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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 23, 2022 14:05:53 GMT
A similar thing could be said of leave voters. They blamed the EU for everything pre referendum and now won’t blame brexit for any of the bad things that happened since the vote and since we left. Some also seem to be blaming the EU for brexit and the impact which is laughable). I don’t bash the UK (I bash our government because it rightly should be bashed and I of course bash the people who voted for this government). On this thread I now highlight all the problems brexit has led to since which prove my pre referendum posts about the negative impacts of blindly voting for leaving the EU without a plan in place for what comes next, which i posted on this very thread time and again. Yes. You are exactly the sort of person I suspect the author of the above piece had in mind. The piece fits you like a glove. I don’t bash the UK though. I can’t read the whole article though so maybe it contradicts its opening later.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 23, 2022 14:08:51 GMT
And why do you think the French are in no mood to help the Brits at the moment? And no need for the casual racism. My wife and kids are French and doing nothing is certainly not what they do best. The French asked the UK government for double the number of posts to do the additional checks they needed a couple of months ago and our government rejected the request. Also, the Chief Exec of the Port of Dover and the union for immigration and borders and customs staff know more than you do and they both blame Brexit: Brexit means security checks taking longer, says port chief Doug Bannister, chief executive of the Port of Dover, has said that extra checks needed since Brexit were causing longer transaction times at border control, after French politician Pierre-Henri Dumont blamed Brexit for the disruption seen on Friday. Bannister told the Today programme: We are operating in a post-Brexit environment which does mean that passports need to be checked, they need to be stamped and indeed the capable people that do man the booths – police aux frontieres – they’re doing their job that they need to do now. He added that the port had “created more border capacity so that the overall throughput can be maintained”, and that their modelling had shown there will be some “very peak busy days during the summer season” but “for the most part we should be able to cope with the traffic”. Earlier, the ISU – the union for borders, immigration and customs staff – also said Brexit was to blame for additional checks. I will let the port of Dover off with this week as they did put things in place to deal with the expected peak, put please don’t put bannister on a plinth . The port is shockingly run in general. There is many questionable practices that his authority have brought about. But it’s simple facts the French have done very little this week , like they do in and around Calais , we paid for those fences , we pay for there ‘patrols’ at sea. They do little with the migrant issue . But we will no doubt agree to differ on that I think we do more on the issue in term of migrant crossings. What incentive after all, do the French have in stopping them? But the reason the French are less inclined to help us out is because of brexit. The reason it takes longer at border control now is because of brexit.
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Post by richie22 on Jul 23, 2022 15:47:38 GMT
I will let the port of Dover off with this week as they did put things in place to deal with the expected peak, put please don’t put bannister on a plinth . The port is shockingly run in general. There is many questionable practices that his authority have brought about. But it’s simple facts the French have done very little this week , like they do in and around Calais , we paid for those fences , we pay for there ‘patrols’ at sea. They do little with the migrant issue . But we will no doubt agree to differ on that I think we do more on the issue in term of migrant crossings. What incentive after all, do the French have in stopping them? But the reason the French are less inclined to help us out is because of brexit. The reason it takes longer at border control now is because of brexit. let’s agree to disagree, my shout is the French have for a while been obstructive, yours is a different view to that.. apologies for any offence caused with the reference to the French.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 23, 2022 23:30:34 GMT
I think we do more on the issue in term of migrant crossings. What incentive after all, do the French have in stopping them? But the reason the French are less inclined to help us out is because of brexit. The reason it takes longer at border control now is because of brexit. let’s agree to disagree, my shout is the French have for a while been obstructive, yours is a different view to that.. apologies for any offence caused with the reference to the French. My view is the French are not being helpful with the border because they have no incentive to do so and they feel they owe us no favours with the way we have approached brexit.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 24, 2022 0:01:31 GMT
I think we do more on the issue in term of migrant crossings. What incentive after all, do the French have in stopping them? But the reason the French are less inclined to help us out is because of brexit. The reason it takes longer at border control now is because of brexit. let’s agree to disagree, my shout is the French have for a while been obstructive, yours is a different view to that.. apologies for any offence caused with the reference to the French. We are now a 3rd Country outside the EU. Not sure what you were expecting?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 24, 2022 0:34:16 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 24, 2022 0:37:45 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 24, 2022 7:16:19 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 24, 2022 11:23:12 GMT
Waiting time down to an hour today, so we have had 2 days of delays on the busiest crossing days of the year when school summer holidays start. Next year people will make alternative arrangements, be they holiday makers or UK and French authorities and transport companies will avoid this week end. Maybe extra crossings from other ports for example. There were reports that tourists were exceptionally high this year because of missing out last year and 2020 due to pandemic restrictions. So normal service will resume next year, as we all adjust to life post Brexit.
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Post by 4372 on Jul 24, 2022 11:43:24 GMT
Waiting time down to an hour today, so we have had 2 days of delays on the busiest crossing days of the year when school summer holidays start. Next year people will make alternative arrangements, be they holiday makers or UK and French authorities and transport companies will avoid this week end. Maybe extra crossings from other ports for example. There were reports that tourists were exceptionally high this year because of missing out last year and 2020 due to pandemic restrictions. So normal service will resume next year, as we all adjust to life post Brexit. Time and time again you use the word "will". It's quite amazing how you know everything " will" work out for the best in the end. Dr Pangloss would be proud of you.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 24, 2022 11:43:57 GMT
Economic migrant dinghy problems. Check.
Champions League Final, rioting and ticketing issues. Check.
Port and passport inspection delays. Check
Just blame the the Brits none are issues to do with piss poor french administration.
Waiting for issues at the Rugby WC next year. That'll be everybody's fault bar the hosts.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 24, 2022 12:14:16 GMT
Waiting time down to an hour today, so we have had 2 days of delays on the busiest crossing days of the year when school summer holidays start. Next year people will make alternative arrangements, be they holiday makers or UK and French authorities and transport companies will avoid this week end. Maybe extra crossings from other ports for example. There were reports that tourists were exceptionally high this year because of missing out last year and 2020 due to pandemic restrictions. So normal service will resume next year, as we all adjust to life post Brexit. I hope so. But there is no question whatsoever that Brexit makes international travel to the EU harder, more expensive and more stressful. Even if it improves, it will not be as good as it was when we were in the EU or following their rules during the transition period.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 24, 2022 12:19:35 GMT
Economic migrant dinghy problems. Check. Champions League Final, rioting and ticketing issues. Check. Port and passport inspection delays. Check Just blame the the Brits none are issues to do with piss poor french administration. Waiting for issues at the Rugby WC next year. That'll be everybody's fault bar the hosts. The French have little incentive to be nice to us with our approach to Brexit. Until we start treating the EU as partners and friends, we cannot expect them to be more cooperative with the illegal channel crossings. We chose to have the greater levels of checks to enter the EU at the border so you cannot put the blame on that on French administration. Particularly when the French asked the UK government to double their number of border check points at Dover a few months ago and this was rejected by our government. Also Calais is vast in size compared with Dover. It can cope far better with the high volume on that side. But we don’t invest properly in infrastructure. The champions league final was terribly managed by the French and I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point. Also given the farce that is our Home Office in dealing with administration, we cannot really cast aspersions.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 24, 2022 12:30:56 GMT
Waiting time down to an hour today, so we have had 2 days of delays on the busiest crossing days of the year when school summer holidays start. Next year people will make alternative arrangements, be they holiday makers or UK and French authorities and transport companies will avoid this week end. Maybe extra crossings from other ports for example. There were reports that tourists were exceptionally high this year because of missing out last year and 2020 due to pandemic restrictions. So normal service will resume next year, as we all adjust to life post Brexit. Time and time again you use the word "will". It's quite amazing how you know everything " will" work out for the best in the end. Dr Pangloss would be proud of you. It will obviously take time to adjust to leaving the EU after 40+ years. Don't you remember the years it took to adjust to joining the EEC? The fishing deal is over 5 years, and the new agriculture act will take 7 years to phase out the aweful CAP. As I have said before how long will depend on how long people keep their "awkward hats", such as the French authorities. No sensible person expected a totally smooth changeover. It took New Zealand over a decade to adjust to the UK turning its back on them when the UK joined the EEC. We should be grateful for what has been achieved. For example, Liz Truss is possibly the second most hated politician on this MB after BoJo, but she got over 60 trade deals rolled over with improvements and promised improvements, which those opposed to Brexit could not be done because the UK is "too small" or it would take years to negotiate. The majority of exports go to non EU countries and have been unaffected by Brexit. It will obviously take time to negotiate new trade deals but not the decade + predicted by those opposed to Brexit. Their gloomy forcasts were based on how long the it takes the EU to negotiate deals, but the Commission has to consults 27 countries; the UK just negotiates for the UK.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2022 12:41:22 GMT
Economic migrant dinghy problems. Check. Champions League Final, rioting and ticketing issues. Check. Port and passport inspection delays. Check Just blame the the Brits none are issues to do with piss poor french administration. Waiting for issues at the Rugby WC next year. That'll be everybody's fault bar the hosts. The French have little incentive to be nice to us with our approach to Brexit. Until we start treating the EU as partners and friends, we cannot expect them to be more cooperative with the illegal channel crossings. We chose to have the greater levels of checks to enter the EU at the border so you cannot put the blame on that on French administration. Particularly when the French asked the UK government to double their number of border check points at Dover a few months ago and this was rejected by our government. Also Calais is vast in size compared with Dover. It can cope far better with the high volume on that side. But we don’t invest properly in infrastructure. The champions league final was terribly managed by the French and I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point. Also given the farce that is our Home Office in dealing with administration, we cannot really cast aspersions. Do the French need an incentive? Why not be nice anyway? It majes me question whether when we were members of their project whether they were true partners, or whether it was more about maintaining things for the French....ie being deputyhead to the Germans, to protect their interests and keeping the Brits in place, which isn't xenophobia, but simply questioning motives. The French always put their interests first and the two countries have always been suspicious of the motives of the other.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2022 12:44:25 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 24, 2022 13:00:14 GMT
Economic migrant dinghy problems. Check. Champions League Final, rioting and ticketing issues. Check. Port and passport inspection delays. Check Just blame the the Brits none are issues to do with piss poor french administration. Waiting for issues at the Rugby WC next year. That'll be everybody's fault bar the hosts. The French have little incentive to be nice to us with our approach to Brexit. Until we start treating the EU as partners and friends, we cannot expect them to be more cooperative with the illegal channel crossings. We chose to have the greater levels of checks to enter the EU at the border so you cannot put the blame on that on French administration. Particularly when the French asked the UK government to double their number of border check points at Dover a few months ago and this was rejected by our government. Also Calais is vast in size compared with Dover. It can cope far better with the high volume on that side. But we don’t invest properly in infrastructure. The champions league final was terribly managed by the French and I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point. Also given the farce that is our Home Office in dealing with administration, we cannot really cast aspersions. The EU showed their truest colours during the Covid vaccine contract fiasco. They'll show it again during the gas panic this coming winter.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 24, 2022 13:02:43 GMT
The French have little incentive to be nice to us with our approach to Brexit. Until we start treating the EU as partners and friends, we cannot expect them to be more cooperative with the illegal channel crossings. We chose to have the greater levels of checks to enter the EU at the border so you cannot put the blame on that on French administration. Particularly when the French asked the UK government to double their number of border check points at Dover a few months ago and this was rejected by our government. Also Calais is vast in size compared with Dover. It can cope far better with the high volume on that side. But we don’t invest properly in infrastructure. The champions league final was terribly managed by the French and I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point. Also given the farce that is our Home Office in dealing with administration, we cannot really cast aspersions. Do the French need an incentive? Why not be nice anyway? It majes me question whether when we were members of their project whether they were true partners, or whether it was more about maintaining things for the French....ie being deputyhead to the Germans, to protect their interests and keeping the Brits in place, which isn't xenophobia, but simply questioning motives. The French always put their interests first and the two countries have always been suspicious of the motives of the other. We were a cheque book, particularly with regard to CAP.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jul 24, 2022 13:13:22 GMT
Waiting time down to an hour today, so we have had 2 days of delays on the busiest crossing days of the year when school summer holidays start. Next year people will make alternative arrangements, be they holiday makers or UK and French authorities and transport companies will avoid this week end. Maybe extra crossings from other ports for example. There were reports that tourists were exceptionally high this year because of missing out last year and 2020 due to pandemic restrictions. So normal service will resume next year, as we all adjust to life post Brexit. I hope so. But there is no question whatsoever that Brexit makes international travel to the EU harder, more expensive and more stressful. Even if it improves, it will not be as good as it was when we were in the EU or following their rules during the transition period. If the biometric checks are introduced at the end of September there is the potential for things to get significantly worse.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 24, 2022 13:41:59 GMT
The French have little incentive to be nice to us with our approach to Brexit. Until we start treating the EU as partners and friends, we cannot expect them to be more cooperative with the illegal channel crossings. We chose to have the greater levels of checks to enter the EU at the border so you cannot put the blame on that on French administration. Particularly when the French asked the UK government to double their number of border check points at Dover a few months ago and this was rejected by our government. Also Calais is vast in size compared with Dover. It can cope far better with the high volume on that side. But we don’t invest properly in infrastructure. The champions league final was terribly managed by the French and I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point. Also given the farce that is our Home Office in dealing with administration, we cannot really cast aspersions. The EU showed their truest colours during the Covid vaccine contract fiasco. They'll show it again during the gas panic this coming winter. It was a German company that invented the first vaccine. Many member states vaccinated faster than we did, even though we started before them and many have a higher percentage vaccinated than we do. They have distributed billions of vaccines around the world. So I am not sure what you mean by “showed their truest colours”. The gas panic will be a gas shortage when Putin turns the taps off. They should make provisions for it now which I understand they are starting to do. But remember, each member state’s energy policy is not dictated by EU rules so I am not quite sure what you are getting at by somehow blaming the EU for each member states energy policy.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 24, 2022 13:42:49 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 24, 2022 13:46:58 GMT
The French have little incentive to be nice to us with our approach to Brexit. Until we start treating the EU as partners and friends, we cannot expect them to be more cooperative with the illegal channel crossings. We chose to have the greater levels of checks to enter the EU at the border so you cannot put the blame on that on French administration. Particularly when the French asked the UK government to double their number of border check points at Dover a few months ago and this was rejected by our government. Also Calais is vast in size compared with Dover. It can cope far better with the high volume on that side. But we don’t invest properly in infrastructure. The champions league final was terribly managed by the French and I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point. Also given the farce that is our Home Office in dealing with administration, we cannot really cast aspersions. Do the French need an incentive? Why not be nice anyway? It majes me question whether when we were members of their project whether they were true partners, or whether it was more about maintaining things for the French....ie being deputyhead to the Germans, to protect their interests and keeping the Brits in place, which isn't xenophobia, but simply questioning motives. The French always put their interests first and the two countries have always been suspicious of the motives of the other. They may ask why we are breaching an international treaty we suggested, championed and signed up to so recently after we agreed it. Perhaps if we stop treating them as opponents to the NIre protocol and brexit treaty, they may then have some more goodwill towards us on other matters. We wanted to cut ties with them. We chose to do so and we could have done it in a friendly and sensible way. Instead we have been as aggressive as possible. Now it comes back to hurt us in the many way in which our nation is impacted by what happens in our neighbouring nations.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2022 13:54:51 GMT
Do the French need an incentive? Why not be nice anyway? It majes me question whether when we were members of their project whether they were true partners, or whether it was more about maintaining things for the French....ie being deputyhead to the Germans, to protect their interests and keeping the Brits in place, which isn't xenophobia, but simply questioning motives. The French always put their interests first and the two countries have always been suspicious of the motives of the other. They may ask why we are breaching an international treaty we suggested, championed and signed up to so recently after we agreed it. Perhaps if we stop treating them as opponents to the NIre protocol and brexit treaty, they may then have some more goodwill towards us on other matters. We wanted to cut ties with them. We chose to do so and we could have done it in a friendly and sensible way. Instead we have been as aggressive as possible. Now it comes back to hurt us in the many way in which our nation is impacted by what happens in our neighbouring nations. Self-hating Remainers are blind to the EU's flaws
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 24, 2022 13:57:30 GMT
They may ask why we are breaching an international treaty we suggested, championed and signed up to so recently after we agreed it. Perhaps if we stop treating them as opponents to the NIre protocol and brexit treaty, they may then have some more goodwill towards us on other matters. We wanted to cut ties with them. We chose to do so and we could have done it in a friendly and sensible way. Instead we have been as aggressive as possible. Now it comes back to hurt us in the many way in which our nation is impacted by what happens in our neighbouring nations. Self-hating Remainers are blind to the EU's flawsI’m not bashing the UK. I’m bashing our government for their terrible approach to brexit. Can’t you see the difference? You can love your country but hate your current government. That’s me.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 24, 2022 13:58:10 GMT
Do the French need an incentive? Why not be nice anyway? It majes me question whether when we were members of their project whether they were true partners, or whether it was more about maintaining things for the French....ie being deputyhead to the Germans, to protect their interests and keeping the Brits in place, which isn't xenophobia, but simply questioning motives. The French always put their interests first and the two countries have always been suspicious of the motives of the other. They may ask why we are breaching an international treaty we suggested, championed and signed up to so recently after we agreed it. Perhaps if we stop treating them as opponents to the NIre protocol and brexit treaty, they may then have some more goodwill towards us on other matters. We wanted to cut ties with them. We chose to do so and we could have done it in a friendly and sensible way. Instead we have been as aggressive as possible. Now it comes back to hurt us in the many way in which our nation is impacted by what happens in our neighbouring nations. I don't think the French would do us any favours , whatever the circumstances..... Inside the EU or outside
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 24, 2022 14:07:37 GMT
I’m not bashing the UK. I’m bashing our government for their terrible approach to brexit. Can’t you see the difference? You can love your country but hate your current government. That’s me. That’s not the point. The point is you completely exonerate the EU for their conduct. And that is risible.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 24, 2022 14:14:37 GMT
Do the French need an incentive? Why not be nice anyway? It majes me question whether when we were members of their project whether they were true partners, or whether it was more about maintaining things for the French....ie being deputyhead to the Germans, to protect their interests and keeping the Brits in place, which isn't xenophobia, but simply questioning motives. The French always put their interests first and the two countries have always been suspicious of the motives of the other. They may ask why we are breaching an international treaty we suggested, championed and signed up to so recently after we agreed it. Perhaps if we stop treating them as opponents to the NIre protocol and brexit treaty, they may then have some more goodwill towards us on other matters. We wanted to cut ties with them. We chose to do so and we could have done it in a friendly and sensible way. Instead we have been as aggressive as possible. Now it comes back to hurt us in the many way in which our nation is impacted by what happens in our neighbouring nations. The UK is a net energy importer and is running a record trade deficit due to the increased cost of energy imports. That cost is further increased by the increased value of the $ due to the war in Ukraine. Nevertheless the UK has been exporting record amounts of gas to the EU since March to keep them going and the UK has been exporting electricity to France to keep them going while they are maintaining half their aging nuclear power stations that are shut down for essential maintenance. When little Jersey stops issuing fishing licences to French fishermen who can't prove they have always fished in Jersey waters, the French bullies threaten to shut off their power. The Portuguese and Spanish have opened fast electronic passport lanes for British tourists and the Greeks have relaxed conditions for British bands to work in Greece. There is no reason why mutually beneficial agreements on all manner of matters could not be entered into, if the will is there. The UK have not "cut ties" with France, we have decided not to be a member of a customs union and be subject to laws made in Brussels and Strasbourg, and part of an organization committed to ever closer union. The UK is providing the EU with gas and electricity because it would foolish to damage the EU economy any further than it already is by the war in Ukraine and the EU's loss of the UK as a member. The UK is still highly dependant on the EU for exports and even more so imports, getting a third of our food from the EU. So it is in our interests to look after them and help them out.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 24, 2022 14:15:03 GMT
They may ask why we are breaching an international treaty we suggested, championed and signed up to so recently after we agreed it. Perhaps if we stop treating them as opponents to the NIre protocol and brexit treaty, they may then have some more goodwill towards us on other matters. We wanted to cut ties with them. We chose to do so and we could have done it in a friendly and sensible way. Instead we have been as aggressive as possible. Now it comes back to hurt us in the many way in which our nation is impacted by what happens in our neighbouring nations. I don't think the French would do us any favours , whatever the circumstances..... Inside the EU or outside Maybe. Maybe not. But they are more likely to if we start treating the brexit deal with the respect an international treaty deserves.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 24, 2022 14:16:41 GMT
I’m not bashing the UK. I’m bashing our government for their terrible approach to brexit. Can’t you see the difference? You can love your country but hate your current government. That’s me. That’s not the point. The point is you completely exonerate the EU for their conduct. And that is risible. No i have not. You will quote me to prove me wrong if I have. When it comes to brexit, we are acting like spoilt idiots. We can’t have our cake and eat it.
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Post by yeokel on Jul 24, 2022 14:22:43 GMT
Economic migrant dinghy problems. Check. Champions League Final, rioting and ticketing issues. Check. Port and passport inspection delays. Check Just blame the the Brits none are issues to do with piss poor french administration. Waiting for issues at the Rugby WC next year. That'll be everybody's fault bar the hosts. Wait until the Paris Olympics which are already in trouble!
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