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Post by crapslinger on Mar 20, 2019 21:21:47 GMT
Chuka shouldn’t have been there. He’s not the leader of any party. He should have stood for re-election when he left the Labour Party. I don’t blame him for walking out. Democracy in the country is a farce. I don’t think for a second she hasn’t brought him there on purpose. This is a bit more than “someone he doesn’t like”. They are making a mockery of the whole democratic system right now. Seriously. You think this is acceptable behaviour for a responsible politician He's hardly a responsible politician
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 21:22:16 GMT
Chuka shouldn’t have been there. He’s not the leader of any party. He should have stood for re-election when he left the Labour Party. I don’t blame him for walking out. Democracy in the country is a farce. I don’t think for a second she hasn’t brought him there on purpose. This is a bit more than “someone he doesn’t like”. They are making a mockery of the whole democratic system right now. Seriously. You think this is acceptable behaviour for a responsible politician Yes. They are making an absolute mockery of the system. She wouldn’t have had one of the Tory defectors there not a chance. He had no right to be there. He shouldn’t even be an MP unless he stands and wins a re-election.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 20, 2019 21:24:29 GMT
So in the midst of the biggest crisis for 50 years Jeremy decides he’s not going to a meeting because someone he doesn’t like is there Just when you think politicians couldn’t possibly be more stupid he shows that they can Chuka shouldn’t have been there. He’s not the leader of any party. He should have stood for re-election when he left the Labour Party. I don’t blame him for walking out. Democracy in the country is a farce. I don’t think for a second she hasn’t brought him there on purpose. This is a bit more than “someone he doesn’t like”. They are making a mockery of the whole democratic system right now. "Democracy in the country is a farce" no shit Sherlock
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 20, 2019 21:26:45 GMT
Seriously. You think this is acceptable behaviour for a responsible politician Yes. They are making an absolute mockery of the system. She wouldn’t have had one of the Tory defectors there not a chance. He had no right to be there. He shouldn’t even be an MP unless he stands and wins a re-election. The system that is collaborating to betray the will of the people you mean you are funny please carry on.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 20, 2019 21:43:42 GMT
What is the democratic process/ system by which Barnier/ Tusk were able to agree to an extension of A50.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 21:44:45 GMT
Yes. They are making an absolute mockery of the system. She wouldn’t have had one of the Tory defectors there not a chance. He had no right to be there. He shouldn’t even be an MP unless he stands and wins a re-election. The system that is collaborating to betray the will of the people you mean you are funny please carry on. Well this is part of it as well isn’t it. Not on the same scale but if I’d voted for an MP and they decided to change party id be fuming. Just like on a bigger scale a lot of people are fuming that the referendum has been betrayed. We’re not at odds here 😂 we both think the system is a joke!
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Post by Gods on Mar 20, 2019 21:48:56 GMT
According to this weeks Sunday Times: "Latest YouGov polling suggests that the public would vote 61%-39% to remain rather than leaving with the May deal and 57%-43% to remain rather than leaving with no deal" Do you have a link to the Mori poll to which you refer, I can't find it on-line? God's , I know that you are sincere in what you are staying, but for me there is a simple parallel scenario going on. Out of the blue the British public were asked if they wanted to be in or out of the EU, and it was made clear what being " out" meant ( in fact it was used as a threat to scare us into staying in). We were promised that it was our decision, the final decision. " We will implement what you decide" " no second Referendum". The government wrote to each of us to explain this. There was no mention of a deal. People voted in enormous unprecedented numbers( and this included academics, trade unionists business people.....but MORE IMPORTANTLY IT INCLUDED THE IGNORED, THE DISENFRANCHISED, THE WORKING CLAS, THE PATRIOTS) They decided that they did not want to be in the EU. Ever since There has been a collusion of those who can't accept the decision, those who didn't understand the issue...Ever Closer Political union, the EU, the Political class...to undermine the decision. It is important for a people to have identity, to connect with their country. We will never relate to the dictatorial , remote, self interested, anti democratic control of Brussels. To simply ignore and deny the beliefs, the trust , the rights of the ordinary citizen sets us back centuries in terms of sovereignty and democracy. Slaves had economic certainty and security. The way in which Brexit has been handled is a disgrace and fundamental to our future as a coherent people. You either respect democracy and fellow citizens or you do not. Stirring stuff but I'm not sure how any of that relates to the above YouGov poll, which I shared to contrast with the "71% pro-Brexit Mori" poll which Pearo reported but sadly it transpires he simply made it up. Of course that didn't stop a whole plethora of Brexit supporters on here jumping on it like it were fact. Not hard to see how the public are so easily hoodwinked by the complete tosh reported and often regurgitated on here from all these far right alt-news channels popping up left, right and centre. Disturbing times.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 20, 2019 21:55:46 GMT
God's , I know that you are sincere in what you are staying, but for me there is a simple parallel scenario going on. Out of the blue the British public were asked if they wanted to be in or out of the EU, and it was made clear what being " out" meant ( in fact it was used as a threat to scare us into staying in). We were promised that it was our decision, the final decision. " We will implement what you decide" " no second Referendum". The government wrote to each of us to explain this. There was no mention of a deal. People voted in enormous unprecedented numbers( and this included academics, trade unionists business people.....but MORE IMPORTANTLY IT INCLUDED THE IGNORED, THE DISENFRANCHISED, THE WORKING CLAS, THE PATRIOTS) They decided that they did not want to be in the EU. Ever since There has been a collusion of those who can't accept the decision, those who didn't understand the issue...Ever Closer Political union, the EU, the Political class...to undermine the decision. It is important for a people to have identity, to connect with their country. We will never relate to the dictatorial , remote, self interested, anti democratic control of Brussels. To simply ignore and deny the beliefs, the trust , the rights of the ordinary citizen sets us back centuries in terms of sovereignty and democracy. Slaves had economic certainty and security. The way in which Brexit has been handled is a disgrace and fundamental to our future as a coherent people. You either respect democracy and fellow citizens or you do not. Stirring stuff but I'm not sure how any of that relates to the above YouGov poll, which I shared to contrast with the "71% pro-Brexit Mori" poll which Pearo reported but sadly it transpires he simply made it up. Of course that didn't stop a whole plethora of Brexit supporters on here jumping on it like it were fact. Not hard to see how the public are so easily hoodwinked by the complete tosh reported and often regurgitated on here from all these far right alt-news channels popping up left, right and centre. Disturbing times. Perhaps the public haven't been hoodwinked, perhaps they simply believe in democracy and sovereignty. I was in favour of leaving the EU for over 10 years before the referendum was offered. Most of us have never actually been asked before about Ever Closer Union...it's in all the treaties. It's simple really.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 20, 2019 21:56:07 GMT
All in all, she's not very good at telling the truth
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 22:05:22 GMT
So in the midst of the biggest crisis for 50 years Jeremy decides he’s not going to a meeting because someone he doesn’t like is there Just when you think politicians couldn’t possibly be more stupid he shows that they can Chuka shouldn’t have been there. He’s not the leader of any party. He should have stood for re-election when he left the Labour Party. I don’t blame him for walking out. Democracy in the country is a farce. I don’t think for a second she hasn’t brought him there on purpose. This is a bit more than “someone he doesn’t like”. They are making a mockery of the whole democratic system right now. What a load of fucking shite. They should have as many voices from parliament as possible, inclusion is not making a mockery of the democratic system. Corbyn's sinking to May's level doing this, it's very 'bigger than Brexit' of him to do, he's the Clattenburg of politicians. Whole thing's about him. Fuck him, Chuka seems a stand up bloke and politician for me.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 20, 2019 22:06:29 GMT
I’d agree it’s not the best deal but it’s probably better than no deal. And if you think the EU fuck us about now how badly fucked will we get if we have to crawl back and beg to stay in !!!
Exactly and yet some people would accept this. What the fuck happened to this country? What happened is 52% of the voters want out of the EU and 48% want to stay. On the back of a stupid in/out referendum. A slender majority on a one off referendum that has massive ramifications. People and politicians will not have chance to vote again in four years.. This is for keeps. Nearly 50 years of trade, business and agreements washed down the pan ....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 22:08:53 GMT
Exactly and yet some people would accept this. What the fuck happened to this country? On the back of a stupid in/out referendum. I strongly feel that had the referendum resulted in a "Remain" decision - it wouldn't have been "stupid".
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 20, 2019 22:09:13 GMT
All in all, she's not very good at telling the truth She really is the worst politician at the most important time in recent history. An establishment stitch up sounds ridiculous.................doesn't it?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 20, 2019 22:09:28 GMT
Basically Orban has been banned because he opposed Soros's and EUs immigration policy " flooding Europe with migrants"..... apparently this is not an acceptable point of view, although in my opinion, most European citizens seem to support it. Europe’s Christian Democrats froze the membership of Orban’s Fidesz party in response to the Hungarian leader’s erosion of democratic standards, opposition to immigration and criticism of EU institutions and personalities. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-20/hungary-s-orban-suspended-from-eu-s-biggest-political-family
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 20, 2019 22:16:06 GMT
My Brother in Law works for Mori and he says that the work that they have carried out over the last three months has seen the Leave vote rise from 54% to 71%. None of these polls have been published in the public arena, he doesn’t know why, he only correlates the information. He is an avid Remainer and has been astonished by the results obtained recently. I'm surprised they haven't published it. It would be a real exclusive, given that most other polls have shown somewhere between a slight and healthy lead for Remain.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 22:20:17 GMT
My Brother in Law works for Mori and he says that the work that they have carried out over the last three months has seen the Leave vote rise from 54% to 71%. None of these polls have been published in the public arena, he doesn’t know why, he only correlates the information. He is an avid Remainer and has been astonished by the results obtained recently. I'm surprised they haven't published it. It would be a real exclusive, given that most other polls have shown somewhere between a slight and healthy lead for Remain. It would make a fantastic headline for any paper "I know a bloke whose BIL works for Mori, and reckons that the Leave vote would amount to 71%%"
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 20, 2019 22:24:37 GMT
My Brother in Law works for Mori and he says that the work that they have carried out over the last three months has seen the Leave vote rise from 54% to 71%. None of these polls have been published in the public arena, he doesn’t know why, he only correlates the information. He is an avid Remainer and has been astonished by the results obtained recently. I'm surprised they haven't published it. It would be a real exclusive, given that most other polls have shown somewhere between a slight and healthy lead for Remain. For a second referendum that has been taken off the table ? we had a referendum 41 years ago voters accepted that decision, the remoaners will have their say again in theory in another 41 years it was a democratic vote then it was a democratic vote in 2016 ! what is the difference maybe it is down to the snowflakes many of whom could not even be bothered to vote, well that is the way it goes in life you win some you lose some you lost this time you might win next time duck
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 20, 2019 22:29:01 GMT
Basically Orban has been banned because he opposed Soros's and EUs immigration policy " flooding Europe with migrants"..... apparently this is not an acceptable point of view, although in my opinion, most European citizens seem to support it. Europe’s Christian Democrats froze the membership of Orban’s Fidesz party in response to the Hungarian leader’s erosion of democratic standards, opposition to immigration and criticism of EU institutions and personalities. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-20/hungary-s-orban-suspended-from-eu-s-biggest-political-familyHe's not been banned has he? He's been chucked out of his 'group' in the EU Parliament - which is the decision of the democratically-elected Christian Democrats.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 22:29:38 GMT
Chuka shouldn’t have been there. He’s not the leader of any party. He should have stood for re-election when he left the Labour Party. I don’t blame him for walking out. Democracy in the country is a farce. I don’t think for a second she hasn’t brought him there on purpose. This is a bit more than “someone he doesn’t like”. They are making a mockery of the whole democratic system right now. What a load of fucking shite. They should have as many voices from parliament as possible, inclusion is not making a mockery of the democratic system. Corbyn's sinking to May's level doing this, it's very 'bigger than Brexit' of him to do, he's the Clattenburg of politicians. Whole thing's about him. Fuck him, Chuka seems a stand up bloke and politician for me. He wasn’t elected as a member of the Independant Group so why is he still an MP. Just because you like him doesn’t make it right. As for being a stand up bloke and politician then everyone has their own views but given the Independant Group has been deliberately set up as a limited company and they are refusing to reveal their donors they don’t seem very stand up anything to me. Similarly if they were stand up politicians why would they refuse to stand for re-election. As I said they are just my own views but I don’t think just because you like their ideas it makes what they have done right. You could easily have your MP now going to join a group you don’t like or disagree with. It shouldn’t be allowed unless they are re-elected on what they have now decided they stand for.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 20, 2019 22:33:54 GMT
I'm surprised they haven't published it. It would be a real exclusive, given that most other polls have shown somewhere between a slight and healthy lead for Remain. For a second referendum that has been taken off the table ? we had a referendum 41 years ago voters accepted that decision, the remoaners will have their say again in theory in another 41 years it was a democratic vote then it was a democratic vote in 2016 ! what is the difference maybe it is down to the snowflakes many of whom could not even be bothered to vote, well that is the way it goes in life you win some you lose some you lost this time you might win next time duck Yeah, that's the one. The good thing about polls is you can ask anything - they are still polling to see public support for May's WA which has been taken off the table twice. They're also polling to see opinions on no deal, which was also supposedly ruled out by parliament.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 22:35:18 GMT
What a load of fucking shite. They should have as many voices from parliament as possible, inclusion is not making a mockery of the democratic system. Corbyn's sinking to May's level doing this, it's very 'bigger than Brexit' of him to do, he's the Clattenburg of politicians. Whole thing's about him. Fuck him, Chuka seems a stand up bloke and politician for me. He wasn’t elected as a member of the Independant Group so why is he still an MP. Just because you like him doesn’t make it right. As for being a stand up bloke and politician then everyone has their own views but given the Independant Group has been deliberately set up as a limited company and they are refusing to reveal their donors they don’t seem very stand up anything to me. Similarly if they were stand up politicians why would they refuse to stand for re-election. As I said they are just my own views but I don’t think just because you like their ideas it makes what they have done right. You could easily have your MP now going to join a group you don’t like or disagree with. It shouldn’t be allowed unless they are re-elected on what they have now decided they stand for. Maybe Corbyn should grow a pair and put his views aside for the good of the country? Tell me how what he did today helps anything? Because there are very obvious ways they're detrimental.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 22:45:47 GMT
He wasn’t elected as a member of the Independant Group so why is he still an MP. Just because you like him doesn’t make it right. As for being a stand up bloke and politician then everyone has their own views but given the Independant Group has been deliberately set up as a limited company and they are refusing to reveal their donors they don’t seem very stand up anything to me. Similarly if they were stand up politicians why would they refuse to stand for re-election. As I said they are just my own views but I don’t think just because you like their ideas it makes what they have done right. You could easily have your MP now going to join a group you don’t like or disagree with. It shouldn’t be allowed unless they are re-elected on what they have now decided they stand for. Maybe Corbyn should grow a pair and put his views aside for the good of the country? Tell me how what he did today helps anything? Because there are very obvious ways they're detrimental. Yes this mess has been caused because Corbyn walked out of a pointless meeting where all Theresa May is doing is trying to force her awful deal to leave which isn’t even a deal to leave down everyone’s throats. Of course he’s the problem and not her. Funny that it was Chuka that went not one of the Tory defectors. I can’t imagine she would have had one of them there. He shouldn’t have been there. She knows it. She knew what she was doing. For the record, I don’t think any of them are coming out of this well. But I think the media jumping on that is a complete joke after the absolute disaster Theresa May and the Tories have caused with this. I was also just making the point that their was a reason other than the fact it was “someone he didn’t like” which I think is a very valid point. And just expressing my views that I was glad he did it. Just like I am glad the Attorney General and the Speaker have done what is right and stood up for something as well.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 20, 2019 23:18:32 GMT
Basically Orban has been banned because he opposed Soros's and EUs immigration policy " flooding Europe with migrants"..... apparently this is not an acceptable point of view, although in my opinion, most European citizens seem to support it. Europe’s Christian Democrats froze the membership of Orban’s Fidesz party in response to the Hungarian leader’s erosion of democratic standards, opposition to immigration and criticism of EU institutions and personalities. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-20/hungary-s-orban-suspended-from-eu-s-biggest-political-familyHe's not been banned has he? He's been chucked out of his 'group' in the EU Parliament - which is the decision of the democratically-elected Christian Democrats. Correct
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 21, 2019 0:37:56 GMT
I've been out tonight and just seen that suicide note (a totally undemocratic one at that) on live television from the most despicable and incompetent idiot in post war history.
Shame on her and shame on all Tory supporting fucking idiots.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 5:40:46 GMT
I remember all the polls telling us remain would win in 2016 I remember the times always suggesting the world would end if we voted leave
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 21, 2019 6:50:23 GMT
All in all, she's not very good at telling the truth She’s a Brexit revisionist. A Brexit denier, but worse of all she’s a bully & a coward. She’s got history, but no doubt she’d revise that...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 21, 2019 7:13:56 GMT
So ( sorry Harry!)..if you voted for Brexit, which I interprete as expressing your view that you would prefer not to be in the EU, you are " our enemy" ... Presumably the EU's enemy....How does that work? It suggests that there is only one possible direction that is unquestionably correct and any different view is not only wrong but should be defeated .... onwards with Ever Closer Union.
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Post by 4372 on Mar 21, 2019 7:35:54 GMT
I remember all the polls telling us remain would win in 2016 I remember the times always suggesting the world would end if we voted leave I remember being told that the Brexit negotiations would be the easiest negotiations in History. I remember being told that the Conservatives were the party of competence in Government I remember being told that the EU "needed us more than we needed them" I remember being told that a 52:48 split would mean this issue would be unresolved
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 7:36:02 GMT
I find it incredible, but totally expected, that all these shysters otherwise known as M.P.'s have got the sheer nerve and temerity to put all the blame for the current situation firmly at the door of Theresa May. I fully agree that she has been an absolute disaster and her handling of Brexit has been abysmal, but these shysters are now trying to completely exonerate themselves from any blame whatsoever. They seem to forget that all their games and shenanigans have been fully on view on BBC Parliament since the Brexit debate began.
They are now in full self preservation mode with their slippery, slimy attitude. Barry Gardiner was just on BBC saying May should take full responsibility and show "humility" for the mess - something M.P.'s in general have forgotten.
The whole lot of them need ousting and replacing at the next general election.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 21, 2019 7:38:34 GMT
I remember all the polls telling us remain would win in 2016 I remember the times always suggesting the world would end if we voted leave I remember being told that the Brexit negotiations would be the easiest negotiations in History. I remember being told that the Conservatives were the party of competence in Government I remember being told that the EU "needed us more than we needed them" I remember being told that a 52:48 split would mean this issue would be unresolved I remember us voting to leave the EU on the 29th March 2019 in June 2016
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