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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 14, 2019 20:14:43 GMT
Voted for an extension?
And so it begins.
Every single straw will be clutched in order to ensure we don’t leave.
Just shows what a pointless waste of time voting is, it’s more scripted than the WWE.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 20:15:01 GMT
There's the Leave march from Sunderland to the House of Conmen - 16th to 29th March I think. I've seen that all east coast and they want £50 off you to be a marcher. If you pay in dollars would it be 20% cheaper because of Brexit ?  |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 20:17:08 GMT
Yeh whatever, there are losers and there are sore losers, part of life is learning is to take defeat gracefully ! not to behave like a spoilt brat who has had it's toy's removed kicking and screaming until Mummy gives in. I voted remain but I've already Brexited, I left the UK last year so it's not my problem anymore. I decided to try living abroad as I'd had enough of politics in the UK and I don't want to be paying the price of Brexit for the rest of my life, there are more important things to focus on, with UK politics you can never win.  where have you relocated to mate. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 20:17:35 GMT
This is project fear in it's finery, one of the major reasons Brexit happened is because for years people in the UK have thought their lives could be improved but all of a sudden it's because of Brexit their lives still haven't improved. Nice logic  Yes. Quite right. Brexit happened because people think that Brexit will improve their lives. It might, perhaps one day the UK will be better off because of it (depending on 'the deal' of course), but how long will that day take to come? 10 years? 50? 100? nobody knows. What's pretty clear is that day when everything is better isn't going to be any time soon, it might not even be within our lifetimes. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 20:23:18 GMT
I voted remain but I've already Brexited, I left the UK last year so it's not my problem anymore. I decided to try living abroad as I'd had enough of politics in the UK and I don't want to be paying the price of Brexit for the rest of my life, there are more important things to focus on, with UK politics you can never win. where have you relocated to mate. Outside the EU funnily enough, but bang smack in the centre of the EU... Switzerland. So far so good, its not perfect but it makes a nice change. I hope Brexit does work out as I believe many people voted for it in good faith, and because they believed things could be better, but at the moment I can't see any scenario where it makes sense in the short to medium term. |
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 14, 2019 20:29:04 GMT
Yes. Quite right. Brexit happened because people think that Brexit will improve their lives. It might, perhaps one day the UK will be better off because of it (depending on 'the deal' of course), but how long will that day take to come? 10 years? 50? 100? nobody knows. What's pretty clear is that day when everything is better isn't going to be any time soon, it might not even be within our lifetimes. I didn't say I agree with the reason gudjon ... I said that's why it happened. For some reason millions of working class people think that being out of the EU will improve their lives. Just how and when is a complete mystery. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 14, 2019 20:29:18 GMT
Is that the same for all results in life, like an election, or a horse race, or a football match etc. etc. etc., I am pretty sure if it had gone the way the majority expected there would have been very little response as the establishment and the whinging whining snowflakes would have got their own way, this has not just been complaining it has been constant mard arseing, crying, fear mongering and deliberate obstruction of the wishes of the majority of voters who could be bothered to vote. UK Democracy is as dead as the Norwegian Blue parrot in the monty python sketch, the only reason it is still visually on the perch is the fact that it has been nailed on. Honestly mate if it had gone the other way I think the Conservative party would have eventually collapsed and who knows what would have come next. As previously stated I'm a Remainer but I do support leaving March 29th because as you note that was what this was all about. Anyone who voted to leave accepted a Hard Brexit was a possibility and was fine with it, otherwise they should have voted Remain. And likewise anybody who voted to trigger Article 50 knew it was a possibility. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 14, 2019 20:30:49 GMT
The remainers on here seem strangely quite the vote for a second referendum was blown out of the water Even there knight in rusty armour sir jezza of fence sitting Decided to to keep on parking his arse And guess what even if got off his fence found his balls to vote for something he would still be roundly beaten Parliament does not have a majority for a second referendum Quite right there's no parliamentary majority for a second referendum and there isn't one for No Deal either, so take both off the table? Why wasn't parliament offered a Canada deal to vote on? |
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Post by Northy on Mar 14, 2019 20:32:05 GMT
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Post by henry on Mar 14, 2019 20:34:05 GMT
I'm sick of the mantra that leaving the EU is "crashing out" We're not exactly gracefully gliding out are we, a car crash doesn't quite cover the mess made of it so far. Correct, we should be gracefully just LEAVING the EU at the end of the month, as per decided by the people. |
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 14, 2019 20:35:22 GMT
This is project fear in it's finery, one of the major reasons Brexit happened is because for years people in the UK have thought their lives could be improved but all of a sudden it's because of Brexit their lives still haven't improved. Nice logic But the pound is down against the dollar by about 20% is it not? compared to where it was before we had the referendum. That's not project fear, it's a fact, it's real life. People are already poorer and we haven't even left yet. In 2007 the pound fell far further than 20% against the dollar. We were a fully functioning member of the EU then and I can't remember people complaining about how much poorer we were then. |
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 14, 2019 20:37:29 GMT
This is project fear in it's finery, one of the major reasons Brexit happened is because for years people in the UK have thought their lives could be improved but all of a sudden it's because of Brexit their lives still haven't improved. Nice logic Yes. Quite right. Brexit happened because people think that Brexit will improve their lives. A bit of a radical thought, but maybe it will |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Mar 14, 2019 20:39:53 GMT
Over 600 pages into this thread & we've still got arrogant Remain voters coming in here telling Leave voters they're a bunch of thickos who didn't know what they were voting for... Whilst simultaneously showing that they have no clue what they're talking about. It was mildly amusing the first few times but after three years of hearing it it's getting real old, real fast.
You'd think they'd learn after spending the entire run-up to the referendum just yelling "uneducated, thicko, racist, bigot" at anyone who had the temerity to have a different opinion. It didn't work then & it isn't working now.
All the while the 'powers that be' are getting away with shitting all over us... ALL of us. They're not just shitting all over Leave voters, they're shitting all over Remain voters aswell. Sadly far too many Remain voters are happy to turn a blind-eye to it for now 'cos it means they'll get their way. Don't kid yourselves though, if we let them get away with it now they'll do it again, and next time it just might be over something you vote for but 'they' know better & overrule you.
But hey, you just keep ignoring it, keep thinking it wont happen, keep thinking we live in a democracy & these kind of things only happen in some far flung corner of the world.
Wake the fuck up!
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Post by salopstick on Mar 14, 2019 20:41:42 GMT
Over 600 pages into this thread & we've still got arrogant Remain voters coming in here telling Leave voters they're a bunch of thickos who didn't know what they were voting for... Whilst simultaneously showing that they have no clue what they're talking about. It was mildly amusing the first few times but after three years of hearing it it's getting real old, real fast. You'd think they'd learn after spending the entire run-up to the referendum just yelling "uneducated, thicko, racist, bigot" at anyone who had the temerity to have a different opinion. It didn't work then & it isn't working now. All the while the 'powers that be' are getting away with shitting all over us... ALL of us. They're not just shitting all over Leave voters, they're shitting all over Remain voters aswell. Sadly far too many Remain voters are happy to turn a blind-eye to it for now 'cos it means they'll get their way. Don't kid yourselves though, if we let them get away with it now they'll do it again, and next time it just might be over something you vote for but 'they' know better & overrule you. But hey, you just keep ignoring it, keep thinking it wont happen, keep thinking we live in a democracy & these kind of things only happen in some far flung corner of the world. Wake the fuck up! And then they came for me |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 20:46:23 GMT
where have you relocated to mate. Outside the EU funnily enough, but bang smack in the centre of the EU... Switzerland. So far so good, its not perfect but it makes a nice change. I hope Brexit does work out as I believe many people voted for it in good faith, and because they believed things could be better, but at the moment I can't see any scenario where it makes sense in the short to medium term. How much for a pint of Bass is it out there ? |
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Post by Northy on Mar 14, 2019 20:54:34 GMT
Ruth Smeeth has resigned from Corbyns front bench, apparently against their policy on Brexit and the EU
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 14, 2019 20:57:42 GMT
Yes. Quite right. Brexit happened because people think that Brexit will improve their lives. A bit of a radical thought, but maybe it will I'd love know how numpty. |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 14, 2019 21:01:37 GMT
Over 600 pages into this thread & we've still got arrogant Remain voters coming in here telling Leave voters they're a bunch of thickos who didn't know what they were voting for... Whilst simultaneously showing that they have no clue what they're talking about. It was mildly amusing the first few times but after three years of hearing it it's getting real old, real fast. You'd think they'd learn after spending the entire run-up to the referendum just yelling "uneducated, thicko, racist, bigot" at anyone who had the temerity to have a different opinion. It didn't work then & it isn't working now. All the while the 'powers that be' are getting away with shitting all over us... ALL of us. They're not just shitting all over Leave voters, they're shitting all over Remain voters aswell. Sadly far too many Remain voters are happy to turn a blind-eye to it for now 'cos it means they'll get their way. Don't kid yourselves though, if we let them get away with it now they'll do it again, and next time it just might be over something you vote for but 'they' know better & overrule you. But hey, you just keep ignoring it, keep thinking it wont happen, keep thinking we live in a democracy & these kind of things only happen in some far flung corner of the world. Wake the fuck up! I ask again-is Brexit not an exercise in giving those powers-that-be you despise more power ?
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 14, 2019 21:04:00 GMT
A bit of a radical thought, but maybe it will I'd love know how numpty. One of the best analogies I've read on here was when someone compared leaving the EU to leaving home for the first time. A bit scarey at first but when you find your feet you go from strength to strength |
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Post by Northy on Mar 14, 2019 21:06:18 GMT
Over 600 pages into this thread & we've still got arrogant Remain voters coming in here telling Leave voters they're a bunch of thickos who didn't know what they were voting for... Whilst simultaneously showing that they have no clue what they're talking about. It was mildly amusing the first few times but after three years of hearing it it's getting real old, real fast. You'd think they'd learn after spending the entire run-up to the referendum just yelling "uneducated, thicko, racist, bigot" at anyone who had the temerity to have a different opinion. It didn't work then & it isn't working now. All the while the 'powers that be' are getting away with shitting all over us... ALL of us. They're not just shitting all over Leave voters, they're shitting all over Remain voters aswell. Sadly far too many Remain voters are happy to turn a blind-eye to it for now 'cos it means they'll get their way. Don't kid yourselves though, if we let them get away with it now they'll do it again, and next time it just might be over something you vote for but 'they' know better & overrule you. But hey, you just keep ignoring it, keep thinking it wont happen, keep thinking we live in a democracy & these kind of things only happen in some far flung corner of the world. Wake the fuck up! I ask again-is Brexit not an exercise in giving those powers-that-be you despise more power ?
At least they can be voted out |
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Post by Northy on Mar 14, 2019 21:15:08 GMT
Parliament in session
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 14, 2019 21:16:45 GMT
Quite right there's no parliamentary majority for a second referendum and there isn't one for No Deal either, so take both off the table? Why wasn't parliament offered a Canada deal to vote on? Somebody on the BBC yesterday said the Canada deal was only for the Great Britain and not the entire United Kingdom, so apparently our old friend the Irish border was the problem. As the PM is the PM for the UK, May pretty had no option but to reject it. Even less so because the DUP are her life-support machine. I've got no idea who it was who said it, as the TV was on in the background and I wasn't concentrating that much. I haven't looked into it in any more detail, but you've just reminded that I was meaning to put that on here for discussion. |
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 14, 2019 21:16:50 GMT
I'd love know how numpty. One of the best analogies I've read on here was when someone compared leaving the EU to leaving home for the first time. A bit scarey at first but when you find your feet you go from strength to strength Fine words. But still doesn't answer the question. |
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 14, 2019 21:32:06 GMT
But the pound is down against the dollar by about 20% is it not? compared to where it was before we had the referendum. That's not project fear, it's a fact, it's real life. People are already poorer and we haven't even left yet. In 2007 the pound fell far further than 20% against the dollar. We were a fully functioning member of the EU then and I can't remember people complaining about how much poorer we were then. Ridiculous statement. Global recession and meltdown. You could equally argue that if we were not in the EU at that time the UK situation could have been worse. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 14, 2019 21:35:10 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 14, 2019 21:51:28 GMT
Why wasn't parliament offered a Canada deal to vote on? Somebody on the BBC yesterday said the Canada deal was only for the Great Britain and not the entire United Kingdom, so apparently our old friend the Irish border was the problem. As the PM is the PM for the UK, May pretty had no option but to reject it. Even less so because the DUP are her life-support machine. I've got no idea who it was who said it, as the TV was on in the background and I wasn't concentrating that much. I haven't looked into it in any more detail, but you've just reminded that I was meaning to put that on here for discussion. I thought it might be because of Ireland, but how come Donald Tusk said it was on offer? I smell a big, dirty rat. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 14, 2019 21:59:37 GMT
In 2007 the pound fell far further than 20% against the dollar. We were a fully functioning member of the EU then and I can't remember people complaining about how much poorer we were then. Ridiculous statement. Global recession and meltdown. You could equally argue that if we were not in the EU at that time the UK situation could have been worse. Did they buy all our gold reserves from gormless Gordon at a knock down price ? |
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Post by 4372 on Mar 14, 2019 22:01:39 GMT
But May’s cabinet splintered yet again and eight cabinet ministers, including the Brexit secretary, Steve Barclay, and leader of the house, Andrea Leadsom, voted against the government’s motion extending article 50, preferring to keep the threat of no deal in place. In total, more than half of Tory MPs voted against the motion.
Barclay wound up the debate for the government, saying: “It is time for this house to act in the national interest, it’s time to put forward an extension that is realistic” – before trooping through the no lobby to reject that argument. Government sources insisted he was not intending to resign, despite his unprecedented action.
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The shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, said: “This evening the Brexit secretary voted against his government’s own motion on Brexit, which earlier in the day he had defended in the House of Commons. That’s the equivalent of the chancellor voting against his own budget. This is a government that has completely lost control.”
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 14, 2019 22:02:24 GMT
Ruth Smeeth has resigned from Corbyns front bench, apparently against their policy on Brexit and the EU Where’s Essex and his another one bites the dust video |
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Post by Gods on Mar 14, 2019 22:07:05 GMT
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where have you relocated to mate.
