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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 29, 2018 12:39:48 GMT
Of course it was an absolutely clear question that some Leavers did not understand and are now trying to undermine. Did you know what you were voting for? Yes of course. As did you. As did everyone. Leave or Remain? The only question on the ballot paper. I sense (and i may well be wrong again) that most people now prefer the May Deal to any other alternative. I won't get what I want, and the more extreme leavers won't get what they want either. But the May Deal may offer an end to all this, and that may be a tempting thought for many people. May's deal isn't Brexit though , just BRINO..... although some of the debate is to try to convince us otherwise....you know , keep saying the same thing to wear people down, even if we know it isn't true. I'm pleased that you understood the question .
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 29, 2018 13:29:33 GMT
We can leave the EU but we can`t leave Europe,and with the need to reduce the carbon footprint on all trade surely to shop local is the most commonsense approach to trade. Hopefully our politicians honour the result & we do indeed leave the EU. Yes you're right, we can't leave Europe because it is a geographical area, rather than a political organisation, no-one has ever suggested otherwise. (Apart from some Remoaners who struggle to understand the difference between the EU & Europe) Yes, you're right again, trading with Europe is a good thing... We don't need them to rule over us to trade with them though. Fair play to you too but millions didn't. I know someone who voted leave purely because he hates Cameron, someone else else because they wanted Farage as Prime minister and so on. Indeed. We saw plenty of examples on this very forum in the build-up to the referendum where people said things along the lines of "Well if that wanker Farage wants us to leave, that's all I need to hear to vote Remain". If you think being part of the EU is being ruled over i beg to differ,we had a say in (10% of votes) all decision, now when we had a empire those countries were RULED OVER?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 29, 2018 17:07:21 GMT
I think Cameron was daft to call the vote,i also believe a lot of the out vote was a protest against the U.K. political system and a referendum was a clear way to show the government of this discontent,i personally believe the outcome of leaving the EU will be one we as a country will regret for many years if we do not keep the closest possible ties. We can leave the EU but we can`t leave Europe,and with the need to reduce the carbon footprint on all trade surely to shop local is the most commonsense approach to trade. David Cameron didn't "call the vote". The House of Commons voted 544 to 53 to offer a referendum on continued EU membership. Five hundred and forty four to fifty three.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 29, 2018 17:14:33 GMT
I didn't vote as a protest against UK politics.... I voted because I wanted out of the EU, simple as that. Same here ! Same for me and the bus obvs
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Post by 4372 on Dec 29, 2018 18:10:58 GMT
If you want out of the EU, simple as that,you are presumably happy enough with the May Deal?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 29, 2018 20:45:18 GMT
A message from one of our representatives in the EU Parliament
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 29, 2018 21:00:42 GMT
Alternative perspective on " crashing out" and " cliff Edge". The media could be telling us about this one, but it is not in their interests to do so. And some don't want to believe it.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 29, 2018 22:21:24 GMT
Alternative perspective on " crashing out" and " cliff Edge". The media could be telling us about this one, but it is not in their interests to do so. And some don't want to believe it. Reassuring that at least they have not been negligent in not planning, its clear the brexit being pushed is the one business prefers if they cant stop it all together, once this becomes more widely known support for no deal will just grow and grow.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 30, 2018 15:33:13 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 30, 2018 15:34:52 GMT
Dee It is the Remainers job to tell Leavers why we voted. Even though they don't seem to understand the purpose of the EU and the ballot question, they know best. I wonder why a protest vote equates to voting Leave , not Remain? A protest is hardly a protest if the protesters are chanting: “What do we want?” “More of the same” “When do we want it?” “Now”
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 30, 2018 15:37:57 GMT
Dee It is the Remainers job to tell Leavers why we voted. Even though they don't seem to understand the purpose of the EU and the ballot question, they know best. I wonder why a protest vote equates to voting Leave , not Remain? A protest is hardly a protest if the protesters are chanting: “What do we want?” “More of the same” “When do we want it?” “Now” Perhaps having experienced the same they quite rightly wanted a change.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 30, 2018 15:38:07 GMT
I didn't vote as a protest against UK politics.... I voted because I wanted out of the EU, simple as that. We know what you voted against. But what did you vote for? What changes to the current set of laws and administration did you vote for? And what in relation to that was on the ballot paper? Nothing Hence the need to find out what the public actually want, rather than what they don’t want.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 30, 2018 15:39:25 GMT
A protest is hardly a protest if the protesters are chanting: “What do we want?” “More of the same” “When do we want it?” “Now” Perhaps having experienced the same they quite rightly wanted a change. But a change to what exactly? May’s deal presumably? Or else what? There was absolutely no direction whatsoever about that on the ballot paper.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 30, 2018 15:44:40 GMT
Perhaps having experienced the same they quite rightly wanted a change. But a change to what exactly? May’s deal presumably? Or else what? There was absolutely no direction whatsoever about that on the ballot paper. [/quote Leave the EU ( I'm not doing the usual circles. The question was clear. If you did not understand it, you should have clarified it before the vote, not afterwards. The rest is just the arrogance of undermining the result because you can't get your own way....a bit like this chap.... )
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 30, 2018 16:08:08 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 30, 2018 16:16:49 GMT
I didn't vote as a protest against UK politics.... I voted because I wanted out of the EU, simple as that. We know what you voted against. But what did you vote for? What changes to the current set of laws and administration did you vote for? And what in relation to that was on the ballot paper? Nothing Hence the need to find out what the public actually want, rather than what they don’t want. Don’t try and tell me what I voted for. You just focus on why the EU is so great, there’s a good chap.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 30, 2018 23:25:49 GMT
But a change to what exactly? May’s deal presumably? Or else what? There was absolutely no direction whatsoever about that on the ballot paper. [/quote Leave the EU ( I'm not doing the usual circles. The question was clear. If you did not understand it, you should have clarified it before the vote, not afterwards. The rest is just the arrogance of undermining the result because you can't get your own way....a bit like this chap.... ) Can I have some detail? Or are you saying that before the vote you wanted precisely what May is proposing and that all leave voters knew that?
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 30, 2018 23:32:53 GMT
We know what you voted against. But what did you vote for? What changes to the current set of laws and administration did you vote for? And what in relation to that was on the ballot paper? Nothing Hence the need to find out what the public actually want, rather than what they don’t want. Don’t try and tell me what I voted for. You just focus on why the EU is so great, there’s a good chap. I am not telling you what you voted for as nobody knows yet because we still don’t even know what the withdrawal agreement is let alone the future relationship. If you know, can you please let the politicians know as it will save our economy countless billions. There’s a good chap.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Dec 31, 2018 5:33:45 GMT
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Post by maxplonk on Dec 31, 2018 7:49:44 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 31, 2018 8:03:12 GMT
We didn’t survive and win two world wars by taking it up the arse by the Germans on a daily basis as we currently do So what point are you trying to make
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 31, 2018 9:56:15 GMT
We’re the deluded children of the 50’s 60’s 70’s... Nobody on here has the right to bang on about the 1st & 2nd WW I shouldn’t imagine many on here have seen any military action, never mind taken any shots in anger. We simply don’t have the infrastructure to go it alone in the World, we’re not all that 🇬🇧
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Post by maxplonk on Dec 31, 2018 10:19:26 GMT
We didn’t survive and win two world wars by taking it up the arse by the Germans on a daily basis as we currently do So what point are you trying to make Sighs. We do not currently "take it up the arse by the Germans on a daily basis", and I don't remember hearing anything like that back in 2016 as a reason to leave. But either the wonderful British government is trying to pull a fast one and push through a no-deal BREXIT; or is wasting a lot of money on unnecessary contingencies which could be put to much better and more urgent use than trying to make May's deal (which nobody likes or wants) more palatable, even though this last option will mean less control (they promised Brexit would take back control, remember?), less money (they promised you'd all be better off after BREXIT, remember?), and more money for the NHS in particular (the NHS employees at all levels are crying out about it's current state and how it is getting worse because of Brexit)! Clear and succinct enough for you?
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Post by Northy on Dec 31, 2018 10:22:11 GMT
From the link you provided, sounds like thier plans are well down the line, so maybe there is something better than starting from scratch? : - In a statement, the company said it had been working since 2017 on plans to reintroduce ferry sailings from Ramsgate from early 2019. The business has been 'financed by the shareholders' during a development phase involving 'locating suitable vessels, making arrangements with the ports of Ostend and Ramsgate, building the infrastructure - such as bunkering - as well as crewing the ferries once they start operating'.It added: 'It was intended to start the service in mid-February but this has now been delayed until late March for operational reasons.
French firm Brittany Ferries and Danish company DFDS will also receive public money to run ferry services across the Channel. 2 other EU comapnies who run ferries have also been given contracts to help Brexit lets see how it pans out
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 31, 2018 10:45:25 GMT
From the link you provided, sounds like thier plans are well down the line, so maybe there is something better than starting from scratch? : - In a statement, the company said it had been working since 2017 on plans to reintroduce ferry sailings from Ramsgate from early 2019. The business has been 'financed by the shareholders' during a development phase involving 'locating suitable vessels, making arrangements with the ports of Ostend and Ramsgate, building the infrastructure - such as bunkering - as well as crewing the ferries once they start operating'.It added: 'It was intended to start the service in mid-February but this has now been delayed until late March for operational reasons.
French firm Brittany Ferries and Danish company DFDS will also receive public money to run ferry services across the Channel. 2 other EU comapnies who run ferries have also been given contracts to help Brexit lets see how it pans out It’ll be panning out like this. British tax payers funding independent businesses to build ferris abroad & foreign companies taking subsidies to ship in European products. Now that’s what I call independence
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Post by Timmypotter on Dec 31, 2018 11:05:43 GMT
From the link you provided, sounds like thier plans are well down the line, so maybe there is something better than starting from scratch? : - In a statement, the company said it had been working since 2017 on plans to reintroduce ferry sailings from Ramsgate from early 2019. The business has been 'financed by the shareholders' during a development phase involving 'locating suitable vessels, making arrangements with the ports of Ostend and Ramsgate, building the infrastructure - such as bunkering - as well as crewing the ferries once they start operating'.It added: 'It was intended to start the service in mid-February but this has now been delayed until late March for operational reasons.
French firm Brittany Ferries and Danish company DFDS will also receive public money to run ferry services across the Channel. 2 other EU comapnies who run ferries have also been given contracts to help Brexit lets see how it pans out Hopefully they get better ferries than the ones Sally Ferries used to run out of Ramsgate. I remember going on them every year as a kid and there'd always be a pall of acrid black smoke billowing from the funnel.
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Post by Northy on Dec 31, 2018 11:07:59 GMT
From the link you provided, sounds like thier plans are well down the line, so maybe there is something better than starting from scratch? : - In a statement, the company said it had been working since 2017 on plans to reintroduce ferry sailings from Ramsgate from early 2019. The business has been 'financed by the shareholders' during a development phase involving 'locating suitable vessels, making arrangements with the ports of Ostend and Ramsgate, building the infrastructure - such as bunkering - as well as crewing the ferries once they start operating'.It added: 'It was intended to start the service in mid-February but this has now been delayed until late March for operational reasons.
French firm Brittany Ferries and Danish company DFDS will also receive public money to run ferry services across the Channel. 2 other EU comapnies who run ferries have also been given contracts to help Brexit lets see how it pans out Hopefully they get better ferries than the ones Sally Ferries used to run out of Ramsgate. I remember going on them every year as a kid and there'd always be a pall of acrid black smoke billowing from the funnel. got the air/fuel mixture wrong then, or were hiding our destroyers from the russians
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 31, 2018 11:17:40 GMT
We didn’t survive and win two world wars by taking it up the arse by the Germans on a daily basis as we currently do So what point are you trying to make Sighs. We do not currently "take it up the arse by the Germans on a daily basis", and I don't remember hearing anything like that back in 2016 as a reason to leave. But either the wonderful British government is trying to pull a fast one and push through a no-deal BREXIT; or is wasting a lot of money on unnecessary contingencies which could be put to much better and more urgent use than trying to make May's deal (which nobody likes or wants) more palatable, even though this last option will mean less control (they promised Brexit would take back control, remember?), less money (they promised you'd all be better off after BREXIT, remember?), and more money for the NHS in particular (the NHS employees at all levels are crying out about it's current state and how it is getting worse because of Brexit)! Clear and succinct enough for you? 1) I personally did not post the original link to the world wars but I personally think we are getting screwed on a daily basis by the Eu Which despite what we are told is run with German money and control with a touch of French charm to soften the edges 2) I voted leave not to be better off as economic arguments matter not one jot in my reasoning And to assume that people were somehow conned into voting leave exhibits the condenseding attitude that contributed to the leave vote 3) the bus slogan absolute bull shit I don’t know one leave voter that was swayed by it 4) as for more money on the nhs that should be debated on its own thread I voted leave because I want this country to make laws with politicians that I can have a part in removing I want this country to be able to set its own taxation rates including vat
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 31, 2018 12:16:55 GMT
Sighs. We do not currently "take it up the arse by the Germans on a daily basis", and I don't remember hearing anything like that back in 2016 as a reason to leave. But either the wonderful British government is trying to pull a fast one and push through a no-deal BREXIT; or is wasting a lot of money on unnecessary contingencies which could be put to much better and more urgent use than trying to make May's deal (which nobody likes or wants) more palatable, even though this last option will mean less control (they promised Brexit would take back control, remember?), less money (they promised you'd all be better off after BREXIT, remember?), and more money for the NHS in particular (the NHS employees at all levels are crying out about it's current state and how it is getting worse because of Brexit)! Clear and succinct enough for you? 3) the bus slogan absolute bull shit I don’t know one leave voter that was swayed by it Here’s one www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/25/protest-vote-regret-voting-leave-brexit
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Dec 31, 2018 12:21:12 GMT
Sighs. We do not currently "take it up the arse by the Germans on a daily basis", and I don't remember hearing anything like that back in 2016 as a reason to leave. But either the wonderful British government is trying to pull a fast one and push through a no-deal BREXIT; or is wasting a lot of money on unnecessary contingencies which could be put to much better and more urgent use than trying to make May's deal (which nobody likes or wants) more palatable, even though this last option will mean less control (they promised Brexit would take back control, remember?), less money (they promised you'd all be better off after BREXIT, remember?), and more money for the NHS in particular (the NHS employees at all levels are crying out about it's current state and how it is getting worse because of Brexit)! Clear and succinct enough for you? 1) I personally did not post the original link to the world wars but I personally think we are getting screwed on a daily basis by the Eu Which despite what we are told is run with German money and control with a touch of French charm to soften the edges 2) I voted leave not to be better off as economic arguments matter not one jot in my reasoning And to assume that people were somehow conned into voting leave exhibits the condenseding attitude that contributed to the leave vote 3) the bus slogan absolute bull shit I don’t know one leave voter that was swayed by it 4) as for more money on the nhs that should be debated on its own thread I voted leave because I want this country to make laws with politicians that I can have a part in removing I want this country to be able to set its own taxation rates including vat On your last two points... you do realise we have always been able to?
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