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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 20, 2019 9:38:22 GMT
9 days to freedom 😎
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 20, 2019 9:56:32 GMT
EU won't agree a long delay They might agree to 30June as suggested but more likely to 23rd May I.e. the day European elections are due. Or possibly no delay at all. The only delay we need is 1 hour. So we can leave at midnight our time on 29th rather than 11pm to suit CET. Edit:Sorry forgot to put the winky thing on before someone starts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 10:21:06 GMT
What are the shysters in Parliament going to do with a two month extension ? No doubt even more scheming and obfuscation to further delay and obstruct Brexit with the likes of Grieve and Soubry etc continuing their crusade to overturn the 2016 decision by pushing for a second referendum.
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2019 10:51:45 GMT
EU won't agree a long delay They might agree to 30June as suggested but more likely to 23rd May I.e. the day European elections are due. Or possibly no delay at all. The only delay we need is 1 hour. So we can leave at midnight our time on 29th rather than 11pm to suit CET. Edit:Sorry forgot to put the winky thing on before someone starts. Is why Portugal is one of the few countries we haven't been to war with, because they are in the same timezone as us?
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2019 10:53:35 GMT
What are the shysters in Parliament going to do with a two month extension ? No doubt even more scheming and obfuscation to further delay and obstruct Brexit with the likes of Grieve and Soubry etc continuing their crusade to overturn the 2016 decision by pushing for a second referendum. It's an attempt to avoid no deal. A short delay would almost certainly be curtains for a second referendum. Be left with GE (at a push) May's deal (presumably with a tiny tweak) or no deal at all.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 20, 2019 10:58:05 GMT
The only delay we need is 1 hour. So we can leave at midnight our time on 29th rather than 11pm to suit CET. Edit:Sorry forgot to put the winky thing on before someone starts. Is why Portugal is one of the few countries we haven't been to war with, because they are in the same timezone as us? That and Tawny port I'd imagine.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 20, 2019 10:58:15 GMT
The only delay we need is 1 hour. So we can leave at midnight our time on 29th rather than 11pm to suit CET. Edit:Sorry forgot to put the winky thing on before someone starts. Is why Portugal is one of the few countries we haven't been to war with, because they are in the same timezone as us? I think that our oldest treaty to assist in the case of invasion is with Portugal, it something to that effect
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Post by 3putts on Mar 20, 2019 11:04:09 GMT
I bet a lot of other eu countries don't move their unemployed onto sickness benefit in a cynical attempt to mask the true figures
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Post by 3putts on Mar 20, 2019 11:06:46 GMT
according to the financial company earnst & young the uk ia set to lose over £1 TRILLION of financial assets to the eu,as well as over 7,000 top paid financial sector jobs which will have a huge affect on tax revenues in the uk. good ol brexit
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 20, 2019 11:26:06 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 11:28:00 GMT
So what's happening in Italy and Spain and Greece with this fabulous economic model? And there is your answer. Every organisation in the world has haves and haves not. Look at the premier league. Still structured to keep the big teams on top. The EU is no different. Remainers speak of the compromise of a reformed EU. The EU Will not reform as the premier league will not give one of their champions league spots to the fa cup winners. You accept the status quo or leave. As we are supposed to be doing. This whole mess stems from the whole of parliament stalling on what they were supposed to do. Parliament has voted to take No Deal off the table, but they put it on the table in the first place by triggering Article 50! Now they are discussing a deal that includes staying in the customs union and single market, which wouldn't be Brexit at all! As you say, it all comes down to the discrepancy between the voters and the politicians that isn't going away. Parliament won't vote for any form of Brexit that lives up to the name.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 20, 2019 11:40:49 GMT
according to the financial company earnst & young the uk ia set to lose over £1 TRILLION of financial assets to the eu,as well as over 7,000 top paid financial sector jobs which will have a huge affect on tax revenues in the uk. good ol brexit YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR FACTSAnother example of scaremongering and was published on 7th January: www.cnbc.com/2019/01/07/brexit-uk-financial-services-sector-moves-1-trillion-in-assets-to-eu.htmlRead the full article: We are not " set to lose", it has happened. • However, EY said the amount was small in relation to the overall size of Britain’s financial sectorAs has been pointed out above over 90% of future world growth will be outside the EU which aopart from UK and Germany is largely stagnant. This is the EU own statement: www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2015-014997-ASW_EN.html?redirectOur trade with the EU is growing, but our trade outside the EU is growing faster. As a proportion our trade with the rest of the world exceeds the trade with the EU and is set to continue for the foreseeable future. Being in the EU may have been a good economic move in the past (I'm not so sure and it as certainly a bad more constitutionally) but being free to trade outside the EU is certainly best for the long term. fullfact.org/europe/eu-has-shrunk-percentage-world-economy/
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 20, 2019 11:45:08 GMT
"The People’s Vote campaign has announced the names of some celebrities who are sponsoring coaches from their home towns to bring supports to the Peoples’ Vote march in London on Saturday. The included actor Jason Isaacs (Liverpool); broadcaster Joan Bakewell (Manchester); advertising executive and film producer Trevor Beattie (Birmingham); comedian and actor Steve Coogan (Manchester); businessman and chair of Stoke City FC Peter Coates (Stoke); Joe Hemani, chairman of tech firm Westcoast PLC and vice president of Chelsea FC (more than one coach); actor Natascha McElhone (Brighton); TV cook and majority shareholder of Norwich City Football Club Delia Smith (Norwich); and actor Sir Patrick Stewart (Huddersfield). The writer and director, Armando Iannucci, who is sponsoring a coach from Oxford to help get campaigners to the Put it to the People march on Saturday 23rd." Voters have been left befuddled and bemused by what’s going on in Westminster and I think the only sensible thing left is to put whatever Brexit deal parliament comes up with to the voters one last time. It’s just one more vote to settle matters; what’s the problem? The prime minister’s now on to her third. Anyone on here going?
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 20, 2019 12:00:56 GMT
"The People’s Vote campaign has announced the names of some celebrities who are sponsoring coaches from their home towns to bring supports to the Peoples’ Vote march in London on Saturday. The included actor Jason Isaacs (Liverpool); broadcaster Joan Bakewell (Manchester); advertising executive and film producer Trevor Beattie (Birmingham); comedian and actor Steve Coogan (Manchester); businessman and chair of Stoke City FC Peter Coates (Stoke); Joe Hemani, chairman of tech firm Westcoast PLC and vice president of Chelsea FC (more than one coach); actor Natascha McElhone (Brighton); TV cook and majority shareholder of Norwich City Football Club Delia Smith (Norwich); and actor Sir Patrick Stewart (Huddersfield). The writer and director, Armando Iannucci, who is sponsoring a coach from Oxford to help get campaigners to the Put it to the People march on Saturday 23rd." Voters have been left befuddled and bemused by what’s going on in Westminster and I think the only sensible thing left is to put whatever Brexit deal parliament comes up with to the voters one last time. It’s just one more vote to settle matters; what’s the problem? The prime minister’s now on to her third. Anyone on here going? No And peter Coates and my local personality delia smith Can personally fuck off
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 12:05:22 GMT
"The People’s Vote campaign has announced the names of some celebrities who are sponsoring coaches from their home towns to bring supports to the Peoples’ Vote march in London on Saturday. The included actor Jason Isaacs (Liverpool); broadcaster Joan Bakewell (Manchester); advertising executive and film producer Trevor Beattie (Birmingham); comedian and actor Steve Coogan (Manchester); businessman and chair of Stoke City FC Peter Coates (Stoke); Joe Hemani, chairman of tech firm Westcoast PLC and vice president of Chelsea FC (more than one coach); actor Natascha McElhone (Brighton); TV cook and majority shareholder of Norwich City Football Club Delia Smith (Norwich); and actor Sir Patrick Stewart (Huddersfield). The writer and director, Armando Iannucci, who is sponsoring a coach from Oxford to help get campaigners to the Put it to the People march on Saturday 23rd." Voters have been left befuddled and bemused by what’s going on in Westminster and I think the only sensible thing left is to put whatever Brexit deal parliament comes up with to the voters one last time. It’s just one more vote to settle matters; what’s the problem? The prime minister’s now on to her third. Anyone on here going? I don't see what all the fuss is about.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 12:07:47 GMT
Yes, all achieved inside the EU, it won't have escaped your attention we haven't left yet. Why throw away the very economic model on which our entire financial system and prosperity is built? But what about the food banks?
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Post by Gods on Mar 20, 2019 12:17:41 GMT
Yes, all achieved inside the EU, it won't have escaped your attention we haven't left yet. Why throw away the very economic model on which our entire financial system and prosperity is built? But what about the food banks? I was just trying to say to Coke he can't have it both ways. I agree, we have lots of problems, will they be made better by leaving the EU, personally I doubt it.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 20, 2019 12:26:12 GMT
Despite brexit
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 12:32:50 GMT
But what about the food banks? I was just trying to say to Coke he can't have it both ways. I agree, we have lots of problems, will they be made better by leaving the EU, personally I doubt it. Everyone is having it both ways, though. Every bit of good news is "despite" Brexit, isn't it? Someone said yesterday "Brexit uncertainty hasn't had its effect yet", when discussing employment figures and wages. It was as if she wanted bad figures to blame on Brexit.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 12:33:16 GMT
Despite brexit Beat me to it! 😁
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 20, 2019 13:08:29 GMT
Yes, all achieved inside the EU, it won't have escaped your attention we haven't left yet. Why throw away the very economic model on which our entire financial system and prosperity is built? But what about the food banks? blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/04/was-food-poverty-actually-higher-under-the-last-labour-government/I think there is some truth in this delays in processing benefits cause people to have to use food banks so not really anything to do with how the general economy is doing.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 13:22:09 GMT
I'm on my arse at the moment and I haven't been offered so much as a Fray Bentos pie, so I would love to know how nurses are eligible for food banks. I only mentioned them because when it suits we are the 6th richest economy in the world and at other times almost Dickensian.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 20, 2019 13:36:19 GMT
I'm on my arse at the moment and I haven't been offered so much as a Fray Bentos pie, so I would love to know how nurses are eligible for food banks. I only mentioned them because when it suits we are the 6th richest economy in the world and at other times almost Dickensian. I wasn't sure myself so I googled it. www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/help-if-on-a-low-income/using-a-food-bank/"Start by looking online to see if there are any independent local food banks that you can go to without a referral. If there aren't any, you'll need to be sent by someone else. For example by a charity or someone like a GP or social worker." The truth is probably somewhere in between 6th richest and dickensian, I know for instance that Labour would not let the job centre refer people when they were in power but does seem to be a case with food banks if they are opened people will use them, benefit delays and the chance to stretch your budget a bit further can't really blame people who find themselves in that unfortunate position.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 14:05:11 GMT
EU apparently only allowing an extension till 23rd May according to several news sites
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 14:07:42 GMT
EU apparently only allowing an extension till 23rd May according to several news sites Isn't it ace hanging on their every word?
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Post by yeokel on Mar 20, 2019 14:08:48 GMT
I'm on my arse at the moment and I haven't been offered so much as a Fray Bentos pie, so I would love to know how nurses are eligible for food banks. I only mentioned them because when it suits we are the 6th richest economy in the world and at other times almost Dickensian. I never understand this “one of the richest nations in the world” statement. The last I heard, we were between 1.5 and 2 Trillion Pounds in debt with one of the largest national debts on the planet. How does that make us rich as a nation? We might well have one of the largest economies but isn’t that just a measure of how much money is sloshing around in the system? But it doesn’t make us rich. (Best of luck in getting back on your feet soon)
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 20, 2019 14:17:24 GMT
I'm on my arse at the moment and I haven't been offered so much as a Fray Bentos pie, so I would love to know how nurses are eligible for food banks. I only mentioned them because when it suits we are the 6th richest economy in the world and at other times almost Dickensian. I never understand this “one of the richest nations in the world” statement. The last I heard, we were between 1.5 and 2 Trillion Pounds in debt with one of the largest national debts on the planet. How does that make us rich as a nation? We might well have one of the largest economies but isn’t that just a measure of how much money is sloshing around in the system? But it doesn’t make us rich. (Best of luck in getting back on your feet soon) Cheers.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 20, 2019 14:24:07 GMT
I don't understand May's tactics here.
Over the weekend you had several hard Brexiteers like Esther McVey saying that they were finally going to vote for MV3 because they felt they had no choice but to do so, as May was going to request a long extension, which could ultimately lead to no Brexit at all.
Indeed the likes of David Davis and Nadine Dorries had already caved by MV2.
There are/were rumours that the DUP could come on board by Monday, which would probably drag along Reese-Mogg and a good chunk of the ERG.
But now that she has requested a short extension, effectively making it a binary choice of her deal, or no deal at the end of the short extension, she's going to lose all those Tory brexiteers she was winning/bullying over.
Surely David Davis (etc.) will now NOT vote for her deal and she's now made it LESS likely that she'll get her WA over the line?
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Post by yeokel on Mar 20, 2019 14:46:50 GMT
I don't understand May's tactics here. Over the weekend you had several hard Brexiteers like Esther McVey saying that they were finally going to vote for MV3 because they felt they had no choice but to do so, as May was going to request a long extension, which could ultimately lead to no Brexit at all. Indeed the likes of David Davis and Nadine Dorries had already caved by MV2. There are/were rumours that the DUP could come on board by Monday, which would probably drag along Reese-Mogg and a good chunk of the ERG. But now that she has requested a short extension, effectively making it a binary choice of her deal, or no deal at the end of the short extension, she's going to lose all those Tory brexiteers she was winning/bullying over. Surely David Davis (etc.) will now NOT vote for her deal and she's now made it LESS likely that she'll get her WA over the line? It's almost as though she doesn't want Brexit to happen at all and, despite all her words, she really hopes that we remain within the EU. Judge people by their actions, not their words.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 20, 2019 14:54:46 GMT
But what about the food banks? I was just trying to say to Coke he can't have it both ways. I agree, we have lots of problems, will they be made better by leaving the EU, personally I doubt it. Cheer up wealth isn't everything. Today is International Day of Happiness. The UK has risen to 15th : news.sky.com/story/can-you-guess-which-countries-are-the-worlds-happiest-11670427I appreciate that might be hard for some to swallow but most of the countries in the world are far worse off than us. New Zealand is high on the list and has had huge media coverage following last week's terrible incident. Meanwhile 280 Christians killed in Nigeria, 100 homes destroyed, 1000s displaced in the last couple of months goes unmentioned in the media. www.abcactionnews.com/news/world/hundreds-of-christians-killed-in-nigeria-attacksThe world is in a sorry state and our country is in a political muddle but we have a lot to be grateful for still. My sympathies to those in desperate need and at their wits end.
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