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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 3:10:51 GMT
I am just wondering why a trading block needs an army to begin with espicially as we were told during referendum there was absolutely no plans for an EU army, as it wasn't written on the side of a bus I guess no one will go on and on about it U.N: " We're the most corrupt and useless bloated military carcass around!" E.U: ' Hold my beer...'
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Post by felonious on Nov 8, 2018 6:17:04 GMT
I am just wondering why a trading block needs an army to begin with espicially as we were told during referendum there was absolutely no plans for an EU army, as it wasn't written on the side of a bus I guess no one will go on and on about it Common market, common currency, common laws, common army.....I think there's a trend.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 8, 2018 7:33:10 GMT
If only they had a head-to-head election in the not too distant past to allow the French people to decide. Do we need a real European army to defend ourselves against the USA? He's surely got to be an EU stooge to come out with that crap.
Strange election don't you think. A nobody winning out of nowhere. In these days of funding hysteria you do wonder why there isn't a bigger fuss over his rise to power. EU funds to pay party workers anyone?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/21/emmanuel-macrons-justice-defence-europe-ministers-resign-defend/
It was an election in a similar vein to Trump, Cinque Stelle in Italy etc. An outsider rising to power.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 8, 2018 7:49:55 GMT
Not even pretending to hide it now. Obviously all the remainers knew what they were voting for and are happy with this.
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Post by felonious on Nov 8, 2018 7:55:20 GMT
It was an election in a similar vein to Trump, Cinque Stelle in Italy etc. An outsider rising to power. Surely the outsider was the EU sceptic Le Pen and the establishment figure the EU loving Macron. The existing establishment figures were embroiled in scandal giving Le Pen an outside chance then, out of the blue, long comes a banker with a brand new party.
There's a whiff of scandal around him now so what better than to have a swipe at the USA? Distracts the electorate from discussing the little matter of those EU funds.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 8, 2018 8:03:35 GMT
I am just wondering why a trading block needs an army to begin with espicially as we were told during referendum there was absolutely no plans for an EU army, as it wasn't written on the side of a bus I guess no one will go on and on about it Common market, common currency, common laws, common army.....I think there's a trend. Common fisheries policy( could be a better policy for our island), common agricultural policy ( sacrosanct for the French, not necessarily the best for us), common industrial policy......sounds a bit like ' ever closer union' Do we need to share currencies, borders with the USA ( Or moreso let them dictate policies) in order to trade with them..,...and realistically if " the West" was seriously under threat we would turn to the USA (; apparently now a threat to " Europe" for help. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-european-army-france-russia-us-military-defence-eu-a8619721.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 8, 2018 11:20:49 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you your, Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union.
I'm not sure whether these people are charlatans, cretins or both.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 8, 2018 13:10:19 GMT
I can remember , perhaps a year or two ago some people saying that the EU army would never happen. Possibly because of the Brexit debate I think the EU is more open ( it is difficult to hide some aspects of Union) about its true intentions. Surrendering sovereignty and democracy is a much more important issue than " getting a deal"
Where do those supporting the EU, thereby supporting Ever Closer Union, stand on the EU army. We don't have an option out. ( Foreign policy made in Brussels?)
Mr. Macron quotes without naming them "authoritarian powers that re-emerge and re-arm themselves on the borders of Europe". He calls for " protecting us from China, Russia and even the United States of America", citing the American decision to withdraw from a nuclear disarmament treaty of the 1980s: "Who is it the main victim? ", He asks:" Europe and its security ".
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 8, 2018 13:55:01 GMT
Not even pretending to hide it now. Obviously all the remainers knew what they were voting for and are happy with this. yep and because of your brexit supporters we have lost our veto and cant influence any aspect of this or any other policy so well done !!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 15:03:02 GMT
Not even pretending to hide it now. Obviously all the remainers knew what they were voting for and are happy with this. He's like the fucking emperor from star wars...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 8, 2018 16:44:39 GMT
A man ( who happens to be German) totally committed to ever closer union and a United States of Europe.....no doubt about the direction of travel unless we do manage to get on the lifeboat. I don't think any government has the right to give away democracy. “The EU is based on an ever closer union of European peoples. That is set out in the treaties. It is not negotiable for us,” Weber told the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung. “We cannot sell the soul of Europe,” he added, also rejecting any demands to let national parliaments win rights to stop European laws. “If we grant every national parliament a veto right, Europe would come to a standstill,” he said uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-eu/new-head-of-european-conservatives-dismisses-camerons-eu-demands-idUKKBN0EI0ND20140607
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Post by capto on Nov 8, 2018 16:48:01 GMT
Nicky Morgan MPVerified account This from jack_Blanchard_ Politico newsletter this morning ‘“I hadn’t quite understood the full extent of this,” Raab admitted, “but if you look at the U.K. and look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing...Gulp’ #enoughsaid Peter JukesVerified account @peterjukes Following Following @peterjukes One way to gerrymander a referendum: vast overspends on dark ads on social media combined with stolen targeting data, combined an illicit common plan with two Leave campaigns, boosted by US hedge fund billionaires and Russian troll farms, That might work. It's all in evidence. Tom PeckVerified account @tompeck If there are people out there still unsure about whether it would be ok to have a second referendum, this is the actual Brexit Secretary, two years after the first referendum, saying he "hadn't fully understood" that a lot of the country's food arrives in Dover from Calais. 1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie?
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Post by yeokel on Nov 8, 2018 17:34:04 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you your, Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union. I'm not sure whether these people are charlatans, cretins or both. You do know that we have a lot of ferry ports and there are a lot of ferry routes that leave this country across the Channel, the Irish Sea and the North Sea? As well as many, many airports, container shipping docks, and roads that also get used to transport incoming and outgoing goods? All he is saying in that clip is he hadn’t realised how important the Dover/Calais route is compared with the others. All the rest of this faux shock about what he is saying is complete bollocks. But you remainers do like to join in and share in your collective mock shock, don’t you? Have you actually watched the clip, or are you just joining in because you think it is the right thing to be seen to be doing?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 8, 2018 17:42:37 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you your, Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union. I'm not sure whether these people are charlatans, cretins or both. You do know that we have a lot of ferry ports and there are a lot of ferry routes that leave this country across the Channel, the Irish Sea and the North Sea? As well as many, many airports, container shipping docks, and roads that also get used to transport incoming and outgoing goods? All he is saying in that clip is he hadn’t realised how important the Dover/Calais route is compared with the others. All the rest of this faux shock about what he is saying is complete bollocks. But you remainers do like to join in and share in your collective mock shock, don’t you? Have you actually watched the clip, or are you just joining in because you think it is the right thing to be seen to be doing? Your first mistake is assuming I'm a remainer! Oh come on, the bloke is has made a right twat of himself and sums up the quality of people we have in public life, as this process has from start to finish. Fucking abysmal.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 8, 2018 19:08:04 GMT
You do know that we have a lot of ferry ports and there are a lot of ferry routes that leave this country across the Channel, the Irish Sea and the North Sea? As well as many, many airports, container shipping docks, and roads that also get used to transport incoming and outgoing goods? All he is saying in that clip is he hadn’t realised how important the Dover/Calais route is compared with the others. All the rest of this faux shock about what he is saying is complete bollocks. But you remainers do like to join in and share in your collective mock shock, don’t you? Have you actually watched the clip, or are you just joining in because you think it is the right thing to be seen to be doing? Your first mistake is assuming I'm a remainer! Oh come on, the bloke is has made a right twat of himself and sums up the quality of people we have in public life, as this process has from start to finish. Fucking abysmal. "Your first mistake is assuming I'm a remainer" Fair enough And yes, he muddled up a few words but it was nothing like as bad as it is being suggested.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 8, 2018 21:08:41 GMT
Your first mistake is assuming I'm a remainer! Oh come on, the bloke is has made a right twat of himself and sums up the quality of people we have in public life, as this process has from start to finish. Fucking abysmal. "Your first mistake is assuming I'm a remainer" Fair enough And yes, he muddled up a few words but it was nothing like as bad as it is being suggested. Come on, Brexit is being run by the biggest procession of clowns this country has ever seen, and those at the forefront of Remain are little better.
chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2018/11/ignorance-and-irresponsibility-continue.html?m=1
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Post by capto on Nov 9, 2018 17:18:49 GMT
Steve Bullock @guitarmoog · When someone comes up with a benign explanation for the Government spending public money specifically to stop MPs having full information before voting on the Withdrawal Agreement, do let me know. All the ones I can think of are very far from benign. Jo Maugham QCVerified account @jolyonmaugham Our lawyers tell me we have now had at least 11 court hearings on the Article 50 case and the Government has lost, either initially or on appeal or both, every time. But it continues to pour public money into fighting this case. If you can help, please do: www.crowdjustice.com/case/strengthening/medium.com/@jojohnsonuk/why-i-cannot-support-the-governments-proposed-brexit-deal-3d289f95f2bc1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie?
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 9, 2018 17:40:36 GMT
Boris Johnson`s brother has joined the call for a second vote
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 9, 2018 17:46:55 GMT
Johnson
"Hopes for the 'easiest trade deal in history' have proved to be delusions,"
"Contrary to promises, there is in fact no deal at all on our future trading relationship with the EU which the government can present to the country,"
"on the brink of the greatest crisis" since World War Two, whats on offer wasn't "anything like what was promised".
"While we wait to negotiate trading terms, the rules of the game will be set solely by the EU. Britain will lose its seat at the table and its ability to amend or vote down rules it opposes."
Jo Johnson
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 9, 2018 17:55:38 GMT
Johnson "Hopes for the 'easiest trade deal in history' have proved to be delusions," "Contrary to promises, there is in fact no deal at all on our future trading relationship with the EU which the government can present to the country," "on the brink of the greatest crisis" since World War Two, whats on offer wasn't "anything like what was promised". "While we wait to negotiate trading terms, the rules of the game will be set solely by the EU. Britain will lose its seat at the table and its ability to amend or vote down rules it opposes." Jo Johnson You forgot "Jo Johnson voted Remain in the 2016 referendum and is a former universities minister. "
The end is nigh, the Remoaners are heading for the cliff...
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 9, 2018 18:00:23 GMT
Johnson "Hopes for the 'easiest trade deal in history' have proved to be delusions," "Contrary to promises, there is in fact no deal at all on our future trading relationship with the EU which the government can present to the country," "on the brink of the greatest crisis" since World War Two, whats on offer wasn't "anything like what was promised". "While we wait to negotiate trading terms, the rules of the game will be set solely by the EU. Britain will lose its seat at the table and its ability to amend or vote down rules it opposes." Jo Johnson You forgot "Jo Johnson voted Remain in the 2016 referendum and is a former universities minister. "
The end is nigh, the Remoaners are heading for the cliff... I think you mean Brexit is heading for the cliff?
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 9, 2018 18:04:32 GMT
Johnson "Hopes for the 'easiest trade deal in history' have proved to be delusions," "Contrary to promises, there is in fact no deal at all on our future trading relationship with the EU which the government can present to the country," "on the brink of the greatest crisis" since World War Two, whats on offer wasn't "anything like what was promised". "While we wait to negotiate trading terms, the rules of the game will be set solely by the EU. Britain will lose its seat at the table and its ability to amend or vote down rules it opposes." Jo Johnson You forgot "Jo Johnson voted Remain in the 2016 referendum and is a former universities minister. "
The end is nigh, the Remoaners are heading for the cliff... Nope didn't miss it see my other post on this government is an utter shambles!!!
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Post by Northy on Nov 9, 2018 18:18:48 GMT
Boris Johnson`s brother has joined the call for a second vote You forgot to put in 'remainer' at the start
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 9, 2018 18:23:24 GMT
You forgot "Jo Johnson voted Remain in the 2016 referendum and is a former universities minister. "
The end is nigh, the Remoaners are heading for the cliff... Nope didn't miss it see my other post on this government is an utter shambles!!! I've never been on that thread. We may approach that subject from different angles but we came to the same conclusion!!
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 9, 2018 18:27:35 GMT
Has anyone who wants a second vote considered the consequences of what conditions the EU would place on us to revoke Article 50??? We haven't left yet but we've invoked Article 50 which makes turning back subject to EU agreements. Surely no one would want that scenario???
I suppose the gullible remainers are so frightened and cowed they would accept any old shit?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 9, 2018 18:30:06 GMT
Johnson "Hopes for the 'easiest trade deal in history' have proved to be delusions," "Contrary to promises, there is in fact no deal at all on our future trading relationship with the EU which the government can present to the country," "on the brink of the greatest crisis" since World War Two, whats on offer wasn't "anything like what was promised". "While we wait to negotiate trading terms, the rules of the game will be set solely by the EU. Britain will lose its seat at the table and its ability to amend or vote down rules it opposes." Jo Johnson You forgot "Jo Johnson voted Remain in the 2016 referendum and is a former universities minister. "
The end is nigh, the Remoaners are heading for the cliff... You have more faith than I, Clayton. I still think May will shaft us.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 9, 2018 18:34:15 GMT
You have more faith than I, Clayton. I still think May will shaft us. Of course she will, she's a fully fledged Remainer. I agree with Johnson's comments, the games rules will be set fully by the EU, and we wont be able to oppose anything we don't like... Which does nothing but prove us right all along. We're not getting Brexit in the slightest, we're infact getting the exact opposite, we're getting Remain on steroids.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 9, 2018 18:41:21 GMT
Has anyone who wants a second vote considered the consequences of what conditions the EU would place on us to revoke Article 50??? We haven't left yet but we've invoked Article 50 which makes turning back subject to EU agreements. Surely no one would want that scenario??? I suppose the gullible remainers are so frightened and cowed they would accept any old shit? At the moment this point is in the hand of the courts and has gone all the way up to .... you've guessed it the European court!!!
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Post by lordb on Nov 9, 2018 18:46:22 GMT
Genuinely can't perceive any positive outcome.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 9, 2018 18:54:47 GMT
You forgot "Jo Johnson voted Remain in the 2016 referendum and is a former universities minister. "
The end is nigh, the Remoaners are heading for the cliff... You have more faith than I, Clayton. I still think May will shaft us. May will try but party politics will come into play and the opposition will force a no deal in place for a while. The question is what happens then? Probably a GE and all bets are off on the path after that. Instead of sniping Corbyn, if elected, will have to put into play the deal that he says he has, that is waiting to be signed by the EU. We'll see.
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