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Post by yeswilko on Jul 1, 2021 19:12:09 GMT
Does anyone? The point is it doesn't say much for the 'sunlit uplands' if you have to bribe businesses to stay in the country, does it? Why it’s worked for the French and the rest of Europe for years And the Irish just do it by tax rates If you can't see how ridiculous your comment is there's no hope for you.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 1, 2021 19:14:07 GMT
Why it’s worked for the French and the rest of Europe for years And the Irish just do it by tax rates If you can't see how ridiculous your comment is there's no hope for you. As a master of ridiculous posts I must bow to your judgement
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Post by yeswilko on Jul 1, 2021 19:17:37 GMT
If you can't see how ridiculous your comment is there's no hope for you. As a master of ridiculous posts I must bow to your judgement Nice one. Now think about if you've been conned me owd pigeon botherer
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Post by yeswilko on Jul 1, 2021 19:21:00 GMT
If you can't see how ridiculous your comment is there's no hope for you. As a master of ridiculous posts I must bow to your judgement Obviously you've never actually checked whether the things you've read in the British press are true. You're not alone tbf. Wasn't Boris himself behind the bendy banana bollocks?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 1, 2021 19:33:09 GMT
As a master of ridiculous posts I must bow to your judgement Obviously you've never actually checked whether the things you've read in the British press are true. You're not alone tbf. Wasn't Boris himself behind the bendy banana bollocks? Anyone who believed in the straight banana row was a idiot On the other point in 2008 one of the largest employers in the city of my birth up sticks and removed its entire refrigeration production to Poland Are you saying they built a brand new factory trained all that new staff and covered the cost of winding down production in this country Without any financial incentives from Poland and the European Union
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 1, 2021 20:28:58 GMT
Do you have a problem with British money being spent creating British jobs Does anyone? The point is it doesn't say much for the 'sunlit uplands' if you have to bribe businesses to stay in the country, does it? For the past half century, nations have been competing to attract foreign investment. The investing company goes to wherever the best terms are offered, in terms of financial assistance to build, tax breaks on things such as rates, etc. The UK has seen companies like Ford, Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Samsung, Panasonic, Sony, Tata, the list is endless. The sad thing is as soon as the financial assistance stops, many of those companies have up sticks and moved to a country that offers assistance. Ireland have been very successful attracting head offices of international corporations by having very low corporation tax, but it looks like the EU are about to put a stop to that. The corporate interests of large German and French business are clearly leaning on Brussels.* As I have posted repeatedly on here local companies have been treated far more favourably, often by back door measures, in Germany and France than in the UK. Yes, the UK could have done the same to protect our industry, but successive governments of both Tory and Labour have been quite prepared to see British manufacturing move to the far East and into mainland Europe. Fortunately some like Cadbury are moving back. Hopefully this might happen with ceramics. I suspect the penny has dropped with the government and they are now prepared to do whatever is necessary to attract investment.^ Exactly what Merkel and Co have been worried about. They don't want a "giant Singapore" on their doorstep. The EU is clearly not prepared to grant financial equivalence, just as they haven't done to Switzerland, without exerting controls over our finance industry. So it appears we will go our separate ways and the EU looks after itself financially (with the assistance of New York who they have granted financial equivalence to), while the UK and Switzerland focus on the rest of Europe, near East, Middle East, Africa, etc. We have started a digital trade deal with Singapore in the last 24 hours.# Having fallen out with Greenland (fishing), Norway (fishing), UK (almost everything!), Switzerland (closer union), China (human rights), Russia (human rights), today I see the EU is falling out with India over vaccine. www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/accept-our-vaccines-or-face-consequences-india-warns-eu-b1876201.htmlThings are going to be interesting in the post pandemic age. ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/rY_vRFLA3mqqdMbEG4cF.gif) *https://www.alter-eu.org/corporate-capture-in-europe-when-big-business-dominates-policy-making-and-threatens-our-right ^ inews.co.uk/news/coventry-on-course-to-win-government-backing-for-uks-next-battery-gigafactory-1082308# digit.fyi/uk-and-singapore-digital-trade-agreement/
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Post by yeswilko on Jul 1, 2021 20:44:28 GMT
Obviously you've never actually checked whether the things you've read in the British press are true. You're not alone tbf. Wasn't Boris himself behind the bendy banana bollocks? Anyone who believed in the straight banana row was a idiot On the other point in 2008 one of the largest employers in the city of my birth up sticks and removed its entire refrigeration production to Poland Are you saying they built a brand new factory trained all that new staff and covered the cost of winding down production in this country Without any financial incentives from Poland and the European Union Are you blind to another reason ?
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jul 1, 2021 21:27:52 GMT
Clearly nowt stopping us then, was there? Yes are unswerving Britishness and wanting to not only play by the rules but also the spirit The British taxpayer gave Nissan £800 million between 1984 and 2017 so let's not start rewriting history pretending the latest grant is something only possible since Brexit.
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 1, 2021 21:41:09 GMT
Yes are unswerving Britishness and wanting to not only play by the rules but also the spirit The British taxpayer gave Nissan £800 million between 1984 and 2017 so let's not start rewriting history pretending the latest grant is something only possible since Brexit. Loose change, total U.K. payments to the EU budget since 1973 add up to approximately £215 billion.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jul 1, 2021 21:52:43 GMT
The British taxpayer gave Nissan £800 million between 1984 and 2017 so let's not start rewriting history pretending the latest grant is something only possible since Brexit. Loose change, total U.K. payments to the EU budget since 1973 add up to approximately £215 billion. Whataboutery in overdrive.
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 1, 2021 22:19:18 GMT
Loose change, total U.K. payments to the EU budget since 1973 add up to approximately £215 billion. Whataboutery in overdrive. I'm just a liitle surprised that a traditional labour leaning voter appears disappointed that a traditional Labour stronghold like Sunderland has secured such a massive industrial contract that will secure thousands of jobs in the area. Strange times we're living in...
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jul 1, 2021 22:46:37 GMT
Whataboutery in overdrive. I'm just a liitle surprised that a traditional labour leaning voter appears disappointed that a traditional Labour stronghold like Sunderland has secured such a massive industrial contract that will secure thousands of jobs in the area. Strange times we're living in... Where have I said anything suggesting disappointment about the Nissan contract? A poster suggested that state aid was something we didn't do while in the EU. I pointed out that this was not the case. You then came in with some irrelevant point trying to compare state aid to one company with 40 years of contributions to the EU budget. And so that means I am disappointed with the contract ? Go back to December last year and you will find me posting about the importance of a trade deal to support the car industry. Seems to me you're just a Brexiteer desperate to suggest remainers want the car industry to fail just so you can attach a label. Well if it makes you feel better go right ahead but next week I will be working again on helping my employer move closer to gaining the quality standard accreditation required to supply into the automotive sector.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 1, 2021 23:05:23 GMT
Whataboutery in overdrive. I'm just a liitle surprised that a traditional labour leaning voter appears disappointed that a traditional Labour stronghold like Sunderland has secured such a massive industrial contract that will secure thousands of jobs in the area.Strange times we're living in... The Nissan supply chain is global. The Qashqai has Bridgestone tyres which I believe are Japanese for example. A car comprises of about 10,000 parts. As posted previously above I believe the expansion of Nissan will help keep the steel industry going which is in a bad state. Apart from steel, there is glass, plastics, aluminium, rubber, paint, IT equipment, etc The West Midlands will be a major source of supply to Nissan for parts. There will be a large number of people employed in logistics supplying the works from all over the globe. It is a condition of the UK - EU trade agreement that an increasing amount of any product, such as a car, must comprise of parts made in the UK/EU (i.e. indigenous to Europe). This means that Nissan may have to change some of their present suppliers from outside Europe to inside the UK and EU, such as Qashqai tyres to avoid tariffs, thereby increasing jobs in UK and EU. Hence the new battery plant being announced this week for the Leaf. The other important aspect of this announcement is that it will attract other companies to invest in the UK. For example, this announcement was made yesterday of an California company investing in the area. bdaily.co.uk/articles/2021/06/30/north-east-leads-electric-vehicle-revolution-as-us-firm-acquires-gateshead-cleantech?utm_source=bulletin&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-07-01-north-east&utm_content=readmore&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Bulletin%20for%20North%20East%202021-07-01%20080449&utm_content=Bulletin%20for%20North%20East%202021-07-01%20080449+CID_c6d9dad3c3215196e45a7884aaf56c08&utm_source=CampaignMonitor&utm_term=Read%20more California's economy is the 5th biggest in the world, larger than the UK or India.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 6:59:59 GMT
Clearly nowt stopping us then, was there? Yes are unswerving Britishness and wanting to not only play by the rules but also the spirit What, like the government's been doing over Covid contracts and all the "do as we say not as we do" stuff?! Majors government was just the same. I assume you were joking, waga, nobody is that naive surely!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 7:01:53 GMT
Interesting court case brewing with British Sugar suing Liz Truss and the govt over state subsidies for Tate and Lyle.
I imagine some automotive companies will be watching that closely with Nissan's sweetener in mind...
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 2, 2021 7:25:05 GMT
Interesting court case brewing with British Sugar suing Liz Truss and the govt over state subsidies for Tate and Lyle. I imagine some automotive companies will be watching that closely with Nissan's sweetener in mind... That is very interesting and a little bizarre. British Sugar seems to complaining that not charging import tariffs amounts to subsidising imports.. Echos of Tory grandees and corn laws here. Funny how modern day Tories are now in the role of the liberal repealers of yesteryear on the side of free trade as opposed to protectionism.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 2, 2021 7:35:43 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 2, 2021 7:52:54 GMT
Interesting court case brewing with British Sugar suing Liz Truss and the govt over state subsidies for Tate and Lyle. I imagine some automotive companies will be watching that closely with Nissan's sweetener in mind... The sugar issues have been going on since the UK joined the EEC in the 70s. Prior to joining Europe the UK had two main sectors: imported sugar from the West Indies which was primarily Tate and Lyle (Liverpool) and home grown sugar beet which supplied British Sugar mainly in East Anglia. On joining the EEC imports were restricted and taxed and there were beet growing quotas. The West Indies found they could make more money selling to North America and switched their supply. That left the UK in a sugar deficit and panic buying set in. Eventually quotas on sugar were lifted and we became more self sufficient. However: www.dw.com/en/oxfam-eu-sugar-subsidies-starve-the-poor/a-1169244#:~:text=EU%20taxpayers%20shell%20out%20%E2%82%AC819%20million%20%28%24976%20million%29,market%2C%20Oxfam%20wrote%20in%20a%20study%20released%20Wednesday. trade.ec.europa.eu/wtodispute/show.cfm?id=173&code=2The EU started over producing sugar and dumping it n the world market, damaging third world farmers. A few years ago the EU started to remove the sugar subsidy: www.neweurope.eu/article/eu-ends-sugar-subsidies/Now we have left the EU we seem to be reversing the situation of the 70s. Personally I think we should buy more sugar from the third world and switch our sugar production to other crops like vegetables, salad food, cereals, etc. When I say "we" I mean Europe as a whole.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 2, 2021 8:03:40 GMT
Interesting court case brewing with British Sugar suing Liz Truss and the govt over state subsidies for Tate and Lyle. I imagine some automotive companies will be watching that closely with Nissan's sweetener in mind... The sugar issues have been going on since the UK joined the EEC in the 70s. Prior to joining Europe the UK had two main sectors: imported sugar from the West Indies which was primarily Tate and Lyle (Liverpool) and home grown sugar beet which supplied British Sugar mainly in East Anglia. On joining the EEC imports were restricted and taxed and there were beet growing quotas. The West Indies found they could make more money selling to North America and switched their supply. That left the UK in a sugar deficit and panic buying set in. Eventually quotas on sugar were lifted and we became more self sufficient. However: www.dw.com/en/oxfam-eu-sugar-subsidies-starve-the-poor/a-1169244#:~:text=EU%20taxpayers%20shell%20out%20%E2%82%AC819%20million%20%28%24976%20million%29,market%2C%20Oxfam%20wrote%20in%20a%20study%20released%20Wednesday. trade.ec.europa.eu/wtodispute/show.cfm?id=173&code=2The EU started over producing sugar and dumping it n the world market, damaging third world farmers. A few years ago the EU started to remove the sugar subsidy: www.neweurope.eu/article/eu-ends-sugar-subsidies/Now we have left the EU we seem to be reversing the situation of the 70s. Personally I think we should buy more sugar from the third world and switch our sugar production to other crops like vegetables, salad food, cereals, etc. When I say "we" I mean Europe as a whole. Good research fella. It basically says the EU ran a protectionist racket on food production for many years, known as the Common Agricultural Policy, which subsidised food production in Europe to keep farmers rich, prices high and caused huge harm in the third world when excess product was dumped on global markets. Gradually the EU is rowing back from this, which is good news. But the culture of protectionism and the use of tariffs and subsidies is so deeply embedded in our culture some folk are always going to complain as we, quite rightly, return to the world of free trade.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 16:18:08 GMT
I see Sunak has given up on financial equivalence with the EU and has signalled a bonfire of regulation to make trading with China significantly more attractive and easier.
Deregulation of the financial sector, following the absence of financial services from the Brexit deal. What could possibly go wrong?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 2, 2021 17:03:19 GMT
I see Sunak has given up on financial equivalence with the EU and has signalled a bonfire of regulation to make trading with China significantly more attractive and easier. Deregulation of the financial sector, following the absence of financial services from the Brexit deal. What could possibly go wrong? He could always ask the last labour prime minster for advice about the pitfalls
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 18:31:39 GMT
I see Sunak has given up on financial equivalence with the EU and has signalled a bonfire of regulation to make trading with China significantly more attractive and easier. Deregulation of the financial sector, following the absence of financial services from the Brexit deal. What could possibly go wrong? He could always ask the last labour prime minster for advice about the pitfalls Indeed so. And that advice would hopefully say "remember that the Tories at the time argued for even less regulation of the financial sector! Look how much worse that would've turned out, and don't listen to anyone who says it'll all be fine, just leave the markets alone...!"
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Post by neworleanstokie on Jul 2, 2021 19:11:11 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 2, 2021 20:09:56 GMT
I see Sunak has given up on financial equivalence with the EU and has signalled a bonfire of regulation to make trading with China significantly more attractive and easier. Deregulation of the financial sector, following the absence of financial services from the Brexit deal. What could possibly go wrong? Yet another prediction of doom and disaster from you. Project fear is still alive. You are in good company, remember these: EU referendum: Brexit 'would spark year-long recession' - Treasury www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564We can expect a rise in unemployment, at least in the short term www.theguardian.com/careers/2016/jun/20/leave-or-remain-the-impact-brexit-would-have-on-uk-jobsBritain to enter recession with 500,000 UK jobs lost if it left EU, new Treasury analysis shows (Archived) www.gov.uk/government/news/britain-to-enter-recession-with-500000-uk-jobs-lost-if-it-left-eu-new-treasury-analysis-showsHouse prices could fall by 18% if Britain quits EU, says George Osborne www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/20/eu-referendum-george-osborne-house-prices-brexitBrexit could lead to recession, says Bank of England www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/12/bank-of-england-keeps-interest-rates-on-hold-as-brexit-fears-biteNissan factory WILL close after Brexit, says Pro-European campaigner www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/nissan-factory-close-after-brexit-14531837_________________ When British voters decided in July 2016 to leave the European Union, virtually every governmental economic unit, bank, and private forecast predicted a disaster for the UK. The reality has been very different. The number of people working in the UK stood at a record high, pre pandemic. New orders for manufactures are at the highest level in a generation. Employers are struggling to find enough staff. Equity investments are at record highs. Housing prices are at record highs. Foreign investment is at an all-time high. Since the vote the establishment and remainers have done everything they can think of the undermine the country's decision, and continue to search to find a reason for Brexit to be wrong. Today employment is higher than at the time of the referendum and total exports are higher than at the time of the referendum.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 2, 2021 20:39:51 GMT
In some ways, nowt to do with Brexit.
But , some thoughts.
I've said on other threads the technological revolution w in which we are still on the middle of will prove to be as big as the Industrial revolution. It has changed the world, and enabled globalisation, the global world.
A rapidly changing world.
Some thoughts.
The world's resources are finite, the environment is increasingly going bto become a major issue.
If anything the challenge is NOT to have great " trade deals", in my opinion the challenge is to become self sufficient as far as possible. It might be to recognise that culture, lifestyle and a peaceful, fair way of life is a more important goal than to " trade more, consume more"., Possibly , shock and horror, to cope with less. Perhaps the good times don't last for ever....there have been Roman Empires, Greek Empires etc ...and there has never been a time of such rapid change for humans as present.
It may be in the medium term the challenge is not to gain more, cindume more, but to achieve peace and happiness within our means, Self determination and democracy are still important and they should be devolved as near to ordinary people as possible.
In some ways we are in the post Industrial age, in the West. China and developing nations are in a different situation.
A bit more specifically on Brexit....the great things about the countries of Europe is their diversity, culture and history. The Germans are not the same as the French, Greeks, or Latvians. Very different concerns and history. The EU did once try to actively promote a " European identity ".....for me , completely misunderstood the soul of people identity, ancestors, history , what is important to them , history and culture.....which does not mean that the nations cannot cooperate....and K understand the argument" you can still be part of the EU and retain individual national identity "....J understand it , but don't agree with it , when you examine in reality what the centralist, dictatorial, top down, anti democratic EU is trying to do. It is not about trade. Read the treaties. Political and economic union.
The UK has never wholeheartedly embraced the EU. Being an island in particular our history is very different from that of mainland Europe.
For some reason the Euro fanatics in the UK have an irrational emotional attachment to a fantasy EU, designed for Germany to dominate Europe , but also to give some power and influence to France, who would be floundering for importance without the EU....and of course it gives some individual people / polticians from Belgium and Luxembourg an opportunity to assume power beyond their wildest dreams......and they certainly have not got the UK's interests at heart.
I love Countries such as Germany, Poland and Italy by the way. Germany are probably closet to the UK in attitude, outlook and approach of all the European countries and will deservedly do well, with or without the EU. Much can be learned from the Italians about family values and the joys and pleasures of life.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 2, 2021 20:42:00 GMT
JPMorgan have 19,000 employees in the UK based in London, Glasgow, Edinburgh, and Bournemouth, where they are the biggest employer in the county. They have decided to move a few hundred* (read the link), to Paris to be in the Eurozone as the EU refuses to allow London to trade in Euroshares, and will not grant equivalence to London without setting regulations, just as they will not give equivalence to Switzerland. * I have heard that many employees are refusing to be transferred. London and Zurich are major world centres for finance. London is almost as large as the whole of the EU economic centres combined. Incidentally JPM rapidly terminated employees working from home when lockdown lifted and insisted they report to work. www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/04/28/jp-morgan-requires-employees-to-return-to-their-offices-by-july-striking-a-blow-to-the-remote-work-trend/
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 2, 2021 20:51:31 GMT
In some ways, nowt to do with Brexit. But , some thoughts. I've said on other threads the technological revolution w in which we are still on the middle of will prove to be as big as the Industrial revolution. It has changed the world, and enabled globalisation, the global world. A rapidly changing world. Some thoughts. The world's resources are finite, the environment is increasingly going bto become a major issue. If anything the challenge is NOT to have great " trade deals", in my opinion the challenge is to become self sufficient as far as possible. It might be to recognise that culture, lifestyle and a peaceful, fair way of life is a more important goal than to " trade more, consume more"., Possibly , shock and horror, to cope with less. Perhaps the good times don't last for ever....there have been Roman Empires, Greek Empires etc ...and there has never been a time of such rapid change for humans as present. It may be in the medium term the challenge is not to gain more, cindume more, but to achieve peace and happiness within our means, Self determination and democracy are still important and they should be devolved as near to ordinary people as possible. In some ways we are in the post Industrial age, in the West. China and developing nations are in a different situation. A bit more specifically on Brexit....the great things about the countries of Europe is their diversity, culture and history. The Germans are not the same as the French, Greeks, or Latvians. Very different concerns and history. The EU did once try to actively promote a " European identity ".....for me , completely misunderstood the soul of people identity, ancestors, history , what is important to them , history and culture.....which does not mean that the nations cannot cooperate....and K understand the argument" you can still be part of the EU and retain individual national identity "....J understand it , but don't agree with it , when you examine in reality what the centralist, dictatorial, top down, anti democratic EU is trying to do. It is not about trade. Read the treaties. Political and economic union. The UK has never wholeheartedly embraced the EU. Being an island in particular our history is very different from that of mainland Europe. For some reason the Euro fanatics in the UK have an irrational emotional attachment to a fantasy EU, designed for Germany to dominate Europe , but also to give some power and influence to France, who would be floundering for importance without the EU....and of course it gives some individual people / polticians from Belgium and Luxembourg an opportunity to assume power beyond their wildest dreams......and they certainly have not got the UK's interests at heart. I love Countries such as Germany, Poland and Italy by the way. Germany are probably closet to the UK in attitude, outlook and approach of all the European countries and will deservedly do well, with or without the EU. Much can be learned from the Italians about family values and the joys and pleasures of life. I agree with your comments about being self sufficient. Over the years through a combination of government policy, laziness, wanting things cheaply amongst others, we seem to have lost our ability to look out for ourselves. This was evident in some of the PPE issues at the onset of COVID with it being manufactured abroad and more recently the veiled threats about power supply shortages from other countries supplying us. Governments first duty is the provision of food, shelter and safety to its people and I hope someone takes a good look at what are the cornerstones of us being able to exist without reliance on others and they invest or legislate accordingly. We should not be relying on other countries to provide the basics for us.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 2, 2021 21:08:00 GMT
I see Sunak has given up on financial equivalence with the EU and has signalled a bonfire of regulation to make trading with China significantly more attractive and easier. Deregulation of the financial sector, following the absence of financial services from the Brexit deal. What could possibly go wrong? Yet another prediction of doom and disaster from you. Project fear is still alive. You are in good company, remember these: EU referendum: Brexit 'would spark year-long recession' - Treasury www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564We can expect a rise in unemployment, at least in the short term www.theguardian.com/careers/2016/jun/20/leave-or-remain-the-impact-brexit-would-have-on-uk-jobsBritain to enter recession with 500,000 UK jobs lost if it left EU, new Treasury analysis shows (Archived) www.gov.uk/government/news/britain-to-enter-recession-with-500000-uk-jobs-lost-if-it-left-eu-new-treasury-analysis-showsHouse prices could fall by 18% if Britain quits EU, says George Osborne www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/20/eu-referendum-george-osborne-house-prices-brexitBrexit could lead to recession, says Bank of England www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/12/bank-of-england-keeps-interest-rates-on-hold-as-brexit-fears-biteNissan factory WILL close after Brexit, says Pro-European campaigner www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/nissan-factory-close-after-brexit-14531837_________________ When British voters decided in July 2016 to leave the European Union, virtually every governmental economic unit, bank, and private forecast predicted a disaster for the UK. The reality has been very different. The number of people working in the UK stood at a record high, pre pandemic. New orders for manufactures are at the highest level in a generation. Employers are struggling to find enough staff. Equity investments are at record highs. Housing prices are at record highs. Foreign investment is at an all-time high. Since the vote the establishment and remainers have done everything they can think of the undermine the country's decision, and continue to search to find a reason for Brexit to be wrong. Today employment is higher than at the time of the referendum and total exports are higher than at the time of the referendum. Try this. It addresses most of the points you raise and is a lot more balanced than your sunlit uplands! www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p09gr4v3/ros-atkins-on-brexit-promises
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 2, 2021 22:56:44 GMT
Yet another prediction of doom and disaster from you. Project fear is still alive. You are in good company, remember these: EU referendum: Brexit 'would spark year-long recession' - Treasury www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564We can expect a rise in unemployment, at least in the short term www.theguardian.com/careers/2016/jun/20/leave-or-remain-the-impact-brexit-would-have-on-uk-jobsBritain to enter recession with 500,000 UK jobs lost if it left EU, new Treasury analysis shows (Archived) www.gov.uk/government/news/britain-to-enter-recession-with-500000-uk-jobs-lost-if-it-left-eu-new-treasury-analysis-showsHouse prices could fall by 18% if Britain quits EU, says George Osborne www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/20/eu-referendum-george-osborne-house-prices-brexitBrexit could lead to recession, says Bank of England www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/12/bank-of-england-keeps-interest-rates-on-hold-as-brexit-fears-biteNissan factory WILL close after Brexit, says Pro-European campaigner www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/nissan-factory-close-after-brexit-14531837_________________ When British voters decided in July 2016 to leave the European Union, virtually every governmental economic unit, bank, and private forecast predicted a disaster for the UK. The reality has been very different. The number of people working in the UK stood at a record high, pre pandemic. New orders for manufactures are at the highest level in a generation. Employers are struggling to find enough staff. Equity investments are at record highs. Housing prices are at record highs. Foreign investment is at an all-time high. Since the vote the establishment and remainers have done everything they can think of the undermine the country's decision, and continue to search to find a reason for Brexit to be wrong. Today employment is higher than at the time of the referendum and total exports are higher than at the time of the referendum. Try this. It addresses most of the points you raise and is a lot more balanced than your sunlit uplands! www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p09gr4v3/ros-atkins-on-brexit-promisesI watched it think it is quite pathetic; clutching at straws. We are 6 months into Brexit and achieved 90% of what was promised. Sorting out fishing (5 years) and Northern Ireland will take a longer. It took about 15 years to recover from WWII with everyone pulling together till McMillan said "We have never had it so good". It took 5 years to recover the lost GDP from the 2008 financial crisis. I don't know how long it will take to recover from the pandemic or the short term adverse effects of Brexit. It will take longer the more British people pull apart rather than pull together. April's goods exports to the EU were the highest since the start of the pandemic apart from December's when lorries were queuing at the ports to build stocks in the EU in case of no trade deal. The drop in imports from the EU in value terms in the first quarter of this year is greater than the drop in exports to the EU, so we have actually reduced the adverse trade balance and increased our self-sufficiency. But that could be just a short term anomaly, we'll see in years to come. All the wild talk of a huge loss of trade in January was just more project fear. The UK's major exports are machinery and technical items, oil and minerals, pharmaceuticals and chemicals, transport, chemicals, and precious materials. Milk, cheese, and shellfish and pretty low on the list! Cleary it will take years for the UK to reposition itself in the world market and take advantage of the new and improved trade deals. I agree with bjr's view on increased self sufficiency, but the UK has to trade to feed itself, and we should spread our dependency and not be so massively dependant on the EU for food, cars, sweets(!), etc. We are never going back to being the manufacturing centre of the world as we were during the industrial revolution, so we will always need to import many goods. We have suffered from being on the fringe of the EU and most of the investment being attracted to the "centre" of the EU. We now need to focus on the future as it appears we now are: sifted.eu/articles/uk-record-tech-investment-2020/home.kpmg/uk/en/home/media/press-releases/2021/04/investment-in-uk-innovators-soars-to-record-levels-in-first-quarter-of-2021.html#:~:text=Investment%20in%20UK%20innovators%20soars%20to%20record%20levels%20in%20first%20quarter%20of%202021&text=Venture%20Capital%20(VC)%20investment%20in,to%20new%20research%20out%20today. industryeurope.com/sectors/technology-innovation/uk-startups-see-record-investment-for-2021/We may now be beating our own records, but we have some way to go to catch and overtake Germany and France, which have been sucking in the lion's share of investment in the EU. First priority for me is to achieve self-sufficiency in energy, with the overwhelming proportion being renewable. I also wish we were self sufficient in coking coal, but that is another story! It upsets me that we have allowed ourselves to become so dependant on Ireland, Netherlands, and Belgium for food. Why? Surely we should be trading with those third world countries that can produce cheap food for us, not tomatoes from the Netherlands grown under artificial light generated by Russian gas?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 3, 2021 8:08:26 GMT
I watched it think it is quite pathetic; clutching at straws. We are 6 months into Brexit and achieved 90% of what was promised. Sorting out fishing (5 years) and Northern Ireland will take a longer. It took about 15 years to recover from WWII with everyone pulling together till McMillan said "We have never had it so good". It took 5 years to recover the lost GDP from the 2008 financial crisis. I don't know how long it will take to recover from the pandemic or the short term adverse effects of Brexit. It will take longer the more British people pull apart rather than pull together. April's goods exports to the EU were the highest since the start of the pandemic apart from December's when lorries were queuing at the ports to build stocks in the EU in case of no trade deal. The drop in imports from the EU in value terms in the first quarter of this year is greater than the drop in exports to the EU, so we have actually reduced the adverse trade balance and increased our self-sufficiency. But that could be just a short term anomaly, we'll see in years to come. All the wild talk of a huge loss of trade in January was just more project fear. The UK's major exports are machinery and technical items, oil and minerals, pharmaceuticals and chemicals, transport, chemicals, and precious materials. Milk, cheese, and shellfish and pretty low on the list! Cleary it will take years for the UK to reposition itself in the world market and take advantage of the new and improved trade deals. I agree with bjr's view on increased self sufficiency, but the UK has to trade to feed itself, and we should spread our dependency and not be so massively dependant on the EU for food, cars, sweets(!), etc. We are never going back to being the manufacturing centre of the world as we were during the industrial revolution, so we will always need to import many goods. We have suffered from being on the fringe of the EU and most of the investment being attracted to the "centre" of the EU. We now need to focus on the future as it appears we now are: sifted.eu/articles/uk-record-tech-investment-2020/home.kpmg/uk/en/home/media/press-releases/2021/04/investment-in-uk-innovators-soars-to-record-levels-in-first-quarter-of-2021.html#:~:text=Investment%20in%20UK%20innovators%20soars%20to%20record%20levels%20in%20first%20quarter%20of%202021&text=Venture%20Capital%20(VC)%20investment%20in,to%20new%20research%20out%20today. industryeurope.com/sectors/technology-innovation/uk-startups-see-record-investment-for-2021/We may now be beating our own records, but we have some way to go to catch and overtake Germany and France, which have been sucking in the lion's share of investment in the EU. First priority for me is to achieve self-sufficiency in energy, with the overwhelming proportion being renewable. I also wish we were self sufficient in coking coal, but that is another story! It upsets me that we have allowed ourselves to become so dependant on Ireland, Netherlands, and Belgium for food. Why? Surely we should be trading with those third world countries that can produce cheap food for us, not tomatoes from the Netherlands grown under artificial light generated by Russian gas? Of course you did, you're as one-eyed in your own way as all those folk you mistakenly characterise as "knocking the country" whenever they dare to point out that it might not be sunlit uplands all the way! That piece didn't even mention the bus bullshit, the £350 mill a week, immigrants and job shortages in various sectors...it could have been a lot more critical.
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