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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 6, 2018 6:29:12 GMT
Remain would win a new Brexit poll by 54%-46%, according to analysis of one of the largest surveys carried out on the issue. Some 20,000 people were questioned in a Survation poll for Channel 4 which estimated 105 local authority areas that voted Leave in 2016 would now be carried by the Remain side. linkSo what's your point ? Perhaps the point is that this close to leaving people should be coming round to thinking that Brexit is not going to be so bad after all, a nation getting a tingle at the prospect of being free from the EU, whereas it appears it is such a monumental fuck-up that it cannot even keep half the people on its side.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 6, 2018 7:54:25 GMT
Perhaps the point is that this close to leaving people should be coming round to thinking that Brexit is not going to be so bad after all, a nation getting a tingle at the prospect of being free from the EU, whereas it appears it is such a monumental fuck-up that it cannot even keep half the people on its side. After two years of concerted pressure telling us we are wrong Daily reports of the disasters waiting to happen Millions spent on on trying to get a second vote Two years of consistent anti brexit media bias Bunch of bog trotters threatening to kick off And yet 46% allegedly would still vote leave some fall off of support that
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 6, 2018 7:55:12 GMT
A lot on here say the will of the people so lets give the will of the people an option to change there minds in a new vote !! Fuck EU!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 6, 2018 7:59:51 GMT
Remain would win a new Brexit poll by 54%-46%, according to analysis of one of the largest surveys carried out on the issue. Some 20,000 people were questioned in a Survation poll for Channel 4 which estimated 105 local authority areas that voted Leave in 2016 would now be carried by the Remain side. linkThe polls before the actual vote indicated similar outcomes to the one you quote, what’s your point..........? Channel 4 can go shit in their hat. They have been Remain cheerleaders the same as BBC and Sky. What a surprise they have come out with this!
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 6, 2018 8:37:22 GMT
Some of the two faced posters on here moan if it does not agree with there point of view, moan that its not democratic if it does not support there view and slag off those that don't want to leave the eu with personal insults and abuse. they also bang on about democracy and the views of the people but then when the views of the people are not the same as there's they start swearing and abuse. I wonder if they had lost last referendum that they would have shut up and gone away like they want eu supporters to the evidence of 40 years is no so again two faced. What they and others on here seem to have missed is that there cheerleader in chief Jacob reiss Mogg has stated publically that we will not see any benefit for 60 plus years and even that's not guaranteed so basically the people who may benefit haven't even been born yet and the rest of us will be worse off. At least there not lying now like they did in the campaign (they even brag about this in a book). we also hear daily of the breaches of election rules that were taken and this which now referred to the police for potential criminal charges, we also hear that other government funded/ interfered in the democratic vote/
you ask the question if the brexiteers are so convinced that this is the will of the people then why are they so against a vote that could confirm the will of the people?? think you can draw your own conclusions on that one!!!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 6, 2018 9:21:38 GMT
Some of the two faced posters on here moan if it does not agree with there point of view, moan that its not democratic if it does not support there view and slag off those that don't want to leave the eu with personal insults and abuse. they also bang on about democracy and the views of the people but then when the views of the people are not the same as there's they start swearing and abuse. I wonder if they had lost last referendum that they would have shut up and gone away like they want eu supporters to the evidence of 40 years is no so again two faced. What they and others on here seem to have missed is that there cheerleader in chief Jacob reiss Mogg has stated publically that we will not see any benefit for 60 plus years and even that's not guaranteed so basically the people who may benefit haven't even been born yet and the rest of us will be worse off. At least there not lying now like they did in the campaign (they even brag about this in a book). we also hear daily of the breaches of election rules that were taken and this which now referred to the police for potential criminal charges, we also hear that other government funded/ interfered in the democratic vote/ you ask the question if the brexiteers are so convinced that this is the will of the people then why are they so against a vote that could confirm the will of the people?? think you can draw your own conclusions on that one!!! The point is, Essex, where do you draw the line? If Corbyn gets elected, and there is scrutiny of his policies which suggests that they won't work, do we scrap his election over the doubt? Do we hold Labour to account over their broken promises on Brexit, or if the Tories got in similar changes of tune? The damage a u-turn would do to democracy is obvious. You are telling someone that their vote doesn't count. I have worked with people who have not voted in years, but voted for Brexit on principle. They are now having their original apathy confirmed. To be honest, I think they have a point.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 6, 2018 10:33:19 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 6, 2018 12:19:00 GMT
Macron's approval rate is plummeting. He's not been in the green all year and some recent polls have him as low as 21%. He's a federalist. He's an 'ever expanding' 'ever closer' Union guy. His default reaction to political pressure is more of the same. Doubling down on exactly what is spitting the Union up!
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 6, 2018 12:44:24 GMT
Remain would win a new Brexit poll by 54%-46%, according to analysis of one of the largest surveys carried out on the issue. Some 20,000 people were questioned in a Survation poll for Channel 4 which estimated 105 local authority areas that voted Leave in 2016 would now be carried by the Remain side. linkAbsolute bullshit independent poll my arse the bloody channel four presenter couldn’t hide his glee with the alleged result 20 thousand people works out less than 31 people polled per constituency Some poll that
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Post by felonious on Nov 6, 2018 12:53:10 GMT
Macron's approval rate is plummeting. He's not been in the green all year and some recent polls have him as low as 21%. He's a federalist. He's an 'ever expanding' 'ever closer' Union guy. His default reaction to political pressure is more of the same. Doubling down on exactly what is spitting the Union up! Playing the anti USA card presumably. What country in their right minds would elect a banker?
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 6, 2018 12:56:34 GMT
Macron's approval rate is plummeting. He's not been in the green all year and some recent polls have him as low as 21%. He's a federalist. He's an 'ever expanding' 'ever closer' Union guy. His default reaction to political pressure is more of the same. Doubling down on exactly what is spitting the Union up! Playing the anti USA card presumably. What country in their right minds would elect a banker? To be fair he is probably right not to rely on the french army for protection
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Post by felonious on Nov 6, 2018 13:06:02 GMT
Playing the anti USA card presumably. What country in their right minds would elect a banker? To be fair he is probably right not to rely on the french army for protection ..... and history should tell him that he's looking in the wrong direction
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 6, 2018 17:37:49 GMT
Crikey....is he for real with the US comments? I know who I’d rather be lining up with in the event of bother and it certainly isn’t a country with a history of defeat and capitulation the moment invaders come near.
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Post by felonious on Nov 6, 2018 19:21:54 GMT
Crikey....is he for real with the US comments? I know who I’d rather be lining up with in the event of bother and it certainly isn’t a country with a history of defeat and capitulation the moment invaders come near. Sounds like the EU have put a stooge into power in France.
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Post by stokie66 on Nov 6, 2018 20:26:29 GMT
Crikey....is he for real with the US comments? I know who I’d rather be lining up with in the event of bother and it certainly isn’t a country with a history of defeat and capitulation the moment invaders come near. Sounds like the EU have put a stooge into power in France. Actually I think he was voted into power by the French people. Or do you suspect skullduggery by those horrible Europeans in Brussels?
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Post by ravey123 on Nov 6, 2018 20:38:34 GMT
Perhaps the point is that this close to leaving people should be coming round to thinking that Brexit is not going to be so bad after all, a nation getting a tingle at the prospect of being free from the EU, whereas it appears it is such a monumental fuck-up that it cannot even keep half the people on its side. After two years of concerted pressure telling us we are wrong Daily reports of the disasters waiting to happen Millions spent on on trying to get a second vote Two years of consistent anti brexit media bias Bunch of bog trotters threatening to kick off And yet 46% allegedly would still vote leave some fall off of support that Bang on Waggy. The government and media bias blatantly undertaken this last 2 years is an absolute disgrace to balanced democracy.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 6, 2018 20:41:50 GMT
After two years of concerted pressure telling us we are wrong Daily reports of the disasters waiting to happen Millions spent on on trying to get a second vote Two years of consistent anti brexit media bias Bunch of bog trotters threatening to kick off And yet 46% allegedly would still vote leave some fall off of support that Bang on Waggy. The government and media bias blatantly undertaken this last 2 years is an absolute disgrace to balanced democracy. Yet either unseen or supported by some on here.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 6, 2018 21:00:27 GMT
Bang on Waggy. The government and media bias blatantly undertaken this last 2 years is an absolute disgrace to balanced democracy. Yet either unseen or supported by some on here. If Leavers could point to something material and positive about Brexit then perhaps support would be growing rather than dripping slowly away. Perhaps a major multinational saying that the opportunities Brexit brings means it will build something big here it wasn't going to had we stayed in the EU. No, we just have Mogg saying the jam comes in 50 years' time.
I thought there was going to be revolt against Chequers by the public and a demand we have a harder Brexit? Nah- most of them just want this over one way or the other with their jobs intact and no queue at the airport . The Brexit delivered will be neither hard nor soft- more a flaccid Brexit, and no matter how much the likes of Johnson and Farage suck on it it's not going to come to life.
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Post by capto on Nov 6, 2018 21:08:54 GMT
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1059847376104574976.html1. For every £1.00 (0.6% of GDP) we contribute to the EU, the country earns over £10 from membership 2. For every £10 the UK earns, 82%, so £8-20 goes to the top 1% of the population. 3. Everything quitters, leavers, brexiteers, far-right, MSM etc you about the EU is lies 4. Ask the question - why would they lie?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 6, 2018 22:26:59 GMT
Yet either unseen or supported by some on here. If Leavers could point to something material and positive about Brexit then perhaps support would be growing rather than dripping slowly away. Perhaps a major multinational saying that the opportunities Brexit brings means it will build something big here it wasn't going to had we stayed in the EU. No, we just have Mogg saying the jam comes in 50 years' time.
I thought there was going to be revolt against Chequers by the public and a demand we have a harder Brexit? Nah- most of them just want this over one way or the other with their jobs intact and no queue at the airport . The Brexit delivered will be neither hard nor soft- more a flaccid Brexit, and no matter how much the likes of Johnson and Farage suck on it it's not going to come to life.
Well, two and a half years of negative media has worn a lot of people down. Most people who voted Brexit haven't got the money to have time off work to have a march in London, and doubtless our Pete wouldn't lay transport on for them to do so. Yeah, fear will probably win the day, I agree. My main gripe is, apart from David Davis, nobody has even tried to make Brexit work. He was reportedly scuppered by the civil service, so he resigned. Where I do agree with you, is on the cowardice shown by other Brexiteers. If Johnson and Rees-Moggy really believe in Brexit, they should have the bollocks to come forward with a plan to make it happen. But then guts are in short supply in politics today, aren't they? If politicians had any they would have stood by their principles and not voted 6-1 for the referendum. I have said many times on here, how are they still in jobs if they have supposedly put the country in peril? Now they are reneging on their responsibility again, by trying to hand it back to the public. Is it any wonder that a lot of people don't bother voting?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 6, 2018 22:38:44 GMT
If Leavers could point to something material and positive about Brexit then perhaps support would be growing rather than dripping slowly away. Perhaps a major multinational saying that the opportunities Brexit brings means it will build something big here it wasn't going to had we stayed in the EU. No, we just have Mogg saying the jam comes in 50 years' time.
I thought there was going to be revolt against Chequers by the public and a demand we have a harder Brexit? Nah- most of them just want this over one way or the other with their jobs intact and no queue at the airport . The Brexit delivered will be neither hard nor soft- more a flaccid Brexit, and no matter how much the likes of Johnson and Farage suck on it it's not going to come to life.
Well, two and a half years of negative media has worn a lot of people down. Most people who voted Brexit haven't got the money to have time off work to have a march in London, and doubtless our Pete wouldn't lay transport on for them to do so. Yeah, fear will probably win the day, I agree. My main gripe is, apart from David Davis, nobody has even tried to make Brexit work. He was reportedly scuppered by the civil service, so he resigned. Where I do agree with you, is on the cowardice shown by other Brexiteers. If Johnson and Rees-Moggy really believe in Brexit, they should have the bollocks to come forward with a plan to make it happen. But then guts are in short supply in politics today, aren't they? If politicians had any they would have stood by their principles and not voted 6-1 for the referendum. I have said many times on here, how are they still in jobs if they have supposedly put the country in peril? Now they are reneging on their responsibility again, by trying to hand it back to the public. Is it any wonder that a lot of people don't bother voting? A bit disappointing that it's taken just two-and-a-half years of negative media to grind down enthusiasm for Brexit, when it took 20-odd years of negative media to grind down enthusiasm for the EU. I assume the option of having weak-as-piss politicians is the will of the people, given that they keep voting them in.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 6, 2018 22:41:22 GMT
Well, two and a half years of negative media has worn a lot of people down. Most people who voted Brexit haven't got the money to have time off work to have a march in London, and doubtless our Pete wouldn't lay transport on for them to do so. Yeah, fear will probably win the day, I agree. My main gripe is, apart from David Davis, nobody has even tried to make Brexit work. He was reportedly scuppered by the civil service, so he resigned. Where I do agree with you, is on the cowardice shown by other Brexiteers. If Johnson and Rees-Moggy really believe in Brexit, they should have the bollocks to come forward with a plan to make it happen. But then guts are in short supply in politics today, aren't they? If politicians had any they would have stood by their principles and not voted 6-1 for the referendum. I have said many times on here, how are they still in jobs if they have supposedly put the country in peril? Now they are reneging on their responsibility again, by trying to hand it back to the public. Is it any wonder that a lot of people don't bother voting? A bit disappointing that it's taken just two-and-a-half years of negative media to grind down enthusiasm for Brexit, when it took 20-odd years of negative media to grind down enthusiasm for the EU. I assume the option of having weak-as-piss politicians is the will of the people, given that they keep voting them in. Where are the alternatives, Rip? Most have shown their true colours over this matter.
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Post by felonious on Nov 7, 2018 6:48:45 GMT
Sounds like the EU have put a stooge into power in France. Actually I think he was voted into power by the French people. Or do you suspect skullduggery by those horrible Europeans in Brussels? Le EU fanatic or Le Pen? No idea who they'd prefer.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 7, 2018 12:54:55 GMT
A bit disappointing that it's taken just two-and-a-half years of negative media to grind down enthusiasm for Brexit, when it took 20-odd years of negative media to grind down enthusiasm for the EU. I assume the option of having weak-as-piss politicians is the will of the people, given that they keep voting them in. Where are the alternatives, Rip? Most have shown their true colours over this matter. I would guess in most constituencies there are people on the ballot paper that have either a) not been in Parliament before or b) not representating one of the main parties. So there is a choice when voting, from UKIP to the Greens and through to the Monster Raving Loony Party. Whether it makes a difference depends on the amount of people that are disgruntled with the same old faces. The result of the last election would suggest that enough people aren't.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 7, 2018 12:56:12 GMT
Actually I think he was voted into power by the French people. Or do you suspect skullduggery by those horrible Europeans in Brussels? Le EU fanatic or Le Pen? No idea who they'd prefer. If only they had a head-to-head election in the not too distant past to allow the French people to decide.
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Post by felonious on Nov 7, 2018 19:17:13 GMT
Le EU fanatic or Le Pen? No idea who they'd prefer. If only they had a head-to-head election in the not too distant past to allow the French people to decide. Do we need a real European army to defend ourselves against the USA? He's surely got to be an EU stooge to come out with that crap.
Strange election don't you think. A nobody winning out of nowhere. In these days of funding hysteria you do wonder why there isn't a bigger fuss over his rise to power. EU funds to pay party workers anyone?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/21/emmanuel-macrons-justice-defence-europe-ministers-resign-defend/
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 7, 2018 19:23:59 GMT
If only they had a head-to-head election in the not too distant past to allow the French people to decide. Do we need a real European army to defend ourselves against the USA? He's surely got to be an EU stooge to come out with that crap.
Strange election don't you think. A nobody winning out of nowhere. In these days of funding hysteria you do wonder why there isn't a bigger fuss over his rise to power. EU funds to pay party workers anyone?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/21/emmanuel-macrons-justice-defence-europe-ministers-resign-defend/
Well you won’t find it in the accounts they haven’t passed a audit for years
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Post by felonious on Nov 7, 2018 19:32:36 GMT
Well you won’t find it in the accounts they haven’t passed a audit for years The petty cash to keep the likes of Jean-Claude Juncker in booze must be astronomical then again when has he been sober enough to sign off a set of accounts?
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 7, 2018 21:37:16 GMT
If only they had a head-to-head election in the not too distant past to allow the French people to decide. Do we need a real European army to defend ourselves against the USA? He's surely got to be an EU stooge to come out with that crap.
Strange election don't you think. A nobody winning out of nowhere. In these days of funding hysteria you do wonder why there isn't a bigger fuss over his rise to power. EU funds to pay party workers anyone?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/21/emmanuel-macrons-justice-defence-europe-ministers-resign-defend/
I am just wondering why a trading block needs an army to begin with espicially as we were told during referendum there was absolutely no plans for an EU army, as it wasn't written on the side of a bus I guess no one will go on and on about it
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 7, 2018 21:41:50 GMT
If only they had a head-to-head election in the not too distant past to allow the French people to decide. Do we need a real European army to defend ourselves against the USA? He's surely got to be an EU stooge to come out with that crap.
Strange election don't you think. A nobody winning out of nowhere. In these days of funding hysteria you do wonder why there isn't a bigger fuss over his rise to power. EU funds to pay party workers anyone?
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/21/emmanuel-macrons-justice-defence-europe-ministers-resign-defend/
I am just wondering why a trading block needs an army to begin with espicially as we were told during referendum there was absolutely no plans for an EU army, as it wasn't written on the side of a bus I guess no one will go on and on about it
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