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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 14, 2019 22:09:04 GMT
Over 600 pages into this thread & we've still got arrogant Remain voters coming in here telling Leave voters they're a bunch of thickos who didn't know what they were voting for... Whilst simultaneously showing that they have no clue what they're talking about. It was mildly amusing the first few times but after three years of hearing it it's getting real old, real fast. You'd think they'd learn after spending the entire run-up to the referendum just yelling "uneducated, thicko, racist, bigot" at anyone who had the temerity to have a different opinion. It didn't work then & it isn't working now. All the while the 'powers that be' are getting away with shitting all over us... ALL of us. They're not just shitting all over Leave voters, they're shitting all over Remain voters aswell. Sadly far too many Remain voters are happy to turn a blind-eye to it for now 'cos it means they'll get their way. Don't kid yourselves though, if we let them get away with it now they'll do it again, and next time it just might be over something you vote for but 'they' know better & overrule you. But hey, you just keep ignoring it, keep thinking it wont happen, keep thinking we live in a democracy & these kind of things only happen in some far flung corner of the world. Wake the fuck up! And then they came for me Yes, this is far bigger than Brexit.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 14, 2019 22:09:37 GMT
Over 600 pages into this thread & we've still got arrogant Remain voters coming in here telling Leave voters they're a bunch of thickos who didn't know what they were voting for... Whilst simultaneously showing that they have no clue what they're talking about. It was mildly amusing the first few times but after three years of hearing it it's getting real old, real fast. You'd think they'd learn after spending the entire run-up to the referendum just yelling "uneducated, thicko, racist, bigot" at anyone who had the temerity to have a different opinion. It didn't work then & it isn't working now. All the while the 'powers that be' are getting away with shitting all over us... ALL of us. They're not just shitting all over Leave voters, they're shitting all over Remain voters aswell. Sadly far too many Remain voters are happy to turn a blind-eye to it for now 'cos it means they'll get their way. Don't kid yourselves though, if we let them get away with it now they'll do it again, and next time it just might be over something you vote for but 'they' know better & overrule you. But hey, you just keep ignoring it, keep thinking it wont happen, keep thinking we live in a democracy & these kind of things only happen in some far flung corner of the world. Wake the fuck up! And still overly-sensitive Brexiteers crying their eyes about being called "thicko" and "uneducated" despite the fact that no-one has actually called anyone those names (at least not between 2018 and the present day - I couldn't be arsed to go back any further). It seems if there is nothing to be offended by, making stuff up is the way to go. I'd hate to see what things would be like if they ever actually cancelled Brexit. I mean actually cancelled it, not pretend-cancelled like they have now.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 14, 2019 22:11:06 GMT
You never know. Her deal is like that fucker in Halloween; you just can't kill it! š
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 14, 2019 22:11:08 GMT
In 2007 the pound fell far further than 20% against the dollar. We were a fully functioning member of the EU then and I can't remember people complaining about how much poorer we were then. Ridiculous statement. Global recession and meltdown. You could equally argue that if we were not in the EU at that time the UK situation could have been worse. Or may have been better, you really don't know, you just swallow every bit of Project Fear as fact. It's a little like 'crashing out' 'cliff edge'. We were promised a modern day Armageddon if we voted to leave the EU, we're doing ok though all things considered
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 14, 2019 22:14:21 GMT
But Mayās cabinet splintered yet again and eight cabinet ministers, including the Brexit secretary, Steve Barclay, and leader of the house, Andrea Leadsom, voted against the governmentās motion extending article 50, preferring to keep the threat of no deal in place. In total, more than half of Tory MPs voted against the motion. Barclay wound up the debate for the government, saying: āIt is time for this house to act in the national interest, itās time to put forward an extension that is realisticā ā before trooping through the no lobby to reject that argument. Government sources insisted he was not intending to resign, despite his unprecedented action. Advertisement The shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, said: āThis evening the Brexit secretary voted against his governmentās own motion on Brexit, which earlier in the day he had defended in the House of Commons. Thatās the equivalent of the chancellor voting against his own budget. This is a government that has completely lost control.ā I'm amazed people still hang on every word any politician makes considering the almighty fuck up they've managed to make in nearly three years!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 14, 2019 22:15:01 GMT
In 2007 the pound fell far further than 20% against the dollar. We were a fully functioning member of the EU then and I can't remember people complaining about how much poorer we were then. Ridiculous statement. Global recession and meltdown. You could equally argue that if we were not in the EU at that time the UK situation could have been worse. In fairness, that was painted as armageddon, and we got through that.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 14, 2019 22:30:46 GMT
But Mayās cabinet splintered yet again and eight cabinet ministers, including the Brexit secretary, Steve Barclay, and leader of the house, Andrea Leadsom, voted against the governmentās motion extending article 50, preferring to keep the threat of no deal in place. In total, more than half of Tory MPs voted against the motion. Barclay wound up the debate for the government, saying: āIt is time for this house to act in the national interest, itās time to put forward an extension that is realisticā ā before trooping through the no lobby to reject that argument. Government sources insisted he was not intending to resign, despite his unprecedented action. Advertisement The shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, said: āThis evening the Brexit secretary voted against his governmentās own motion on Brexit, which earlier in the day he had defended in the House of Commons. Thatās the equivalent of the chancellor voting against his own budget. This is a government that has completely lost control.ā Quite inconceivable that Barclay could make that speach and then immediately go and vote the way he did. He's essentially said "hey everybody, I'm a fuckin' liar and I don't care what any of you think about it ... "
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 14, 2019 22:46:37 GMT
But Mayās cabinet splintered yet again and eight cabinet ministers, including the Brexit secretary, Steve Barclay, and leader of the house, Andrea Leadsom, voted against the governmentās motion extending article 50, preferring to keep the threat of no deal in place. In total, more than half of Tory MPs voted against the motion. Barclay wound up the debate for the government, saying: āIt is time for this house to act in the national interest, itās time to put forward an exten bysion that is realisticā ā before trooping through the no lobby to reject that argument. Government sources insisted he was not intending to resign, despite his unprecedented action. Advertisement The shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, said: āThis evening the Brexit secretary voted against his governmentās own motion on Brexit, which earlier in the day he had defended in the House of Commons. Thatās the equivalent of the chancellor voting against his own budget. This is a government that has completely lost control.ā Quite inconceivable that Barclay could make that speach and then immediately go and vote the way he did. He's essentially said "hey everybody, I'm a fuckin' liar and I don't care what any of you think about it ... " I used to think House Of Cards was far fetched, but now I am not so sure.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 14, 2019 22:47:13 GMT
Hungary, Poland or Italy to get us out with their veto on extension. Basically doing our government's job for them. We're out on the 29th. Won't be allowed to happen don't forget the EU court said we could unilatetally revoke A50, every fucking base is being covered this time can't have the oiks getting their way.
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Post by 828492 on Mar 14, 2019 22:54:14 GMT
But Mayās cabinet splintered yet again and eight cabinet ministers, including the Brexit secretary, Steve Barclay, and leader of the house, Andrea Leadsom, voted against the governmentās motion extending article 50, preferring to keep the threat of no deal in place. In total, more than half of Tory MPs voted against the motion. Barclay wound up the debate for the government, saying: āIt is time for this house to act in the national interest, itās time to put forward an extension that is realisticā ā before trooping through the no lobby to reject that argument. Government sources insisted he was not intending to resign, despite his unprecedented action. Advertisement The shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, said: āThis evening the Brexit secretary voted against his governmentās own motion on Brexit, which earlier in the day he had defended in the House of Commons. Thatās the equivalent of the chancellor voting against his own budget. This is a government that has completely lost control.ā Quite inconceivable that Barclay could make that speach and then immediately go and vote the way he did. He's essentially said "hey everybody, I'm a fuckin' liar and I don't care what any of you think about it ... " As the great Claud Cockburn used to say, āWhenever you hear a politcian speaking ask yourself the question, āWhy is this bastard lying to me?āā
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Post by lordb on Mar 14, 2019 23:25:54 GMT
Quite inconceivable that Barclay could make that speach and then immediately go and vote the way he did. He's essentially said "hey everybody, I'm a fuckin' liar and I don't care what any of you think about it ... " As the great Claud Cockburn used to say, āWhenever you hear a politcian speaking ask yourself the question, āWhy is this bastard lying to me?āā Robin Cook was murdered for telling the truth.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 23:30:18 GMT
Over 600 pages into this thread & we've still got arrogant Remain voters coming in here telling Leave voters they're a bunch of thickos who didn't know what they were voting for... Whilst simultaneously showing that they have no clue what they're talking about. It was mildly amusing the first few times but after three years of hearing it it's getting real old, real fast. You'd think they'd learn after spending the entire run-up to the referendum just yelling "uneducated, thicko, racist, bigot" at anyone who had the temerity to have a different opinion. It didn't work then & it isn't working now. All the while the 'powers that be' are getting away with shitting all over us... ALL of us. They're not just shitting all over Leave voters, they're shitting all over Remain voters aswell. Sadly far too many Remain voters are happy to turn a blind-eye to it for now 'cos it means they'll get their way. Don't kid yourselves though, if we let them get away with it now they'll do it again, and next time it just might be over something you vote for but 'they' know better & overrule you. But hey, you just keep ignoring it, keep thinking it wont happen, keep thinking we live in a democracy & these kind of things only happen in some far flung corner of the world. Wake the fuck up! And still overly-sensitive Brexiteers crying their eyes about being called "thicko" and "uneducated" despite the fact that no-one has actually called anyone those names (at least not between 2018 and the present day - I couldn't be arsed to go back any further). It seems if there is nothing to be offended by, making stuff up is the way to go. I'd hate to see what things would be like if they ever actually cancelled Brexit. I mean actually cancelled it, not pretend-cancelled like they have now. I think you may well get your wish 17.4 m people will be seriously pissed when it happens many of them Labour voters, our democracy is on the line here and people know that and there will be a reaction.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 14, 2019 23:43:29 GMT
Fuck me, the Question Time audience has been doctored again! How the fuck did Leave win?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 14, 2019 23:47:35 GMT
Fuck me, the Question Time audience has been doctored again! How the fuck did Leave win? London audience, innit.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 15, 2019 6:17:47 GMT
But Mayās cabinet splintered yet again and eight cabinet ministers, including the Brexit secretary, Steve Barclay, and leader of the house, Andrea Leadsom, voted against the governmentās motion extending article 50, preferring to keep the threat of no deal in place. In total, more than half of Tory MPs voted against the motion. Barclay wound up the debate for the government, saying: āIt is time for this house to act in the national interest, itās time to put forward an extension that is realisticā ā before trooping through the no lobby to reject that argument. Government sources insisted he was not intending to resign, despite his unprecedented action. Advertisement The shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, said: āThis evening the Brexit secretary voted against his governmentās own motion on Brexit, which earlier in the day he had defended in the House of Commons. Thatās the equivalent of the chancellor voting against his own budget. This is a government that has completely lost control.ā Quite inconceivable that Barclay could make that speach and then immediately go and vote the way he did. He's essentially said "hey everybody, I'm a fuckin' liar and I don't care what any of you think about it ... " Just as chairman corbynski has advocated a second referendum for the past year then yesterday voted against it and ordered his own clowns to vote likewise. You could go on and on with this circus Paul.........the PM has stated from the onset that a no deal is better than a bad deal then votes to remove it from the negotiating table...........parliament votes down PMs WA then votes against a no deal leaving us in the weakest negotiating position possible..........Parliament is scathing of the governmentās handling of Brexit negoations but is shit scared to vote taking charge of the proceedings...........then to prolong their own entertainment, power struggle, London expenses claims etc etc they vote for an A50 extension. Iām committed to Brexit and have been since the Maastricht and Lisbon treaty fiascos, but this current bunch of spineless politicians across all parties makes me weep in despair.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Mar 15, 2019 6:27:40 GMT
Iām so fucking embarrassed with our parliament right now. How many more votes for this and that?
The decision was leave, 650 MPs were effectively charged to deliver with the best deal possible but all they do is point score & cause mayhem. The EU are also culpable, they fear the idea that a member can walk away without punishment as others will likely follow.
Democracy is dead & as such, anarchy will likely follow. š”š”š”š”š”š”
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 15, 2019 7:34:09 GMT
So..... what now for Brexit? Does anyone think it has been a good thing so far!?
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Post by Northy on Mar 15, 2019 7:57:32 GMT
So..... what now for Brexit? Does anyone think it has been a good thing so far!? Once we leave and settle down as a nation will be the time to ask that question?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 8:03:25 GMT
So..... what now for Brexit? Does anyone think it has been a good thing so far!? It's got people interested in politics again, it's slowly showing up a few celebrities (both inside and outside the house of commons) for what they really are, it's helping people to choose "who not to vote for next time". I can't think of many other positives from it, the fact it's going to be extended and we'll get a few more months / years of this doesn't sound very appealing either.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 15, 2019 8:39:18 GMT
So..... what now for Brexit? Does anyone think it has been a good thing so far!? Once we leave and settle down as a antion will be the time to ask that question? But, so far, to date, has the referendum been good or bad for this country!? I am joking of course. No sane person could seriously justify that it has been good, so far. Thatās why you dodged the question.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 15, 2019 8:40:02 GMT
So..... what now for Brexit? Does anyone think it has been a good thing so far!? It's got people interested in politics again, it's slowly showing up a few celebrities (both inside and outside the house of commons) for what they really are, it's helping people to choose "who not to vote for next time". I can't think of many other positives from it, the fact it's going to be extended and we'll get a few more months / years of this doesn't sound very appealing either. Has it though? Or has it for some fuelled extreme views and for others made them completely disillusioned with politics.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 15, 2019 8:40:26 GMT
So..... what now for Brexit? Does anyone think it has been a good thing so far!? It's got people interested in politics again, it's slowly showing up a few celebrities (both inside and outside the house of commons) for what they really are, it's helping people to choose "who not to vote for next time". I can't think of many other positives from it, the fact it's going to be extended and we'll get a few more months / years of this doesn't sound very appealing either. Fair point - it's certainly revealing politicians in their true light i.e. incompetent. Even now some are trying to blame Brussels for their own shortcomings - I always thought it would be very ironic if our last act with the EU would be to blame them for the shortcomings of our own politicians. End as you always went on. The next general election will be very interesting, now we've seen a lot more how parliament works.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 15, 2019 8:55:19 GMT
Iām so fucking embarrassed with our parliament right now. How many more votes for this and that? The decision was leave, 650 MPs were effectively charged to deliver with the best deal possible but all they do is point score & cause mayhem. The EU are also culpable, they fear the idea that a member can walk away without punishment as others will likely follow. Democracy is dead & as such, anarchy will likely follow. š”š”š”š”š”š” Parliament has been wank. The EU has done a very good job of putting any culpability they had onto parliament as well. These fuckers are going to get a good hiding at the next general election Forget about manifestos. Blair rose to power on the back of Tory sleaze. Cameron got in on the back of expenses and the crash. The next election will go along which cunts tried to disrail brexit
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 9:10:48 GMT
It's got people interested in politics again, it's slowly showing up a few celebrities (both inside and outside the house of commons) for what they really are, it's helping people to choose "who not to vote for next time". I can't think of many other positives from it, the fact it's going to be extended and we'll get a few more months / years of this doesn't sound very appealing either. Has it though? Or has it for some fuelled extreme views and for others made them completely disillusioned with politics. You're not wrong, without a doubt it has fuelled some extreme views - but we can't deny that these views exist amongst the population, and these views were not represented in the house of commons. UKIP got nearly 4,000,000 votes in 2015 but ended up with one seat in parliament, whilst personally I don't agree with a lot of their views we still need them to be expressed in parliament to give balance. It's totally understandable that people are frustrated, and that frustration was displayed with great effect in the referendum. We've been a two party country for far too long, the current setup tends to result in one party having power and the rest of the government voting against them (whether they agree with their policies or not) just to score political points. I think we'd be far better off with many smaller parties that were closer aligned to the views of their politicians than them being part of parties where they agree with only a small part of the policy yet a whip is enforced and they have to tow the party line. They should be in government because they care about changing things for the better, they should work together with other like minded people regardless of the party they are aligned to, and they should represent the people. The best thing that can happen as a result of Brexit in my opinion would be a drastic reform of the political system, what Brexit has clearly shown is that the current political system is not working, the people are not being properly represented and it has to change.
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Post by yeokel on Mar 15, 2019 9:36:29 GMT
For educated read brainwashed , things have changed a lot in the 43 years since we joined the common market maybe that is why people voted the way they did !, you losers will have your turn to turn over the result in another 43 years just be patient it won't seem that long If we leave you'll be a 'loser' too, if you go on your holidays outside of the UK or buy anything from outside the UK you're already a loser too, it's costing you over 20% more than it was before the referendum. Has your wage gone up by the same amount? or your pension? I doubt it. What's for certain is that we're all already poorer because of the decision, huge amounts of money and time have already been spent on Brexit by the government - time and money that could have gone to improving the lives of people in this country, and it's potentially going to get worse. But Brexit means Brexit, it's the peoples will to be poorer, we voted leave, leave means leave... ātime and money that could have gone to improving the lives of people in this countryā If āRemain had won, we would still have āCall me Daveā as PM, Osbourne as Chancellor & probably Theresa May as Home Sec. Tell me whose lives you think would have been improved with that lot in power?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 9:45:49 GMT
Iām so fucking embarrassed with our parliament right now. How many more votes for this and that? The decision was leave, 650 MPs were effectively charged to deliver with the best deal possible but all they do is point score & cause mayhem. The EU are also culpable, they fear the idea that a member can walk away without punishment as others will likely follow. Democracy is dead & as such, anarchy will likely follow. š”š”š”š”š”š” Parliament has been wank. The EU has done a very good job of putting any culpability they had onto parliament as well. These fuckers are going to get a good hiding at the next general election Forget about manifestos. Blair rose to power on the back of Tory sleaze. Cameron got in on the back of expenses and the crash. The next election will go along which cunts tried to disrail brexit I agree it's been a complete shitfest. But who else is there to vote for to teach these shysters a lesson ? They're all as bad as each other for the most part.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 15, 2019 10:12:37 GMT
Parliament has been wank. The EU has done a very good job of putting any culpability they had onto parliament as well. These fuckers are going to get a good hiding at the next general election Forget about manifestos. Blair rose to power on the back of Tory sleaze. Cameron got in on the back of expenses and the crash. The next election will go along which cunts tried to disrail brexit I agree it's been a complete shitfest. But who else is there to vote for to teach these shysters a lesson ? They're all as bad as each other for the most part. Well any delay means we may have to vote in the European Parliament Elections. UKIP need to start their strategy for this now. Along the lines of Your Tory party has failed you over Brexit. Your Labour Party has failed you over Brexit. CHANGE YOUR PARTY FOR ONE VOTE. vote UKIP. Let them now how angry you are. Donāt waste your further chance to show parliament you want Brexit. Something along those lines
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Post by Davef on Mar 15, 2019 10:15:52 GMT
I agree it's been a complete shitfest. But who else is there to vote for to teach these shysters a lesson ? They're all as bad as each other for the most part. Well any delay means we may have to vote in the European Parliament Elections. UKIP need to start their strategy for this now. Along the lines of Your Tory party has failed you over Brexit. Your Labour Party has failed you over Brexit. CHANGE YOUR PARTY FOR ONE VOTE. vote UKIP. Let them now how angry you are. Donāt waste your further chance to show parliament you want Brexit. Something along those lines People turning out to vote in European elections? That'd be a change.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 15, 2019 10:25:56 GMT
Well any delay means we may have to vote in the European Parliament Elections. UKIP need to start their strategy for this now. Along the lines of Your Tory party has failed you over Brexit. Your Labour Party has failed you over Brexit. CHANGE YOUR PARTY FOR ONE VOTE. vote UKIP. Let them now how angry you are. Donāt waste your further chance to show parliament you want Brexit. Something along those lines People turning out to vote in European elections? That'd be a change. yep novel. But it wouldāve the strategy I would implement if I was UKIP. Dont bother with manifestos and pledges you canāt honour. Do it as a none of the above option like Richard Pryor It doesnāt matter about turnout same as any other euro election but it would increase UKIP seats and send a message
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 15, 2019 10:30:24 GMT
Well any delay means we may have to vote in the European Parliament Elections. UKIP need to start their strategy for this now. Along the lines of Your Tory party has failed you over Brexit. Your Labour Party has failed you over Brexit. CHANGE YOUR PARTY FOR ONE VOTE. vote UKIP. Let them now how angry you are. Donāt waste your further chance to show parliament you want Brexit. Something along those lines People turning out to vote in European elections? That'd be a change. For me Dave you have hit upon a real anomaly there Dave that exposes the weakness of the argument for staying in the EU, the blind unquestioning acceptance of the project and the paucity of the Remainer arguments pre and post referendum. If the EU is so important , do central to our future in the minds ,hearts and politics of British people why isn't the turn out at least 10 or 15% higher? Also why do at least a third of those who do turn out, do do to oppose the Project. Why do we need elections if the pretence is that it is all about trade. The British people never have and never will accept "control" ( and however it is dressed up, that's what it is) from remote , largely " foreign" bureacrats in Brussels... .and in the case of many working class people who were accused of " not understanding the question"...that is all they need to know,having more awareness than the talking head socialists. The referendum gave them a chance to express how they felt. They know that the Political distance between themselves and the decision makers renders voting pointless, unless you have a Eurosceptic point to make. Voting in the EU elections simply gives lip service to democracy and licence to let others decide for us through the transference of sovereignty.
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