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Post by bathstoke on Dec 24, 2018 5:18:57 GMT
We’re running blindly into oblivion & it’s not all our doing. We treated Europe with relative contempt over the years. Even voting an anti E.U. man into their midst as our representative. We treated them badly & they marginalised us. Now we’re getting divorced, they’re playing hardball. What did we expect. We gave them ultimatums & they called it. Anyway, couple more pages of this $#!t & we’ll reach 500 pages! Obviously, at least 300 of those are cut & paste hearsay. On reflection, that is mostly all our doing...
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 24, 2018 6:28:35 GMT
What put the Great in Britain was to a great part funded by the slave trade gun-boat plundering of wealth and other such crimes we as a country committed,i fear leaving the EU is more likely to take the United out Kingdom . Once we leave it will open up a huge can of worms and it will split the UK up. Scotland will vote for independence and will rejoin the EU as will Wales and ni You will also see parts of England demanding independance Shit storms coming but Shhhh you are not allowed to mention it project fear It's possible Scotland may vote for independence following Brexit. But don't bet on it. Nicola Sturgeon ain't very confident hence her two year prevarication on Indyref2 as polls up here stubbornly refuse to support independence. So your prognosis about the dissolution of the U.K. seems more hypothetical than probable. Which, I reckon, is as good a definition for what constitutes Project Fear as there is.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 24, 2018 6:43:34 GMT
No what put the great in Britain Was being that little bit better at doing what the rest of the world was doing You cannot committ a crime for something that was not a crime at the time What does the United in Kingdom mean? because that is what leave is threatening to spoil and as for your first point if you think what are country did in the past was acceptable and was not a crime i do not share your values ?(if you actually have any) There is many things in my lifetime this country has done that I do not agree with or find distinctly unpleasant But what I will not do is judge a country or people by actions committed in a totally different time when the world was a very different place and views distinctly different Wether you share my values matters not one slight jot in my expansive memory But to assume or imply someone may not have values really does not become a person who at least attempts to show a modicum of intelligence
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 24, 2018 7:26:31 GMT
What does the United in Kingdom mean? because that is what leave is threatening to spoil and as for your first point if you think what are country did in the past was acceptable and was not a crime i do not share your values ?(if you actually have any) There is many things in my lifetime this country has done that I do not agree with or find distinctly unpleasant But what I will not do is judge a country or people by actions committed in a totally different time when the world was a very different place and views distinctly different Wether you share my values matters not one slight jot in my expansive memory But to assume or imply someone may not have values really does not become a person who at least attempts to show a modicum of intelligence It's a good point... When folk are promoting Norway+, there ain't much talk about those pesky Vikings and their rape and pillaging ways.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 24, 2018 8:35:50 GMT
It seems to me, at the moment, that it could go one of two ways. May's deal rejected, EU agree to remove the existing backstop clause( portrayed as a victory for the UK and as an answer to all the reservations about Chequers), May comes back at the 11th hour with this amended deal " Amended deal or WTO deal( obviously soldas the abyss, Armageddon)"..... Parliament opts for May( Brexiteers not happy, EU very happy, Don't know about Remainers...but still no certainty, May's deal is really' more negotiation'). Or May's deal rejected and we leave under WTO( Brexiteers happy, EU and Remainers not happy.... but at least certainty about the DECISION and direction). I guess a third possibility if May's 'revised' deal is rejected there could be clamour to delay A50... but I don't know by what means?
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 24, 2018 8:42:23 GMT
I’m guessing all of the French, German and Spanish colonialism must be different to Britain’s. Who’d have thought that the E.U. is being championed as the ultimate body for moral righteousness....or is that only if you are in it?
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Post by Northy on Dec 24, 2018 9:10:00 GMT
what a complete load of tosh that is, starting with project Fear, basically none of the stuff happened, the mini recession, house prices falling etc. etc. He's just trying to make people who voted leave stupid, which is what the remainers have been doing for over 2 years. Thought you would say that. Apart from the pound falling off the cliff, and the UK falling from the highest growth in GDP, between the G8, nothing happened. In all seriousness, we haven’t left yet. Economists all agree,GDP will fall 10%. And we will slide into recession. I haven’t read anything that argues that won’t happen. When we leave. The pound hasnt fallen off the cliff though has it, the IMF said in 2015 that the pound was overvalued 5-15% meaning the exchange rate was artificially high, it was more of a correcting factor because of the vote. Considering we had a growing economy better than the rest of the EU since the recession it was inevitable that they finally came out of recession and caught up, and most of the countries growing faster than us can, Romania is the fastest, no doubt look back at the money they get from the EU (or the UK, germany and France) to help them.
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Post by prettything on Dec 24, 2018 9:25:35 GMT
The pound is the lowest it’s been in 35 years.
I would say it’s gone off a cliff.
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Post by Northy on Dec 24, 2018 10:16:40 GMT
Let’s put the Great back into Britain , roll on March What put the Great in Britain was to a great part funded by the slave trade gun-boat plundering of wealth and other such crimes we as a country committed,i fear leaving the EU is more likely to take the United out Kingdom . What about taking the industrial revolution to the world with great minds and all the inventions it has put forward? we have contributed a lot of positive things in our history.
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Post by yeokel on Dec 24, 2018 10:28:53 GMT
The pound is the lowest it’s been in 35 years. I would say it’s gone off a cliff. If you are comparing against the US Dollar, you are wrong. The £ was considerably lower than its current level between Sept 1984 & March 1985. It was also lower between Oct 2016 and April 2017. The Euro isn’t yet 35 years old, but the £ was much lower against the Euro during much of 2009 and was also lower during much of Autumn last year. There may, of course, be currencies where your statement is correct, but against both the Dollar and the Euro, you are misleading people.
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 24, 2018 10:38:28 GMT
We’re running blindly into oblivion & it’s not all our doing. We treated Europe with relative contempt over the years. Even voting an anti E.U. man into their midst as our representative. We treated them badly & they marginalised us. Now we’re getting divorced, they’re playing hardball. What did we expect. We gave them ultimatums & they called it. Anyway, couple more pages of this $#!t & we’ll reach 500 pages! Obviously, at least 300 of those are cut & paste hearsay. On reflection, that is mostly all our doing... They deserve our ongoing contempt, I despise the whole hypocritical bunch of them .
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Post by prettything on Dec 24, 2018 10:46:14 GMT
The pound is the lowest it’s been in 35 years. I would say it’s gone off a cliff. If you are comparing against the US Dollar, you are wrong. The £ was considerably lower than its current level between Sept 1984 & March 1985. It was also lower between Oct 2016 and April 2017. The Euro isn’t yet 35 years old, but the £ was much lower against the Euro during much of 2009 and was also lower during much of Autumn last year. There may, of course, be currencies where your statement is correct, but against both the Dollar and the Euro, you are misleading people. I’m comparing it to the dollar. The currency hasn’t stayed this low for such a long time, either. We have put our prices up six times in the last two years, because of the weakness of the pound. (Costs a lot more to import our wine.)
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 24, 2018 11:14:59 GMT
A message from one of our politicians:
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 24, 2018 11:47:37 GMT
A message from one of our politicians: Well FU to the E.U. the boat sails in March
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 24, 2018 12:05:34 GMT
If you are comparing against the US Dollar, you are wrong. The £ was considerably lower than its current level between Sept 1984 & March 1985. It was also lower between Oct 2016 and April 2017. The Euro isn’t yet 35 years old, but the £ was much lower against the Euro during much of 2009 and was also lower during much of Autumn last year. There may, of course, be currencies where your statement is correct, but against both the Dollar and the Euro, you are misleading people. I’m comparing it to the dollar. The currency hasn’t stayed this low for such a long time, either. We have put our prices up six times in the last two years, because of the weakness of the pound. (Costs a lot more to import our wine.) Look on the bright side when we’ve left the Eu you can campaign for the reduction or removal of vat on wine
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 24, 2018 14:14:28 GMT
The pound is the lowest it’s been in 35 years. I would say it’s gone off a cliff. Don't mention Cliff(y)!
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Post by lordb on Dec 24, 2018 14:17:01 GMT
I’m comparing it to the dollar. The currency hasn’t stayed this low for such a long time, either. We have put our prices up six times in the last two years, because of the weakness of the pound. (Costs a lot more to import our wine.) Look on the bright side when we’ve left the Eu you can campaign for the reduction or removal of vat on wine Good luck with that.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 24, 2018 14:19:27 GMT
Look on the bright side when we’ve left the Eu you can campaign for the reduction or removal of vat on wine Good luck with that. Absolute no chance whilst we’re in the Eu Personally I couldn’t care if it was twenty quid a bottle as I don’t drink the piss
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Post by prettything on Dec 24, 2018 14:32:32 GMT
Absolute no chance whilst we’re in the Eu Personally I couldn’t care if it was twenty quid a bottle as I don’t drink the piss 😄 I’m sure we can find you something. Have a great Christmas .x
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Post by lordb on Dec 24, 2018 14:46:46 GMT
Absolute no chance whilst we’re in the Eu Personally I couldn’t care if it was twenty quid a bottle as I don’t drink the piss Absolutely no chance full stop .
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 24, 2018 16:30:29 GMT
Absolute no chance whilst we’re in the Eu Personally I couldn’t care if it was twenty quid a bottle as I don’t drink the piss 😄 I’m sure we can find you something. Have a great Christmas .x Got a couple of ice cold bottles of thatchers single variety cider waiting for Christmas dinner Have a good Christmas yourself tomorrow
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 24, 2018 17:17:44 GMT
What put the Great in Britain was to a great part funded by the slave trade gun-boat plundering of wealth and other such crimes we as a country committed,i fear leaving the EU is more likely to take the United out Kingdom . What about taking the industrial revolution to the world with great minds and all the inventions it has put forward? we have contributed a lot of positive things in our history. Ia agree with what we have achieved but question how it was funded
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 24, 2018 17:23:26 GMT
Once we leave it will open up a huge can of worms and it will split the UK up. Scotland will vote for independence and will rejoin the EU as will Wales and ni You will also see parts of England demanding independance Shit storms coming but Shhhh you are not allowed to mention it project fear It's possible Scotland may vote for independence following Brexit. But don't bet on it. Nicola Sturgeon ain't very confident hence her two year prevarication on Indyref2 as polls up here stubbornly refuse to support independence. So your prognosis about the dissolution of the U.K. seems more hypothetical than probable. Which, I reckon, is as good a definition for what constitutes Project Fear as there is. Think it is more project fact?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 24, 2018 17:30:50 GMT
Let’s put the Great back into Britain , roll on March What put the Great in Britain was to a great part funded by the slave trade gun-boat plundering of wealth and other such crimes we as a country committed,i fear leaving the EU is more likely to take the United out Kingdom . People towing this line seem to forget that a third of slave owners were black and many countries that were 'exploited' for their minerals and natural-resources, despite having vast amounts of them, are much poorer after we left and currently have massive problems with corruption. Africa, for example, has some of the worst poverty and corruption and also some of the most obscene unequal distributions of income of income of wealth on earth..100 years after the British left. But presumably, that's all our fault.
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Post by neworleanstokie on Dec 24, 2018 21:33:54 GMT
erm sorry mate there are plenty of comments in this thread relating to myself and others like me not having a say/vote on Brexit. As I've stated before - I don't like having something taken away from me - do you? It's irrelevant wether I am using it today - I did have plans to exercise the ability in the future. In addition though I'm sure many Leavers don't give a toss - the pure misery this had brought to 1,000s of families that comprised of different European nationalities is very sad. I'm assuming that when you emigrated to the States 30 odd years ago you didn't just fly over there, get a job and remain? I'm sure you had to meet a certain criteria to achieve that goal? I'm also sure that now you have been a resident in the States for 30 odd years you would be horrified if the USA suddenly became a 'United States of the Americas' and there was free movement between the South America and North America. American laws then became made in Montevideo. Could you ever seriously see that scenario?? Well as previously stated I left the UK in 89 for a brighter future - 80's Britain for me wasn't as good for me as those who may hold somewhat nostalgic views. It was incredibly difficult to move to the US- legally. And your closing statement is slightly ironic. I live in the United STATES of America - which is basically like the EU where there is local, state and federal law. Even then the founding fathers realized there was no point each colony (now state) trying to go it alone - Brexit style.
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Post by neworleanstokie on Dec 24, 2018 21:36:54 GMT
erm sorry mate there are plenty of comments in this thread relating to myself and others like me not having a say/vote on Brexit. As I've stated before - I don't like having something taken away from me - do you? It's irrelevant wether I am using it today - I did have plans to exercise the ability in the future. In addition though I'm sure many Leavers don't give a toss - the pure misery this had brought to 1,000s of families that comprised of different European nationalities is very sad. So the country should pay £384m a week just on the off chance you fancy working in the EU at some point in the future !?!? Any misery on eu nationals is down to the eu at least twice may offered to agree their rights to stay and the eu was more worried on their money. I see no reason anyone living here and contributing should not be able to stay as long as they want. no idea where that # comes from or care tbh ... you voted out - own it.
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 24, 2018 21:38:51 GMT
What put the Great in Britain was to a great part funded by the slave trade gun-boat plundering of wealth and other such crimes we as a country committed,i fear leaving the EU is more likely to take the United out Kingdom . What about taking the industrial revolution to the world with great minds and all the inventions it has put forward? we have contributed a lot of positive things in our history. Talking of the industrial revolution and great minds and inventions who would class as the best British engineer?
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Post by 4372 on Dec 24, 2018 21:53:04 GMT
Isambard Kingdom Brunel?
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 24, 2018 22:36:58 GMT
I'm assuming that when you emigrated to the States 30 odd years ago you didn't just fly over there, get a job and remain? I'm sure you had to meet a certain criteria to achieve that goal? I'm also sure that now you have been a resident in the States for 30 odd years you would be horrified if the USA suddenly became a 'United States of the Americas' and there was free movement between the South America and North America. American laws then became made in Montevideo. Could you ever seriously see that scenario?? Well as previously stated I left the UK in 89 for a brighter future - 80's Britain for me wasn't as good for me as those who may hold somewhat nostalgic views. It was incredibly difficult to move to the US- legally. And your closing statement is slightly ironic. I live in the United STATES of America - which is basically like the EU where there is local, state and federal law. Even then the founding fathers realized there was no point each colony (now state) trying to go it alone - Brexit style. I actually said 'The United States of Americas', the clue being in the plural of America. The USA, Uraguay, Venezuela, Costa Rica, Mexico etc etc all being in a single market and custom union, all geared to ever closer political union with the Americas. Would you be happy with that as a resident of the USA?
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 25, 2018 0:27:50 GMT
Well as previously stated I left the UK in 89 for a brighter future - 80's Britain for me wasn't as good for me as those who may hold somewhat nostalgic views. It was incredibly difficult to move to the US- legally. And your closing statement is slightly ironic. I live in the United STATES of America - which is basically like the EU where there is local, state and federal law. Even then the founding fathers realized there was no point each colony (now state) trying to go it alone - Brexit style. I actually said 'The United States of Americas', the clue being in the plural of America. The USA, Uraguay, Venezuela, Costa Rica, Mexico etc etc all being in a single market and custom union, all geared to ever closer political union with the Americas. Would you be happy with that as a resident of the USA? It would save the odd dollar or two on the wall
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