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Post by pearo on Mar 20, 2019 14:55:01 GMT
The ballot papers for the Peoples vote have just been printed, the options are
Remain with a deal
Remain with no deal
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 20, 2019 15:36:13 GMT
For Macron, it is decided: it is necessary to stop refining and refuse to the British any postponement of the Brexit , planned on the date of March 29th. This is in any case the position he will express on Thursday at the European Council.
From Le Point, French news agency.
So, if true, no extension. Allez Macron.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 20, 2019 15:42:01 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 20, 2019 15:42:34 GMT
Is the cockroach finally to do the decent thing?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 20, 2019 15:44:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 15:49:56 GMT
Bye bye Theresa.
Don't despair though, you have Phillip's BAE Yemeni murder fund to retire on.......
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Post by salopstick on Mar 20, 2019 16:10:31 GMT
I don't understand May's tactics here. Over the weekend you had several hard Brexiteers like Esther McVey saying that they were finally going to vote for MV3 because they felt they had no choice but to do so, as May was going to request a long extension, which could ultimately lead to no Brexit at all. Indeed the likes of David Davis and Nadine Dorries had already caved by MV2. There are/were rumours that the DUP could come on board by Monday, which would probably drag along Reese-Mogg and a good chunk of the ERG. But now that she has requested a short extension, effectively making it a binary choice of her deal, or no deal at the end of the short extension, she's going to lose all those Tory brexiteers she was winning/bullying over. Surely David Davis (etc.) will now NOT vote for her deal and she's now made it LESS likely that she'll get her WA over the line? I get the feeling parliament reluctantly is coming round to accepting the fact that people are pissed off with democratic votes not being honoured. Almost like they realise they now have an unhappy electorate and a potential GE in the next 18 months.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 20, 2019 16:16:09 GMT
The EU wont discuss any A50 extension tomorrow as May sent in her letter too late! Tusk says any extension dependant on Parliament agree a deal!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 20, 2019 16:16:13 GMT
Tusk has just said that May can have her extension on the proviso that she gets her WA through next week.
What happens if she doesn't, is anyone's guess.
But as I said earlier, you would think the Brexiteers are going to love this.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 20, 2019 16:19:30 GMT
The EU wont discuss any A50 extension tomorrow as May sent in her letter too late! Tusk says any extension dependant on Parliament agree a deal! You would think that if she doesn't, then she'll have to step down. Whether we then leave next Friday with no deal or something else happens (a massive extension?) is anybody's guess.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 20, 2019 16:35:04 GMT
So it’s either leave with no deal next Friday or leave before June 30th with PMs WA.
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Post by Davef on Mar 20, 2019 16:47:58 GMT
There's very little political will to leave the EU, that much is certain.
The Government should now show some bollocks and revoke Article 50.
They'll just have to deal with the shitstorm that will follow.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 20, 2019 17:04:15 GMT
There's very little political will to leave the EU, that much is certain. The Government should now show some bollocks and revoke Article 50. They'll just have to deal with the shitstorm that will follow. Depends what you mean by " Political" Dave? No parliamentary will , but the electorate are part of the system
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 20, 2019 17:12:35 GMT
So it’s either leave with no deal next Friday or leave before June 30th with PMs WA. Or she resigns, the leadership contest leads to a GE, meaning an extension of A50.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 20, 2019 17:17:12 GMT
So it’s either leave with no deal next Friday or leave before June 30th with PMs WA. I agree Lawrie. I think May will try to scare people in voting for her deal because the alternative is no deal....so it partly depends upon the strength of will of the ERG and the Labour party. Interestingly though,as the actual deal itself has not changed ( the consequences of the vote has though) will Bercow allow a vote?...he will probably do so. Also given May's track record ,I wonder if she knew that this was coming..in collusion with the EU and there is somehow now a majority for her deal ( How she would know that , I've no idea)
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Post by Mendicant on Mar 20, 2019 17:25:07 GMT
For people living in Stoke, the hierarchy of government runs thus:
S-o-T City Council Parliament The EU
.. with a little Staffs County Council here and there, like a smattering of monkey dust on the layered sponge cake of calamity.
To be fair, at least the council usually manage to empty your bin.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 20, 2019 18:00:53 GMT
There's very little political will to leave the EU, that much is certain. The Government should now show some bollocks and revoke Article 50. They'll just have to deal with the shitstorm that will follow. I think public will trumps political will
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Post by Gods on Mar 20, 2019 18:06:18 GMT
There's very little political will to leave the EU, that much is certain. The Government should now show some bollocks and revoke Article 50. They'll just have to deal with the shitstorm that will follow. There is even less will from Business, Academia, the Treasury, Financial Institutions, the Trade Unions, the National Farmers Union you name it, they think its crackers. I really don't know where we go from here. I'd love to see us remain but I can't make a moral case for it following the vote. I think we have to leave in the most remaining and least damaging way we can. We would ultimately recover even if we are picking the bits out of this blasted thing for a couple of decades. What a cluster fuck it is.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 20, 2019 18:24:27 GMT
There's very little political will to leave the EU, that much is certain. The Government should now show some bollocks and revoke Article 50. They'll just have to deal with the shitstorm that will follow. Not often but on this occasion I partly agree with you To me it’s going to end up a straight vote leave with no deal or revoke brexit It will be a very close vote but it’s coming to the point where they are going to have to make the choice that they will be judged for the rest of there lives
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 20, 2019 18:30:12 GMT
If by some miracle we don’t get an extension because our EU masters say no, then for the first time I might actually think leaving is not such a good thing. Everything they have done has been entirely in their self interest (pity we didn’t have the same approach) so if they do say no, then I might start to get a little worried.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 18:50:44 GMT
There's very little political will to leave the EU, that much is certain. The Government should now show some bollocks and revoke Article 50. They'll just have to deal with the shitstorm that will follow. So what was the point in the referendum, then? There has never been any will to leave the EU in parliament. We were only supposed to agree with 80% of them. This isn't democracy, it's dictatorship.
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Post by chad on Mar 20, 2019 19:05:02 GMT
Pretty sure now she’ll bring it back one more time. If it fails she’ll almost certainly resign This then means a new PM Boris, Gove; Leadsome, Davies. Take your pick. This won’t move the process forward one bit. Almost certainly a general Election will follow and again this won’t move the process one bit either. Probably lead to a minority government. Probably lead to a second referendum which will be around 50/50. FFS take the deal on the table.......
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 20, 2019 19:08:36 GMT
There's very little political will to leave the EU, that much is certain. The Government should now show some bollocks and revoke Article 50. They'll just have to deal with the shitstorm that will follow. There is even less will from Business, Academia, the Treasury, Financial Institutions, the Trade Unions, the National Farmers Union you name it, they think its crackers. I really don't know where we go from here. I'd love to see us remain but I can't make a moral case for it following the vote. I think we have to leave in the most remaining and least damaging way we can. We would ultimately recover even if we are picking the bits out of this blasted thing for a couple of decades. What a cluster fuck it is. Clusterfuck doesn't do it justice. Unless we're missing something it's a straight vote next week between MayDeal or No deal. Out in an orderly structured manner with a load of conditions or WTO.. What's your money on?
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 20, 2019 19:09:59 GMT
Pretty sure now she’ll bring it back one more time. If it fails she’ll almost certainly resign This then means a new PM Boris, Gove; Leadsome, Davies. Take your pick. This won’t move the process forward one bit. Almost certainly a general Election will follow and again this won’t move the process one bit either. I’ll do it,”Giz the job” Then you’ll be sorryXx
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Post by pearo on Mar 20, 2019 19:21:23 GMT
There's very little political will to leave the EU, that much is certain. The Government should now show some bollocks and revoke Article 50. They'll just have to deal with the shitstorm that will follow. Whilst there is very little political will to leave the EU, the latest figures obtained by Mori show 71% of the population want to leave.
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2019 19:36:54 GMT
There's very little political will to leave the EU, that much is certain. The Government should now show some bollocks and revoke Article 50. They'll just have to deal with the shitstorm that will follow. Whilst there is very little political will to leave the EU, the latest figures obtained by Mori show 71% of the population want to leave. That would be an astonishing figure. Let's have a second referendum then, should be a smash result for Leave, problem solved.... Or it's just a poll.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 20, 2019 19:41:06 GMT
There's very little political will to leave the EU, that much is certain. The Government should now show some bollocks and revoke Article 50. They'll just have to deal with the shitstorm that will follow. Whilst there is very little political will to leave the EU, the latest figures obtained by Mori show 71% of the population want to leave. I'd that's true (which I doubt) then the Brexiteers should rally for REF2 immediately.
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Post by 828492 on Mar 20, 2019 19:50:22 GMT
There's very little political will to leave the EU, that much is certain. The Government should now show some bollocks and revoke Article 50. They'll just have to deal with the shitstorm that will follow. There is even less will from Business, Academia, the Treasury, Financial Institutions, the Trade Unions, the National Farmers Union you name it, they think its crackers. I really don't know where we go from here. I'd love to see us remain but I can't make a moral case for it following the vote. I think we have to leave in the most remaining and least damaging way we can. We would ultimately recover even if we are picking the bits out of this blasted thing for a couple of decades. What a cluster fuck it is. 29 million of the electorate did NOT vote for leave.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 19:51:30 GMT
Whilst there is very little political will to leave the EU, the latest figures obtained by Mori show 71% of the population want to leave. I'd that's true (which I doubt) then the Brexiteers should rally for REF2 immediately. Why should they? It was done not long ago.....have you forgot the result like Westminster and Dave?
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Post by Gods on Mar 20, 2019 19:55:50 GMT
There's very little political will to leave the EU, that much is certain. The Government should now show some bollocks and revoke Article 50. They'll just have to deal with the shitstorm that will follow. Whilst there is very little political will to leave the EU, the latest figures obtained by Mori show 71% of the population want to leave. According to this weeks Sunday Times: "Latest YouGov polling suggests that the public would vote 61%-39% to remain rather than leaving with the May deal and 57%-43% to remain rather than leaving with no deal" Do you have a link to the Mori poll to which you refer, I can't find it on-line?
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