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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2022 14:23:57 GMT
That’s not the point. The point is you completely exonerate the EU for their conduct. And that is risible. No i have not. You will quote me to prove me wrong if I have. When it comes to brexit, we are acting like spoilt idiots. We can’t have our cake and eat it. There you go again. The EU are behaving every bit as badly as us. But you don’t see that because you are, well, how to put it kindly… somewhat jaundiced.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2022 14:24:09 GMT
I don't think the French would do us any favours , whatever the circumstances..... Inside the EU or outside Maybe. Maybe not. But they are more likely to if we start treating the brexit deal with the respect an international treaty deserves. We should not have signed it, drawn up by the Remainer, May....OK, we did, bit it is the correct thing to do , to try to renegotiate, which we have tried. It does put us in a difficult position....but if we can't renegotiate, we have to take a different course. The ultimate answer is a United Ireland but of course none of the careerist politicians would want to face, be associated or be responsible for that.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 24, 2022 14:25:44 GMT
They may ask why we are breaching an international treaty we suggested, championed and signed up to so recently after we agreed it. Perhaps if we stop treating them as opponents to the NIre protocol and brexit treaty, they may then have some more goodwill towards us on other matters. We wanted to cut ties with them. We chose to do so and we could have done it in a friendly and sensible way. Instead we have been as aggressive as possible. Now it comes back to hurt us in the many way in which our nation is impacted by what happens in our neighbouring nations. The UK is a net energy importer and is running a record trade deficit due to the increased cost of energy imports. That cost is further increased by the increased value of the $ due to the war in Ukraine. Nevertheless the UK has been exporting record amounts of gas to the EU since March to keep them going and the UK has been exporting electricity to France to keep them going while they are maintaining half their aging nuclear power stations that are shut down for essential maintenance. When little Jersey stops issuing fishing licences to French fishermen who can't prove they have always fished in Jersey waters, the French bullies threaten to shut off their power. The Portuguese and Spanish have opened fast electronic passport lanes for British tourists and the Greeks have relaxed conditions for British bands to work in Greece. There is no reason why mutually beneficial agreements on all manner of matters could not be entered into, if the will is there. The UK have not "cut ties" with France, we have decided not to be a member of a customs union and be subject to laws made in Brussels and Strasbourg, and part of an organization committed to ever closer union. The UK is providing the EU with gas and electricity because it would foolish to damage the EU economy any further than it already is by the war in Ukraine and the EU's loss of the UK as a member. The UK is still highly dependant on the EU for exports and even more so imports, getting a third of our food from the EU. So it is in our interests to look after them and help them out. I absolutely agree that us and the French should work closer and better together to deal with issues in a collaborative way. But we are the ones breaching the Northern Ireland protocol and running roughshod over a deal that was carefully negotiated by both sides for many, many months. Diplomacy is needed. And we are not showing much. So I am not surprised the French are nonchalant about the border issues. They did ask to double their border stations at Dover to speed up checks, but our government rejected the request.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 24, 2022 14:28:55 GMT
No i have not. You will quote me to prove me wrong if I have. When it comes to brexit, we are acting like spoilt idiots. We can’t have our cake and eat it. There you go again. The EU are behaving every bit as badly as us. But you don’t see that because you are, well, how to put it kindly… somewhat jaundiced. They haven’t breached the treaty though. We are. So you are simply wrong.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2022 14:47:59 GMT
There you go again. The EU are behaving every bit as badly as us. But you don’t see that because you are, well, how to put it kindly… somewhat jaundiced. They haven’t breached the treaty though. We are. So you are simply wrong. I think you’ll find they breached the treaty last year, or was their conduct over vaccines acceptable.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 24, 2022 14:50:55 GMT
They haven’t breached the treaty though. We are. So you are simply wrong. I think you’ll find they breached the treaty last year, or was their conduct over vaccines acceptable. Please elaborate. I am not certain I know what you are talking about.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2022 14:55:34 GMT
I think you’ll find they breached the treaty last year, or was their conduct over vaccines acceptable. Please elaborate. I am not certain I know what you are talking about. Really? That time the EU triggered an emergency provision in the Brexit deal to control Covid vaccine exports from the EU. A utterly shameless act from the EU.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 24, 2022 15:00:28 GMT
Please elaborate. I am not certain I know what you are talking about. Really? That time the EU triggered an emergency provision in the Brexit deal to control Covid vaccine exports from the EU. A utterly shameless act from the EU. If they triggered something in the treaty, how does that breach the treaty? I don’t recall any legal action. I can’t find anything about this supposed breach of the brexit treaty with a very quick google search. We could be invoking article 16 of the treaty but instead we are unilaterally passing legislation to revoke parts of it. Which is undoubtedly in breach of the treaty. Edit: found it now: www.bbc.com/news/uk-55865539.ampIt looks like bad behaviour from the EU, but at least they u turned on it within hours of announcing it and didn’t follow through with it. So at least they didn’t actually breach the treaty. Unlike us.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2022 15:10:08 GMT
Really? That time the EU triggered an emergency provision in the Brexit deal to control Covid vaccine exports from the EU. A utterly shameless act from the EU. If they triggered something in the treaty, how does that breach the treaty? I don’t recall any legal action. I can’t find anything about this supposed breach of the brexit treaty with a very quick google search. We could be invoking article 16 of the treaty but instead we are unilaterally passing legislation to revoke parts of it. Which is undoubtedly in breach of the treaty. Edit: found it now: www.bbc.com/news/uk-55865539.ampIt looks like bad behaviour from the EU, but at least they u turned on it within hours of announcing it and didn’t follow through with it. So at least they didn’t actually breach the treaty. Unlike us. So, we’re back to this… Self-hating Remainers are blind to the EU's flawsWhich sums you up to a T.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 24, 2022 15:55:56 GMT
If they triggered something in the treaty, how does that breach the treaty? I don’t recall any legal action. I can’t find anything about this supposed breach of the brexit treaty with a very quick google search. We could be invoking article 16 of the treaty but instead we are unilaterally passing legislation to revoke parts of it. Which is undoubtedly in breach of the treaty. Edit: found it now: www.bbc.com/news/uk-55865539.ampIt looks like bad behaviour from the EU, but at least they u turned on it within hours of announcing it and didn’t follow through with it. So at least they didn’t actually breach the treaty. Unlike us. So, we’re back to this… Self-hating Remainers are blind to the EU's flawsWhich sums you up to a T. Again, I cannot read the article. But it talks about hating the UK in the intro. I don’t hate the Uk. I love the UK. I hate our government. You cannot see the distinction though, which is baffling me as you are not thick. You also seem to think that the EU saying they will withhold vaccines then changing their mind a few hours later is as bad as breaking international law by unilaterally legislating to revoke major parts of a treaty you willingly signed up to a couple of years ago, which, if the reasoning we are doing this is correct, there is provision in the treaty for it with article 16, which we are ignoring. What we are doing is many times worse as we have not U turned within a few hours. Also, the EU used Article 16. Then they changed their mind, rightly so. We are not using the treaty. We are just breaking the law. We are behaving far worse than the eu. We chose to leave. We championed the deal we struck. Now we are trying to unilaterally back out of it.
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Post by 4372 on Jul 24, 2022 16:02:29 GMT
The article Partick highlighted was in the Telegraph this weekend, and was written by an eminent historian who is/was a Brexit supporter. I think that may be important to your understanding of it.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 24, 2022 16:11:03 GMT
Nevertheless the UK has been exporting record amounts of gas to the EU since March to keep them going and the UK has been exporting electricity to France to keep them going while they are maintaining half their aging nuclear power stations that are shut down for essential maintenance. ... The UK is providing the EU with gas and electricity because it would foolish to damage the EU economy any further than it already is by the war in Ukraine and the EU's loss of the UK as a member. The UK is still highly dependant on the EU for exports and even more so imports, getting a third of our food from the EU. So it is in our interests to look after them and help them out. I don't think the WU see the gas imports so much as us being generous. We literally don't have space to store it and we're getting paid. Just like European countries get paid for the 5-10% of our yearly electricity they provide.
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Post by prettything on Jul 24, 2022 17:28:15 GMT
Brexit promises v reality.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2022 18:28:11 GMT
Brexit promises v reality. That is quite a funny video. But, also bollocks. Because the current problems are down to arsey French behaviour. And not for the first time. Care to put a date on this scene?
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Post by wannabee on Jul 24, 2022 18:44:12 GMT
Nevertheless the UK has been exporting record amounts of gas to the EU since March to keep them going and the UK has been exporting electricity to France to keep them going while they are maintaining half their aging nuclear power stations that are shut down for essential maintenance. ... The UK is providing the EU with gas and electricity because it would foolish to damage the EU economy any further than it already is by the war in Ukraine and the EU's loss of the UK as a member. The UK is still highly dependant on the EU for exports and even more so imports, getting a third of our food from the EU. So it is in our interests to look after them and help them out. I don't think the WU see the gas imports so much as us being generous. We literally don't have space to store it and we're getting paid. Just like European countries get paid for the 5-10% of our yearly electricity they provide. Spot on but why spoil a good story with actual facts UK Energy exports to EU is being driven by UK Imports of LNG by Ship mostly from US and converting then exporting to EU via Pipeline www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2022/jun/13/uk-gas-oil-exports-eu-amid-russia-ukraine-brexitMeanwhile UKs critically low Storage Capacity (2% of European Capacity) even before Ukraine War makes UK particularly vulnerable in security and price volatility www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2022/jan/10/heres-how-to-solve-the-uk-energy-crisis-for-the-long-term-store-more-power
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Post by prettything on Jul 24, 2022 18:47:36 GMT
Brexit promises v reality. That is quite a funny video. But, also bollocks. Because the current problems are down to arsey French behaviour. And not for the first time. It was posted seven days ago by “led by donkeys” and filmed themselves. Care to put a date on this scene?
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Post by wannabee on Jul 24, 2022 18:57:42 GMT
Brexit promises v reality. That is quite a funny video. But, also bollocks. Because the current problems are down to arsey French behaviour. And not for the first time. Care to put a date on this scene? You're like a Climate denier Yes before Global Warming there were some extremely warm days The reality is that now they are more prolonged and intense As so it will be with disruptions at Dover and even worse as another poster pointed out when Biometric Testing is implemented in September Ironically what may ease the situation is that many Exporters particularly smaller ones are finding the cost of exports due to increased cost of documentation is just not worth it As you say the Video is hilarious but not half as hilarious as Brexiteers believing the Bullshit and now blame the French
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2022 18:59:21 GMT
So what's the solution?
At this time of year, the beginning of the UK school holidays, there is always pressure on the crossings , obviously, pre and post Brexit. It is also a time when the French have chosen to " take action" when they have an industrial dispute, to cause maximum impact, especially pre Brexit, but leaving that aside, obviously, in this post Brexit adjustment period it is taking longer to make the crossing. Whether that is deliberately political and / or an obvious direct consequence of Brexit, isn't the immediate question,in my opinion. The question is , given our new relationship with France, what is the solution?
Rejoin the EU.
Or
Change the physical infrastructure of the crossing points and / or for the French to increase the personnel , just at peak times , to alleviate the backlog. Why should they do this? That's perhaps a question for the French, of course they don't have to. A further solution could be for UK holiday makers to realise that the end of July is a peak time and either delay their journeys or to find alternative destinations or routes?
Are there other solutions, or are we not really interested in solutions?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 24, 2022 18:59:32 GMT
That is quite a funny video. But, also bollocks. Because the current problems are down to arsey French behaviour. And not for the first time. Care to put a date on this scene? You're like a Climate denier Yes before Global Warming there were some extremely warm days The reality is that now they are more prolonged and intense As so it will be with disruptions at Dover and even worse as another poster pointed out when Biometric Testing is implemented in September Ironically what may ease the situation is that many Exporters particularly smaller ones are finding the cost of exports due to increased cost of documentation is just not worth it As you say the Video is hilarious but not half as hilarious as Brexiteers believing the Bullshit and now blame the French They have to blame something, and it can't be Brexit.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2022 19:02:50 GMT
You're like a Climate denier Yes before Global Warming there were some extremely warm days The reality is that now they are more prolonged and intense As so it will be with disruptions at Dover and even worse as another poster pointed out when Biometric Testing is implemented in September Ironically what may ease the situation is that many Exporters particularly smaller ones are finding the cost of exports due to increased cost of documentation is just not worth it As you say the Video is hilarious but not half as hilarious as Brexiteers believing the Bullshit and now blame the French They have to blame something, and it can't be Brexit. No ,Blame the UK citizens for voting for it.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 24, 2022 21:36:35 GMT
They may ask why we are breaching an international treaty we suggested, championed and signed up to so recently after we agreed it. Perhaps if we stop treating them as opponents to the NIre protocol and brexit treaty, they may then have some more goodwill towards us on other matters. We wanted to cut ties with them. We chose to do so and we could have done it in a friendly and sensible way. Instead we have been as aggressive as possible. Now it comes back to hurt us in the many way in which our nation is impacted by what happens in our neighbouring nations. Nevertheless the UK has been exporting record amounts of gas to the EU since March to keep them going and the UK has been exporting electricity to France to keep them going while they are maintaining half their aging nuclear power stations that are shut down for essential maintenance. Just to be clear, are we giving France/the EU this gas or selling it to them? The way it's worded makes it sound as though we're doing them a favour, when I assumed it was just basic business (we have gas to sell, they have a need to buy).
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 24, 2022 21:49:19 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Jul 24, 2022 23:54:25 GMT
So what's the solution? At this time of year, the beginning of the UK school holidays, there is always pressure on the crossings , obviously, pre and post Brexit. It is also a time when the French have chosen to " take action" when they have an industrial dispute, to cause maximum impact, especially pre Brexit, but leaving that aside, obviously, in this post Brexit adjustment period it is taking longer to make the crossing. Whether that is deliberately political and / or an obvious direct consequence of Brexit, isn't the immediate question,in my opinion. The question is , given our new relationship with France, what is the solution? Rejoin the EU. Or Change the physical infrastructure of the crossing points and / or for the French to increase the personnel , just at peak times , to alleviate the backlog. Why should they do this? That's perhaps a question for the French, of course they don't have to. A further solution could be for UK holiday makers to realise that the end of July is a peak time and either delay their journeys or to find alternative destinations or routes? Are there other solutions, or are we not really interested in solutions? BigJohn, I believe your asking a genuine question so I'll try and give you a genuine answer from my perspective some of which you may agree with First off rejoining EU is not an option for anyone other than deranged Remainers even for debate for at least a generation which is generally regarded as between 20-30 years Without trying to reopen the whole debate, on the Remain Campaign side arrogance by remainers who expected the populace just to follow the instructions of the Establishment because they were told to conducted a crap campaign That was hardly the Leave Campaigns problem but different Leave Campaigners promised different things a lot of which was misguided but I believe they mostly thought was true. A Classic example of this was the oft used example of German Luxury Cars. To many Leavers it was inconceivable that EU would jeopardise selling into the UK if it would hurt their own Economy and expected life to proceed as before. Many Leavers to this day blame the ineptitude of May's negotiations as to why that outcome didn't manifest. I would consider myself a realistic Remainer that considers the debate over but find it incomprehensible that some of the policies being pursued counter productive in everyones interest. At some point someone has to be the adult in the room and exercise some Diplomacy for mutual interest. I'd add for Leavers to attribute reasons and second guess why people voted leave is foolish as people voted that way for many reasons although Polls suggest that buyers Remorse is in play with more people now regretting vote Leave. To the specific question of Channel Crossings A fact of Life of decisions made inevitably lead to the situation becoming worse. Not all the time but at Peak Periods and more of them We must accept as a Third Party Country that we no longer have any leverage to directly alter that situation Indirectly if much less traffic enters Calais and hurts their economy I could see a more positive reaction from the French Authorities Will the French Border Agents change work practices, very unlikely The average French worker receives 6 weeks MINIMUM annual leave and up to 10 weeks in some professions most of this is taken in July/August so during these months up to half the workforce will be absent, deal with it. In addition to 6/10 weeks Annual Leave there are 11 Public Holidays mostly occurring in May and December which are effectively shut down days. These are the realities of French work life balances and staff shortages are not contrived to piss off the Brits ... BUT if there were a more Entente Cordial relationship rather than both sides slagging each other off their MIGHT be a slightly better situation As I understand The Port of Dover has infrastructure issues. It was constructed to cater for Euro Tunnel Traffic with Free Movement of Goods and People. 60% of Exports from UK to EU pass through Dover a fact that Dominic Rabb as Brexit Secretary came to discover in November 2018 having been aided by Failing Grayling as Transport Secretary since Brexit Referendum until replaced in the Johnson Government by the equally inept Shapps. Ask yourself is it possible there was failure to plan adequately for Brexit by these 3 Amigos? The Port of Dover requested Funding to double the number of Control Stations manned by French Border Control from 6 to 12 Stations in preparation for Brexit The request was rejected and we have today the original 6, go figure.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 25, 2022 6:45:40 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2022 8:50:59 GMT
So what's the solution? At this time of year, the beginning of the UK school holidays, there is always pressure on the crossings , obviously, pre and post Brexit. It is also a time when the French have chosen to " take action" when they have an industrial dispute, to cause maximum impact, especially pre Brexit, but leaving that aside, obviously, in this post Brexit adjustment period it is taking longer to make the crossing. Whether that is deliberately political and / or an obvious direct consequence of Brexit, isn't the immediate question,in my opinion. The question is , given our new relationship with France, what is the solution? Rejoin the EU. Or Change the physical infrastructure of the crossing points and / or for the French to increase the personnel , just at peak times , to alleviate the backlog. Why should they do this? That's perhaps a question for the French, of course they don't have to. A further solution could be for UK holiday makers to realise that the end of July is a peak time and either delay their journeys or to find alternative destinations or routes? Are there other solutions, or are we not really interested in solutions? BigJohn, I believe your asking a genuine question so I'll try and give you a genuine answer from my perspective some of which you may agree with First off rejoining EU is not an option for anyone other than deranged Remainers even for debate for at least a generation which is generally regarded as between 20-30 years Without trying to reopen the whole debate, on the Remain Campaign side arrogance by remainers who expected the populace just to follow the instructions of the Establishment because they were told to conducted a crap campaign That was hardly the Leave Campaigns problem but different Leave Campaigners promised different things a lot of which was misguided but I believe they mostly thought was true. A Classic example of this was the oft used example of German Luxury Cars. To many Leavers it was inconceivable that EU would jeopardise selling into the UK if it would hurt their own Economy and expected life to proceed as before. Many Leavers to this day blame the ineptitude of May's negotiations as to why that outcome didn't manifest. I would consider myself a realistic Remainer that considers the debate over but find it incomprehensible that some of the policies being pursued counter productive in everyones interest. At some point someone has to be the adult in the room and exercise some Diplomacy for mutual interest. I'd add for Leavers to attribute reasons and second guess why people voted leave is foolish as people voted that way for many reasons although Polls suggest that buyers Remorse is in play with more people now regretting vote Leave. To the specific question of Channel Crossings A fact of Life of decisions made inevitably lead to the situation becoming worse. Not all the time but at Peak Periods and more of them We must accept as a Third Party Country that we no longer have any leverage to directly alter that situation Indirectly if much less traffic enters Calais and hurts their economy I could see a more positive reaction from the French Authorities Will the French Border Agents change work practices, very unlikely The average French worker receives 6 weeks MINIMUM annual leave and up to 10 weeks in some professions most of this is taken in July/August so during these months up to half the workforce will be absent, deal with it. In addition to 6/10 weeks Annual Leave there are 11 Public Holidays mostly occurring in May and December which are effectively shut down days. These are the realities of French work life balances and staff shortages are not contrived to piss off the Brits ... BUT if there were a more Entente Cordial relationship rather than both sides slagging each other off their MIGHT be a slightly better situation As I understand The Port of Dover has infrastructure issues. It was constructed to cater for Euro Tunnel Traffic with Free Movement of Goods and People. 60% of Exports from UK to EU pass through Dover a fact that Dominic Rabb as Brexit Secretary came to discover in November 2018 having been aided by Failing Grayling as Transport Secretary since Brexit Referendum until replaced in the Johnson Government by the equally inept Shapps. Ask yourself is it possible there was failure to plan adequately for Brexit by these 3 Amigos? The Port of Dover requested Funding to double the number of Control Stations manned by French Border Control from 6 to 12 Stations in preparation for Brexit The request was rejected and we have today the original 6, go figure. Thank you Wannabee. Incidentally which independent polls refer to buyer remorse? I think after any seismic event, such as Brexit, there may be people who question or reconsider past decisions. Personally I have not come across this in any significant numbers in respect of Brexit, despite being told so by Remainers. The point of my post really irrespective of the causes of the issue was.... what is the solution?....accept peak time queues and put up with it?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 25, 2022 9:49:57 GMT
BigJohn, I believe your asking a genuine question so I'll try and give you a genuine answer from my perspective some of which you may agree with First off rejoining EU is not an option for anyone other than deranged Remainers even for debate for at least a generation which is generally regarded as between 20-30 years Without trying to reopen the whole debate, on the Remain Campaign side arrogance by remainers who expected the populace just to follow the instructions of the Establishment because they were told to conducted a crap campaign That was hardly the Leave Campaigns problem but different Leave Campaigners promised different things a lot of which was misguided but I believe they mostly thought was true. A Classic example of this was the oft used example of German Luxury Cars. To many Leavers it was inconceivable that EU would jeopardise selling into the UK if it would hurt their own Economy and expected life to proceed as before. Many Leavers to this day blame the ineptitude of May's negotiations as to why that outcome didn't manifest. I would consider myself a realistic Remainer that considers the debate over but find it incomprehensible that some of the policies being pursued counter productive in everyones interest. At some point someone has to be the adult in the room and exercise some Diplomacy for mutual interest. I'd add for Leavers to attribute reasons and second guess why people voted leave is foolish as people voted that way for many reasons although Polls suggest that buyers Remorse is in play with more people now regretting vote Leave. To the specific question of Channel Crossings A fact of Life of decisions made inevitably lead to the situation becoming worse. Not all the time but at Peak Periods and more of them We must accept as a Third Party Country that we no longer have any leverage to directly alter that situation Indirectly if much less traffic enters Calais and hurts their economy I could see a more positive reaction from the French Authorities Will the French Border Agents change work practices, very unlikely The average French worker receives 6 weeks MINIMUM annual leave and up to 10 weeks in some professions most of this is taken in July/August so during these months up to half the workforce will be absent, deal with it. In addition to 6/10 weeks Annual Leave there are 11 Public Holidays mostly occurring in May and December which are effectively shut down days. These are the realities of French work life balances and staff shortages are not contrived to piss off the Brits ... BUT if there were a more Entente Cordial relationship rather than both sides slagging each other off their MIGHT be a slightly better situation As I understand The Port of Dover has infrastructure issues. It was constructed to cater for Euro Tunnel Traffic with Free Movement of Goods and People. 60% of Exports from UK to EU pass through Dover a fact that Dominic Rabb as Brexit Secretary came to discover in November 2018 having been aided by Failing Grayling as Transport Secretary since Brexit Referendum until replaced in the Johnson Government by the equally inept Shapps. Ask yourself is it possible there was failure to plan adequately for Brexit by these 3 Amigos? The Port of Dover requested Funding to double the number of Control Stations manned by French Border Control from 6 to 12 Stations in preparation for Brexit The request was rejected and we have today the original 6, go figure. Thank you Wannabee. Incidentally which independent polls refer to buyer remorse? I think after any seismic event, such as Brexit, there may be people who question or reconsider past decisions. Personally I have not come across this in any significant numbers in respect of Brexit, despite being told so by Remainers. The point of my post really irrespective of the causes of the issue was.... what is the solution?....accept peak time queues and put up with it? This gives a good indication of buyers' remorse. It's all the polls that have been carried out since the vote in June 2016. Time was always going to be necessary for people to see the balance of the realities of Brexit, and perhaps to get over their reluctance to accept that maybe, just maybe, it wasn't the right thing to have done. With the odd, small anomaly, the results of all that polling shows a direction of travel that has been pretty consistent and appears to be getting more apparent the further we get from the referendum and the clearer and more obvious the impacts become. whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/I know you'll say these polls don't mean anything, only one vote really mattered, that you don't believe they are representative, all the usual stuff you've said before, so let's spare ourselves that at least! But there you go, buyers' remorse.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 25, 2022 11:29:46 GMT
Good news.
I wonder what happened to fix the problem.
A) Brexit issues resolved
Or
B) Appropriate staffing on border controls
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jul 25, 2022 11:42:32 GMT
Can we make sure the French contingent face delays, lasting about a week, so they miss it 😄
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2022 11:50:23 GMT
Good news. I wonder what happened to fix the problem. A) Brexit issues resolved Or B) Appropriate staffing on border controls Sadly too late for Jacob, I heard they ended up eating pie ...
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 25, 2022 12:14:11 GMT
Brexit promises v reality. That is quite a funny video. But, also bollocks. Because the current problems are down to arsey French behaviour. And not for the first time. Care to put a date on this scene? The French asked our government if they could double the number of border points to check paperwork at Dover a couple of months ago and this was rejected by our government. The French are not bothered about helping us out because of our approach to brexit. The additional checks at the border are down to brexit. Brexit is the cause of the extra checks and increased delays which are exacerbated by our awful government’s approach to unilaterally rip up an international treaty they gladly entered into not long ago, rather than follow the treaty process if there are issues. I am sure the French could do more to help. I doubt they will unless we drop the N Ire protocol legislation.
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