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Post by wannabee on Feb 9, 2023 20:01:10 GMT
The Mail Doesn't make it wrong though. Your tragic lack of knowledge is only compounded by your liberal use of grinning emojis For some reason in support of your argument on Public Service Pensions you use a five your old Article from The Mail about Local Authority Pensions which while distorted and disingenuous is completely off topic. Local Authority Pensions are Funded entirely different to Public Service Pensions The Local Government Pension Scheme (LGPS) is a public service pension scheme. It is a defined benefit (DB) scheme which means it provides benefits based on salary and length of service. Unlike the other main public service pension schemes which operate on a pay-as-you-go basis (meaning that contributions are paid to the sponsoring government department which meets the costs of pensions in payment) it is funded (meaning that contributions are paid to a fund which is invested and from which benefits are paid at retirement).If you have the attention span you can read a full explanation from the House of Commons Library commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7309/
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Post by wannabee on Feb 10, 2023 14:03:48 GMT
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 11, 2023 17:38:50 GMT
Brexit recognised as a failure
"An extraordinary cross-party summit bringing together leading leavers and remainers – including Michael Gove and senior members of Keir Starmer’s shadow cabinet – has been held in high secrecy to address the failings of Brexit and how to remedy them in the national interest, the Observer can reveal."
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 11, 2023 17:49:23 GMT
Brexit recognised as a failure "An extraordinary cross-party summit bringing together leading leavers and remainers – including Michael Gove and senior members of Keir Starmer’s shadow cabinet – has been held in high secrecy to address the failings of Brexit and how to remedy them in the national interest, the Observer can reveal." I just saw this. Really good move to arrange the meeting. We need to make the best of this terrible decision.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 11, 2023 18:18:00 GMT
Brexit recognised as a failure "An extraordinary cross-party summit bringing together leading leavers and remainers – including Michael Gove and senior members of Keir Starmer’s shadow cabinet – has been held in high secrecy to address the failings of Brexit and how to remedy them in the national interest, the Observer can reveal." It's quite ridiculous that this Idealogical Stupidity was visited upon the UK Economy driven by deliberate lies and skulduggery Those responsible should be Prosecuted To try and fix a problem you first have to acknowledge there is one and this meeting is certainly a step among grown-ups to make the best of a crap hand but it will never have the equivalence of previous arrangements
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 11, 2023 19:08:24 GMT
Brexit recognised as a failure "An extraordinary cross-party summit bringing together leading leavers and remainers – including Michael Gove and senior members of Keir Starmer’s shadow cabinet – has been held in high secrecy to address the failings of Brexit and how to remedy them in the national interest, the Observer can reveal." It's quite ridiculous that this Idealogical Stupidity was visited upon the UK Economy driven by deliberate lies and skulduggery Those responsible should be Prosecuted To try and fix a problem you first have to acknowledge there is one and this meeting is certainly a step among grown-ups to make the best of a crap hand but it will never have the equivalence of previous arrangements i can't help but feel we'll be back in the EU within a decade. The liars who made it happen will either be dead, in prison, or out of public life living off ill gotten gains, and the younger generations who had no say in their own future, will overturn the older generations voting intention, and who are diminishing in numbers every day.
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Post by lordb on Feb 11, 2023 19:48:26 GMT
Brexit recognised as a failure "An extraordinary cross-party summit bringing together leading leavers and remainers – including Michael Gove and senior members of Keir Starmer’s shadow cabinet – has been held in high secrecy to address the failings of Brexit and how to remedy them in the national interest, the Observer can reveal." I just saw this. Really good move to arrange the meeting. We need to make the best of this terrible decision. Putting the country first hopefully
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 11, 2023 22:06:51 GMT
I just saw this. Really good move to arrange the meeting. We need to make the best of this terrible decision. Putting the country first hopefully A gradual realignment to minimise the damage as far as possible over the next decade so that both trade and movement of people, including workers, is as frictionless as possible. No-one really gives a shit about Europe, the EU and everything associated about our relationship with them, it was all weaponised in a ridiculous and, several years later, obviously nonsensical and fraudulent fashion by the ideologues at the time. People are much more interested in the stuff that really matters, at least when they're not being told what to think by the right wing press and grifters like Farage. Now that we've done it and have seen what a mess it's made of the country, hopefully, in a decade or so, when most of the dyed in the wool Brexiteers are dead, we'll be sensible enough as a nation to write off the previous 15 years as an unfortunate aberration of historic proportions that we now want to put right.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 12, 2023 17:17:41 GMT
I find the Guardian Article confusing as someone on this thread told me UKs Plan B alternative to EU €100Bn Horizon Project was actually better Another Brexit Benefit James Wilsdon, a professor of research policy at UCL, said: “While it’s sensible that Michelle Donelan is ramping up preparations for life outside Horizon Europe, she needs to temper her ‘plan B’ hubris with a dose of realism. As any researcher knows, you can’t simply swap out one set of collaborative relationships, built up over decades, for new and different ones elsewhere – particularly as a product of political diktat. That’s not how science works.
There’s no scenario in which life outside Horizon will be good for UK science. The sooner ministers stop pretending that it could be, and drop the ‘science superpower’ froth in favour of a level-headed assessment of UK options and priorities, the better. The policy goal should remain association. In absence of that, it’s all about damage limitation.” www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/12/eu-horizon-europe-research-michelle-donelan-uk-snub-brexit
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Post by wannabee on Feb 14, 2023 0:32:03 GMT
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Post by henry on Feb 14, 2023 7:19:52 GMT
So Brexit is not to blame for the country’s “economic woes “
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Post by wannabee on Feb 14, 2023 9:59:31 GMT
So Brexit is not to blame for the country’s “economic woes “ Don't be Horrid Henry, of course Brexit has been a roaring success and all them naysayers on "Project Fear" were totally incorrect
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 14, 2023 12:00:50 GMT
It's quite ridiculous that this Idealogical Stupidity was visited upon the UK Economy driven by deliberate lies and skulduggery Those responsible should be Prosecuted To try and fix a problem you first have to acknowledge there is one and this meeting is certainly a step among grown-ups to make the best of a crap hand but it will never have the equivalence of previous arrangements i can't help but feel we'll be back in the EU within a decade. The liars who made it happen will either be dead, in prison, or out of public life living off ill gotten gains, and the younger generations who had no say in their own future, will overturn the older generations voting intention, and who are diminishing in numbers every day. Possibly, but what would it take to have them do that? There would have to be substantial pressure and calls for change. There isn’t any of that at present.
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Post by henry on Feb 14, 2023 12:25:48 GMT
So Brexit is not to blame for the country’s “economic woes “ Don't be Horrid Henry, of course Brexit has been a roaring success and all them naysayers on "Project Fear" were totally incorrect I was just quoting the article that YOU linked.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 14, 2023 13:33:47 GMT
i can't help but feel we'll be back in the EU within a decade. The liars who made it happen will either be dead, in prison, or out of public life living off ill gotten gains, and the younger generations who had no say in their own future, will overturn the older generations voting intention, and who are diminishing in numbers every day. Possibly, but what would it take to have them do that? There would have to be substantial pressure and calls for change. There isn’t any of that at present.
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Post by scfc1863 on Feb 14, 2023 14:26:38 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 14, 2023 14:39:27 GMT
So Brexit is not to blame for the country’s “economic woes “ You really wouldn't expect an arch Brexiteer to claim anything else would you though?
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 14, 2023 16:10:21 GMT
I think this was all predictable though wasn't it? Companies want to know all the rules etc before they make big investment so Brexit was obviously gonna see us fall behind for a little bit. The pound had to drop a lot to encourage what money we could get. The promise is that once we were "free" in 2020 all the investment would flood into the UK. Once investors believed in Britain again and saw all the new productive factories being built, the pound would shoot back up. Looks like the bonus bit has been delayed.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 15, 2023 12:02:27 GMT
i can't help but feel we'll be back in the EU within a decade. The liars who made it happen will either be dead, in prison, or out of public life living off ill gotten gains, and the younger generations who had no say in their own future, will overturn the older generations voting intention, and who are diminishing in numbers every day. Possibly, but what would it take to have them do that? There would have to be substantial pressure and calls for change. There isn’t any of that at present. Aren't there? Political leaders being quite rightly shit scared of the topic isn't shutting down the debate. Hopefully closer alignment will be a stepping stone to re entry when the subject is less divisive.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 15, 2023 14:52:46 GMT
I just love the way he laughs in their faces, I think 'owned' is what the cool kids say ...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 15, 2023 15:49:37 GMT
I just love the way he laughs in their faces, I think 'owned' is what the cool kids say ... Watched it this morning, bloody brilliant. Showing those two grifters up for what they are...clueless!
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Post by 4372 on Feb 22, 2023 12:58:29 GMT
I am off to Portugal tomorrow for a few days. If anyone wants any tomatoes or fresh veg bringing back, just let me know.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 22, 2023 13:34:59 GMT
I just love the way he laughs in their faces, I think 'owned' is what the cool kids say ... It's the Left's fault...it's Remainers' fault...it's immigrants' fault....it's Putin's fault....it's the anti-growth coalition's fault...it's the left-wing economic establishment's fault... Jesus, when will these Brexiteer shysters ever own their own mess?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 22, 2023 13:37:43 GMT
I am off to Portugal tomorrow for a few days. If anyone wants any tomatoes or fresh veg bringing back, just let me know. 2 Dozen please... I'm after a mortgage deposit.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 22, 2023 13:39:44 GMT
I am off to Portugal tomorrow for a few days. If anyone wants any tomatoes or fresh veg bringing back, just let me know.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 23, 2023 8:53:15 GMT
So still after Brexit was “done” by Johnson, his Northern Ireland protocol is being endlessly negotiated. There is absolutely nothing that the DUP and the ERG will accept. Everyone knows Johnson’s protocol deals means accepting some Eu law for Northern Ireland and some oversight of EU Judges. Why won’t Sunak act in the national interest, announce the deal that has been done for weeks, and get it through on Labour support.
But no. He chooses party over country every time. Brexit has torn the brexiteers apart because they never understood it in the first place.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 23, 2023 9:03:41 GMT
So still after Brexit was “done” by Johnson, his Northern Ireland protocol is being endlessly negotiated. There is absolutely nothing that the DUP and the ERG will accept. Everyone knows Johnson’s protocol deals means accepting some Eu law for Northern Ireland and some oversight of EU Judges. Why won’t Sunak act in the national interest, announce the deal that has been done for weeks, and get it through on Labour support. But no. He chooses party over country every time. Brexit has torn the brexiteers apart because they never understood it in the first place. Europe always has and always will be the issue that tears the Tories apart.
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 24, 2023 12:52:41 GMT
He's been wrong about every single thing he's ever got involved in .... not that he's bothered, still picks up his MEP pension when done, and is bankrolled by unsavoury characters intent on destroying this country.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 24, 2023 13:33:16 GMT
I’ll never understand why the general public was able to vote on a concept, rather than a plan. It was an utterly stupid decision. Moreover, the sheer amount of time that politicians have spent trying to achieve this concept and then debate it over and over and over again has surely helped contribute to the economic woes of the country.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 24, 2023 13:42:36 GMT
I’ll never understand why the general public was able to vote on a concept, rather than a plan. It was an utterly stupid decision. Moreover, the sheer amount of time that politicians have spent trying to achieve this concept and then debate it over and over and over again has surely helped contribute to the economic woes of the country. It’s called democracy
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