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Post by spitthedog on Mar 15, 2019 10:38:16 GMT
I’m so fucking embarrassed with our parliament right now. How many more votes for this and that? The decision was leave, 650 MPs were effectively charged to deliver with the best deal possible but all they do is point score & cause mayhem. The EU are also culpable, they fear the idea that a member can walk away without punishment as others will likely follow. Democracy is dead & as such, anarchy will likely follow. 😡😡😡😡😡😡 Just one small point.....our dear PM has not given 650 MPs the opportunity to deliver any deal only her deal, thats a big part of the problem. She had 2 years to sort an agreement that would be agreeable to the MPs and is still trying to go it alone because of ego...she wants to be the name in history associated with its delivery...though its very likely that wont happen.
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Post by starkiller on Mar 15, 2019 11:03:30 GMT
Here is the constituency map of the Leave vote. There's certainly a lot of power these voters hold if they support Brexit parties. Traditional party politics is almost at an end.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 15, 2019 11:33:04 GMT
This is very good. The present disconnect between Parliament and the voters. Who Governs Britain? - FT "The Brexit referendum was the first time that Britain’s electorate has voted for an outcome with which its MP's disagreed. Nearly 52 per cent of UK voters backed Leave, while nearly 75 per cent of today’s MPs voted Remain. That was only half the problem. The other is that most of the 25 per cent of MP's who did vote Leave disagreed with how the government (led by former Remainers) interpreted the vote. So parliamentary democracy and direct democracy became incompatible."
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Post by pearo on Mar 15, 2019 12:28:20 GMT
Verhofstadt rallying EU leaders to ensure the UK Leave on 29th March, who’d have thought the EU would be the ones to ensure Leave happens.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 15, 2019 12:34:07 GMT
Nice, balanced panel on Politics Live at the moment!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 15, 2019 12:36:05 GMT
Has it though? Or has it for some fuelled extreme views and for others made them completely disillusioned with politics. You're not wrong, without a doubt it has fuelled some extreme views - but we can't deny that these views exist amongst the population, and these views were not represented in the house of commons. UKIP got nearly 4,000,000 votes in 2015 but ended up with one seat in parliament, whilst personally I don't agree with a lot of their views we still need them to be expressed in parliament to give balance. It's totally understandable that people are frustrated, and that frustration was displayed with great effect in the referendum. We've been a two party country for far too long, the current setup tends to result in one party having power and the rest of the government voting against them (whether they agree with their policies or not) just to score political points. I think we'd be far better off with many smaller parties that were closer aligned to the views of their politicians than them being part of parties where they agree with only a small part of the policy yet a whip is enforced and they have to tow the party line. They should be in government because they care about changing things for the better, they should work together with other like minded people regardless of the party they are aligned to, and they should represent the people. The best thing that can happen as a result of Brexit in my opinion would be a drastic reform of the political system, what Brexit has clearly shown is that the current political system is not working, the people are not being properly represented and it has to change. Cracking post.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 15, 2019 12:48:13 GMT
Once we leave and settle down as a antion will be the time to ask that question? But, so far, to date, has the referendum been good or bad for this country!? I am joking of course. No sane person could seriously justify that it has been good, so far. That’s why you dodged the question. I don’t think he dodged the question rather he gave you a forthright answer to a ridiculous question. Of course it hasn’t been good so far with the mayhem being caused by remainiacs and those with not very hidden agendas. What would your answer be to your own question other than "it hasn’t been good so far"?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 12:58:37 GMT
Nice, balanced panel on Politics Live at the moment! All remainers ?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 15, 2019 13:05:31 GMT
Nice, balanced panel on Politics Live at the moment! All remainers ? Well, we had Gina Miller and someone who wanted a second referendum, Tom Swarbrick from LBC who is very Brexit lite and a woman who used to be in UKIP. 3 out of 4 were anti Farage, put it that way.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 15, 2019 13:10:15 GMT
But, so far, to date, has the referendum been good or bad for this country!? I am joking of course. No sane person could seriously justify that it has been good, so far. That’s why you dodged the question. I don’t think he dodged the question rather he gave you a forthright answer to a ridiculous question. Of course it hasn’t been good so far with the mayhem being caused by remainiacs and those with not very hidden agendas. What would your answer be to your own question other than "it hasn’t been good so far"? It can't see how it can be considered remotely "good" as long as any discussion resorts to incessant use of playground name calling such as "remaniacs" and "remoaners" etc and this from all sides too. Thats been about the level of intelligence applied to this circus from Day 1 Basically we have come to a point (quite some time back) where nobody is prepared to listen or engage in any meaningful or constructive discussion.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 15, 2019 13:16:27 GMT
So..... what now for Brexit? Does anyone think it has been a good thing so far!? Every thing that has happened since the referendum has made more and more convinced that we should be out of the EU and make our own way in the world like Canada, Australia, NZ and most other advanced countries in the world, over whom we have a major advantage in being the 5/6th biggest economy in the world, our own major world currency, and major financial centre. We will be free of the constraints of the EU and trapped in a closed economy where half the nations are on their way to mass unemployment of the young and economic stagnation. We have a major £70 billion trading deficit with the EU which is bleeding this country apart from what we have to pay in to support the CAP and regional aid to countires like Ireland. We can look after Scotland, NI, and Wales much better than Brussels. There is no doubt there would be a very difficult period immediately after we were to leave, but I think it will be amazing how quickly all the issues will be resolved like the Irish border as soon as we are out because it will be in the interests of all parties to resolve all the border, trading, security, etc. issues as quickly as possible. It would not be a case like spending years negotiating a trade deal with Japan as German and other EU countries economies will be suffering from our departure and want to move rapidly to sorting issues out. Germany earns £30 billion pa out of us in trade and will want to keep that intact. We need to reestablish sovereignty of our own country and take control of our own seas which are being raped by Europeans, who take 70% of our fish. theconversation.com/fact-check-is-80-of-uk-fish-given-away-to-the-rest-of-europe-39966 (Nigel was exaggerating when he said "80%".)
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Post by Gods on Mar 15, 2019 14:32:16 GMT
I still have to pinch myself that anyone bought the cock and bull story that to withdraw would be easy and pain free.
We're talking about the entire economic structure on which our financial model has been built over 50 years.
I'm an economics graduate but you don't have to be in order to see when something is fraught with difficulty.
I think I said on about page 1 of this thread 2 years ago that this thing would consume our every waking moment to the detriment of all else.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 15, 2019 14:59:53 GMT
I still have to pinch myself that anyone bought the cock and bull story that to withdraw would be easy and pain free. Were talking about the entire economic structure on which our financial model has been built over 50 years. I'm an economics graduate but you don't have to be in order to see when something is fraught with difficulty. I think I said on about page 1 of this thread 2 years ago that this thing would consume our every waking moment to the detriment of all else. I think that you are right God's. Personally I never thought or said it would be easy. But it does not mean that bit isn't the right thing to do. And it's not just about economics. The EU is a political project, but it does use economics to exert control. In my opinion
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 15, 2019 16:07:16 GMT
I still have to pinch myself that anyone bought the cock and bull story that to withdraw would be easy and pain free. Were talking about the entire economic structure on which our financial model has been built over 50 years. I'm an economics graduate but you don't have to be in order to see when something is fraught with difficulty. I think I said on about page 1 of this thread 2 years ago that this thing would consume our every waking moment to the detriment of all else. I think that you are right God's. Personally I never thought or said it would be easy. But it does not mean that bit isn't the right thing to do. And it's not just about economics. The EU is a political project, but it does use economics to exert control. In my opinion From what I've read and heard I reckon there's many out there who think its like cancelling your Amazon Prime subscription!!!
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 15, 2019 16:10:23 GMT
I think that you are right God's. Personally I never thought or said it would be easy. But it does not mean that bit isn't the right thing to do. And it's not just about economics. The EU is a political project, but it does use economics to exert control. In my opinion From what I've read and heard I reckon there's many out there who think its like cancelling your Amazon Prime subscription!!! I'm glad you didn't say Banatynnes gym membership, believe me leaving the EU is easier.
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Post by Northy on Mar 15, 2019 16:26:58 GMT
For educated read brainwashed , things have changed a lot in the 43 years since we joined the common market maybe that is why people voted the way they did !, you losers will have your turn to turn over the result in another 43 years just be patient it won't seem that long If we leave you'll be a 'loser' too, if you go on your holidays outside of the UK or buy anything from outside the UK you're already a loser too, it's costing you over 20% more than it was before the referendum. Has your wage gone up by the same amount? or your pension? I doubt it. What's for certain is that we're all already poorer because of the decision, huge amounts of money and time have already been spent on Brexit by the government - time and money that could have gone to improving the lives of people in this country, and it's potentially going to get worse. But Brexit means Brexit, it's the peoples will to be poorer, we voted leave, leave means leave... Before we joined the EU, only 1 person tended to work in a family ad they could still afford a house, have kids and take a holiday etc. You didn't have to live with your parents until mid thirties to save up a deposit and to buy a house. Etc etc
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Post by salopstick on Mar 15, 2019 16:29:15 GMT
If we leave you'll be a 'loser' too, if you go on your holidays outside of the UK or buy anything from outside the UK you're already a loser too, it's costing you over 20% more than it was before the referendum. Has your wage gone up by the same amount? or your pension? I doubt it. What's for certain is that we're all already poorer because of the decision, huge amounts of money and time have already been spent on Brexit by the government - time and money that could have gone to improving the lives of people in this country, and it's potentially going to get worse. But Brexit means Brexit, it's the peoples will to be poorer, we voted leave, leave means leave... Before we joined the EU, only 1 person tended to work in a family ad they could still afford a house, have kids and take a holiday etc. You didn't have to live with your parents until mid thirties to save up a deposit and to buy a house. Etc etc That has a lot to do with more women working full time Two wages meant people could afford more meaning house prices went up which meant it became the norm to need two wages Should have kept their bras on chained to the kitchen
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 15, 2019 16:31:53 GMT
I think that you are right God's. Personally I never thought or said it would be easy. But it does not mean that bit isn't the right thing to do. And it's not just about economics. The EU is a political project, but it does use economics to exert control. In my opinion From what I've read and heard I reckon there's many out there who think its like cancelling your Amazon Prime subscription!!! I've not heard that Spit....they obviously are not aware of the scope of the EU influence on the UK then eh? ( nor on Greece, Spain , Italy, Hungary, Poland etc)
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Post by Gods on Mar 15, 2019 16:50:08 GMT
I still have to pinch myself that anyone bought the cock and bull story that to withdraw would be easy and pain free. Were talking about the entire economic structure on which our financial model has been built over 50 years. I'm an economics graduate but you don't have to be in order to see when something is fraught with difficulty. I think I said on about page 1 of this thread 2 years ago that this thing would consume our every waking moment to the detriment of all else. I think that you are right God's. Personally I never thought or said it would be easy. But it does not mean that bit isn't the right thing to do. And it's not just about economics. The EU is a political project, but it does use economics to exert control. In my opinion I get that point. But then would you be in favour of the customs union and the single market? Effectively they are the free trade elements most people thought we had signed up to before the political and legal integration came along. Personally I'm fine with the political things too since to solve Europe wide problems like climate change and terrorism I believe you need common rules and legislation but I get it's not for everyone.
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Post by Davef on Mar 15, 2019 16:54:20 GMT
I think that you are right God's. Personally I never thought or said it would be easy. But it does not mean that bit isn't the right thing to do. And it's not just about economics. The EU is a political project, but it does use economics to exert control. In my opinion I get that point. But then would you be in favour of the customs union and the single market? Effectively they are the free trade elements most people thought we had signed up to before the political and legal integration came along. Personally I'm fine with the political things too since to solve Europe wide problems like climate change and terrorism I believe you need common rules and legislation but I get it's not for everyone. Commons rules are fine for trade. Stuff like climate change and terrorism requires co-operation, which any responsible government, supranational or otherwise wouldn't stand in the way of.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 15, 2019 17:07:24 GMT
I think that you are right God's. Personally I never thought or said it would be easy. But it does not mean that bit isn't the right thing to do. And it's not just about economics. The EU is a political project, but it does use economics to exert control. In my opinion I get that point. But then would you be in favour of the customs union and the single market? Effectively they are the free trade elements most people thought we had signed up to before the political and legal integration came along. Personally I'm fine with the political things too since to solve Europe wide problems like climate change and terrorism I believe you need common rules and legislation but I get it's not for everyone. I can understand the Political argument too , God's and although I don't agree with it at least I appreciate people arguing for or against it, not just arguing about " deals". All the treaties make clear that the purpose of the EU is Political and Economic union.... but I don't believe that this has been honestly been put to the people, which is why I feel that it will ultimately fail in the UK in any case. The referendum has been good in exposing this. I don't agree with being in the CU or SM because it is part and parcel of being in the EU... also it comes with free movement and the jurisdiction of the EU court of Justice....We don't need those things to be in a trading relationship if the EU was honest about it..... Australia, New Zealand, Chile etc trade with the EU/ UK without being in the single market...the truth is that the EU has made it a condition in order to exert greater control. Also I don't want to be in the CU, SM etc because the word " honourable" is important to me, the very basis of democracy, trust. It was made clear ( albeit as a scare tactic) by the government ( and I don't particularly care if it is conservative or Labour, the point being that it was the UK government)that leaving the EU would mean leaving the CU and SM, our decision, a once in a generation decision, no second Referendum....I think that that promise made to the people of the UK should be honoured. And..the things you mention climate change, terrorism, poverty should be tackled on a global scale but leaving the EU does not mean that we cannot and should not cooperate on a global scale...I'm all for it....but it does not mean that we should compromise our democracy to do so. Are you in favour of us joining the Euro? because, mark my words, the day will come when we will be in a no win situation....our leaders will " decide" that the time is right to join because the Eurogroup is a major part of the decision making process/ control.....We are not fully in the project in any case, while outside the Euro and eventually that will not be sustainable.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 15, 2019 17:11:20 GMT
I still have to pinch myself that anyone bought the cock and bull story that to withdraw would be easy and pain free. Were talking about the entire economic structure on which our financial model has been built over 50 years. I'm an economics graduate but you don't have to be in order to see when something is fraught with difficulty. I think I said on about page 1 of this thread 2 years ago that this thing would consume our every waking moment to the detriment of all else. I don't think anyone said it would be easy and pain free. I said before the referendum that the UK would probably vote to stay in because of all the dire warnings about leaving and in the unlikely event of us voting to leave the establishment would find some way of stopping it by some legal trickery or just that it was too impractical. I am well aware of many of the issues having sat on a European committee for some year, which I chaired for three years. (and what Germany said was what ruled) The issue is, what do you believe is the right thing for your country? Everyone has a different situation in life and many will prefer to stay, but it is not a reason to stay because it is extremely difficult to leave. The vote was take to decide the future of the country and despite a huge propaganda campaign by the PM and BoE and the rest of the establishment (not sure what the Royals want) the people's decision was to leave. I mentioned fishing rights in my post above. We had to give up our fishing rights to join the EU, and it is now looking like we have to give them away again to leave. That is the EU all over in respect of this country, it is just take, take, take. Meanwhile our proportion of trade with the EU declines and grows with the rest of the world where by the EU's own statement 90% of future growth will be. www.ft.com/content/6133d3c6-e669-11e8-8a85-04b8afea6ea3 fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2015-014997-ASW_EN.html?redirectIn the long term we are best out, despite short term problems disengaging ourselves. Staying in is not a sensible option now. If the country were to change course and decide to stay the EU would strip all our rights away to prevent a recurrence, we would lose the rebate ,and on every EU committee, policy group etc. the UK would be treated as pariahs. Down the road we would have to submit to joining the Euro causing mass unemployment in southern Europe and we would be subjected to a European president, army, (secret) police. I am not xenophobic, I have worked for the French for 7 years and the Dutch for a couple of years. I knew some great people but I also know they know which side their bread is buttered and they will take us for every penny they can get out of us and strip us of any and every rights we have.
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 15, 2019 17:11:26 GMT
If we leave you'll be a 'loser' too, if you go on your holidays outside of the UK or buy anything from outside the UK you're already a loser too, it's costing you over 20% more than it was before the referendum. Has your wage gone up by the same amount? or your pension? I doubt it. What's for certain is that we're all already poorer because of the decision, huge amounts of money and time have already been spent on Brexit by the government - time and money that could have gone to improving the lives of people in this country, and it's potentially going to get worse. But Brexit means Brexit, it's the peoples will to be poorer, we voted leave, leave means leave... Before we joined the EU, only 1 person tended to work in a family ad they could still afford a house, have kids and take a holiday etc. You didn't have to live with your parents until mid thirties to save up a deposit and to buy a house. Etc etc Not how i remember it, we moved to Skelmersdale in 1976 and we could park outside our house everyday as there were only about 10 cars in the street now you are lucky to park in the street let alone your own house.most houses have more than one vehicle. I was then lucky enough to work for Huntsman Containers a U.S.A. company who paid well over the odds and picked the U.K. solely because of EU membership.strange how people have different memories
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 15, 2019 17:20:16 GMT
I still have to pinch myself that anyone bought the cock and bull story that to withdraw would be easy and pain free. Were talking about the entire economic structure on which our financial model has been built over 50 years. I'm an economics graduate but you don't have to be in order to see when something is fraught with difficulty. I think I said on about page 1 of this thread 2 years ago that this thing would consume our every waking moment to the detriment of all else. I don't think anyone said it would be easy and pain free. I said before the referendum that the UK would probably vote to stay in because of all the dire warnings about leaving and in the unlikely event of us voting to leave the establishment would find some way of stopping it by some legal trickery or just that it was too impractical. I am well aware of many of the issues having sat on a European committee for some year, which I chaired for three years. (and what Germany said was what ruled) The issue is, what do you believe is the right thing for your country? Everyone has a different situation in life and many will prefer to stay, but it is not a reason to stay because it is extremely difficult to leave. The vote was take to decide the future of the country and despite a huge propaganda campaign by the PM and BoE and the rest of the establishment (not sure what the Royals want) the people's decision was to leave. I mentioned fishing rights in my post above. We had to give up our fishing rights to join the EU, and it is now looking like we have to give them away again to leave. That is the EU all over in respect of this country, it is just take, take, take. Meanwhile our proportion of trade with the EU declines and grows with the rest of the world where by the EU's own statement 90% of future growth will be. www.ft.com/content/6133d3c6-e669-11e8-8a85-04b8afea6ea3 fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2015-014997-ASW_EN.html?redirectIn the long term we are best out, despite short term problems disengaging ourselves. Staying in is not a sensible option now. If the country were to change course and decide to stay the EU would strip all our rights away to prevent a recurrence, we would lose the rebate ,and on every EU committee, policy group etc. the UK would be treated as pariahs. Down the road we would have to submit to joining the Euro causing mass unemployment in southern Europe and we would be subjected to a European president, army, (secret) police. I am not xenophobic, I have worked for the French for 7 years and the Dutch for a couple of years. I knew some great people but I also know they know which side their bread is buttered and they will take us for every penny they can get out of us and strip us of any and every rights we have. Excellent post in my opinion Cokehead
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 18:00:32 GMT
I still have to pinch myself that anyone bought the cock and bull story that to withdraw would be easy and pain free. Were talking about the entire economic structure on which our financial model has been built over 50 years. I'm an economics graduate but you don't have to be in order to see when something is fraught with difficulty. I think I said on about page 1 of this thread 2 years ago that this thing would consume our every waking moment to the detriment of all else. I don't think anyone said it would be easy and pain free. I said before the referendum that the UK would probably vote to stay in because of all the dire warnings about leaving and in the unlikely event of us voting to leave the establishment would find some way of stopping it by some legal trickery or just that it was too impractical. I am well aware of many of the issues having sat on a European committee for some year, which I chaired for three years. (and what Germany said was what ruled) The issue is, what do you believe is the right thing for your country? Everyone has a different situation in life and many will prefer to stay, but it is not a reason to stay because it is extremely difficult to leave. The vote was take to decide the future of the country and despite a huge propaganda campaign by the PM and BoE and the rest of the establishment (not sure what the Royals want) the people's decision was to leave. I mentioned fishing rights in my post above. We had to give up our fishing rights to join the EU, and it is now looking like we have to give them away again to leave. That is the EU all over in respect of this country, it is just take, take, take. Meanwhile our proportion of trade with the EU declines and grows with the rest of the world where by the EU's own statement 90% of future growth will be. www.ft.com/content/6133d3c6-e669-11e8-8a85-04b8afea6ea3 fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2015-014997-ASW_EN.html?redirectIn the long term we are best out, despite short term problems disengaging ourselves. Staying in is not a sensible option now. If the country were to change course and decide to stay the EU would strip all our rights away to prevent a recurrence, we would lose the rebate ,and on every EU committee, policy group etc. the UK would be treated as pariahs. Down the road we would have to submit to joining the Euro causing mass unemployment in southern Europe and we would be subjected to a European president, army, (secret) police. I am not xenophobic, I have worked for the French for 7 years and the Dutch for a couple of years. I knew some great people but I also know they know which side their bread is buttered and they will take us for every penny they can get out of us and strip us of any and every rights we have. Spot on with your final paragraph. I worked for a French company for 40 years and agree entirely with you about their attitude, principles, and working ethics and procedures. I was also involved in Europe wide working groups involving France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Scandinavia, Poland, Turkey and the U.K. and it was always France or Germany who determined the decisions and future direction. We're far better off out of it IMO.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 15, 2019 18:05:06 GMT
So..... what now for Brexit? Does anyone think it has been a good thing so far!? Every thing that has happened since the referendum has made more and more convinced that we should be out of the EU and make our own way in the world like Canada, Australia, NZ and most other advanced countries in the world, over whom we have a major advantage in being the 5/6th biggest economy in the world, our own major world currency, and major financial centre. We will be free of the constraints of the EU and trapped in a closed economy where half the nations are on their way to mass unemployment of the young and economic stagnation. We have a major £70 billion trading deficit with the EU which is bleeding this country apart from what we have to pay in to support the CAP and regional aid to countires like Ireland. We can look after Scotland, NI, and Wales much better than Brussels. There is no doubt there would be a very difficult period immediately after we were to leave, but I think it will be amazing how quickly all the issues will be resolved like the Irish border as soon as we are out because it will be in the interests of all parties to resolve all the border, trading, security, etc. issues as quickly as possible. It would not be a case like spending years negotiating a trade deal with Japan as German and other EU countries economies will be suffering from our departure and want to move rapidly to sorting issues out. Germany earns £30 billion pa out of us in trade and will want to keep that intact. We need to reestablish sovereignty of our own country and take control of our own seas which are being raped by Europeans, who take 70% of our fish. theconversation.com/fact-check-is-80-of-uk-fish-given-away-to-the-rest-of-europe-39966 (Nigel was exaggerating when he said "80%".) Each to their own. It’s been disasterous so far, so surely it can only improve!
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 15, 2019 18:11:02 GMT
But, so far, to date, has the referendum been good or bad for this country!? I am joking of course. No sane person could seriously justify that it has been good, so far. That’s why you dodged the question. I don’t think he dodged the question rather he gave you a forthright answer to a ridiculous question. Of course it hasn’t been good so far with the mayhem being caused by remainiacs and those with not very hidden agendas. What would your answer be to your own question other than "it hasn’t been good so far"? It’s been the decision ever taken by our nation since I was born (nearly 33 years ago)
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Post by neworleanstokie on Mar 15, 2019 18:32:08 GMT
For educated read brainwashed , things have changed a lot in the 43 years since we joined the common market maybe that is why people voted the way they did !, you losers will have your turn to turn over the result in another 43 years just be patient it won't seem that long If we leave you'll be a 'loser' too, if you go on your holidays outside of the UK or buy anything from outside the UK you're already a loser too, it's costing you over 20% more than it was before the referendum. Has your wage gone up by the same amount? or your pension? I doubt it. What's for certain is that we're all already poorer because of the decision, huge amounts of money and time have already been spent on Brexit by the government - time and money that could have gone to improving the lives of people in this country, and it's potentially going to get worse. But Brexit means Brexit, it's the peoples will to be poorer, we voted leave, leave means leave... I'm 20% better off since Brexit kicked off - keep up the good work chaps!
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Post by shangamuzo on Mar 15, 2019 18:55:48 GMT
If we leave you'll be a 'loser' too, if you go on your holidays outside of the UK or buy anything from outside the UK you're already a loser too, it's costing you over 20% more than it was before the referendum. Has your wage gone up by the same amount? or your pension? I doubt it. What's for certain is that we're all already poorer because of the decision, huge amounts of money and time have already been spent on Brexit by the government - time and money that could have gone to improving the lives of people in this country, and it's potentially going to get worse. But Brexit means Brexit, it's the peoples will to be poorer, we voted leave, leave means leave... I'm 20% better off since Brexit kicked off - keep up the good work chaps! Not necessarily. If demand drops for foreign holidays you may well find the operators dropping their prices to compensate. I believe it's already happened in some cases. When inevitably there is a deal struck we'll have clarity and I expect the pound to rally though of course, nobody knows for sure with currency.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Mar 15, 2019 18:58:33 GMT
This front page, more than anything, sums up what I think after yesterday's shenanigans. Unless I get the Brexit we voted for I will be spoiling my ballot paper at the next general election and every election thereafter.
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