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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 19:57:31 GMT
Whilst there is very little political will to leave the EU, the latest figures obtained by Mori show 71% of the population want to leave. That would be an astonishing figure. Let's have a second referendum then, should be a smash result for Leave, problem solved.... Or it's just a poll. If Brexit is such a bad idea, why would Brexit smashing it in a poll make it a better one?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 19:58:54 GMT
Whilst there is very little political will to leave the EU, the latest figures obtained by Mori show 71% of the population want to leave. According to this weeks Sunday Times: "Latest YouGov polling suggests that the public would vote 61%-39% to remain rather than leaving with the May deal and 57%-43% to remain rather than leaving with no deal" Which was the idea all along. A free trade deal was declined.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 20, 2019 19:59:14 GMT
There's very little political will to leave the EU, that much is certain. The Government should now show some bollocks and revoke Article 50. They'll just have to deal with the shitstorm that will follow. Whilst there is very little political will to leave the EU, the latest figures obtained by Mori show 71% of the population want to leave. Is it this one: www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/public-concern-about-brexit-rises-further-still-hitting-new-record-levelBecause that's 71% of people think Brexit is the nation's biggest issue at the moment. That's a far cry from 71% of people wanting to leave. Apologies if it's not that poll - it's the only Ipsos Mori poll I could find that returned 71% on an issue about Brexit.
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Post by ravey123 on Mar 20, 2019 20:00:01 GMT
Pretty sure now she’ll bring it back one more time. If it fails she’ll almost certainly resign This then means a new PM Boris, Gove; Leadsome, Davies. Take your pick. This won’t move the process forward one bit. Almost certainly a general Election will follow and again this won’t move the process one bit either. Probably lead to a minority government. Probably lead to a second referendum which will be around 50/50. FFS take the deal on the table....... The deal on the table is fucking shite though. It is remain with the benefit of putting ourselves in a straightjacket in the middle of a game of dodgeball - not only will we be worse off but we will have not say in how we get fucked by the EU
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 20, 2019 20:01:23 GMT
There is even less will from Business, Academia, the Treasury, Financial Institutions, the Trade Unions, the National Farmers Union you name it, they think its crackers. I really don't know where we go from here. I'd love to see us remain but I can't make a moral case for it following the vote. I think we have to leave in the most remaining and least damaging way we can. We would ultimately recover even if we are picking the bits out of this blasted thing for a couple of decades. What a cluster fuck it is. Clusterfuck doesn't do it justice. Unless we're missing something it's a straight vote next week between MayDeal or No deal. Out in an orderly structured manner with a load of conditions or WTO.. What's your money on? Option 3? Don't know what it is but I just can't see us leaving on the 29th with no deal. Maybe May resigns when her MV3 fails and then Tusk offers a long extension to allow for leadership contest/general election?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 20:01:28 GMT
I see Jezza has walked out of cross party talks because Chuka Umuna turned up.
I can't say I blame him.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 20:02:42 GMT
Pretty sure now she’ll bring it back one more time. If it fails she’ll almost certainly resign This then means a new PM Boris, Gove; Leadsome, Davies. Take your pick. This won’t move the process forward one bit. Almost certainly a general Election will follow and again this won’t move the process one bit either. Probably lead to a minority government. Probably lead to a second referendum which will be around 50/50. FFS take the deal on the table....... The deal on the table is fucking shite though. It is remain with the benefit of putting ourselves in a straightjacket in the middle of a game of dodgeball - not only will we be worse off but we will have not say in how we get fucked by the EU Whereas now we have a token say in how they get to fuck us.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 20, 2019 20:02:43 GMT
I see Jezza has walked out of cross party talks because Chuka Umuna turned up. I can't say I blame him. Racist
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Post by pearo on Mar 20, 2019 20:03:24 GMT
There is even less will from Business, Academia, the Treasury, Financial Institutions, the Trade Unions, the National Farmers Union you name it, they think its crackers. I really don't know where we go from here. I'd love to see us remain but I can't make a moral case for it following the vote. I think we have to leave in the most remaining and least damaging way we can. We would ultimately recover even if we are picking the bits out of this blasted thing for a couple of decades. What a cluster fuck it is. 29 million of the electorate did NOT vote for leave. 34 million of the electorate did NOT vote for a Conservative government but that’s the way democracy works, the one who get the most win. Leave means leave 9 days to go
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 20:03:28 GMT
I see Jezza has walked out of cross party talks because Chuka Umuna turned up. I can't say I blame him. Racist Twatist, surely?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 20, 2019 20:09:55 GMT
There is even less will from Business, Academia, the Treasury, Financial Institutions, the Trade Unions, the National Farmers Union you name it, they think its crackers. I really don't know where we go from here. I'd love to see us remain but I can't make a moral case for it following the vote. I think we have to leave in the most remaining and least damaging way we can. We would ultimately recover even if we are picking the bits out of this blasted thing for a couple of decades. What a cluster fuck it is. 29 million of the electorate did NOT vote for leave. The UK has voted to leave the EU by 52% to 48%. and that was what actually happened, I could give flying fcuk about people who couldn't be bothered to get off their idle arses go to a polling station and stick a cross in a box in the most important vote this country has had for forty years, they didn't bother voting so don't have a say in the result it is that simple.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 20, 2019 20:10:48 GMT
Racist Twatist, surely? Him or chuckup ?
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Post by pearo on Mar 20, 2019 20:10:59 GMT
Whilst there is very little political will to leave the EU, the latest figures obtained by Mori show 71% of the population want to leave. Is it this one: www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/public-concern-about-brexit-rises-further-still-hitting-new-record-levelBecause that's 71% of people think Brexit is the nation's biggest issue at the moment. That's a far cry from 71% of people wanting to leave. Apologies if it's not that poll - it's the only Ipsos Mori poll I could find that returned 71% on an issue about Brexit. My Brother in Law works for Mori and he says that the work that they have carried out over the last three months has seen the Leave vote rise from 54% to 71%. None of these polls have been published in the public arena, he doesn’t know why, he only correlates the information. He is an avid Remainer and has been astonished by the results obtained recently.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 20, 2019 20:11:00 GMT
Clusterfuck doesn't do it justice. Unless we're missing something it's a straight vote next week between MayDeal or No deal. Out in an orderly structured manner with a load of conditions or WTO.. What's your money on? Option 3? Don't know what it is but I just can't see us leaving on the 29th with no deal. Maybe May resigns when her MV3 fails and then Tusk offers a long extension to allow for leadership contest/general election? Yep. Could be. Suppose it depends how shit scared the EU are of leaving without a deal. And if an election is the outcome it could end up with ultra Brexiteer as PM. Think REF2 is out of the frame now. We're going... just How and when.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 20, 2019 20:11:19 GMT
Whilst there is very little political will to leave the EU, the latest figures obtained by Mori show 71% of the population want to leave. That would be an astonishing figure. Let's have a second referendum then, should be a smash result for Leave, problem solved.... Or it's just a poll. At the risk of repeating myself, a second vote wouldn't be a straightforward vote of: Leave no deal or Remain It would be: May's Withdrawal Agreement or Remain. The first option I think Leave really would smash it, the second would be tight and probably a slim majority to remain which pitches us straight back to where we are now. I genuinely wouldn't object to a second referendum with a straight choice of leave no deal or remain.
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Post by 828492 on Mar 20, 2019 20:12:28 GMT
29 million of the electorate did NOT vote for leave. 34 million of the electorate did NOT vote for a Conservative government but that’s the way democracy works, the one who get the most win. Leave means leave 9 days to go Parliamentary elections are held on the first past the post constituency basis. The Cameron referendum was a simple majority basis. It should have been a majority of the electorate, not of the voters. You would not change the rules of any society with such a vote.
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Post by ravey123 on Mar 20, 2019 20:14:43 GMT
29 million of the electorate did NOT vote for leave. The UK has voted to leave the EU by 52% to 48%. and that was what actually happened, I could give flying fcuk about people who couldn't be bothered to get off their idle arses go to a polling station and stick a cross in a box in the most important vote this country has had for forty years, they didn't bother voting so don't have a say in the result it is that simple. Our democracy works on first past the post. If we used first past the post for the referendum 64% of constituencies voted leave with 36% of constituencies voting remain
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 20, 2019 20:19:52 GMT
34 million of the electorate did NOT vote for a Conservative government but that’s the way democracy works, the one who get the most win. Leave means leave 9 days to go Parliamentary elections are held on the first past the post constituency basis. The Cameron referendum was a simple majority basis. It should have been a majority of the electorate, not of the voters. You would not change the rules of any society with such a vote. Cake and eat it you lost get over it FFS, you will get your way anyway by the backdoor, the elite have made that clear, it amazes me how many remoaners are revelling in the death of democracy in this country, what goes around comes around.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 20, 2019 20:24:40 GMT
Whilst there is very little political will to leave the EU, the latest figures obtained by Mori show 71% of the population want to leave. According to this weeks Sunday Times: "Latest YouGov polling suggests that the public would vote 61%-39% to remain rather than leaving with the May deal and 57%-43% to remain rather than leaving with no deal" Do you have a link to the Mori poll to which you refer, I can't find it on-line? God's , I know that you are sincere in what you are staying, but for me there is a simple parallel scenario going on. Out of the blue the British public were asked if they wanted to be in or out of the EU, and it was made clear what being " out" meant ( in fact it was used as a threat to scare us into staying in). We were promised that it was our decision, the final decision. " We will implement what you decide" " no second Referendum". The government wrote to each of us to explain this. There was no mention of a deal. People voted in enormous unprecedented numbers( and this included academics, trade unionists business people.....but MORE IMPORTANTLY IT INCLUDED THE IGNORED, THE DISENFRANCHISED, THE WORKING CLAS, THE PATRIOTS) They decided that they did not want to be in the EU. Ever since There has been a collusion of those who can't accept the decision, those who didn't understand the issue...Ever Closer Political union, the EU, the Political class...to undermine the decision. It is important for a people to have identity, to connect with their country. We will never relate to the dictatorial , remote, self interested, anti democratic control of Brussels. To simply ignore and deny the beliefs, the trust , the rights of the ordinary citizen sets us back centuries in terms of sovereignty and democracy. Slaves had economic certainty and security. The way in which Brexit has been handled is a disgrace and fundamental to our future as a coherent people. You either respect democracy and fellow citizens or you do not.
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Post by chad on Mar 20, 2019 20:31:33 GMT
Pretty sure now she’ll bring it back one more time. If it fails she’ll almost certainly resign This then means a new PM Boris, Gove; Leadsome, Davies. Take your pick. This won’t move the process forward one bit. Almost certainly a general Election will follow and again this won’t move the process one bit either. Probably lead to a minority government. Probably lead to a second referendum which will be around 50/50. FFS take the deal on the table....... The deal on the table is fucking shite though. It is remain with the benefit of putting ourselves in a straightjacket in the middle of a game of dodgeball - not only will we be worse off but we will have not say in how we get fucked by the EU I’d agree it’s not the best deal but it’s probably better than no deal. And if you think the EU fuck us about now how badly fucked will we get if we have to crawl back and beg to stay in !!!
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 20, 2019 20:34:50 GMT
The deal on the table is fucking shite though. It is remain with the benefit of putting ourselves in a straightjacket in the middle of a game of dodgeball - not only will we be worse off but we will have not say in how we get fucked by the EU I’d agree it’s not the best deal but it’s probably better than no deal. And if you think the EU fuck us about now how badly fucked will we get if we have to crawl back and beg to stay in !!!
Exactly and yet some people would accept this. What the fuck happened to this country?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 20, 2019 20:39:26 GMT
I’d agree it’s not the best deal but it’s probably better than no deal. And if you think the EU fuck us about now how badly fucked will we get if we have to crawl back and beg to stay in !!!
Exactly and yet some people would accept this. What the fuck happened to this country? I think that you have hit the nail on the head there Numpty. Because of our leaders and complaincency we have become impotent...... absorbed into a Germanic (- French) Europe. Well done our leaders.
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Post by chad on Mar 20, 2019 20:41:51 GMT
So in the midst of the biggest crisis for 50 years Jeremy decides he’s not going to a meeting because someone he doesn’t like is there
Just when you think politicians couldn’t possibly be more stupid he shows that they can
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Post by Mendicant on Mar 20, 2019 20:45:03 GMT
May's Downing Street speech. Platitudes and finger-pointing. The work of a spin doctor. Anyone of us could have written that for her.
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Post by Absolution on Mar 20, 2019 20:50:11 GMT
So in the midst of the biggest crisis for 50 years Jeremy decides he’s not going to a meeting because someone he doesn’t like is there Just when you think politicians couldn’t possibly be more stupid he shows that they can It's bizarre when you think of the people he has no problem with mixing with.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 20, 2019 20:50:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 20:57:19 GMT
So in the midst of the biggest crisis for 50 years Jeremy decides he’s not going to a meeting because someone he doesn’t like is there Just when you think politicians couldn’t possibly be more stupid he shows that they can Chuka shouldn’t have been there. He’s not the leader of any party. He should have stood for re-election when he left the Labour Party. I don’t blame him for walking out. Democracy in the country is a farce. I don’t think for a second she hasn’t brought him there on purpose. This is a bit more than “someone he doesn’t like”. They are making a mockery of the whole democratic system right now.
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Post by chad on Mar 20, 2019 21:04:50 GMT
So in the midst of the biggest crisis for 50 years Jeremy decides he’s not going to a meeting because someone he doesn’t like is there Just when you think politicians couldn’t possibly be more stupid he shows that they can Chuka shouldn’t have been there. He’s not the leader of any party. He should have stood for re-election when he left the Labour Party. I don’t blame him for walking out. Democracy in the country is a farce. I don’t think for a second she hasn’t brought him there on purpose. This is a bit more than “someone he doesn’t like”. They are making a mockery of the whole democratic system right now. Seriously. You think this is acceptable behaviour for a responsible politician
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Post by 4372 on Mar 20, 2019 21:11:57 GMT
God's , I know that you are sincere in what you are staying, but for me there is a simple parallel scenario going on. Out of the blue the British public were asked if they wanted to be in or out of the EU, and it was made clear what being " out" meant ( in fact it was used as a threat to scare us into staying in). We were promised that it was our decision, the final decision. " We will implement what you decide" " no second Referendum". The government wrote to each of us to explain this. There was no mention of a deal. People voted in enormous unprecedented numbers( and this included academics, trade unionists business people.....but MORE IMPORTANTLY IT INCLUDED THE IGNORED, THE DISENFRANCHISED, THE WORKING CLAS, THE PATRIOTS) They decided that they did not want to be in the EU. Ever since There has been a collusion of those who can't accept the decision, those who didn't understand the issue...Ever Closer Political union, the EU, the Political class...to undermine the decision. It is important for a people to have identity, to connect with their country. We will never relate to the dictatorial , remote, self interested, anti democratic control of Brussels. To simply ignore and deny the beliefs, the trust , the rights of the ordinary citizen sets us back centuries in terms of sovereignty and democracy. Slaves had economic certainty and security. The way in which Brexit has been handled is a disgrace and fundamental to our future as a coherent people. You either respect democracy and fellow citizens or you do not. WHO EXACTLY IS DISENFRANCHISED IN 21ST CENTURY BRITAIN Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/269068/brexit?page=620#ixzz5ikToBUpA
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Post by Widget123 on Mar 20, 2019 21:13:37 GMT
Mays speech then was basically an attempt to convince a pack of wild dogs to do her bidding by sticking wasabi paste up their arse holes. The next three months is just going to fly by...
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