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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 29, 2019 21:42:40 GMT
Let me get this right: Ken Clarke, who has been a member of parliament for the Conservative Party for the last 50 years is now the voice of sound reason? A clear case of confusing Brexit with political leanings Yes interesting to hear what a Conservative big beast spanning two generations thinks of what the Fat Dictator and Top Hat & Baker have done to his party isn't it? So they were OK before, Sheiky? 😜
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Post by serpico on Aug 29, 2019 21:49:10 GMT
“Seized control” is a bit dramatic, makes it sound like a military junta has come to power.
And is “right wing English nationalist” supposed to be an insult ? There’s nothing inherently wrong with being right wing or a nationalist.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 29, 2019 21:53:11 GMT
“Seized control” is a bit dramatic, makes it sound like a military junta has come to power. And is “right wing English nationalist” supposed to be an insult ? There’s nothing inherently wrong with being right wing or a nationalist. There is on here! 😁
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 21:55:14 GMT
“Seized control” is a bit dramatic, makes it sound like a military junta has come to power. And is “right wing English nationalist” supposed to be an insult ? There’s nothing inherently wrong with being right wing or a nationalist. Are just referring to having pride in your own country but not the negative connotations that traditionally come with use of the word “nationalist” regarding the detriment of other countries - I assume you’re proud to be British but aren’t planning on invading Czechoslovakia to further British interests?
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 29, 2019 21:56:14 GMT
Let me get this right: Ken Clarke, who has been a member of parliament for the Conservative Party for the last 50 years is now the voice of sound reason? A clear case of confusing Brexit with political leanings Yes interesting to hear what a Conservative big beast spanning two generations thinks of what the Fat Dictator and Top Hat & Baker have done to his party isn't it? It's not about party politics though is it? I watched Channel4 News last night and the Rochdale MP, Tony LLoyd was a speaker on the programme and he was apoplectic at what Johnson had done. Rochdale voted by 60% to leave the EU. The sheer fucking audacity of MP's on both sides is breath taking. I don't trust Johnson one iota but at the very least he is appearing to try and honour the referendum vote.
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Post by foster on Aug 29, 2019 21:57:53 GMT
“Seized control” is a bit dramatic, makes it sound like a military junta has come to power. And is “right wing English nationalist” supposed to be an insult ? There’s nothing inherently wrong with being right wing or a nationalist. There is on here! 😁 Nothing wrong with a being proud of your country, but some on here have said that the likes of Tommy R aren't racist, which to be fair, is ludicrous. There are some in this thread that are clearly racist, but don't have the balls to admit it.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 29, 2019 21:58:58 GMT
Nothing wrong with a being proud of your country, but some on here have said that the likes of Tommy R aren't racist, which to be fair, is ludicrous. There are some in this thread that are clearly racist, but don't have the balls to admit it. Name names.
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 29, 2019 22:00:34 GMT
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Post by foster on Aug 29, 2019 22:00:37 GMT
Nothing wrong with a being proud of your country, but some on here have said that the likes of Tommy R aren't racist, which to be fair, is ludicrous. There are some in this thread that are clearly racist, but don't have the balls to admit it. Name names. You're not one of them. But I don't think it's hard to figure out. You just need to look at the kind of people they seem to idolise.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 29, 2019 22:04:41 GMT
Yes interesting to hear what a Conservative big beast spanning two generations thinks of what the Fat Dictator and Top Hat & Baker have done to his party isn't it? It's not about party politics though is it? I watched Channel4 News last night and the Rochdale MP, Tony LLoyd was a speaker on the programme and he was apoplectic at what Johnson had done. Rochdale voted by 60% to leave the EU. The sheer fucking audacity of MP's on both sides is breath taking. I don't trust Johnson one iota but at the very least he is appearing to try and honour the referendum vote. You can be angry at the government shutting down parliament and still think we should leave the EU, given the result of the referendum in 2016. It's only the more extreme Brexiteers that seem to think the whole country should be behind their idea of Brexit and only their idea of Brexit.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 29, 2019 22:06:33 GMT
Yes interesting to hear what a Conservative big beast spanning two generations thinks of what the Fat Dictator and Top Hat & Baker have done to his party isn't it? So they were OK before, Sheiky? 😜 Oh I don't give two hoots if the Tory Party skewers itself in a lurch to populist, right wing, extremism, mate. Bring on the election I say, they will get hardly a vote from anyone under 45, as the layers come off these swivel eyed right wing dogs!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 22:07:59 GMT
You're not one of them. But I don't think it's hard to figure out. You just need to look at the kind of people they seem to idolise. I’m not too sure that’s always the case. I am the one who actually started this by saying that Tommy Robinson was a racist. The bigger problem here is that you don’t have any other voices calling out some of the things which he is which are, the grooming gangs etc, big issues whether you like it or not. There is no-one else offering a way to solve these issues, to address legitimate arguments like the lack of jobs in some areas and the fact that whether we like to admit it or not there are areas springing up where radical Islam is on the rise. I know a few teachers in our city who have had to confiscate radical materials and have training on female genital mutilation. There are issues which need to be addressed but no-one else is and that is part of the problem. There appears to be no steady heads at the moment actually addressing genuine problems in society and so people will always look for someone to blame.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 22:09:00 GMT
It's not about party politics though is it? I watched Channel4 News last night and the Rochdale MP, Tony LLoyd was a speaker on the programme and he was apoplectic at what Johnson had done. Rochdale voted by 60% to leave the EU. The sheer fucking audacity of MP's on both sides is breath taking. I don't trust Johnson one iota but at the very least he is appearing to try and honour the referendum vote. You can be angry at the government shutting down parliament and still think we should leave the EU, given the result of the referendum in 2016. It's only the more extreme Brexiteers that seem to think the whole country should be behind their idea of Brexit and only their idea of Brexit. I’ve just seen a tweet saying the Remainers cheated to get a free kick and are now upset that the Brexiteers cheated to get a penalty. It’s an excellent analogy! I think the whole way this has been conducted is a farce!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 29, 2019 22:10:18 GMT
You're not one of them. But I don't think it's hard to figure out. You just need to look at the kind of people they seem to idolise. I thought you were directing it at me, mate. I am a paranoid fucker, at times. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 29, 2019 22:13:51 GMT
It's not about party politics though is it? I watched Channel4 News last night and the Rochdale MP, Tony LLoyd was a speaker on the programme and he was apoplectic at what Johnson had done. Rochdale voted by 60% to leave the EU. The sheer fucking audacity of MP's on both sides is breath taking. I don't trust Johnson one iota but at the very least he is appearing to try and honour the referendum vote. You can be angry at the government shutting down parliament and still think we should leave the EU, given the result of the referendum in 2016. It's only the more extreme Brexiteers that seem to think the whole country should be behind their idea of Brexit and only their idea of Brexit. Parliament is being shut down for 6 days more than usual. Parliament has been discussing Brexit for 3 years now and are nowhere near coming to any sort of agreement so the likelihood of it happening within 6 days is absolutely zero. Knicker wetting at it's absolute best to suggest it's an affront to democracy, these fuckers would discuss Brexit for the next 50 years if given the opportunity.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 29, 2019 22:19:54 GMT
It's not about party politics though is it? I watched Channel4 News last night and the Rochdale MP, Tony LLoyd was a speaker on the programme and he was apoplectic at what Johnson had done. Rochdale voted by 60% to leave the EU. The sheer fucking audacity of MP's on both sides is breath taking. I don't trust Johnson one iota but at the very least he is appearing to try and honour the referendum vote. You can be angry at the government shutting down parliament and still think we should leave the EU, given the result of the referendum in 2016. It's only the more extreme Brexiteers that seem to think the whole country should be behind their idea of Brexit and only their idea of Brexit. Nige seems to think that Boris is going to tweak the WA and come back to parliament with it, and this is a bit of a con. I wouldn't be surprised, and think TDC suggested similar, earlier in the thread. Begs the question what kind of Brexit would be acceptable to Brexiteers both in Parliament and in the public?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 29, 2019 22:20:42 GMT
You can be angry at the government shutting down parliament and still think we should leave the EU, given the result of the referendum in 2016. It's only the more extreme Brexiteers that seem to think the whole country should be behind their idea of Brexit and only their idea of Brexit. Parliament is being shut down for 6 days more than usual. Parliament has been discussing Brexit for 3 years now and are nowhere near coming to any sort of agreement so the likelihood of it happening within 6 days is absolutely zero. Knicker wetting at it's absolute best to suggest it's an affront to democracy, these fuckers would discuss Brexit for the next 50 years if given the opportunity. How many days have they had to discuss Boris Johnson's Brexit plans?
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 29, 2019 22:23:22 GMT
You can be angry at the government shutting down parliament and still think we should leave the EU, given the result of the referendum in 2016. It's only the more extreme Brexiteers that seem to think the whole country should be behind their idea of Brexit and only their idea of Brexit. Nige seems to think that Boris is going to tweak the WA and come back to parliament with it, and this is a bit of a con. I wouldn't be surprised, and think TDC suggested similar, earlier in the thread. Begs the question what kind of Brexit would be acceptable to Brexiteers both in Parliament and in the public? I genuinely think it's come to the point of No Deal or Remain. A bit like the question on the original ballot paper
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 29, 2019 22:24:36 GMT
Parliament is being shut down for 6 days more than usual. Parliament has been discussing Brexit for 3 years now and are nowhere near coming to any sort of agreement so the likelihood of it happening within 6 days is absolutely zero. Knicker wetting at it's absolute best to suggest it's an affront to democracy, these fuckers would discuss Brexit for the next 50 years if given the opportunity. How many days have they had to discuss Boris Johnson's Brexit plans? Are you suggesting another 3 years of negotiations?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 29, 2019 22:27:09 GMT
You can be angry at the government shutting down parliament and still think we should leave the EU, given the result of the referendum in 2016. It's only the more extreme Brexiteers that seem to think the whole country should be behind their idea of Brexit and only their idea of Brexit. I’ve just seen a tweet saying the Remainers cheated to get a free kick and are now upset that the Brexiteers cheated to get a penalty. It’s an excellent analogy! I think the whole way this has been conducted is a farce! I think the Remainers and Leavers were in the refs ear all game long trying to get a penalty. Eventually the Leavers won one and were disgusted that the Remainer goalkeeper would try and save the penalty and not just let it in. We're still waiting for the penalty to be taken, but if the Leaver misses it then it will definitely be the Remainer's fault for having the audacity to save it. If he scores, then the Leaver will be taking all the credit, naturally.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 29, 2019 22:27:58 GMT
How many days have they had to discuss Boris Johnson's Brexit plans? Are you suggesting another 3 years of negotiations? No, I'm asking how many days Parliament has had to scrutinise Boris Johnson's Brexit plans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 22:29:05 GMT
I’ve just seen a tweet saying the Remainers cheated to get a free kick and are now upset that the Brexiteers cheated to get a penalty. It’s an excellent analogy! I think the whole way this has been conducted is a farce! I think the Remainers and Leavers were in the refs ear all game long trying to get a penalty. Eventually the Leavers won one and were disgusted that the Remainer goalkeeper would try and save the penalty and not just let it in. We're still waiting for the penalty to be taken, but if the Leaver misses it then it will definitely be the Remainer's fault for having the audacity to save it. If he scores, then the Leaver will be taking all the credit, naturally. Bloody hell mate. It’s going to take me a while to unpick that!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 29, 2019 22:30:56 GMT
I think the Remainers and Leavers were in the refs ear all game long trying to get a penalty. Eventually the Leavers won one and were disgusted that the Remainer goalkeeper would try and save the penalty and not just let it in. We're still waiting for the penalty to be taken, but if the Leaver misses it then it will definitely be the Remainer's fault for having the audacity to save it. If he scores, then the Leaver will be taking all the credit, naturally. Bloody hell mate. It’s going to take me a while to unpick that! It's like an explanation of Nath's subs! 😁
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 22:33:02 GMT
Bloody hell mate. It’s going to take me a while to unpick that! It's like an explanation of Nath's subs! 😁 I’m not going there mate. I’ve come down here because there’s less sensitive lunatics down here than up there and more people wanting to have a debate or discussion - that’s saying something 😂.
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Post by foster on Aug 29, 2019 22:34:31 GMT
I think the Remainers and Leavers were in the refs ear all game long trying to get a penalty. Eventually the Leavers won one and were disgusted that the Remainer goalkeeper would try and save the penalty and not just let it in. We're still waiting for the penalty to be taken, but if the Leaver misses it then it will definitely be the Remainer's fault for having the audacity to save it. If he scores, then the Leaver will be taking all the credit, naturally. Bloody hell mate. It’s going to take me a while to unpick that! The ref should have used VAR instead of being influenced by the players.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 22:35:51 GMT
Bloody hell mate. It’s going to take me a while to unpick that! The ref should have used VAR instead of being influenced by the players. Both teams should have had an actual game plan before requesting the match and having to resort to cheating?
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 29, 2019 22:39:22 GMT
Are you suggesting another 3 years of negotiations? No, I'm asking how many days Parliament has had to scrutinise Boris Johnson's Brexit plans. Parliament has had 3 readings of various Withdrawal agreements in the last 3 years that have been comprehensively been defeated. I don't think any anyone would suggest that an agreement could be reached in 6 days or 6 months or 6 years. Time for a leader of the country to lead for a change.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 29, 2019 22:48:13 GMT
No, I'm asking how many days Parliament has had to scrutinise Boris Johnson's Brexit plans. Parliament has had 3 readings of various Withdrawal agreements in the last 3 years that have been comprehensively been defeated. I don't think any anyone would suggest that an agreement could be reached in 6 days or 6 months or 6 years. Time for a leader of the country to lead for a change. So you're happy for a Prime Minister to make a huge decision with next to no scrutiny from Parliament? Imagine if it was Corbyn doing it to nationalise the railways.
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Post by musik on Aug 29, 2019 22:55:39 GMT
What kind of politician is Boris Johnson?
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 29, 2019 23:01:08 GMT
Parliament has had 3 readings of various Withdrawal agreements in the last 3 years that have been comprehensively been defeated. I don't think any anyone would suggest that an agreement could be reached in 6 days or 6 months or 6 years. Time for a leader of the country to lead for a change. So you're happy for a Prime Minister to make a huge decision with next to no scrutiny from Parliament? Imagine if it was Corbyn doing it to nationalise the railways. He's not making a huge decision, the huge decision has been made by the electorate.
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