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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 10, 2024 18:08:12 GMT
We have murderers in this country despite our laws. That is not an argument against having a law against committing murder. I would prefer to have a law that says materials that cause cancer are prohibited from children’s toys than to just allow it to happen and then have to check every single children’s toy you purchase for what it is made from. I agree, we need to elect a government who would introduce such a law
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 10, 2024 18:10:32 GMT
We have murderers in this country despite our laws. That is not an argument against having a law against committing murder. I would prefer to have a law that says materials that cause cancer are prohibited from children’s toys than to just allow it to happen and then have to check every single children’s toy you purchase for what it is made from. It is good that the LibDems have made their intentions clear, isn't it?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 10, 2024 18:12:53 GMT
We have murderers in this country despite our laws. That is not an argument against having a law against committing murder. I would prefer to have a law that says materials that cause cancer are prohibited from children’s toys than to just allow it to happen and then have to check every single children’s toy you purchase for what it is made from. I wonder why this has happened? www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-election-results-far-right-afd-ecr-id-b2559766.html
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 10, 2024 18:38:58 GMT
We have murderers in this country despite our laws. That is not an argument against having a law against committing murder. I would prefer to have a law that says materials that cause cancer are prohibited from children’s toys than to just allow it to happen and then have to check every single children’s toy you purchase for what it is made from. I wonder why this has happened? www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-election-results-far-right-afd-ecr-id-b2559766.htmlPopulism. I don’t think it was a protest vote in favour of carcinogenic materials in toys!
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 10, 2024 18:39:30 GMT
We have murderers in this country despite our laws. That is not an argument against having a law against committing murder. I would prefer to have a law that says materials that cause cancer are prohibited from children’s toys than to just allow it to happen and then have to check every single children’s toy you purchase for what it is made from. It is good that the LibDems have made their intentions clear, isn't it? Yes it is
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 10, 2024 18:41:00 GMT
We have murderers in this country despite our laws. That is not an argument against having a law against committing murder. I would prefer to have a law that says materials that cause cancer are prohibited from children’s toys than to just allow it to happen and then have to check every single children’s toy you purchase for what it is made from. I agree, we need to elect a government who would introduce such a law And ensure we never elect a government who bows to big business, lobby groups and pressure from larger and more powerful nations. Or rejoin the EU and we don’t have to worry so much about the safety of products sold here.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jun 10, 2024 18:48:40 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 10, 2024 18:53:02 GMT
I agree, we need to elect a government who would introduce such a law And ensure we never elect a government who bows to big business, lobby groups and pressure from larger and more powerful nations. Or rejoin the EU and we don’t have to worry so much about the safety of products sold here. Is that because the EU has better members of the Commission than we could possibly have as Mps?
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 10, 2024 19:10:13 GMT
And ensure we never elect a government who bows to big business, lobby groups and pressure from larger and more powerful nations. Or rejoin the EU and we don’t have to worry so much about the safety of products sold here. Is that because the EU has better members of the Commission than we could possibly have as Mps? No, it is double protection. Some things need it.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 10, 2024 19:25:12 GMT
Is that because the EU has better members of the Commission than we could possibly have as Mps? No, it is double protection. Some things need it. What if one party disagrees?
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 10, 2024 19:28:19 GMT
No, it is double protection. Some things need it. What if one party disagrees? They can raise it. Most issues don’t have universal party support in any democracy. Although keeping carcinogens out of children’s toys would probably get lots of support.
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Post by 4372 on Jun 17, 2024 20:45:13 GMT
This one's for you Oggy, it made me laugh.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 21, 2024 22:06:40 GMT
I can neither confirm nor deny that this is mrcoke........
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 21, 2024 23:16:26 GMT
I voted for Brexit and have stated my reasons why before but let's be honest it's failed and offered the people in this country nothing different no new direction no vision nothing.
If we had another referendum I would 100% vote remain. I'm the kind of person that takes a step back and try's to look at things from an unbiased angle and unfortunately it hasn't worked and it won't work, it's not even talked about anymore. It's become a tool to separate us and there has been zero intention to make lives better by doing it, Brexit has been a car crash. I made a mistake, I won't apologise obviously because it's what I thought we needed but it's clear now it isn't. My vision for what it could be and what it's turned out to be are miles apart
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Post by wannabee on Jun 22, 2024 0:32:24 GMT
I voted for Brexit and have stated my reasons why before but let's be honest it's failed and offered the people in this country nothing different no new direction no vision nothing. If we had another referendum I would 100% vote remain. I'm the kind of person that takes a step back and try's to look at things from an unbiased angle and unfortunately it hasn't worked and it won't work, it's not even talked about anymore. It's become a tool to separate us and there has been zero intention to make lives better by doing it, Brexit has been a car crash. I made a mistake, I won't apologise obviously because it's what I thought we needed but it's clear now it isn't. My vision for what it could be and what it's turned out to be are miles apart Brexit was a Political and Idealogical Concept that couldn't be defined in a Binary Referendum because the end result was unknown until the terms of exit were determined This gave free reign to both sides of the argument to propose a spectrum of outcomes from nothing would change only positives to armageddon Although I detest Brexit it would have left a Democratic deficit if it hadn't been followed through once Cameron said although Referenda has no basis under UK Law that he would respect the result. The first mistake was to appoint a series of buffoons to negotiate the Exit terms who based upon their public statements at least had no actual knowledge of International Trading Terms. Tactically the UK negotiators fundamentally miscalculated that Northern Ireland was the weak spot for EU to preserve the purity of the Single Market, Politically sensitive to a Member and it was a circle that couldn't be squared. It was arrogance that believed this impediment would be overridden by German Car Exports. After wasting 3 years of internal and external wrangling the Country was ready to be put out of its misery and accepted Johnson’s Oven Ready hardest of Brexit Turkey's gratefully because it couldn't be that bad, it was. Of course there are many who are satisfied with the outcome from a idealogical standpoint and their viewpoint is valid and should be respected, but from an Economic viewpoint it can't be defended.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 22, 2024 8:10:55 GMT
I voted for Brexit and have stated my reasons why before but let's be honest it's failed and offered the people in this country nothing different no new direction no vision nothing. If we had another referendum I would 100% vote remain. I'm the kind of person that takes a step back and try's to look at things from an unbiased angle and unfortunately it hasn't worked and it won't work, it's not even talked about anymore. It's become a tool to separate us and there has been zero intention to make lives better by doing it, Brexit has been a car crash. I made a mistake, I won't apologise obviously because it's what I thought we needed but it's clear now it isn't. My vision for what it could be and what it's turned out to be are miles apart Brexit was a Political and Idealogical Concept that couldn't be defined in a Binary Referendum because the end result was unknown until the terms of exit were determined This gave free reign to both sides of the argument to propose a spectrum of outcomes from nothing would change only positives to armageddon Although I detest Brexit it would have left a Democratic deficit if it hadn't been followed through once Cameron said although Referenda has no basis under UK Law that he would respect the result. The first mistake was to appoint a series of buffoons to negotiate the Exit terms who based upon their public statements at least had no actual knowledge of International Trading Terms. Tactically the UK negotiators fundamentally miscalculated that Northern Ireland was the weak spot for EU to preserve the purity of the Single Market, Politically sensitive to a Member and it was a circle that couldn't be squared. It was arrogance that believed this impediment would be overridden by German Car Exports. After wasting 3 years of internal and external wrangling the Country was ready to be put out of its misery and accepted Johnson’s Oven Ready hardest of Brexit Turkey's gratefully because it couldn't be that bad, it was. Of course there are many who are satisfied with the outcome from a idealogical standpoint and their viewpoint is valid and should be respected, but from an Economic viewpoint it can't be defended. In my view the Tories should have been able to stay in power for at least another 10 years or more banging on about their Brexit benefits and what they can do to make it benefit the people. The fact they aren't even talking about it anymore speaks volumes.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 22, 2024 21:37:42 GMT
Brexit was a Political and Idealogical Concept that couldn't be defined in a Binary Referendum because the end result was unknown until the terms of exit were determined This gave free reign to both sides of the argument to propose a spectrum of outcomes from nothing would change only positives to armageddon Although I detest Brexit it would have left a Democratic deficit if it hadn't been followed through once Cameron said although Referenda has no basis under UK Law that he would respect the result. The first mistake was to appoint a series of buffoons to negotiate the Exit terms who based upon their public statements at least had no actual knowledge of International Trading Terms. Tactically the UK negotiators fundamentally miscalculated that Northern Ireland was the weak spot for EU to preserve the purity of the Single Market, Politically sensitive to a Member and it was a circle that couldn't be squared. It was arrogance that believed this impediment would be overridden by German Car Exports. After wasting 3 years of internal and external wrangling the Country was ready to be put out of its misery and accepted Johnson’s Oven Ready hardest of Brexit Turkey's gratefully because it couldn't be that bad, it was. Of course there are many who are satisfied with the outcome from a idealogical standpoint and their viewpoint is valid and should be respected, but from an Economic viewpoint it can't be defended. In my view the Tories should have been able to stay in power for at least another 10 years or more banging on about their Brexit benefits and what they can do to make it benefit the people. The fact they aren't even talking about it anymore speaks volumes. No-one is talking about it because the rest of Europe is as dysfunctional, if not more so than the UK. The UK is in a mess because of a piss poor government, nothing to do with Brexit.
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2024 21:39:14 GMT
In my view the Tories should have been able to stay in power for at least another 10 years or more banging on about their Brexit benefits and what they can do to make it benefit the people. The fact they aren't even talking about it anymore speaks volumes. No-one is talking about it because the rest of Europe is as dysfunctional, if not more so than the UK. The UK is in a mess because of a piss poor government, nothing to do with Brexit. In Egypt are you?
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 22, 2024 21:48:19 GMT
No-one is talking about it because the rest of Europe is as dysfunctional, if not more so than the UK. The UK is in a mess because of a piss poor government, nothing to do with Brexit. In Egypt are you? The UK is about to vote in a socialist government by a landslide, the rest of Europe are lurching to right wing parties. Confusing isn't it?
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 22, 2024 22:52:01 GMT
In my view the Tories should have been able to stay in power for at least another 10 years or more banging on about their Brexit benefits and what they can do to make it benefit the people. The fact they aren't even talking about it anymore speaks volumes. No-one is talking about it because the rest of Europe is as dysfunctional, if not more so than the UK. The UK is in a mess because of a piss poor government, nothing to do with Brexit. It doesn't matter what is happening in the EU, what's our vision now we have Brexit. We are in control of what we do without EU interference what opportunities can we create? We got out and there is nothing for us to be pleased about, no new future nothing. Just because the EU is having problems shouldn't mean we let the Tories off the hook, they offered us a better future and Brexit would deliver that so where is it? It doesn't exist, they have no plan on doing anything with it because it's failing and they know it's failing that's why they want out so that they can blame someone else for it
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 23, 2024 10:29:05 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 23, 2024 15:50:01 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 23, 2024 17:10:46 GMT
Absolutely, but the existence of the directive is good. Having laws and regulations to ensure products are safe is a good thing. Otherwise non-compliance is irrelevant. The fact the EU is enforcing its laws is a good thing. I am not sure what your point is.
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