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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 14, 2018 8:57:43 GMT
A quiet man but I find that Patrick more often than not does have some genuine insight and usually get it right
But she could win a challenge.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 14, 2018 9:00:11 GMT
Oh what a surprise huddy with a twee tweet or meme, there are actually two camps people who voted leave and understand that means actually leaving the EU and people clutching at straws. I voted to leave the EU not for the terms of a trade deal. And O'Brien is the most arrogant, biased bastard on the radio. Absolutely never wrong. Ring any bells? 😜
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 14, 2018 9:04:48 GMT
The deal that May is proposing is worse than the one we have now. Taking back control of what? And paying for it. And watch out for that slimy little fucker Gove..the new Tory leader. All these arseholes are interested in is their own careers..not this Country. Despicable. I think this has been the idea all along. Come out with the worst deal possible, so that Remaining seems a better option. It's working a treat, isn't it?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 14, 2018 9:15:12 GMT
Ah, the Remainers again belittling those who don’t agree with them as being obviously thick. It must be great to wake up every morning, knowing that you are intellectually superior to the thick plebs and you know what is best for them. Such a feeling of helping the less fortunate must give them a real cosy glow deep inside. 1984 alive and well. All these plebs will be OK when they go back to voting for the mainstream parties again, though. Their thickness will be overlooked when they vote for things that they don't know every last detail of, like renationalisation. As it would be if given the choice between May's capitulation or Remaining. Fucking pathetic, spineless liars are running this country, and they are fooling just enough to get their way.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 14, 2018 9:20:13 GMT
The deal that May is proposing is worse than the one we have now. Taking back control of what? And paying for it. And watch out for that slimy little fucker Gove..the new Tory leader. All these arseholes are interested in is their own careers..not this Country. Despicable. " The deal that May is proposing is worse than the one we have now." Only a person who thinks we have an absolutely perfect deal with the EU at the moment can make that statement. And I suspect that even the most passionate remainer would not posit the absolute perfection of our current "deal". All the rest of us will have to wait and see what is in the proposed deal and then consider our opinions of it along with the rest of the government, parliament, officials and the rest of the population. You seem to be one of the few who knows exactly what is in the proposed deal, so why don't you enlighten us? You could have a worldwide scoop. " All these arseholes are interested in is their own careers..not this Country." Agreed. Twas ever thus with virtually all politicians irrespective of political persuasion or philosophy.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 14, 2018 9:31:52 GMT
I think this has been the idea all along. Come out with the worst deal possible, so that Remaining seems a better option. It's working a treat, isn't it? We called it way back, Tricky. I remember making a post where I said she'd cobble together the shittest deal you could ever come up with, we'd then be sent back to the polls to vote again, with the two options being accept the shit deal or Remain. No-one would pick the shit deal she'd got for us, Brexit voters would have no option to vote for, an Remain would win. Welcome to the Hotel California... (Infact I think I ended that post with the same sentence!)
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 14, 2018 9:44:49 GMT
Morning all! Going to be an interesting day to say the least. I'd just like to wish you all well and I'd like to say, fuck Brexit, fuck Boris Johnson, fuck Theresa May, fuck the Tories and fuck the last 2 years in UK politics. And watch out for Gove over the next few days, been ominously quiet of late the slimy little shit. Have a good day, hope it goes as well as possible for you, whichever 'side' you are on. What about fuck Corbyn, fuck Cable, fuck the SNP, the DUP etc, etc The whole lot of them are responsible for this fucking mess. Seems to me nobody is much interested in finding a solution, just pushing various unrealistic self-interests. Meantime, Joe Public is ignored. Didn't have time for them this morning. Fuck them too.
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Post by Northy on Nov 14, 2018 10:18:53 GMT
And it's a big fuck you from MPs to the working class, and 17.4 million people who exercised their right to vote. Democracy is a fallacy. It was the deepest of conspiracies from the onset.....there never was a true intention to leave. I shall never vote for Labour/Con or Lib Dem ever again. All this has done is undermine what little belief I had in democracy. I wonder what level of public disobedience will be allowed....I suspect little if it comes from Brexiteers. The establishment are saving up for a world of pain and I hope they get everthing they deserve with this level of treachery. will it see the rise of UKIP again ?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 14, 2018 10:23:05 GMT
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Post by yeokel on Nov 14, 2018 10:31:53 GMT
It was the deepest of conspiracies from the onset.....there never was a true intention to leave. I shall never vote for Labour/Con or Lib Dem ever again. All this has done is undermine what little belief I had in democracy. I wonder what level of public disobedience will be allowed....I suspect little if it comes from Brexiteers. The establishment are saving up for a world of pain and I hope they get everthing they deserve with this level of treachery. will it seee the rise of UKIP again ? I can’t see that for a few years, if ever. I feel people are generally pissed off hearing about Brexit and if we fail to leave properly on this occasion, after having voted for it and it being discussed to the n’th degree, I don’t think that a resurgence of UKIP would be likely. I would, however, like to see Farage continue being a thorn in the side of both our government and the so called EU Parliament if the outcome is as bad as many are expecting, but I suspect he will throw the towel in and go back to his career in finance, or make a living out of speeches, a newspaper column and public appearances.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 10:32:06 GMT
Out from the woodwork come the cockroaches
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Post by yeokel on Nov 14, 2018 10:35:00 GMT
How do you feel about the forthcoming EU Army Huddy? You know, the one they insisted there are no plans for.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 14, 2018 10:39:01 GMT
will it seee the rise of UKIP again ? I can’t see that for a few years, if ever. I feel people are generally pissed off hearing about Brexit and if we fail to leave properly on this occasion, after having voted for it and it being discussed to the n’th degree, I don’t think that a resurgence of UKIP would be likely. I would, however, like to see Farage continue being a thorn in the side of both our government and the so called EU Parliament but if the outcome is as bad as many are expecting, I suspect he will throw the towel in and go back to his career in finance, or make a living out of speeches, a newspaper column and public appearances. Our one chance to show some balls and we blew it. If this lot had been in power in 1939, Hitler would have rolled over us.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 14, 2018 10:51:50 GMT
She's got some faces hasn't she May.
For months it's been no deal is better than a bad deal now its a bad deal is better than no deal.
Utterly pathetic.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 14, 2018 11:03:08 GMT
She's got some faces hasn't she May. For months it's been no deal is better than a bad deal now its a bad deal is better than now deal. Utterly pathetic. Time for a conviction politician to step forward. Are there any left?
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 14, 2018 11:06:46 GMT
She's got some faces hasn't she May. For months it's been no deal is better than a bad deal now its a bad deal is better than now deal. Utterly pathetic. Time for a conviction politician to step forward. Are there any left? Jefferey Archer is still knocking about - he's a convicted politician.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 14, 2018 11:13:13 GMT
How do you feel about the forthcoming EU Army Huddy? You know, the one they insisted there are no plans for. At least it would get funded properly.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 14, 2018 11:19:30 GMT
How do you feel about the forthcoming EU Army Huddy? You know, the one they insisted there are no plans for. At least it would get funded properly. Put them in charge of the railways, while we're at it!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 14, 2018 11:25:38 GMT
Sky shamefully biased again. Cunt with a People's Vote placard conveniently placed near Heseltine as he rims the EU, again.
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Post by musik on Nov 14, 2018 11:36:53 GMT
What are the advantages of being a member of the EU?
Here in Sweden the only things they (the politicians) mentioned before we became members were:
1) easier to work in other countries 2) easier to travel 3) co-operation to avoid criminality
Result: 1) Who does? Just a tiny amount of Swedes anyway. 2) Meaning less or no control? I hate this one! Recently, a friend of mine went to Greece. He said there were several safety and customs controls in Greece, but none(!) when he got back here. How could less controls ever be called an advantage? 3) Yeah right, he he. It's an exponential steady growth ever since ...
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 14, 2018 11:38:37 GMT
Picture the scene: Corbyn remembers his opposition to the EU, and decides to back Brexit. Could he win an election with this approach? Would any Tory voters, or Brexiteers see this as a price worth paying, and vote Labour? Would Labour voters on here suddenly find Brexit feasible or desirable?
Just throwing it out there.
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Post by flea79 on Nov 14, 2018 11:40:46 GMT
what a mess this all is
i am not overly informed on all this however maybe somebody who is could answer the below for me, in a neutral manner, no pushing a point
is no deal going to lead to us heading to WTO rules that currently apply to places like Canada and New Zealand?
reason i ask is the most sensible and easy to read thing i have seen on this is the pamphlet in wetherspoons at the weekend discussing this, if the above is correct is that such a bad thing?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 11:48:31 GMT
How do you feel about the forthcoming EU Army Huddy? You know, the one they insisted there are no plans for. At least it would get funded properly. By the time it had a meeting of the 28 and a vote to justify a war the enemy would have their flag up over the Reichstag...oops I mean "European parlaiment" Oh no, of course they wouldn't....the fat cats at the top wouldn't bother with voting....they'd just act on behalf of every one of their colonies (whether they like it or not) Russia and China would absolutely piss themselves laughing at an eu army
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 14, 2018 12:02:41 GMT
Picture the scene: Corbyn remembers his opposition to the EU, and decides to back Brexit. Could he win an election with this approach? Would any Tory voters, or Brexiteers see this as a price worth paying, and vote Labour? Would Labour voters on here suddenly find Brexit feasible or desirable? Just throwing it out there. Of course they'd get behind Brexit then. You only have to read the posts on this forum to see for yourself that if you scratch even slightly beneath the surface hardly any of the Remainers are against Brexit really, they're just full of hatred for the Tories & can't seperate Brexit/Tory, so they view being pro-Brexit as being pro-Tory, and because they're very much anti-Tory they have to, by default, be anti-Brexit. If Jezza/Labour threw their full weight behind Brexit (Like they should have done from the get go) suddenly the bell would finally ding for a lot of these people & they'd realise that being pro-Brexit does not mean you have to be pro-Tory at all & they'd fully support the idea. (A lot of people realised this from the off, hence massively pro-Labour areas like Stoke also being massive pro-Brexit. Unfortunately the Elite-types who write for the Guardian managed to convince their readership as this meant you were a thicko racist that didn't know what you were voting for.)
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 14, 2018 12:11:04 GMT
Picture the scene: Corbyn remembers his opposition to the EU, and decides to back Brexit. Could he win an election with this approach? Would any Tory voters, or Brexiteers see this as a price worth paying, and vote Labour? Would Labour voters on here suddenly find Brexit feasible or desirable? Just throwing it out there. Of course they'd get behind Brexit then. You only have to read the posts on this forum to see for yourself that if you scratch even slightly beneath the surface hardly any of the Remainers are against Brexit really, they're just full of hatred for the Tories & can't seperate Brexit/Tory, so they view being pro-Brexit as being pro-Tory, and because they're very much anti-Tory they have to, by default, be anti-Brexit. If Jezza/Labour threw their full weight behind Brexit (Like they should have done from the get go) suddenly the bell would finally ding for a lot of these people & they'd realise that being pro-Brexit does not mean you have to be pro-Tory at all & they'd fully support the idea. (A lot of people realised this from the off, hence massively pro-Labour areas like Stoke also being massive pro-Brexit. Unfortunately the Elite-types who write for the Guardian managed to convince their readership as this meant you were a thicko racist that didn't know what you were voting for.) Bang on the money for me.
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Post by lordb on Nov 14, 2018 12:17:31 GMT
How do you feel about the forthcoming EU Army Huddy? You know, the one they insisted there are no plans for. At least it would get funded properly. might even get some proper kit also wouldn't have (well not many) English upper-class cast offs in charge
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 14, 2018 13:09:22 GMT
Sky shamefully biased again. Cunt with a People's Vote placard conveniently placed near Heseltine as he rims the EU, again. Is it Faisal with the placard has he given up the pretence of impartiality at last Seems it is a crap deal but as long as we are leaving and we stop paying in and are not part of ever greater union it is still better than remain for me
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 14, 2018 13:23:42 GMT
Sky shamefully biased again. Cunt with a People's Vote placard conveniently placed near Heseltine as he rims the EU, again. Is it Faisal with the placard has he given up the pretence of impartiality at last Seems it is a crap deal but as long as we are leaving and we stop paying in and are not part of ever greater union it is still better than remain for me Whoever it is, if I was interviewing someone and that tit got on camera, his bollocks wouldn't be Remaining, that's for certain, and he'd need a back stop for 'em.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 14, 2018 13:34:36 GMT
Picture the scene: Corbyn remembers his opposition to the EU, and decides to back Brexit. Could he win an election with this approach? Would any Tory voters, or Brexiteers see this as a price worth paying, and vote Labour? Would Labour voters on here suddenly find Brexit feasible or desirable? Just throwing it out there. Of course they'd get behind Brexit then. You only have to read the posts on this forum to see for yourself that if you scratch even slightly beneath the surface hardly any of the Remainers are against Brexit really, they're just full of hatred for the Tories & can't seperate Brexit/Tory, so they view being pro-Brexit as being pro-Tory, and because they're very much anti-Tory they have to, by default, be anti-Brexit. If Jezza/Labour threw their full weight behind Brexit (Like they should have done from the get go) suddenly the bell would finally ding for a lot of these people & they'd realise that being pro-Brexit does not mean you have to be pro-Tory at all & they'd fully support the idea. (A lot of people realised this from the off, hence massively pro-Labour areas like Stoke also being massive pro-Brexit. Unfortunately the Elite-types who write for the Guardian managed to convince their readership as this meant you were a thicko racist that didn't know what you were voting for.) Here's what labour will be thinking... (or what I'd be thinking if I was a strategist in labour HQ) They will back Brexit - but not the Brexit deal Theresa may has negotiated. They will look to vote down the Brexit bill in parliament and force a general election. They will hope (with good cause) that the civil war in the Tory will put enough voters off voting Conservative meaning they, effectively, win by default. It's a useful reminder of an old election mantra: Opposition parties don't win elections, Governments lose them BTW, in this (highly likely) scenario a second referendum is much higher. Something the Tory Hard Brexiteers may like to consider. Meaning, what is on the table now is as good as it's likely to get.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 14, 2018 14:37:25 GMT
Penny Mordaunt and Esther McVey resigning today apparently.
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