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Post by harryburrows on Dec 28, 2018 16:02:39 GMT
As long as Blair’s one of the remain figureheads I’m quite confident of a second leave vote if we vote again That's my take on it too. B-Liar is widely reviled and Campbell isn't far behind him. As I said a few times the leave voters aren't interested in listening to remainers who have largely branded them stupid , racist, old and out of touch and haven't really thought it through. The so called Tory brexit is a very working class middle England vote and they won't be lectured too by the intellectuals that dominate the remain campaign.
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Post by capto on Dec 28, 2018 16:08:49 GMT
staffs4europe.eu/12days.php1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie?
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Post by capto on Dec 28, 2018 16:26:29 GMT
drive.google.com/file/d/1d24eH2a_aEpRl6gMrkbtDD4-5-YNKtu5/view1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 28, 2018 17:31:17 GMT
drive.google.com/file/d/1d24eH2a_aEpRl6gMrkbtDD4-5-YNKtu5/view1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie? Blinkered Remainers just don’t get it do they and I don’t know how many times you have said this. Let me spell it out again for the umpteenth time.......... L-E-A-V-E-R-S S-E-E T-H-E B-I-G-G-E-R P-I-C-T-U-R-E. I-T I-S-N-'-T. J-U-S-T A-B-O-U-T E-C-O-N-O-M-I-C-S.
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Post by sharpy on Dec 28, 2018 18:15:07 GMT
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Post by whereami on Dec 28, 2018 19:16:41 GMT
Unbelievable and disgraceful statement by a member of the UK parliament. This man represents the UK. " come to heel" = If a person or organization comes to heel, they agree to obey, usually because they have been forcefully persuaded to do so. Oxford English dictionary. Churchill was far from perfect, but I would have liked to have seen his reaction to Kerr saying this.... particularly during the war. Previous quotes of Kerr; Speaking at an event organised by the Institute for Government, Lord Kerr said: "In my view, immigration is the thing that keeps this country running. We native Brits are so bloody stupid that we need an injection of intelligent people, young people from outside who come in and wake us up from time to time." kerr was the man who actually drafted Article 50 ( with Gisela Stuart) whilst the UK representative to the EU. The House of Lords needs abolishing. This , to me, simply adds to the number who want Brexit. I Googled Kerr, heres an article from the (pre-viner, pre-trump era before leftists were meant to love this shit otherwise theyre omg nazis) guardian that shows him as a "bilderberg insider" www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/02/bilderberg-2014-george-osborne-john-kerrstrange bedfellows n all that
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 28, 2018 19:35:35 GMT
staffs4europe.eu/12days.php1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie You've been asked before about evidence to support your #1 claim above but haven't provided anything. So c'mon fella - tell us how we gain a 10x return for every pound we give to the EU.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 28, 2018 19:48:16 GMT
#DespiteBrexit
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 28, 2018 20:09:41 GMT
Unbelievable and disgraceful statement by a member of the UK parliament. This man represents the UK. " come to heel" = If a person or organization comes to heel, they agree to obey, usually because they have been forcefully persuaded to do so. Oxford English dictionary. Churchill was far from perfect, but I would have liked to have seen his reaction to Kerr saying this.... particularly during the war. Previous quotes of Kerr; Speaking at an event organised by the Institute for Government, Lord Kerr said: "In my view, immigration is the thing that keeps this country running. We native Brits are so bloody stupid that we need an injection of intelligent people, young people from outside who come in and wake us up from time to time." kerr was the man who actually drafted Article 50 ( with Gisela Stuart) whilst the UK representative to the EU. The House of Lords needs abolishing. This , to me, simply adds to the number who want Brexit. I Googled Kerr, heres an article from the (pre-viner, pre-trump era before leftists were meant to love this shit otherwise theyre omg nazis) guardian that shows him as a "bilderberg insider" www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/02/bilderberg-2014-george-osborne-john-kerrstrange bedfellows n all that Whereami Thanks for posting. Very interesting. Kerr does seem a very intimidating man. . As I think you indicate ,something the left would normally be all over...... except this man is a solid Remainer and therefore does not fit the agenda. A couple of extracts from your Guardian link.............. Major likened Sir John to Machiavelli in his memoirs, and was clearly terrified of the man. He memorably said: “When Kerr comes up to you and asks for the time, you wonder why me and why now?” And in the power dynamic between Sir John and the chancellor, Sir John ( Kerr) is quite clearly the boss. It’s impossible to know exactly what he was saying during their confab, but I think the gist of it was how high George has to get off the ground when Sir John says “jump”.
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Post by whereami on Dec 28, 2018 21:00:41 GMT
Whereami Thanks for posting. Very interesting. Kerr does seem a very intimidating man. . As I think you indicate ,something the left would normally be all over...... except this man is a solid Remainer and therefore does not fit the agenda. A couple of extracts from your Guardian link.............. Major likened Sir John to Machiavelli in his memoirs, and was clearly terrified of the man. He memorably said: “When Kerr comes up to you and asks for the time, you wonder why me and why now?” And in the power dynamic between Sir John and the chancellor, Sir John ( Kerr) is quite clearly the boss. It’s impossible to know exactly what he was saying during their confab, but I think the gist of it was how high George has to get off the ground when Sir John says “jump”. For the record I live abroad but get paid in pounds so the leave vote has been shite for me. Something I've never seen said though has been that the actions of the EU high ups since the vote has pulled the curtain back a bit and possibly convinced more people to get out.. theres no hiding from pictures of protests with signs saying frexit / hungexit / swexit etc.. None of the remain talk has mentioned the massive discontent brewing in many EU countries, possibly because that wouldn't imply all leavers are racists/bigots/nazis etc which is still the main talking point that I see. Yes we have UK based fuckers to deal with, I can't see how it wouldn't be easier to take off smaller shells once the bigger ones are away That's if a demographic of the population that spent their lives not wanting to be ruled by an elite can be talked down from thinking it's all russian bots now EDIT: and yeah to actually reply to you rather than ranting more.. how does anyone think that he's on their side?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 28, 2018 21:15:23 GMT
Whereami Thanks for posting. Very interesting. Kerr does seem a very intimidating man. . As I think you indicate ,something the left would normally be all over...... except this man is a solid Remainer and therefore does not fit the agenda. A couple of extracts from your Guardian link.............. Major likened Sir John to Machiavelli in his memoirs, and was clearly terrified of the man. He memorably said: “When Kerr comes up to you and asks for the time, you wonder why me and why now?” And in the power dynamic between Sir John and the chancellor, Sir John ( Kerr) is quite clearly the boss. It’s impossible to know exactly what he was saying during their confab, but I think the gist of it was how high George has to get off the ground when Sir John says “jump”. For the record I live abroad but get paid in pounds so the leave vote has been shite for me. Something I've never seen said though has been that the actions of the EU high ups since the vote has pulled the curtain back a bit and possibly convinced more people to get out.. theres no hiding from pictures of protests with signs saying frexit / hungexit / swexit etc.. None of the remain talk has mentioned the massive discontent brewing in many EU countries, possibly because that wouldn't imply all leavers are racists/bigots/nazis etc which is still the main talking point that I see. Yes we have UK based fuckers to deal with, I can't see how it wouldn't be easier to take off smaller shells once the bigger ones are away That's if a demographic of the population that spent their lives not wanting to be ruled by an elite can be talked down from thinking it's all russian bots now EDIT: and yeah to actually reply to you rather than ranting more.. how does anyone think that he's on their side? Great insight Whereami.... certainly a different perspective that has made/ is making me think. Do we really know what is going on. In my opinion ( in light of your post) we can only influence what we think is going on... genuine trust by the ordinary man. Perhaps I should know....who is talking to Charlie in your post? Is it Rothschild? What's going on?
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Post by whereami on Dec 28, 2018 21:39:05 GMT
For the record I live abroad but get paid in pounds so the leave vote has been shite for me. Something I've never seen said though has been that the actions of the EU high ups since the vote has pulled the curtain back a bit and possibly convinced more people to get out.. theres no hiding from pictures of protests with signs saying frexit / hungexit / swexit etc.. None of the remain talk has mentioned the massive discontent brewing in many EU countries, possibly because that wouldn't imply all leavers are racists/bigots/nazis etc which is still the main talking point that I see. Yes we have UK based fuckers to deal with, I can't see how it wouldn't be easier to take off smaller shells once the bigger ones are away That's if a demographic of the population that spent their lives not wanting to be ruled by an elite can be talked down from thinking it's all russian bots now EDIT: and yeah to actually reply to you rather than ranting more.. how does anyone think that he's on their side? Great insight Whereami.... certainly a different perspective that has made/ is making me think. Do we really know what is going on. In my opinion ( in light of your post) we can only influence what we think is going on... genuine trust by the ordinary man. Perhaps I should know....who is talking to Charlie in your post? Is it Rothschild? What's going on? Its a Rothschild as far as I know yeah.. I just try and imagine myself poking someone that way - a friend, a colleague, a boss in that way and not getting a big reaction. It wouldn't happen. There seems to be no side left to ask those questions and that bothers me, and as much as it gets mocked I think it's that which bothers a significant amount of leave voters, or "i wish i could leave" voters across europe
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 28, 2018 21:44:48 GMT
Great insight Whereami.... certainly a different perspective that has made/ is making me think. Do we really know what is going on. In my opinion ( in light of your post) we can only influence what we think is going on... genuine trust by the ordinary man. Perhaps I should know....who is talking to Charlie in your post? Is it Rothschild? What's going on? Its a Rothschild as far as I know yeah.. I just try and imagine myself poking someone that way - a friend, a colleague, a boss in that way and not getting a big reaction. It wouldn't happen. There seems to be no side left to ask those questions and that bothers me, and as much as it gets mocked I think it's that which bothers a significant amount of leave voters, or "i wish i could leave" voters across europe In the picture Charles seems as though he is being put on his place
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Post by whereami on Dec 28, 2018 21:54:17 GMT
Its a Rothschild as far as I know yeah.. I just try and imagine myself poking someone that way - a friend, a colleague, a boss in that way and not getting a big reaction. It wouldn't happen. There seems to be no side left to ask those questions and that bothers me, and as much as it gets mocked I think it's that which bothers a significant amount of leave voters, or "i wish i could leave" voters across europe In the picture Charles seems as though he is being put on his place The puppy dog "I done bad" expression does seem to imply that On 3 August 1835, somewhere in the City of London, two of Europe’s most famous bankers came to an agreement with the chancellor of the exchequer. Two years earlier, the British government had passed the Slavery Abolition Act, which outlawed slavery in most parts of the empire. Now it was taking out one of the largest loans in history, to finance the slave compensation package required by the 1833 act. Nathan Mayer Rothschild and his brother-in-law Moses Montefiore agreed to loan the British government £15m, with the government adding an additional £5m later. The total sum represented 40% of the government’s yearly income in those days, equivalent to some £300bn today. You might expect this so-called “slave compensation” to have gone to the freed slaves to redress the injustices they suffered. Instead, the money went exclusively to the owners of slaves, who were being compensated for the loss of what had, until then, been considered their property. Not a single shilling of reparation, nor a single word of apology, has ever been granted by the British state to the people it enslaved, or their descendants. Today, 1835 feels so long ago; so far away. But if you are a British taxpayer, what happened in that quiet room affects you directly. Your taxes were used to pay off the loan, and the payments only ended in 2015. Generations of Britons have been implicated in a legacy of financial support for one of the world’s most egregious crimes against humanity. The fact that you, and your parents, and their parents in turn, may have been paying for a huge slave-owner compensation package from the 1830s only came to public attention last month. The revelation came on 9 February, in the form of a tweet by HM Treasury: “Here’s today’s surprising #FridayFact. Millions of you have helped end the slave trade through your taxes. Did you know? In 1833, Britain used £20 million, 40% of its national budget, to buy freedom for all slaves in the Empire. The amount of money borrowed for the Slavery Abolition Act was so large that it wasn’t paid off until 2015. Which means that living British citizens helped pay to end the slave trade.” www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/29/slavery-abolition-compensation-when-will-britain-face-up-to-its-crimes-against-humanityIt's all a conspicacy theory though blatantly. What was the interest on that? EDIT: cause I forgot context - people dont like being pupeteered, and it seems more obvious now than ever - it can only lead to discontent and that's initally gonna go with the farthest, most distant apparent source of that. When they offer nothing in return, what do they expect?
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Post by 4372 on Dec 28, 2018 22:51:21 GMT
drive.google.com/file/d/1d24eH2a_aEpRl6gMrkbtDD4-5-YNKtu5/view1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie? Blinkered Remainers just don’t get it do they and I don’t know how many times you have said this. Let me spell it out again for the umpteenth time.......... L-E-A-V-E-R-S S-E-E T-H-E B-I-G-G-E-R P-I-C-T-U-R-E. I-T I-S-N-'-T. J-U-S-T A-B-O-U-T E-C-O-N-O-M-I-C-S. I voted Remain. The issue of economics never came in to my thinking.
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Post by whereami on Dec 29, 2018 8:00:33 GMT
Blinkered Remainers just don’t get it do they and I don’t know how many times you have said this. Let me spell it out again for the umpteenth time.......... L-E-A-V-E-R-S S-E-E T-H-E B-I-G-G-E-R P-I-C-T-U-R-E. I-T I-S-N-'-T. J-U-S-T A-B-O-U-T E-C-O-N-O-M-I-C-S. I voted Remain. The issue of economics never came in to my thinking. They shouldnt for anyone either way unless there are tangible jobs being created or lost - the idea that the same economic output as the day before is suddenly worth billions less without actually producing more or less is ludicrous, we only accept it because were used to it being the system we live in and were told its too complex to understand. China have devalued canadas currency in the last week as a tit for tat move, nothing quantifiable happened to make it weaker apart from numbers changing on a spreadsheet. Does it make any sense as a lynchpin of society?
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 29, 2018 8:46:08 GMT
drive.google.com/file/d/1d24eH2a_aEpRl6gMrkbtDD4-5-YNKtu5/view1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie? Blinkered Remainers just don’t get it do they and I don’t know how many times you have said this. Let me spell it out again for the umpteenth time.......... L-E-A-V-E-R-S S-E-E T-H-E B-I-G-G-E-R P-I-C-T-U-R-E. I-T I-S-N-'-T. J-U-S-T A-B-O-U-T E-C-O-N-O-M-I-C-S. I think if you voted without considering E-C-O-N-O-M-I-C-S you must be incredibly rich.
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Post by whereami on Dec 29, 2018 9:00:41 GMT
Blinkered Remainers just don’t get it do they and I don’t know how many times you have said this. Let me spell it out again for the umpteenth time.......... L-E-A-V-E-R-S S-E-E T-H-E B-I-G-G-E-R P-I-C-T-U-R-E. I-T I-S-N-'-T. J-U-S-T A-B-O-U-T E-C-O-N-O-M-I-C-S. I think if you voted without considering E-C-O-N-O-M-I-C-S you must be incredibly rich. How much can you consider something that is utterly uncotrollable unless youre on their monopoly stage? Its like when they say a recession is 18 months away.. Why? How? If its just based on investors pulling money out why is it so predictable on a timeline regardless of what is happening in the world at the time? Apologies if ive gone tin hat at all in the last 24 hours, december does weird things to me
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 29, 2018 9:16:47 GMT
Stability is a major factor in economics,always was always will be.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 29, 2018 9:20:50 GMT
Blinkered Remainers just don’t get it do they and I don’t know how many times you have said this. Let me spell it out again for the umpteenth time.......... L-E-A-V-E-R-S S-E-E T-H-E B-I-G-G-E-R P-I-C-T-U-R-E. I-T I-S-N-'-T. J-U-S-T A-B-O-U-T E-C-O-N-O-M-I-C-S. I think if you voted without considering E-C-O-N-O-M-I-C-S you must be incredibly rich. No I’m not rich at all but think it’s worth paying the short term price of an economic wobble that we all know is coming for the freedom and independence of being outside the E.U. For the record, Cameron was very naive to call a referendum clearly thinking that a remain vote would prevail. I, for one, grabbed the opportunity without listening to all the lies from both leave and project fear because I have believed for many years that we would be a better nation outside the E.U.
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 29, 2018 9:32:32 GMT
I think Cameron was daft to call the vote,i also believe a lot of the out vote was a protest against the U.K. political system and a referendum was a clear way to show the government of this discontent,i personally believe the outcome of leaving the EU will be one we as a country will regret for many years if we do not keep the closest possible ties. We can leave the EU but we can`t leave Europe,and with the need to reduce the carbon footprint on all trade surely to shop local is the most commonsense approach to trade.
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 29, 2018 9:49:52 GMT
I didn't vote as a protest against UK politics.... I voted because I wanted out of the EU, simple as that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 10:01:18 GMT
I didn't vote as a protest against UK politics.... I voted because I wanted out of the EU, simple as that. Same here !
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Post by lordb on Dec 29, 2018 10:43:58 GMT
I didn't vote as a protest against UK politics.... I voted because I wanted out of the EU, simple as that. Same here ! Fair play to you too but millions didn't. I know someone who voted leave purely because he hates Cameron, someone else else because they wanted Farage as Prime minister and so on. Heard lots of people in Stoke who voted leave because our area had been ignored (which it had,for ever) and this was a chance to protest. For many people the referendum became a platform to protest about anything and everything in the way that General Elections perhaps should but don't. You could hold a referendum tomorrow about a different issue and a similar effect would be likely. The referendum has been a force for bad only negative outcomes was ever going to come from it regardless of which side won.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 29, 2018 10:48:51 GMT
I didn't vote as a protest against UK politics.... I voted because I wanted out of the EU, simple as that. Same here ! Dee It is the Remainers job to tell Leavers why we voted. Even though they don't seem to understand the purpose of the EU and the ballot question, they know best. I wonder why a protest vote equates to voting Leave , not Remain?
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Post by shangamuzo on Dec 29, 2018 10:56:16 GMT
That's my take on it too. B-Liar is widely reviled and Campbell isn't far behind him. As I said a few times the leave voters aren't interested in listening to remainers who have largely branded them stupid , racist, old and out of touch and haven't really thought it through. The so called Tory brexit is a very working class middle England vote and they won't be lectured too by the intellectuals that dominate the remain campaign. Serves em right,patronising the Plebs in the leave camp was bound to raise their hackles. I see David Miliband-another Europhile late recruit to the notion of democracy-is again calling for a second referendum.
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Post by 4372 on Dec 29, 2018 11:17:01 GMT
Dee It is the Remainers job to tell Leavers why we voted. Even though they don't seem to understand the purpose of the EU and the ballot question, they know best. I wonder why a protest vote equates to voting Leave , not Remain? Everybody could,and did,vote as they saw fit. The issue today is more about people trying to re-interpret the result of the Referendum. The UK is leaving the EU in March,and that was the ONLY decision you and I were asked to make.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 29, 2018 11:25:51 GMT
Dee It is the Remainers job to tell Leavers why we voted. Even though they don't seem to understand the purpose of the EU and the ballot question, they know best. I wonder why a protest vote equates to voting Leave , not Remain? Everybody could,and did,vote as they saw fit. The issue today is more about people trying to re-interpret the result of the Referendum. The UK is leaving the EU in March,and that was the ONLY decision you and I were asked to make. Of course it was an absolutely clear question that some Leavers did not understand and are now trying to undermine. Did you know what you were voting for?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 29, 2018 11:35:54 GMT
We can leave the EU but we can`t leave Europe,and with the need to reduce the carbon footprint on all trade surely to shop local is the most commonsense approach to trade. Hopefully our politicians honour the result & we do indeed leave the EU. Yes you're right, we can't leave Europe because it is a geographical area, rather than a political organisation, no-one has ever suggested otherwise. (Apart from some Remoaners who struggle to understand the difference between the EU & Europe) Yes, you're right again, trading with Europe is a good thing... We don't need them to rule over us to trade with them though. Fair play to you too but millions didn't. I know someone who voted leave purely because he hates Cameron, someone else else because they wanted Farage as Prime minister and so on. Indeed. We saw plenty of examples on this very forum in the build-up to the referendum where people said things along the lines of "Well if that wanker Farage wants us to leave, that's all I need to hear to vote Remain".
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Post by 4372 on Dec 29, 2018 12:26:39 GMT
Everybody could,and did,vote as they saw fit. The issue today is more about people trying to re-interpret the result of the Referendum. The UK is leaving the EU in March,and that was the ONLY decision you and I were asked to make. Of course it was an absolutely clear question that some Leavers did not understand and are now trying to undermine. Did you know what you were voting for? Yes of course. As did you. As did everyone. Leave or Remain? The only question on the ballot paper. I sense (and i may well be wrong again) that most people now prefer the May Deal to any other alternative. I won't get what I want, and the more extreme leavers won't get what they want either. But the May Deal may offer an end to all this, and that may be a tempting thought for many people.
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