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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 2, 2023 17:41:40 GMT
It would be great to get an update from some of those from the early pages of this thread. Where's good old Roger for example? So many vocal supporters of brexit yet it's not a ghost town in here. It is hard to admit you were wrong about something. |
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 2, 2023 19:06:19 GMT
it's easier to video a unicorn than it is to get boris johnson on camera telling the truth,
but in any case, lies and more lies, just so he could get into power for his own needs, to rake it in after he left his post as PM. It was always the plan.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 2, 2023 19:56:02 GMT
it's easier to video a unicorn than it is to get boris johnson on camera telling the truth, but in any case, lies and more lies, just so he could get into power for his own needs, to rake it in after he left his post as PM. It was always the plan. This is Boris barefaced lying to a bunch of DUP Clowns who when they had the balance of power in Parliament rejected May's deal because they didn’t like the Backstop which kept NI in Single Market (like under Protocol) until an alternative arrangement (technology) could be found It also kept the whole of UK in Customs Union until such time as an alternative (technology) could be found to Imports/Exports between NI and Britain If there is a bunch of stupid intransigent bunch of MPs anywhere in the World than DUP I'm not aware of them They consistently make the wrong decision at every opportunity and foolishly believe people like Boris and ERG |
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 2, 2023 21:01:59 GMT
It would be great to get an update from some of those from the early pages of this thread. Where's good old Roger for example? So many vocal supporters of brexit yet it's not a ghost town in here. It is hard to admit you were wrong about something. Especially of something so important and vital to all our lives. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 2, 2023 21:52:43 GMT
it's easier to video a unicorn than it is to get boris johnson on camera telling the truth, but in any case, lies and more lies, just so he could get into power for his own needs, to rake it in after he left his post as PM. It was always the plan. This is Boris barefaced lying to a bunch of DUP Clowns who when they had the balance of power in Parliament rejected May's deal because they didn’t like the Backstop which kept NI in Single Market (like under Protocol) until an alternative arrangement (technology) could be found It also kept the whole of UK in Customs Union until such time as an alternative (technology) could be found to Imports/Exports between NI and Britain If there is a bunch of stupid intransigent bunch of MPs anywhere in the World than DUP I'm not aware of them They consistently make the wrong decision at every opportunity and foolishly believe people like Boris and ERG Amazing that so many people would happily have this liar back in office. Just weird. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 5, 2023 12:26:19 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Feb 5, 2023 14:26:15 GMT
Some of the comments from Conservatives still supporting Brexit are eerily familiar to some on here from certain quarters It's going to take 10 years, the implementation was wrong, the negotiations were wrong because the nasty EU wouldn't agree with everything we asked for (after all they need us more than we need them) and finally it was all about Sovereignty anyway The last one is particularly funny as next week the Bonfire of EU Laws begins where Ministers get to retain, amend or scrap EU Laws without any Parliamentary Scrutiny This is on top of Legislation on Minimum Service where the Minister gets to decide what that Minimum Service should be without consultation as there are no guidelines in the Bill We are well on the way to becoming a Totalitarian State, appropriate really as UK Economy is forecast to be even worse than Sanctioned Russia in 2023 |
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 5, 2023 16:20:59 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 5, 2023 17:24:56 GMT
Some of the comments from Conservatives still supporting Brexit are eerily familiar to some on here from certain quarters It's going to take 10 years, the implementation was wrong, the negotiations were wrong because the nasty EU wouldn't agree with everything we asked for (after all they need us more than we need them) and finally it was all about Sovereignty anyway The last one is particularly funny as next week the Bonfire of EU Laws begins where Ministers get to retain, amend or scrap EU Laws without any Parliamentary Scrutiny This is on top of Legislation on Minimum Service where the Minister gets to decide what that Minimum Service should be without consultation as there are no guidelines in the Bill We are well on the way to becoming a Totalitarian State, appropriate really as UK Economy is forecast to be even worse than Sanctioned Russia in 2023 Reduced protection and regulation for workers and consumers and less environmental protection, what could possibly go wrong? No need to worry about cladding standards? River water quality? Pfft. Or perhaps they'll surprise us all and, despite needing to save money as a result of Brexit costing us £100bn a year every year for the next decade, they'll actually put more protections in place...ha  |
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Post by skemstokie on Feb 7, 2023 12:28:10 GMT
Time for a Tixerb movement to turn around Brexit decision. |
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Post by skemstokie on Feb 7, 2023 12:33:09 GMT
I wonder if any of the Brexit devotees on here can tell me what has happened regarding other countries wishing to follow our lead and leave the EU, i seem to recall some claiming the whole concept of the EU would be dead within 3 years. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 7, 2023 18:04:37 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Feb 8, 2023 12:36:51 GMT
Edited by removing non HS2 comments It may not be popular on these pages but HS2 is the biggest investment project in infrastructure in Europe. It's great that the French EDF Company have been given the go ahead to construct the Size C Plant which they will own in a 50/50 partnership
You do realise that the enormous cost of HS2 is because UK Construction costs are about 6 times greater than in Europe although i think think its good that UK is upgrading its infrastructure to a standard comparable throughout Europe
Here the boss of Spanish Company Ferrovial one of the main Contractors on HS2 explains why costs are so ridiculously high compared to Europe Ferrovial boss on why high speed rail costs more in UK
12 JUL, 2022 BY ROB HORGAN
Ferrovial's UK construction director has revealed why he thinks constructing high speed railways costs so much more in the UK than it does on mainland Europe.
The cost of building the entire High Speed 2 (HS2) network is estimated to be in the region of £100bn. The funding envelope for phase one alone is up to £44.6bn. It means building HS2 will cost around £200M per kilometre.
By way of comparison, a government assessment of 20 European high speed railway networks (High speed rail international benchmarking study) concludes that “that high speed rail lines can be delivered under certain circumstances at an average cost of £32M per km”. A European Court of Auditors benchmarking report from 2018 puts the average cost even lower on the continent at £25M per kilometre.
Speaking at NCE’s Future of Rail conference, Ricardo Ferreras said that the process of obtaining permits and conducting environmental studies in the UK was largely behind the increased cost of building high speed railways in the UK.
“It’s true the cost per kilometre is way higher in the UK than it is in Europe, for example in France or Spain,” Ferreras said.
“It is about the number of resources that we use here in the UK that are linked with planning; the environmental matters, the stakeholder engagement, all the consents that are needed.
“As an example in Spain the government will get all consents, and all environmental permits, and then when they award the contract to a contractor, the contractor can just focus on delivering the project.
“So, here we do it differently. I am not saying it is worse but it is different and it takes much more man power and obviously that increases the cost of the project.”
He added: “I think the consenting regime here for these big projects, and getting everything while you are developing the design, creates a lot of issues and that sort of slows down the process. A lot of people, a lot more time and that of course means more cost.
“That said the way things are planned here and delivered is absolutely phenomenal so I’m not saying it is worse but there could be a balance.”
Ferrovial has a long history of delivering high speed rail projects. In total, the Spanish firm has built 487km of high speed rail around the world, as well as 80 high speed rail viaducts and six high speed rail stations.
www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/ferrovial-boss-on-why-high-speed-rail-costs-more-in-uk-12-07-2022/
Here is a fact check from 2017 on why HS2 which started in 2012 is costing so much compared to TGV. Of course HS2 costs have doubled since then
www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-qa-how-does-hs2-compare-to-other-bullet-trains
Why you would want to boast about such inefficiency and waste of Tax Payers money I don't know
I think it may be time to have a rethink on what to call this HS2 Project. I suggest "The Train" as at this point anything else could be challenged under The Trade Descriptions Act I think it was Topper who suggested Ryanair should get the Operating Franchise as it will get you somewhere near where you want to go. I doubt however the Ticket Pricing Structure will be as attractive. More cuts to services and costs piling up! "What a way to run a Railroad" www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/07/hs2-train-services-almost-halved-proposal-cut-costs/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1675796617-1 |
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Post by skemstokie on Feb 8, 2023 17:43:44 GMT
It is like they have tired of gloating over their "victory" or perhaps they just don`t want to admit they cocked the country up. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 8, 2023 17:48:52 GMT
It is like they have tired of gloating over their "victory" or perhaps they just don`t want to admit they cocked the country up. Yeah, these days you don't see so many "pick up your bottom lip and fuck off" type comments from the Brexit brigade in crisis hit, extortionate Britain. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 9, 2023 9:00:16 GMT
The FTSE 100 is at a record high. No doubt evidence of brexit benefitting the economy, eh Cokey!?
As long as the shareholders of the richest businesses do well, screw the rest!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 9, 2023 13:50:57 GMT
Another Brexit benefit that isn't going to be happening ... www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/09/zac-goldsmith-fur-foie-gras-import-ban-brexit-animal-welfareZac Goldsmith has spoken out against the UK government’s plans to shelve import bans of fur and foie gras, which were supposed to be a “Brexit bonus”. Thérèse Coffey, the environment secretary, told the Sunday Telegraph that she planned not to take forward post-Brexit animal welfare plans. However, the peer, who is now a minister in the Foreign Office, told the Guardian that the government should stick to its post-Brexit animal welfare commitments. The plans to ban imports of the products were criticised by some on the right wing of the party, and now the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs has said it will not be taken forward. Goldsmith said: “The action plan for animal welfare, which contains fur and foie gras import bans, is a fantastic package of relatively easy-win commitments. People in this country care very much about animal welfare and that should be reflected in actions taken by government. There is an expectation that government will see these reforms through, and of course we should.” In 2021, the government hailed its action plan, and claimed that leaving the EU meant it could take steps to stop cruelty abroad. Fur and foie gras production are banned on cruelty grounds in the UK but products can still be imported. Foie gras is produced when geese and ducks are prevented from exercising and force-fed so that their livers grow abnormally fat. Goldsmith recently likened the production of the delicacy to assaulting a household pet, tweeting: “It should be banned everywhere. You (rightly) can’t kick a cat, but producing foie gras takes cruelty to a whole new level. It is an abomination.” |
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Post by henry on Feb 9, 2023 17:34:39 GMT
The FTSE 100 is at a record high. No doubt evidence of brexit benefitting the economy, eh Cokey!? As long as the shareholders of the richest businesses do well, screw the rest! It's also good news for millions of private sector workers who put aside some of their income every week into pensions to help them out in retirement,unlike the public sector who's pensions are paid for by the tax payer. You should be rejoicing. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 9, 2023 17:38:36 GMT
The FTSE 100 is at a record high. No doubt evidence of brexit benefitting the economy, eh Cokey!? As long as the shareholders of the richest businesses do well, screw the rest! It's also good news for millions of private sector workers who put aside some of their income every week into pensions to help them out in retirement,unlike the public sector who's pensions are paid for by the tax payer. You should be rejoicing. Yes, it is no bad thing. But not a sign of a blossoming economy. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 9, 2023 17:45:00 GMT
The FTSE 100 is at a record high. No doubt evidence of brexit benefitting the economy, eh Cokey!? As long as the shareholders of the richest businesses do well, screw the rest! It's also good news for millions of private sector workers who put aside some of their income every week into pensions to help them out in retirement,unlike the public sector who's pensions are paid for by the tax payer. You should be rejoicing. What? You surely don't think that public sector workers don't put aside part of their income into pensions? |
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Post by henry on Feb 9, 2023 17:54:13 GMT
It's also good news for millions of private sector workers who put aside some of their income every week into pensions to help them out in retirement,unlike the public sector who's pensions are paid for by the tax payer. You should be rejoicing. What? You surely don't think that public sector workers don't put aside part of their income into pensions? Is it exposed to risk ? I'd rather the 3rd of my council tax went in my pension pot instead of someone else's. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 9, 2023 18:00:33 GMT
What? You surely don't think that public sector workers don't put aside part of their income into pensions? Is it exposed to risk ? I'd rather the 3rd of my council tax went in my pension pot instead of someone else's. Yes, it works in precisely the same way as a private pension does ie it invests in various areas to generate income for the overall pension fund. Less than 6% of council tax funds local government pension schemes. |
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Post by wannabee on Feb 9, 2023 18:01:49 GMT
It's also good news for millions of private sector workers who put aside some of their income every week into pensions to help them out in retirement,unlike the public sector who's pensions are paid for by the tax payer. You should be rejoicing. What? You surely don't think that public sector workers don't put aside part of their income into pensions? Or that Private Sector Employers are not legally obliged to contribute to Employees Pensions |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 9, 2023 18:02:11 GMT
It's also good news for millions of private sector workers who put aside some of their income every week into pensions to help them out in retirement,unlike the public sector who's pensions are paid for by the tax payer. You should be rejoicing. Yes, it is no bad thing. But not a sign of a blossoming economy. The FTSE100 is heavily reliant on earnings in the US and is boosted by weak Sterling as a result. FTSE250 is a much better gauge of the UK economy. www.ftserussell.com/blogs/overseas-revenues-boon-ftse-100-performance |
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Post by henry on Feb 9, 2023 18:06:21 GMT
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Post by henry on Feb 9, 2023 18:07:42 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 9, 2023 18:07:47 GMT
The Mail  |
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Post by henry on Feb 9, 2023 18:10:34 GMT
The Mail Doesn't make it wrong though. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 9, 2023 18:13:13 GMT
The Mail Doesn't make it wrong though. It actually does Perhaps someone with more knowledge of public sector pensions and council tax would care to put the true figure in here. The Mail, being the Mail, will only ever present the picture that paints this subject in the worst possible light, as the Mail does with everything that isn't Boris Johnson, Liz Truss or the royal family. |
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Post by henry on Feb 9, 2023 18:23:08 GMT
Doesn't make it wrong though. It actually does Perhaps someone with more knowledge of public sector pensions and council tax would care to put the true figure in here. The Mail, being the Mail, will only ever present the picture that paints this subject in the worst possible light, as the Mail does with everything that isn't Boris Johnson, Liz Truss or the royal family. You said it was less than 6%, where do you get that figure from ? |
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