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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 13, 2018 19:38:36 GMT
"Brexit means.... something else". As an ardent leaver, this deal looks worse than staying in, how any PM can even pretend that this is good deal beggars belief. Self determination is a basic principle that should be a given for every population on the planet, and she's about to give ours away as she lies that we're taking back control. That's my worry, that they will go to the country again with her capitulation or Remain being the options, so either way we basically stay in. I think there will be millions who never vote again after this.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 13, 2018 20:09:37 GMT
Pisser! Where is the outrage at this? Remainers didn't know what they were voting for! I voted for things to stay as they are. The UK would have had a veto on plans for an EU army and has said it would not be part of an EU army. fullfact.org/europe/hunt-eu-army/My dad voted to join a trading block in 1970 whenever, nobody asked for any approval afterwards to do what has happened since so he voted out when given the chance something brown and blair lied about, brown signing the lisbon treaty ( eu constitution) without a picture even being taken and without the referendum promised. So forgive me if I don't believe the veto would have been exercised.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 13, 2018 20:12:16 GMT
As an ardent leaver, this deal looks worse than staying in, how any PM can even pretend that this is good deal beggars belief. Self determination is a basic principle that should be a given for every population on the planet, and she's about to give ours away as she lies that we're taking back control. That's my worry, that they will go to the country again with her capitulation or Remain being the options, so either way we basically stay in. I think there will be millions who never vote again after this. There is no time for a third referendum we leave on 29 March, previous referendum took longer than we have left to set the question and pass the legislation.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 13, 2018 20:32:04 GMT
Pisser! Where is the outrage at this? Remainers didn't know what they were voting for! I voted for things to stay as they are. The UK would have had a veto on plans for an EU army and has said it would not be part of an EU army. fullfact.org/europe/hunt-eu-army/I should also add voting for things to stay as there are is no longer an option, the veto and rebate have been removed and Merkel stating so openly there is to be an EU army means remain loses any third or fourth referendum so happy days are here
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 13, 2018 20:51:46 GMT
Pisser! Where is the outrage at this? Remainers didn't know what they were voting for! I voted for things to stay as they are. The UK would have had a veto on plans for an EU army and has said it would not be part of an EU army. fullfact.org/europe/hunt-eu-army/Stay as they are? So you're against the next wave of EU expansion? Serbia, Montenegro, Albania and Macedonia could be joining in 2025. Not to mention the EU's new border in Africa....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 13, 2018 21:19:43 GMT
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Post by pearo on Nov 13, 2018 21:19:43 GMT
As an ardent leaver, this deal looks worse than staying in, how any PM can even pretend that this is good deal beggars belief. Self determination is a basic principle that should be a given for every population on the planet, and she's about to give ours away as she lies that we're taking back control. That's my worry, that they will go to the country again with her capitulation or Remain being the options, so either way we basically stay in. I think there will be millions who never vote again after this. Dicky, I fear you may well be right, and a second referendum offers Remain or Remain Lite. As I’ve said before if this is the case there will be many angry and dissolutioned leave voters, Farage will galvanise their position and make massive gains at the first general election after the second referendum. Where the EU have made other countries revote until the “right “ result is achieved, it won’t happen here, even Remainers who are friends of mine say they now realise that the EU is a corrupt institution that they no longer want to be part of.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 13, 2018 21:45:44 GMT
Given the choice between living in a vassal state and living in a state with that wanker in charge, I honestly think I'd go for the vassal state.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 13, 2018 22:09:00 GMT
Given the choice between living in a vassal state and living in a state with that wanker in charge, I honestly think I'd go for the vassal state. I would not Partick. He seems to mean what he says for once and it's too big a question to be concerned about the personalities ( who only have a short shelf life in any case) for me . It does not mean I particularly like everything he says, which for me goes for most politicians, no matter their media persona. I guess Churchill had his faults
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 13, 2018 22:14:30 GMT
Whilst in the process, admitting that we've always been in control of our laws.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 13, 2018 22:16:22 GMT
Whilst in the process, admitting that we've always been in control of our laws. I don't think so myself and it's not the important point that he is making
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 13, 2018 22:22:56 GMT
Anyone had remainer drones, from the people's vote, knocking on your door asking you to fill in a survey on some fancy leaflet? Who the fuck is paying for all that?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 13, 2018 22:23:38 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 13, 2018 22:24:03 GMT
I voted for things to stay as they are. The UK would have had a veto on plans for an EU army and has said it would not be part of an EU army. fullfact.org/europe/hunt-eu-army/Stay as they are? So you're against the next wave of EU expansion? Serbia, Montenegro, Albania and Macedonia could be joining in 2025. Not to mention the EU's new border in Africa.... And an endless supply of cheap foreign labour. Fucking ace.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 13, 2018 22:28:20 GMT
The very idea of running your own country!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 13, 2018 22:29:52 GMT
I must understand " it" differently from you Dave. I think he is simply saying that the proposed Chequer's deal reinforces/ enshrines the power/ law making superiority of the EU over the UK as we enter the ' new' relationship. That is what really matters now, in my opinion
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 13, 2018 22:40:39 GMT
Any thoughts on the MPs who voted for Article 50, yet still want to remain in the Customs Union, etc?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 13, 2018 23:00:48 GMT
Money well spent
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 13, 2018 23:06:20 GMT
And it's a big fuck you from MPs to the working class, and 17.4 million people who exercised their right to vote. Democracy is a fallacy.
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 13, 2018 23:32:09 GMT
And it's a big fuck you from MPs to the working class, and 17.4 million people who exercised their right to vote. Democracy is a fallacy. It was the deepest of conspiracies from the onset.....there never was a true intention to leave. I shall never vote for Labour/Con or Lib Dem ever again. All this has done is undermine what little belief I had in democracy. I wonder what level of public disobedience will be allowed....I suspect little if it comes from Brexiteers. The establishment are saving up for a world of pain and I hope they get everthing they deserve with this level of treachery.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 13, 2018 23:46:27 GMT
And it's a big fuck you from MPs to the working class, and 17.4 million people who exercised their right to vote. Democracy is a fallacy. It was the deepest of conspiracies from the onset.....there never was a true intention to leave. I shall never vote for Labour/Con or Lib Dem ever again. All this has done is undermine what little belief I had in democracy. I wonder what level of public disobedience will be allowed....I suspect little if it comes from Brexiteers. The establishment are saving up for a world of pain and I hope they get everthing they deserve with this level of treachery. I said from the word go it was a rig up. May called an election when she didn't need to, Labour miraculously closed a 20 point gap in the polls, thus weakening the chances of a real Brexit. Most of the Brexiteers dropped out, one by one, and now this. It's all been a sham, yet many on here and in the country seem happy with a democratic vote being overturned. You are right, none of them deserve your vote.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 14, 2018 1:07:29 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 14, 2018 6:19:30 GMT
Oh what a surprise huddy with a twee tweet or meme, there are actually two camps people who voted leave and understand that means actually leaving the EU and people clutching at straws. I voted to leave the EU not for the terms of a trade deal.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 14, 2018 7:41:16 GMT
Morning all!
Going to be an interesting day to say the least. I'd just like to wish you all well and I'd like to say, fuck Brexit, fuck Boris Johnson, fuck Theresa May, fuck the Tories and fuck the last 2 years in UK politics. And watch out for Gove over the next few days, been ominously quiet of late the slimy little shit.
Have a good day, hope it goes as well as possible for you, whichever 'side' you are on.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 14, 2018 7:50:48 GMT
The deal that May is proposing is worse than the one we have now.
Taking back control of what?
And paying for it.
And watch out for that slimy little fucker Gove..the new Tory leader.
All these arseholes are interested in is their own careers..not this Country.
Despicable.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 14, 2018 8:10:57 GMT
Morning all! Going to be an interesting day to say the least. I'd just like to wish you all well and I'd like to say, fuck Brexit, fuck Boris Johnson, fuck Theresa May, fuck the Tories and fuck the last 2 years in UK politics. And watch out for Gove over the next few days, been ominously quiet of late the slimy little shit. Have a good day, hope it goes as well as possible for you, whichever 'side' you are on. What about fuck Corbyn, fuck Cable, fuck the SNP, the DUP etc, etc The whole lot of them are responsible for this fucking mess. Seems to me nobody is much interested in finding a solution, just pushing various unrealistic self-interests. Meantime, Joe Public is ignored.
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 14, 2018 8:12:44 GMT
All these arseholes are interested in is their own careers..not this Country. Despicable. That's the Me generation for you. Individualism good, collectivism bad. All very binary & forget critical thinking, People have had enough of facts...
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 14, 2018 8:36:50 GMT
Morning all! Going to be an interesting day to say the least. I'd just like to wish you all well and I'd like to say, fuck Brexit, fuck Boris Johnson, fuck Theresa May, fuck the Tories and fuck the last 2 years in UK politics. And watch out for Gove over the next few days, been ominously quiet of late the slimy little shit. Have a good day, hope it goes as well as possible for you, whichever 'side' you are on. What about fuck Corbyn, fuck Cable, fuck the SNP, the DUP etc, etc The whole lot of them are responsible for this fucking mess. Seems to me nobody is much interested in finding a solution, just pushing various unrealistic self-interests. Meantime, Joe Public is ignored. All the DUP are asking for is to leave the Eu and to be treated exactly the same as every other part of the country Seems fair to me and apart from the Lib Dem’s and sturgeon’ s rabble seem the only other party totally united on the subject
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 14, 2018 8:52:22 GMT
Ah, the Remainers again belittling those who don’t agree with them as being obviously thick. It must be great to wake up every morning, knowing that you are intellectually superior to the thick plebs and you know what is best for them. Such a feeling of helping the less fortunate must give them a real cosy glow deep inside. 1984 alive and well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 8:53:40 GMT
Morning all! Going to be an interesting day to say the least. I'd just like to wish you all well and I'd like to say, fuck Brexit, fuck Boris Johnson, fuck Theresa May, fuck the Tories and fuck the last 2 years in UK politics. And watch out for Gove over the next few days, been ominously quiet of late the slimy little shit. Have a good day, hope it goes as well as possible for you, whichever 'side' you are on. What about fuck Corbyn, fuck Cable, fuck the SNP, the DUP etc, etc K The whole lot of them are responsible for this fucking mess. Seems to me nobody is much interested in finding a solution, just pushing various unrealistic self-interests. Meantime, Joe Public is ignored. Spot on Partick - there's been nobody behind supporting the result of the referendum. All we've heard is the continued moaning, groaning, whingeing, and general opposition to any aspect of respecting the result.
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