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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 27, 2024 8:40:50 GMT
The UK is about to vote in a socialist government by a landslide, the rest of Europe are lurching to right wing parties. Confusing isn't it? A socialist government? Really? Labour are a centerist social democratic party committed to the free market as a mainstay of the economy. There is no way on earth Labour are a socialist party in any meaningful sense of the word. |
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Post by wannabee on Jun 27, 2024 9:52:52 GMT
The UK is about to vote in a socialist government by a landslide, the rest of Europe are lurching to right wing parties. Confusing isn't it? The Headlines you read in the papers are hyperbolic, there is no lurch to the Right in Europe generally In the recent EU Elections of the 720 MEPs the Far Right Party's increased their representation from 22% to 24% or increase of 158 MEPs to 172. Meloni did well in Italy but at the expense of other Far Right Party, Le Pen also did well. Expected Far Right gains in other Countries never materialised in Finland support dropped by half and underperformed in Poland, Belgium, Sweden and the Czech Republic. MEPs vote in ideological blocks the Centre and Left still retain a majority which is why Ursala von der Leyden will almost certainly be returned for another 5 year term albeit with a slightly reduced majority |
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 28, 2024 9:09:54 GMT
I have refrained from posting a review of progress on Brexit this year as I don't want to be accused (again) of being a Tory and making it sound like a Conservative PPB. But I cannot resist highlighting today's news from the ONS that the growth in GDP in Quarter 1 this year has been revised upwards to 0.7%. www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/quarterlynationalaccounts/januarytomarch2024As I have repeatedly said one month's statistics are pretty meaningless. Quarterly estimates are also not a strong indicator as they include the last month's rough estimates. But today's announcement is the review of the first quarter's extimate and is more conclusive and accurate. As usual with UK ONS and OBR reports they are very cautious and tend to take a negative slant, invariably revising figures upwards at a later date, which is the case again today. (I bet they are all Remainers working in those organizations and can't believe the economy is actually doing better than they thought!) Quarterly figures are also subject to seasonal effects such as Christmas, holiday period, weather, etc. so are still liable to mislead. It is far better to view the annual figures and long term trend. This latest set of figures will include some bounce back effect from the mild recession last half of 2023, so should be treated with caution. But on an annual basis they indicate a 0.3% growth on Q1 2023. That is not great but is better than many of our peer countries. (I will review Half 1 of 2024 comparing with G7 later in the year.) Where there can be optimism about this result is that if the latest rate of growth is sustained and when the negative figures of the second half of 2023 drop out of the statistics next year, then Starmer's forcast of >2% annual growth is very definitely achievable and Labour could be able to meet their spending plans without a significant increase in taxes. |
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Post by frasier37 on Jun 28, 2024 9:41:42 GMT
Dare i say, the only way is up?   I've always been a big supporter of Brexit... it's a shame the only party in a position to deliver it wasn't interested in social quality, but one that was only motivated to gain power and High jack it to implement draconian, ball squeezing policies and corruption Now i worry about our direction and pray a party surfaces that can not only change quality of life for everyone but, be a beacon of light for the world to change fantasy land i know, but mindset of the whole world has to change  |
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 28, 2024 9:44:00 GMT
The UK is about to vote in a socialist government by a landslide, the rest of Europe are lurching to right wing parties. Confusing isn't it? The Headlines you read in the papers are hyperbolic, there is no lurch to the Right in Europe generally In the recent EU Elections of the 720 MEPs the Far Right Party's increased their representation from 22% to 24% or increase of 158 MEPs to 172. Meloni did well in Italy but at the expense of other Far Right Party, Le Pen also did well. Expected Far Right gains in other Countries never materialised in Finland support dropped by half and underperformed in Poland, Belgium, Sweden and the Czech Republic. MEPs vote in ideological blocks the Centre and Left still retain a majority which is why Ursala von der Leyden will almost certainly be returned for another 5 year term albeit with a slightly reduced majority Well if you believe all the pant wetters on here, everyone will be goose stepping down the high street in 6 months ! Geert Wilders ( the blond anti muslim loony) over here and his cronies have had at least 3 attempts to form a coalition government over here since he took power. Absolutely no one wants to work with the clown. Each country and the media in general highlight this and make it sensationalist reporting. To be clear, it IS increasing but not half as much as people on here make out. |
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Post by wannabee on Jun 28, 2024 10:17:32 GMT
The Headlines you read in the papers are hyperbolic, there is no lurch to the Right in Europe generally In the recent EU Elections of the 720 MEPs the Far Right Party's increased their representation from 22% to 24% or increase of 158 MEPs to 172. Meloni did well in Italy but at the expense of other Far Right Party, Le Pen also did well. Expected Far Right gains in other Countries never materialised in Finland support dropped by half and underperformed in Poland, Belgium, Sweden and the Czech Republic. MEPs vote in ideological blocks the Centre and Left still retain a majority which is why Ursala von der Leyden will almost certainly be returned for another 5 year term albeit with a slightly reduced majority Well if you believe all the pant wetters on here, everyone will be goose stepping down the high street in 6 months ! Geert Wilders ( the blond anti muslim loony) over here and his cronies have had at least 3 attempts to form a coalition government over here since he took power. Absolutely no one wants to work with the clown. Each country and the media in general highlight this and make it sensationalist reporting. To be clear, it IS increasing but not half as much as people on here make out. Completely agree and sensationalist reporting isn't doing anyone any favours. People with genuine concerns being labelled far right extremist only gets people's backs up. If mainstream parties addressed the issues in a coherent way there would be no need to look for alternatives. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 28, 2024 14:22:35 GMT
Dare i say, the only way is up? I've always been a big supporter of Brexit... it's a shame the only party in a position to deliver it wasn't interested in social quality, but one that was only motivated to gain power and High jack it to implement draconian, ball squeezing policies and corruption Now i worry about our direction and pray a party surfaces that can not only change quality of life for everyone but, be a beacon of light for the world to change fantasy land i know, but mindset of the whole world has to change You are right to continue to support Brexit, but need not worry too much about the direction the country is going. It has been repeatedly pointed out in the anti Brexit media, there is little debate on Brexit in the election campaign, this is for the following reasons. Whenever Brexit is mentioned it is invariably with regard to the economy, but Brexit also about far more important things, namely sovereignty, democracy, justice, accountability, wastage, mismanagement, and corruption. I spelt out my reasons for supporting Brexit at length nearly 4 years ago on page 1,232. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6947034/threadWhilst a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then and despite subsequent events such as the flawed agreement with the EU, 3 more PMs, and war in Europe, I have no reason to change my mind and am very satisfied with progress under the circumstances, whilst obviously wishing it was faster. Sovereignty was delivered on day 1 of leaving the EU and Britain ceased to be subject decisions of the Court of Justice of the European Union, and free of the ever increasing mountain of EU regulations. The UK has avoided being embroiled in the Brussels controlled >€800 billion EU post pandemic recovery plan NextGenerationEU, and the massively increased >€1,200 billion (Yes that's over € 1.2 trillion!) current EU 7 year budget. NextGenerationEU is to bring even more taxation in the EU. Prior to the referendum it was argued by remainers that it could take many years for the UK to make trade deals, possibly 10 for a trade deal with the EU. That argument was of course based on the desperately slow experiences of the EU in making trade deals. Since leaving, remainers are decrying why more UK trade deals have not been completed sooner. As I said in my post on page 1,232, I expect it will take a generation to achieve the full economic benefits of leaving the EU. Reversing some of the 47 years EU legislation is going to take a long time. For example. phasing out the CAP is planned to be 7 years but I expect it will take over a decade with changes to the plan arising from consultation with the farming community, changes of UK government, and the ever changing world we live in. That is just one example of how long the post Brexit process will be. The restoration of a sustainable fishing industry will take even longer as UK fishing waters still continue to be over exploited. For further appreciation of the enormous size of the task, I refer you to my post on page 1,567 oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/7952442/threadwhere I opined the economic, social, and environmental damage done to the UK during EU membership. I think the main political parties have realised that the UK has set sail on a new course that will take decades to fully realise the benefits of independence. New EU regulations are issued at the rate of well over 1,000 every year and you cannot simply sweep away decades of EU regulations with a simple Retained EU Law Act. I have enumerated at length in my Brexit reviews the progress being made. It would now be folly to undo much of the good work done in negotiating trade deals and MoUs, agriculture, fishing, immigration, and other UK legislation that cuts across EU law, etc. Surely no one wants to open the flood gates of freedom of movement and return to the levels of redundancies and unemployment experienced during the EU membership years? tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate#:~:text=Unemployment%20Rate%20in%20the%20United%20Kingdom%20averaged%206.70%20percent%20from,percent%20in%20December%20of%201973. Surely no one except rich land owners wants to go back to the CAP? Hence the Tories now realise, if they didn't before, that there is a long furrow to plough, whilst Labour, and LibDems make little mention of the topic of reversing Brexit apart from overtures of "improving relations" with the EU. As I read the threads on Oatcake upbraiding UK politicians of all persuasions, it amazes me that people still want to hand over sovereignty to foreign politicians and Brussels bureaucrats who are not answerable to UK citizens. We expose scoundrels daily in this country, do we want to expose ourselves to the scoundrels in the EU? www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-european-parliament-is-still-learning-its-lesson-from-corruption-scandals/Where I differ from most people is I don't believe a country's fortunes are dictated by politicians, or constitution, but by its natural resources and above all the talent of its people. So don't worry, we will be all right. As you say, we need to change the quality of life for everyone. That starts by being in control of our own affairs and getting the balance of payments in balance. We have stopped handing over a financial contribution to support other countries economies each year. www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/The next step has to be to increase our trade with the rest of the world to balance our negative trade balance with the EU. www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/trade-balance-deficitBut is going to take many years to reverse the trend since Maastricht. I don't know how long but remain optimistic. History teaches us that we came out of the devastation of World War 2 in 1945, had a period of Labour government that was obsessed with nationalising everything, which only resulted in little growth apart from increased rationing! The Tories returned to power and by 1957 we had "never had it so good". So things can be turned round quickly as the Germans, Japanese, and Americans have demonstrated in the past with their economic miracles, and other countries are now doing. The UK is perfectly capable of doing the same. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 29, 2024 10:33:49 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 29, 2024 13:19:01 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 29, 2024 13:43:08 GMT
I was not referring to your post, but the contradiction between the doctor blaming the medicine shortages on Brexit as though its Farage to blame and Farage blaming the NHS. My point is both are incorrect, the shortage is a worldwide issue. Apologies if you thought my comments were directed at your post and contradicting you. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 29, 2024 15:44:03 GMT
I was not referring to your post, but the contradiction between the doctor blaming the medicine shortages on Brexit as though its Farage to blame and Farage blaming the NHS. My point is both are incorrect, the shortage is a worldwide issue. Apologies if you thought my comments were directed at your post and contradicting you. The doctor didn’t blame brexit. She said, since Brexit we have had terrible medicine shortages due to supply chain issues. What is Farage going to do about it? Farage told the doctor she was saying something else, patronised her, defended brexit, then, when pushed to answer the question, blamed the NHS for not buying the medicines it needs, as if that is the reason there are shortages! There is no doubt the supply chain issues are worse here because of brexit. But they are not caused by brexit. Just worsened. Like most things. Brexit isn’t necessarily the cause but it makes things harder for us. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 29, 2024 16:11:04 GMT
I was not referring to your post, but the contradiction between the doctor blaming the medicine shortages on Brexit as though its Farage to blame and Farage blaming the NHS. My point is both are incorrect, the shortage is a worldwide issue. Apologies if you thought my comments were directed at your post and contradicting you. The doctor didn’t blame brexit. She said, since Brexit we have had terrible medicine shortages due to supply chain issues. What is Farage going to do about it? Farage told the doctor she was saying something else, patronised her, defended brexit, then, when pushed to answer the question, blamed the NHS for not buying the medicines it needs, as if that is the reason there are shortages! There is no doubt the supply chain issues are worse here because of brexit. But they are not caused by brexit. Just worsened. Like most things. Brexit isn’t necessarily the cause but it makes things harder for us. Now you are splitting hairs and throwing more mud hoping it sticks. The government have been very slow to impose restrictions on imports so I'm not clear how much supply chain is impacted by Brexit. But as I repeatedly point out the Brexit economic benefits are the long term. Instead of moving UK manufacturing ouf of the country we are now investing and shortening supply chains. The UK is now reversing decades of decline. Astro Zenica are investing hundreds of £millions for example www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-13062575/AstraZeneca-boss-Pascal-Soriot-backs-Britain-drug-makers-profits-soar.html |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 29, 2024 16:14:30 GMT
The doctor didn’t blame brexit. She said, since Brexit we have had terrible medicine shortages due to supply chain issues. What is Farage going to do about it? Farage told the doctor she was saying something else, patronised her, defended brexit, then, when pushed to answer the question, blamed the NHS for not buying the medicines it needs, as if that is the reason there are shortages! There is no doubt the supply chain issues are worse here because of brexit. But they are not caused by brexit. Just worsened. Like most things. Brexit isn’t necessarily the cause but it makes things harder for us. Now you are splitting hairs and throwing more mud hoping it sticks. The government have been very slow to impose restrictions on imports so I'm not clear how much supply chain is impacted by Brexit. But as I repeatedly point out the Brexit economic benefits are the long term. Instead of moving UK manufacturing ouf of the country we are now investing and shortening supply chains. The UK is now reversing decades of decline. Astro Zenica are investing hundreds of £millions for example www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-13062575/AstraZeneca-boss-Pascal-Soriot-backs-Britain-drug-makers-profits-soar.htmlI’m not splitting hairs. I am pointing out the same mistake Farage went. Brexit got mentioned and he got massively defensive (because he knows it has been a disaster and it always would be). The benefits are so long term, we are yet to see any. Nobody backing Brexit told us that pre vote though! |
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 29, 2024 17:01:56 GMT
I’m not splitting hairs. I am pointing out the same mistake Farage went. Brexit got mentioned and he got massively defensive (because he knows it has been a disaster and it always would be). The benefits are so long term, we are yet to see any. Nobody backing Brexit told us that pre vote though! Wrong. Those opposed to Brexit said a vote to leave would result in recession and unemployment. But it actually led to a fall in immigration from the EU. Many EU citizens left and unemployment has fallen to levels not seen since the 1970s before the UK joined the EEC. www.statista.com/statistics/279898/unemployment-rate-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/Redundancy rates have also fallen to the lowest since the 1970s. Employers are having to pay more and having to import labour from the rest of the world at record rates. Shortage of labour will force employers to invest in automation, robotics, etc, which the UK has been desperately poor at during EU membership. British workers are enjoying one of the highest average wage increases in Europe, higher than other west European countries. tradingeconomics.com/country-list/wage-growth?continent=europe. |
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Post by wannabee on Jun 29, 2024 18:03:34 GMT
So we're agreed Brexit didn't cause Medicine Shortages but it made it worse than it needed to be.
And from the Beaver link we're not getting a Trade Deal with US that was going to lead us to the Sunlit Uplands. So we are reducing Trade Staff because we not going to pursue anymore pointless MoU's with individual States as they can't reduce tariffs just recognise UK Professional Qualifications and smooth State regulations. Paint me sceptical but the $369Bn of Tax Incentives under the Inflation Reduction Act is only available for US content. Trump is not going to pursue a Trade Deal and will be even more America First.
So since Brexit UK has entered into Independent Trade Deals with Australia and New Zealand. When Membership of CPTPP it will also give access to Brunei, all others have Trade Deals with EU
US Trade Deal is going nowhere, Canada Trade Deal talks are suspended and Trade Deal talks with India have stalled and Labour has no plans to introduce a comprehensive Deal just Sector by Sector. Brexit Benefits
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Post by wannabee on Jun 29, 2024 18:19:04 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 29, 2024 19:20:10 GMT
I’m not splitting hairs. I am pointing out the same mistake Farage went. Brexit got mentioned and he got massively defensive (because he knows it has been a disaster and it always would be). The benefits are so long term, we are yet to see any. Nobody backing Brexit told us that pre vote though! Wrong. Those opposed to Brexit said a vote to leave would result in recession and unemployment. But it actually led to a fall in immigration from the EU. Many EU citizens left and unemployment has fallen to levels not seen since the 1970s before the UK joined the EEC. www.statista.com/statistics/279898/unemployment-rate-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/Redundancy rates have also fallen to the lowest since the 1970s. Employers are having to pay more and having to import labour from the rest of the world at record rates. Shortage of labour will force employers to invest in automation, robotics, etc, which the UK has been desperately poor at during EU membership. British workers are enjoying one of the highest average wage increases in Europe, higher than other west European countries. tradingeconomics.com/country-list/wage-growth?continent=europe. We have had recessions since Brexit. Our economy works well for the uber wealthy. Particularly over the last 5 years or so. It doesn’t work for 99.9%. Inflation has destroyed pay rises. For years we were being paid less and less in real terms because of inflation, not caused by Brexit, but made worse by Brexit. You are literally the only person in the country who thinks our economy is doing well and that brexit has been good for our economy. Not even Farage argues that. If brexit had been the right choice, the tories would be mentioning it constantly when pointing to their record in government. Instead it doesn’t get a mention at all. They are terrified of being blamed for the disaster it has been. For the economy, for individual rights, for immigration which has spiked massively since brexit. |
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Post by wannabee on Jun 29, 2024 19:34:26 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 29, 2024 19:54:46 GMT
Wrong. Those opposed to Brexit said a vote to leave would result in recession and unemployment. But it actually led to a fall in immigration from the EU. Many EU citizens left and unemployment has fallen to levels not seen since the 1970s before the UK joined the EEC. www.statista.com/statistics/279898/unemployment-rate-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/Redundancy rates have also fallen to the lowest since the 1970s. Employers are having to pay more and having to import labour from the rest of the world at record rates. Shortage of labour will force employers to invest in automation, robotics, etc, which the UK has been desperately poor at during EU membership. British workers are enjoying one of the highest average wage increases in Europe, higher than other west European countries. tradingeconomics.com/country-list/wage-growth?continent=europe. We have had recessions since Brexit. Our economy works well for the uber wealthy. Particularly over the last 5 years or so. It doesn’t work for 99.9%. Inflation has destroyed pay rises. For years we were being paid less and less in real terms because of inflation, not caused by Brexit, but made worse by Brexit. You are literally the only person in the country who thinks our economy is doing well and that brexit has been good for our economy. Not even Farage argues that. If brexit had been the right choice, the tories would be mentioning it constantly when pointing to their record in government. Instead it doesn’t get a mention at all. They are terrified of being blamed for the disaster it has been. For the economy, for individual rights, for immigration which has spiked massively since brexit. You should look around you. We have a great country. It is quite sad how many don't appreciate how well off we are. The recession was pandemic induced and worldwide. The UK economy has come out of the recession faster than the 2008 recession. The roads are busy, the pubs are busy, the entertainment industry is flat out, we have full employment, low inflation, highest investment since 1990s, economy is growing again, record house prices, new houses occupied as fast as they are being built, 100,000s of people coming to the UK each year to study, live, and work, lowest unemployment since 1970s. Yes the UK has problems; they are virtually all due to 47 years membership of the EEC/EU bleeding the country, paying for other countries' economies like Ireland, Spain, and Poland to be rebuilt. We have seen the decline of industries, huge increase in negative balance of payments, and overloading of public services by cheap labour flooding into the country, which has now stopped with stopping freedom of movement. I am not the only person: Please study and learn- spearswms.com/wealth/reasons-to-be-bullish-on-britain/ |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 29, 2024 20:02:53 GMT
We have had recessions since Brexit. Our economy works well for the uber wealthy. Particularly over the last 5 years or so. It doesn’t work for 99.9%. Inflation has destroyed pay rises. For years we were being paid less and less in real terms because of inflation, not caused by Brexit, but made worse by Brexit. You are literally the only person in the country who thinks our economy is doing well and that brexit has been good for our economy. Not even Farage argues that. If brexit had been the right choice, the tories would be mentioning it constantly when pointing to their record in government. Instead it doesn’t get a mention at all. They are terrified of being blamed for the disaster it has been. For the economy, for individual rights, for immigration which has spiked massively since brexit. You should look around you. We have a great country. It is quite sad how many don't appreciate how well off we are. The recession was pandemic induced and worldwide. The UK economy has come out of the recession faster than the 2008 recession. The roads are busy, the pubs are busy, the entertainment industry is flat out, we have full employment, low inflation, highest investment since 1990s, economy is growing again, record house prices, new houses occupied as fast as they are being built, 100,000s of people coming to the UK each year to study, live, and work, lowest unemployment since 1970s. Yes the UK has problems; they are virtually all due to 47 years membership of the EEC/EU bleeding the country, paying for other countries' economies like Ireland, Spain, and Poland to be rebuilt. We have seen the decline of industries, huge increase in negative balance of payments, and overloading of public services by cheap labour flooding into the country, which has now stopped with stopping freedom of movement. I am not the only person: Please study and learn- spearswms.com/wealth/reasons-to-be-bullish-on-britain/Record poverty, record food bank use, flat economy. You are as deluded and in touch as Rishi Sunak. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 29, 2024 22:00:01 GMT
I agree let's see. Any major development is subject to planning regulations and has to overcome the hurdles put in the way by the controlling authorities such as EA, local authorities, fire regulations, and all the NIMBYs who oppose developments. I've been there and got the T shirt. So any final decision is subject to what conditions are laid down. For example Honda shut their Swindon factory in 2021. Panattoni, Europe’s largest developer of new build industrial and logistics facilities. bought the site with plans to create a new facility which will employ twice as many people as Honda did. But the approval of the development has dragged on for years and is only this year starting to become a reality. the Environment Agency put in an objection to the application in June 2022, stating the potential impact on nature conservation and ecology and physical habitats. I understand bats was an issue. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-68452655Anything could have happened in the meantime for Panattoni to change its plans. Like going elsewhere where palms can be greased. The same applies to Tata 's investment in Port Talbot. The planning process in the UK is very tortuous and pedantic. I had to change the plans of a garage I wanted to build, the council wanted it 15cm further from the road to allow more space for parking. Major schemes can be killed by the authorities conditions, e.g. HS2 and the amount of archaeology, nature preservation, tunnelling, sound barriers, post project greening, etc. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 29, 2024 22:44:49 GMT
You should look around you. We have a great country. It is quite sad how many don't appreciate how well off we are. The recession was pandemic induced and worldwide. The UK economy has come out of the recession faster than the 2008 recession. The roads are busy, the pubs are busy, the entertainment industry is flat out, we have full employment, low inflation, highest investment since 1990s, economy is growing again, record house prices, new houses occupied as fast as they are being built, 100,000s of people coming to the UK each year to study, live, and work, lowest unemployment since 1970s. Yes the UK has problems; they are virtually all due to 47 years membership of the EEC/EU bleeding the country, paying for other countries' economies like Ireland, Spain, and Poland to be rebuilt. We have seen the decline of industries, huge increase in negative balance of payments, and overloading of public services by cheap labour flooding into the country, which has now stopped with stopping freedom of movement. I am not the only person: Please study and learn- spearswms.com/wealth/reasons-to-be-bullish-on-britain/Record poverty, record food bank use, flat economy. You are as deluded and in touch as Rishi Sunak. Poverty is at an unsatisfactory level, I suppose it always will be. Poverty has been increasing for those on relative low income since 2013, which is long before Brexit or indeed the referendum.(1) Poverty is far from record levels though and was higher before 2008, in fact the % on absolute low income has continued to decline.(1) Increased poverty is not a UK phenomenon. Poverty in Germany, the EU's richest country, has risen to its highest since reunification. It too is not at an all time record though. (2) UK poverty has risen since 2013, Germany's poverty started to rise in 2007. (3) The situation in France seems more volatile, but like Germany poverty is higher than 2007. (4) I am not defending poverty, or wish to engage in whataboutery, but stating the topic of poverty is not appropriate to this thread on Brexit. It is an issue of government policy. References 1. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn07096/#:~:text=Over%20the%20longer%2Dterm%2C%20poverty,relative%20low%20income%20has%20increased 2. www.yenisafak.com/en/economy/poverty-in-germany-at-highest-level-since-reunification-report-36479463. www.statista.com/statistics/1345354/at-risk-of-poverty-rate-germany/4. www.statista.com/statistics/460446/poverty-rate-france/#:~:text=In%20recent%20years%2C%20poverty%20in,the%20poverty%20rate%20in%202021.&text=Poverty%20in%20France%20reached%20its%20highest%20rate%20in%202018. |
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Post by wannabee on Jun 29, 2024 23:16:46 GMT
I agree let's see. Any major development is subject to planning regulations and has to overcome the hurdles put in the way by the controlling authorities such as EA, local authorities, fire regulations, and all the NIMBYs who oppose developments. I've been there and got the T shirt. So any final decision is subject to what conditions are laid down. For example Honda shut their Swindon factory in 2021. Panattoni, Europe’s largest developer of new build industrial and logistics facilities. bought the site with plans to create a new facility which will employ twice as many people as Honda did. But the approval of the development has dragged on for years and is only this year starting to become a reality. the Environment Agency put in an objection to the application in June 2022, stating the potential impact on nature conservation and ecology and physical habitats. I understand bats was an issue. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-68452655Anything could have happened in the meantime for Panattoni to change its plans. Like going elsewhere where palms can be greased. The same applies to Tata 's investment in Port Talbot. The planning process in the UK is very tortuous and pedantic. I had to change the plans of a garage I wanted to build, the council wanted it 15cm further from the road to allow more space for parking. Major schemes can be killed by the authorities conditions, e.g. HS2 and the amount of archaeology, nature preservation, tunnelling, sound barriers, post project greening, etc. I see now you may not be Gaslighting or Deluded but perhaps just naive or maybe disengenuous or just perhaps simply you lack knowledge of how these multi million £ international investments work I have no expectation you will reply to my 4th or 5th time asking your opinion on "Secret Courts" because you have studiously avoided it in the past www.globaljustice.org.uk/blog/2023/03/why-the-uk-needs-to-drop-corporate-courts-from-the-pacific-trade-deal/Besides their appalling nature, they break a fundamental principle by which you claim to stand by. Specifically they bind a future Parliament to actions of a previous Parliament. Of course there can ultimately be disregarded in litigation in "Secret Court" by UK Government paying compensation. This is a position the EU would never countenance but in desperation UK has. The contingency of Astra Zenica Investment is marginally dependent on Planning Approval, but fundamentally is more obviously dependant on Government subsidy. Moreover why is Astra Zenica not in a position to commit investment without third-party agreement, other than UK Government. I wouldn't hold my breath that Investment will proceed, particularly with a change in Government, nor will I that you will answer a straight question for the 4th / 5th time |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 30, 2024 6:35:45 GMT
Record poverty, record food bank use, flat economy. You are as deluded and in touch as Rishi Sunak. Poverty is at an unsatisfactory level, I suppose it always will be. Poverty has been increasing for those on relative low income since 2013, which is long before Brexit or indeed the referendum.(1) Poverty is far from record levels though and was higher before 2008, in fact the % on absolute low income has continued to decline.(1) Increased poverty is not a UK phenomenon. Poverty in Germany, the EU's richest country, has risen to its highest since reunification. It too is not at an all time record though. (2) UK poverty has risen since 2013, Germany's poverty started to rise in 2007. (3) The situation in France seems more volatile, but like Germany poverty is higher than 2007. (4) I am not defending poverty, or wish to engage in whataboutery, but stating the topic of poverty is not appropriate to this thread on Brexit. It is an issue of government policy. References 1. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn07096/#:~:text=Over%20the%20longer%2Dterm%2C%20poverty,relative%20low%20income%20has%20increased 2. www.yenisafak.com/en/economy/poverty-in-germany-at-highest-level-since-reunification-report-36479463. www.statista.com/statistics/1345354/at-risk-of-poverty-rate-germany/4. www.statista.com/statistics/460446/poverty-rate-france/#:~:text=In%20recent%20years%2C%20poverty%20in,the%20poverty%20rate%20in%202021.&text=Poverty%20in%20France%20reached%20its%20highest%20rate%20in%202018. They changed the definition of poverty during austerity. That’s why it looks better now. You say we are doing brilliantly because of brexit. I say the super rich are doing brilliantly and for everyone else, life has been a struggle in recent years. Have you not heard of the cost of living crisis? Brexit has made that worse for us all. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 30, 2024 8:52:40 GMT
I agree let's see. Any major development is subject to planning regulations and has to overcome the hurdles put in the way by the controlling authorities such as EA, local authorities, fire regulations, and all the NIMBYs who oppose developments. I've been there and got the T shirt. So any final decision is subject to what conditions are laid down. For example Honda shut their Swindon factory in 2021. Panattoni, Europe’s largest developer of new build industrial and logistics facilities. bought the site with plans to create a new facility which will employ twice as many people as Honda did. But the approval of the development has dragged on for years and is only this year starting to become a reality. the Environment Agency put in an objection to the application in June 2022, stating the potential impact on nature conservation and ecology and physical habitats. I understand bats was an issue. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-68452655Anything could have happened in the meantime for Panattoni to change its plans. Like going elsewhere where palms can be greased. The same applies to Tata 's investment in Port Talbot. The planning process in the UK is very tortuous and pedantic. I had to change the plans of a garage I wanted to build, the council wanted it 15cm further from the road to allow more space for parking. Major schemes can be killed by the authorities conditions, e.g. HS2 and the amount of archaeology, nature preservation, tunnelling, sound barriers, post project greening, etc. I see now you may not be Gaslighting or Deluded but perhaps just naive or maybe disengenuous or just perhaps simply you lack knowledge of how these multi million £ international investments work I have no expectation you will reply to my 4th or 5th time asking your opinion on "Secret Courts" because you have studiously avoided it in the past www.globaljustice.org.uk/blog/2023/03/why-the-uk-needs-to-drop-corporate-courts-from-the-pacific-trade-deal/Besides their appalling nature, they break a fundamental principle by which you claim to stand by. Specifically they bind a future Parliament to actions of a previous Parliament. Of course there can ultimately be disregarded in litigation in "Secret Court" by UK Government paying compensation. This is a position the EU would never countenance but in desperation UK has. The contingency of Astra Zenica Investment is marginally dependent on Planning Approval, but fundamentally is more obviously dependant on Government subsidy. Moreover why is Astra Zenica not in a position to commit investment without third-party agreement, other than UK Government. I wouldn't hold my breath that Investment will proceed, particularly with a change in Government, nor will I that you will answer a straight question for the 4th / 5th time You keep banging on about "Secret courts". I addressed this issue 4 years ago, on page 1,232; it's called sovereignty. I said: "Naturally if we agree treaties with other nations such as trade agreements we should comply with those regulations we have freely entered into. In reality this means that future UK governments can determine UK foreign policy and not be tied to EU foreign policy, establish trade agreements with non EU countries, set immigration laws, decide on what aid the UK regions require, set tax policy, decide on aid to farming, industry, sports, and the arts, etc., set our own competition rules, human rights, environment and food standards, health and safety standards, equality standards, employment law, and those other matters that have been dictated by the EU in the past. Naturally there will be some losses depending on what the final agreed relationships with the EU are, but there are no sensible reasons why the UK could not agree many of the reciprocal rights with the EU which existed when the UK was a full member, such as travel, security, policing, etc."Assuming there is new government in a week's time, they are perfectly free to introduce any law to change what the Tories have done, including re-joining the EU. UK government and laws are subject to the collective will of the British people since Brexit, not bureaucrats in Brussels. Astra Zenica cannot invest without planning permission. Planning will set terms. We have a judicial system in this country that prevents government doing or authorising what it wants as the present government is finding over deporting illegal immigrants. The freedom of judicial rulings in this country are another benefit of Brexit. It's all there on page 1,232. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 30, 2024 9:31:52 GMT
Poverty is at an unsatisfactory level, I suppose it always will be. Poverty has been increasing for those on relative low income since 2013, which is long before Brexit or indeed the referendum.(1) Poverty is far from record levels though and was higher before 2008, in fact the % on absolute low income has continued to decline.(1) Increased poverty is not a UK phenomenon. Poverty in Germany, the EU's richest country, has risen to its highest since reunification. It too is not at an all time record though. (2) UK poverty has risen since 2013, Germany's poverty started to rise in 2007. (3) The situation in France seems more volatile, but like Germany poverty is higher than 2007. (4) I am not defending poverty, or wish to engage in whataboutery, but stating the topic of poverty is not appropriate to this thread on Brexit. It is an issue of government policy. References 1. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn07096/#:~:text=Over%20the%20longer%2Dterm%2C%20poverty,relative%20low%20income%20has%20increased 2. www.yenisafak.com/en/economy/poverty-in-germany-at-highest-level-since-reunification-report-36479463. www.statista.com/statistics/1345354/at-risk-of-poverty-rate-germany/4. www.statista.com/statistics/460446/poverty-rate-france/#:~:text=In%20recent%20years%2C%20poverty%20in,the%20poverty%20rate%20in%202021.&text=Poverty%20in%20France%20reached%20its%20highest%20rate%20in%202018. They changed the definition of poverty during austerity. That’s why it looks better now. You say we are doing brilliantly because of brexit. I say the super rich are doing brilliantly and for everyone else, life has been a struggle in recent years. Have you not heard of the cost of living crisis? Brexit has made that worse for us all. Where have I said the UK is doing brilliantly? I am saying the economy is doing much better than the doom and groomers say it is. Obviously the pandemic brought a lot of suffering and the war a lot of inflation, but the UK is actually doing better than the left wing media keep portraying and the statistics I keep posting links to prove that. Most people's wage increases are much higher than their European counterparts, unless you are unlucky enough to work for government like health. craftguildofchefs.org/news/uk-hospitality-salaries-outpace-national-average-almost-3#:~:text=The%20latest%20research%20shows%20UK,at%2011.5%25%20and%2011.2%25. It isn't just the super rich better off. From the 1990s savings decline ed in the UK but since the referendum savings have been increasing. In recent weeks household ISAs issued have been a record levels. There is a lot of money about. news.sky.com/story/isa-deposits-hit-record-high-bank-of-england-says-13145994But were is also far more inequality which got better foremost of the 20 th century but stopped improving when the UK joined the EEC and the UK started handing over wealth to Europe and abandoning industry. Things got a whole lot worse after Maastricht and East European countries joined the EU. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 30, 2024 9:36:01 GMT
They changed the definition of poverty during austerity. That’s why it looks better now. You say we are doing brilliantly because of brexit. I say the super rich are doing brilliantly and for everyone else, life has been a struggle in recent years. Have you not heard of the cost of living crisis? Brexit has made that worse for us all. Where have I said the UK is doing brilliantly? I am saying the economy is doing much better than the doom and groomers say it is. Obviously the pandemic brought a lot of suffering and the war a lot of inflation, but the UK is actually doing better than the left wing media keep portraying and the statistics I keep posting links to prove that. Most people's wage increases are much higher than their European counterparts, unless you are unlucky enough to work for government like health. craftguildofchefs.org/news/uk-hospitality-salaries-outpace-national-average-almost-3#:~:text=The%20latest%20research%20shows%20UK,at%2011.5%25%20and%2011.2%25. It isn't just the super rich better off. From the 1990s savings decline ed in the UK but since the referendum savings have been increasing. In recent weeks household ISAs issued have been a record levels. There is a lot of money about. news.sky.com/story/isa-deposits-hit-record-high-bank-of-england-says-13145994But were is also far more inequality which got better foremost of the 20 th century but stopped improving when the UK joined the EEC and the UK started handing over wealth to Europe and abandoning industry. Things got a whole lot worse after Maastricht and East European countries joined the EU. Got a whole lot worse after we keft the EU as well |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 30, 2024 10:01:47 GMT
Where have I said the UK is doing brilliantly? I am saying the economy is doing much better than the doom and groomers say it is. Obviously the pandemic brought a lot of suffering and the war a lot of inflation, but the UK is actually doing better than the left wing media keep portraying and the statistics I keep posting links to prove that. Most people's wage increases are much higher than their European counterparts, unless you are unlucky enough to work for government like health. craftguildofchefs.org/news/uk-hospitality-salaries-outpace-national-average-almost-3#:~:text=The%20latest%20research%20shows%20UK,at%2011.5%25%20and%2011.2%25. It isn't just the super rich better off. From the 1990s savings decline ed in the UK but since the referendum savings have been increasing. In recent weeks household ISAs issued have been a record levels. There is a lot of money about. news.sky.com/story/isa-deposits-hit-record-high-bank-of-england-says-13145994But were is also far more inequality which got better foremost of the 20 th century but stopped improving when the UK joined the EEC and the UK started handing over wealth to Europe and abandoning industry. Things got a whole lot worse after Maastricht and East European countries joined the EU. Got a whole lot worse after we keft the EU as well Brexit obviously has absolutely nothing to do with our economy when it is bad. It is entirely responsible for anything good relating to our economy, like having 0.1% growth rather than 0% growth. |
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