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Post by shangamuzo on Mar 15, 2019 19:03:18 GMT
This front page, more than anything, sums up what I think after yesterday's shenanigans. Unless I get the Brexit we voted for I will be spoiling my ballot paper at the next general election and every election thereafter.
I've heard a lot of people say exactly that. As one who has taken a lot of interest in brexit I'm ready to 'tune out'. I'm that fucking disgusted with parliament now.
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Post by neworleanstokie on Mar 15, 2019 19:09:11 GMT
I'm 20% better off since Brexit kicked off - keep up the good work chaps! Not necessarily. If demand drops for foreign holidays you may well find the operators dropping their prices to compensate. I believe it's already happened in some cases. When inevitably there is a deal struck we'll have clarity and I expect the pound to rally though of course, nobody knows for sure with currency. Seeing as I earn in $s and my foreign holidays are to the UK this is not really a problem for me. It is however for my family in the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 19:10:20 GMT
This front page, more than anything, sums up what I think after yesterday's shenanigans. Unless I get the Brexit we voted for I will be spoiling my ballot paper at the next general election and every election thereafter.
I've heard a lot of people say exactly that. As one who has taken a lot of interest in brexit I'm ready to 'tune out'. I'm that fucking disgusted with parliament now. If I was twenty five years younger I would do a lot more than "tune out", I would ship out. The UK has become a place to leave rather than remain.
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Post by prettything on Mar 15, 2019 19:22:57 GMT
I'm 20% better off since Brexit kicked off - keep up the good work chaps! Not necessarily. If demand drops for foreign holidays you may well find the operators dropping their prices to compensate. I believe it's already happened in some cases. When inevitably there is a deal struck we'll have clarity and I expect the pound to rally though of course, nobody knows for sure with currency. I import wine, and the more the pound is worth, the less it costs to buy. It’s not just about holidays.
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Post by shangamuzo on Mar 15, 2019 19:23:57 GMT
Not necessarily. If demand drops for foreign holidays you may well find the operators dropping their prices to compensate. I believe it's already happened in some cases. When inevitably there is a deal struck we'll have clarity and I expect the pound to rally though of course, nobody knows for sure with currency. Seeing as I earn in $s and my foreign holidays are to the UK this is not really a problem for me. It is however for my family in the UK. Yeah the post was meant for gudjon. Not Thordarson was it ?
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Post by shangamuzo on Mar 15, 2019 19:25:45 GMT
Not necessarily. If demand drops for foreign holidays you may well find the operators dropping their prices to compensate. I believe it's already happened in some cases. When inevitably there is a deal struck we'll have clarity and I expect the pound to rally though of course, nobody knows for sure with currency. I import wine, and the more the pound is worth, the less it costs to buy. It’s not just about holidays. Well of course it's not just about holidays. That's way down the list of concerns
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Post by shangamuzo on Mar 15, 2019 19:30:39 GMT
I've heard a lot of people say exactly that. As one who has taken a lot of interest in brexit I'm ready to 'tune out'. I'm that fucking disgusted with parliament now. If I was twenty five years younger I would do a lot more than "tune out", I would ship out. The UK has become a place to leave rather than remain. Where you gonna go then ? NOT an EU Country I wouldn't have thought. They don't got no jobs they're teetering on the brink of recession many of them 😁
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Post by shangamuzo on Mar 15, 2019 19:32:16 GMT
I mean where WOULD you have gone..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 19:37:33 GMT
If I was twenty five years younger I would do a lot more than "tune out", I would ship out. The UK has become a place to leave rather than remain. Where you gonna go then ? NOT an EU Country I wouldn't have thought. They don't got no jobs they're teetering on the brink of recession many of them 😁 Where would I go if I was twenty five years younger? You are correct in saying that it wouldn't be an EU country.
The world is a big place - the EU being a tiny part of it.
I have met quite a few folks that decided to jump ship when Harold Wilson got elected to be PM. They are now retired in places all over the world. Leading happy lives.
Unfortunately I am near the end of my "earning life" - pension is looming. I know that it is never too late but .... it may still happen I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 19:40:32 GMT
I import wine, and the more the pound is worth, the less it costs to buy. It’s not just about holidays. Well of course it's not just about holidays. That's way down the list of concerns As for the value of the pound, if you stay in the U.K. for your holidays (for those lucky enough to take them) and don’t buy the latest electronics from companies in the US (no apple phones here or iPads) or Japan or China, and the food you buy comes from the U.K., then perhaps it’s not going to make that much difference. If you like to go somewhere sunny though, even if they cut the price of the flights, you’ll be spending more money when you get there than if the pound was stronger. Who knows what will happen though, maybe the EU struggles too and relatively (for those travelling to within the EU) then not much changes. It’s a shambles, the U.K. should leave now, it’s just how it happens that matters.
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Post by neworleanstokie on Mar 15, 2019 19:55:18 GMT
Well of course it's not just about holidays. That's way down the list of concerns As for the value of the pound, if you stay in the U.K. for your holidays (for those lucky enough to take them) and don’t buy the latest electronics from companies in the US (no apple phones here or iPads) or Japan or China, and the food you buy comes from the U.K., then perhaps it’s not going to make that much difference. If you like to go somewhere sunny though, even if they cut the price of the flights, you’ll be spending more money when you get there than if the pound was stronger. Who knows what will happen though, maybe the EU struggles too and relatively (for those travelling to within the EU) then not much changes. It’s a shambles, the U.K. should leave now, it’s just how it happens that matters. I plan to spend the summers in the UK playing golf when I retire. With my US savings converted to GBP at todays rate that at least 1 less year I need to work to maintain the same standard of living. UK pensioners in Florida are not so fortunate.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 15, 2019 20:38:53 GMT
I still have to pinch myself that anyone bought the cock and bull story that to withdraw would be easy and pain free. Were talking about the entire economic structure on which our financial model has been built over 50 years. I'm an economics graduate but you don't have to be in order to see when something is fraught with difficulty. I think I said on about page 1 of this thread 2 years ago that this thing would consume our every waking moment to the detriment of all else. I don't think anyone said it would be easy and pain free. I said before the referendum that the UK would probably vote to stay in because of all the dire warnings about leaving and in the unlikely event of us voting to leave the establishment would find some way of stopping it by some legal trickery or just that it was too impractical. I am well aware of many of the issues having sat on a European committee for some year, which I chaired for three years. (and what Germany said was what ruled) The issue is, what do you believe is the right thing for your country? Everyone has a different situation in life and many will prefer to stay, but it is not a reason to stay because it is extremely difficult to leave. The vote was take to decide the future of the country and despite a huge propaganda campaign by the PM and BoE and the rest of the establishment (not sure what the Royals want) the people's decision was to leave. I mentioned fishing rights in my post above. We had to give up our fishing rights to join the EU, and it is now looking like we have to give them away again to leave. That is the EU all over in respect of this country, it is just take, take, take. Meanwhile our proportion of trade with the EU declines and grows with the rest of the world where by the EU's own statement 90% of future growth will be. www.ft.com/content/6133d3c6-e669-11e8-8a85-04b8afea6ea3 fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2015-014997-ASW_EN.html?redirectIn the long term we are best out, despite short term problems disengaging ourselves. Staying in is not a sensible option now. If the country were to change course and decide to stay the EU would strip all our rights away to prevent a recurrence, we would lose the rebate ,and on every EU committee, policy group etc. the UK would be treated as pariahs. Down the road we would have to submit to joining the Euro causing mass unemployment in southern Europe and we would be subjected to a European president, army, (secret) police. I am not xenophobic, I have worked for the French for 7 years and the Dutch for a couple of years. I knew some great people but I also know they know which side their bread is buttered and they will take us for every penny they can get out of us and strip us of any and every rights we have. And then they came for me. Do people not realise within 50 years (if we are lucky) uk will be to Europe what Sussex or Staffordshire is to the uk now
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 21:04:01 GMT
I don't think anyone said it would be easy and pain free. I said before the referendum that the UK would probably vote to stay in because of all the dire warnings about leaving and in the unlikely event of us voting to leave the establishment would find some way of stopping it by some legal trickery or just that it was too impractical. I am well aware of many of the issues having sat on a European committee for some year, which I chaired for three years. (and what Germany said was what ruled) The issue is, what do you believe is the right thing for your country? Everyone has a different situation in life and many will prefer to stay, but it is not a reason to stay because it is extremely difficult to leave. The vote was take to decide the future of the country and despite a huge propaganda campaign by the PM and BoE and the rest of the establishment (not sure what the Royals want) the people's decision was to leave. I mentioned fishing rights in my post above. We had to give up our fishing rights to join the EU, and it is now looking like we have to give them away again to leave. That is the EU all over in respect of this country, it is just take, take, take. Meanwhile our proportion of trade with the EU declines and grows with the rest of the world where by the EU's own statement 90% of future growth will be. www.ft.com/content/6133d3c6-e669-11e8-8a85-04b8afea6ea3 fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2015-014997-ASW_EN.html?redirectIn the long term we are best out, despite short term problems disengaging ourselves. Staying in is not a sensible option now. If the country were to change course and decide to stay the EU would strip all our rights away to prevent a recurrence, we would lose the rebate ,and on every EU committee, policy group etc. the UK would be treated as pariahs. Down the road we would have to submit to joining the Euro causing mass unemployment in southern Europe and we would be subjected to a European president, army, (secret) police. I am not xenophobic, I have worked for the French for 7 years and the Dutch for a couple of years. I knew some great people but I also know they know which side their bread is buttered and they will take us for every penny they can get out of us and strip us of any and every rights we have. And then they came for me. Do people not realise within 50 years (if we are lucky) uk will be to Europe what Sussex or Staffordshire is to the uk now You are speaking the truth man!
I hate harping back to the world wars, but those wars were fought so that we could be a free nation (and as an "aside" we actually freed most of Europe - with a little help from our friends) from the iron fist of German dictatorship. We are actually able to govern ourselves, despite the spats that go on (as we are seeing now) - but in the end - the prats know very well that they can and will be be deleted and lose their seats.
Once we are totally and utterly absorbed into "Europe" we will have no control at all in our own government. We are already in that place. Time to say goodbye.
I have heard it said on this thread that this belief is just a pathetic Nationalist belief. We should see the big picture. Well I can see the big picture - and I don't like what I see.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 21:14:48 GMT
I don't "swallow" everything in this film, but maybe it could be time for some of us to watch it again.
There is a lot of truth in there.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 15, 2019 21:58:50 GMT
Not necessarily. If demand drops for foreign holidays you may well find the operators dropping their prices to compensate. I believe it's already happened in some cases. When inevitably there is a deal struck we'll have clarity and I expect the pound to rally though of course, nobody knows for sure with currency. Seeing as I earn in $s and my foreign holidays are to the UK this is not really a problem for me. It is however for my family in the UK. Why, are they as pissed off with you as we are?
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Post by neworleanstokie on Mar 15, 2019 22:34:10 GMT
Seeing as I earn in $s and my foreign holidays are to the UK this is not really a problem for me. It is however for my family in the UK. Why, are they as pissed off with you as we are? Enough with the personal insults mate.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 15, 2019 23:05:00 GMT
This front page, more than anything, sums up what I think after yesterday's shenanigans. Unless I get the Brexit we voted for I will be spoiling my ballot paper at the next general election and every election thereafter.
I've heard a lot of people say exactly that. As one who has taken a lot of interest in brexit I'm ready to 'tune out'. I'm that fucking disgusted with parliament now. I have a brother-in-law who has "tuned out". He is not interested in Brexit anymore, totally disgusted and doesn't want to hear another word. He doesn't watch UK news any more to avoid it and will watch CNN. I have ticked him off and told him he is falling for exactly what the remainers want him to do. To lose interest and not bother any longer. They will keep kicking the Brexit can down the road until the general public lose interest or "give in" and only those who are seen as extremists remain protesting about the lack of action to get us out. I apologize to Teresa May for saying "lack of action" as she has tried very hard. Unfortunately she chose to go down a middle compromise route. That will never work with the hard line United Europeans in Brussels, they have no intention of compromising or letting any country leave the EU without making them suffer and pay for it. If they allowed the UK to just walk away, they know other countries will follow. Don't compromise your principles or beliefs, stick to what you believe.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 16, 2019 0:17:42 GMT
There will be civil unrest, making the poll tax riots look just like ‘bit of a jolly get together’
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 0:26:01 GMT
There will be civil unrest, making the poll tax riots look just like ‘bit of a jolly get together’ Well if that doesn't happen we will know that apathy really has taken over.
This Government has been told what to do by "the people".
This Govt has stuck two fingers up to "the people".
As one of "the people" I must wonder what else I can do?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 16, 2019 7:39:51 GMT
I said this back in the day regarding the actual referendum and the main reason we voted to leave. Forget all the bollox about oldies, thickos etc being the reason we are leaving because this, imo, is the reason we are leaving.... Back in 2010 our voting system gave UKIP zero seats for around one million votes compared to others who got seats for far fewer votes including SNP who got 8 seats for half a million votes. The seeds of "injustice" was set. Fast forward to 2015 GE and it’s far worse. UKIP, on a manifesto of leaving the EU, polled nearly 4m votes for 1 seat in Parliament compared to say SNP who polled 1.5m votes for 59 seats. I’m using SNP for no other reason than to demonstrate the unfairness of our voting system. So the stage is set for the Referendum and it’s simple in/out vote with all those disgruntled UKIP voters seeing the opportunity to get us out of the EU. It’s hardly surprising we are leaving and I very glad we are. But why didn’t Cameron see this trend when deciding to have a manifesto pledge in 2015 to hold a referendum that he was destined to lose, not in hind sight but by looking at the voting trend of UKIP and the anomaly our voting system creates. Of course I doubt we will change because it’s easy for governments of the day to manipulate constituency boundaries for their own benefit. I just wonder if the Voting System referendum of 2011 was re-run we would get a different outcome following the debacle of the last 2 years.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 16, 2019 8:56:04 GMT
When the triggered article 50 it was to leave deal or no deal
They couldn’t agree a deal so law says no deal
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Post by ravey123 on Mar 16, 2019 9:16:28 GMT
When the triggered article 50 it was to leave deal or no deal They couldn’t agree a deal so law says no deal Sorry to swear but the law means. FUCK ALL when it doesn't suit the establishment - they simply change the LAW to suit them. We as a people (at least the 17.4 million) must not allow this death of democracy to go unpunished. I implore everyone who voted leave or who is disgusted with the undemocratic way Parliament has acted to vote against their MP at the next election if they did not follow the mandate that the electorate AND especially their constituents gave to them. If you can't bring yourself to vote for a party you hate then please turn up but spoil your paper or vote for a fringe party. I have NEVER voted Tory in my life but the Tory MP in my area backed leave and no deal so will be getting my vote - no matter how it sits in my gut - democracy MUST prevail.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 9:23:48 GMT
I fear that if the next general election is in 2022 that a large percentage of voters will just revert to their normal voting patterns and these bloody M.P's will get away with their treachery. There needs to be mass protests NOW to register our discontent and unhappiness, and it should continue at the next election.
We can't let these shysters win !
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 16, 2019 9:24:37 GMT
When the triggered article 50 it was to leave deal or no deal They couldn’t agree a deal so law says no deal Sorry to swear but the law means. FUCK ALL when it doesn't suit the establishment - they simply change the LAW to suit them. We as a people (at least the 17.4 million) must not allow this death of democracy to go unpunished. I implore everyone who voted leave or who is disgusted with the undemocratic way Parliament has acted to vote against their MP at the next election if they did not follow the mandate that the electorate AND especially their constituents gave to them. If you can't bring yourself to vote for a party you hate then please turn up but spoil your paper or vote for a fringe party. I have NEVER voted Tory in my life but the Tory MP in my area backed leave and no deal so will be getting my vote - no matter how it sits in my gut - democracy MUST prevail. There’s only one flaw in you’re plan it’s fine to vote against someone the problem will be who do you vote for In many cases they are very much the same
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Post by ravey123 on Mar 16, 2019 9:36:34 GMT
Sorry to swear but the law means. FUCK ALL when it doesn't suit the establishment - they simply change the LAW to suit them. We as a people (at least the 17.4 million) must not allow this death of democracy to go unpunished. I implore everyone who voted leave or who is disgusted with the undemocratic way Parliament has acted to vote against their MP at the next election if they did not follow the mandate that the electorate AND especially their constituents gave to them. If you can't bring yourself to vote for a party you hate then please turn up but spoil your paper or vote for a fringe party. I have NEVER voted Tory in my life but the Tory MP in my area backed leave and no deal so will be getting my vote - no matter how it sits in my gut - democracy MUST prevail. There’s only one flaw in you’re plan it’s fine to vote against someone the problem will be who do you vote for In many cases they are very much the same Dont give up
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Post by starkiller on Mar 16, 2019 9:44:48 GMT
When the triggered article 50 it was to leave deal or no deal They couldn’t agree a deal so law says no deal Sorry to swear but the law means. FUCK ALL when it doesn't suit the establishment - they simply change the LAW to suit them. We as a people (at least the 17.4 million) must not allow this death of democracy to go unpunished. I implore everyone who voted leave or who is disgusted with the undemocratic way Parliament has acted to vote against their MP at the next election if they did not follow the mandate that the electorate AND especially their constituents gave to them. If you can't bring yourself to vote for a party you hate then please turn up but spoil your paper or vote for a fringe party. I have NEVER voted Tory in my life but the Tory MP in my area backed leave and no deal so will be getting my vote - no matter how it sits in my gut - democracy MUST prevail. Farrelly in Newcastle continues to treat his constituents with disdain.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 16, 2019 9:45:22 GMT
No envy or sarcasm here now but you do come across a bit fucking clueless about how the industry you have been in for 30 years actually works. And honestly not a scooby what your point is on the pottery industry as its nothing to do with brexit or the EU. Did you get turned down by a bunch if US firms when you left Barclays, you seem awfully hot under the collar about something? Just because you have O level B+ in Economics does't make you any smarter than me matey. Actually mate if you could tell us all who you work for then I can make sure to dispose of their shares as you are not filling me with confidence. I left working for banks as I didnt want to work at canary wharf or have to deal with the higher percentage than normal of insufferable know nothing cocks, just from your posts I'd say you'd love it there And from your posts I'd say we're all better off with you not being behind the counter at our local Barclays! Why, are they as pissed off with you as we are? Enough with the personal insults mate. Think I'd leave it if I were you cowboy. Those glass houses aren't very strong. Mate.
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Post by ravey123 on Mar 16, 2019 9:56:39 GMT
Sorry to swear but the law means. FUCK ALL when it doesn't suit the establishment - they simply change the LAW to suit them. We as a people (at least the 17.4 million) must not allow this death of democracy to go unpunished. I implore everyone who voted leave or who is disgusted with the undemocratic way Parliament has acted to vote against their MP at the next election if they did not follow the mandate that the electorate AND especially their constituents gave to them. If you can't bring yourself to vote for a party you hate then please turn up but spoil your paper or vote for a fringe party. I have NEVER voted Tory in my life but the Tory MP in my area backed leave and no deal so will be getting my vote - no matter how it sits in my gut - democracy MUST prevail. Farrelly in Newcastle continues to treat his constituents with disdain. I don't live in the Newcastle constituency although I did go to the same school as Mr Farrelly
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 16, 2019 13:55:29 GMT
I've heard a lot of people say exactly that. As one who has taken a lot of interest in brexit I'm ready to 'tune out'. I'm that fucking disgusted with parliament now. I have a brother-in-law who has "tuned out". He is not interested in Brexit anymore, totally disgusted and doesn't want to hear another word. He doesn't watch UK news any more to avoid it and will watch CNN. I have ticked him off and told him he is falling for exactly what the remainers want him to do. To lose interest and not bother any longer. They will keep kicking the Brexit can down the road until the general public lose interest or "give in" and only those who are seen as extremists remain protesting about the lack of action to get us out. I apologize to Teresa May for saying "lack of action" as she has tried very hard. Unfortunately she chose to go down a middle compromise route. That will never work with the hard line United Europeans in Brussels, they have no intention of compromising or letting any country leave the EU without making them suffer and pay for it. If they allowed the UK to just walk away, they know other countries will follow. Don't compromise your principles or beliefs, stick to what you believe. So why did you vote a fervent remainer into power to lead you out of the EU?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 16, 2019 16:03:21 GMT
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