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Post by TinkerT on Apr 24, 2017 20:14:39 GMT
So, the examples you've provided and by your analysis saido will be scoring 20 goals a season next season. By your logic, imbula started off amazing and flopped. Saido started terrible and should be banging them in, so where's your idea come from that he will "flop" You've missed my point although I could have explained it better. I find that generally I can tell after a few games whether a player is going to flop or succeed and aren't often wrong. I've listed 2 examples of players I've got wrong on early impressions, one who I thought would be great but turned out crap and one I thought would be crap and turned out to be great. However there are countless other ones where my initial gut instinct turned out to be right, too many to list. My gut instinct is that Berahino is going to flop and track record means that I'm unlikely to be wrong. However that doesn't stop me helping that I will be wrong! Well with your "track record" and your examples and explanations they contradict themselves pal.. |
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Post by butlerstreet on Apr 24, 2017 20:37:52 GMT
You've missed my point although I could have explained it better. I find that generally I can tell after a few games whether a player is going to flop or succeed and aren't often wrong. I've listed 2 examples of players I've got wrong on early impressions, one who I thought would be great but turned out crap and one I thought would be crap and turned out to be great. However there are countless other ones where my initial gut instinct turned out to be right, too many to list. My gut instinct is that Berahino is going to flop and track record means that I'm unlikely to be wrong. However that doesn't stop me helping that I will be wrong! Well with your "track record" and your examples and explanations they contradict themselves pal.. I think you're missing his point, mate. He's cited a couple of exceptions to the general rule that he thinks he can see a players potential or lack of after the first few games, whilst accepting there will be exceptions. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 24, 2017 22:32:04 GMT
A big concern for me was I don't think the 2 missed chances were down to lack of sharpness/confidence. I just think he is shit at heading. So ,along with Shaqiri and Arnie that's 3 of our forward players who (at best ) aren't comfortable in heading a football. He's always been shit at heading, we knew that when we signed him. |
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Post by Fegg 'Ayes Observer on Apr 25, 2017 6:46:09 GMT
A big concern for me was I don't think the 2 missed chances were down to lack of sharpness/confidence. I just think he is shit at heading. So ,along with Shaqiri and Arnie that's 3 of our forward players who (at best ) aren't comfortable in heading a football. He's always been sit at heading, we knew that when we signed him. He's not just shit at heading, he's just shit. I'm with SamB on this one. He's a bad 'un. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 25, 2017 8:23:17 GMT
Can anyone tell us what he is GOOD at?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 8:28:01 GMT
Can anyone tell us what he is GOOD at? |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 25, 2017 8:47:01 GMT
Can anyone tell us what he is GOOD at? Mark and his team may have an answer to that same with a few of their signings, we can all see what he is not good at, scoring goals seems to be the most relevant one. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 25, 2017 9:08:26 GMT
Can anyone tell us what he is GOOD at? Nice video Prestwich but the first thing that came to mind on that Youtube clip is he looks about 3 stone lighter |
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Post by butlerstreet on Apr 25, 2017 9:14:10 GMT
Can anyone tell us what he is GOOD at? Fair play. THAT Saido looks a decent prospect. Did we sign his fat brother by mistake? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 9:21:41 GMT
Nice video Prestwich but the first thing that came to mind on that Youtube clip is he looks about 3 stone lighter Well he'll be doing plenty of running up hills in the summer I guess.... |
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Post by mrred on Apr 25, 2017 9:31:45 GMT
Nice video Prestwich but the first thing that came to mind on that Youtube clip is he looks about 3 stone lighter Well he'll be doing plenty of running up hills in the summer I guess.... Not with Hughes as manager. Our pre-season training starts about mid-August. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 25, 2017 9:41:24 GMT
Nice video Prestwich but the first thing that came to mind on that Youtube clip is he looks about 3 stone lighter Well he'll be doing plenty of running up hills in the summer I guess.... Dont tell me TP is coming back  |
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Post by Fegg 'Ayes Observer on Apr 25, 2017 17:39:46 GMT
Can anyone tell us what he is GOOD at? Snortin illegal substances; drink driving, sniffin' funny gas from balloons, running charity events and not paying over the proceeds. |
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Post by chad on Apr 25, 2017 17:50:22 GMT
Nice video Prestwich but the first thing that came to mind on that Youtube clip is he looks about 3 stone lighter What strikes me about that video is the good through balls he gets Hardly had that service here yet as he |
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Post by butlerstreet on Apr 25, 2017 17:53:27 GMT
Nice video Prestwich but the first thing that came to mind on that Youtube clip is he looks about 3 stone lighter What strikes me about that video is the good through balls he gets Hardly had that service here yet as he Agree. I'd love to see Shaq in the no 10, Sobhi one side Arnie the other. Shaq's vision and precision can be frightening. Might be the way to get a tune out of Berahino? |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 25, 2017 18:25:15 GMT
Nice video Prestwich but the first thing that came to mind on that Youtube clip is he looks about 3 stone lighter What strikes me about that video is the good through balls he gets Hardly had that service here yet as he It relies on service from midfield, Allen and Cameron do a job, but {especially in a 442} they're not the fellas to be slotting balls through. You would think with Shaq and Arnie there's loads of potential for service. Hoping it's gelling/wavelength rather than effort. He is getting in 'situations' at least. Real shame in this is that Imbula has good incisive pass on him, sure Afellay has it in his locker. Who knows the talk is that the door is still open for Bojan. Disappointing he's not notched yet, got to remain positive. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 18:39:17 GMT
What strikes me about that video is the good through balls he gets Hardly had that service here yet as he It relies on service from midfield, Allen and Cameron do a job, but {especially in a 442} they're not the fellas to be slotting balls through. You would think with Shaq and Arnie there's loads of potential for service. Hoping it's gelling/wavelength rather than effort. He is getting in 'situations' at least. Real shame in this is that Imbula has good incisive pass on him, sure Afellay has it in his locker. Who knows the talk is that the door is still open for Bojan. Disappointing he's not notched yet, got to remain positive. He's done well so far for me. Having only two central midfielders when we've been struggling to score with 3 doesn't help. Stick him in front of Shaq Bojan and Arnie and he'll score goals. Even now he's doing no worse than the other players we've got up front. He looks strong on the ball, and like he can hold it up well. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 25, 2017 19:04:45 GMT
It relies on service from midfield, Allen and Cameron do a job, but {especially in a 442} they're not the fellas to be slotting balls through. You would think with Shaq and Arnie there's loads of potential for service. Hoping it's gelling/wavelength rather than effort. He is getting in 'situations' at least. Real shame in this is that Imbula has good incisive pass on him, sure Afellay has it in his locker. Who knows the talk is that the door is still open for Bojan. Disappointing he's not notched yet, got to remain positive. Having only two central midfielders when we've been struggling to score with 3 doesn't help. Stick him in front of Shaq Bojan and Arnie and he'll score goals. Even now he's doing no worse than the other players we've got up front. He looks strong on the ball, and like he can hold it up well. Yer what?? If that is doing well then what would you consider doing badly? Maybe 10 own goals? |
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Post by Gunslinger on Apr 25, 2017 19:06:58 GMT
Nice video Prestwich but the first thing that came to mind on that Youtube clip is he looks about 3 stone lighter Just what I was thinking as well |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 19:10:20 GMT
He's done well so far for me. Having only two central midfielders when we've been struggling to score with 3 doesn't help. Stick him in front of Shaq Bojan and Arnie and he'll score goals. Even now he's doing no worse than the other players we've got up front. He looks strong on the ball, and like he can hold it up well. Yer what?? If that is doing well then what would you consider doing badly? Maybe 10 own goals? I think he's looking lively and getting into good positions, despite having absolutely no creativity from the middle or next to him. And his hold up play has been good. He's been unlucky with 2/3 chances and should've done better with a couple more. Thats why i say well, not incredibly well. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 25, 2017 19:14:23 GMT
Yer what?? If that is doing well then what would you consider doing badly? Maybe 10 own goals? I think he's looking lively and getting into good positions, despite having absolutely no creativity from the middle or next to him. And his hold up play has been good. He's been unlucky with 2/3 chances and should've done better with a couple more. Thats why i say well, not incredibly well. You are literally describing Mama Sidibe there. We did pay 15M for Berahino, I would expect a little more than decent hold up play |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 19:17:10 GMT
I think he's looking lively and getting into good positions, despite having absolutely no creativity from the middle or next to him. And his hold up play has been good. He's been unlucky with 2/3 chances and should've done better with a couple more. Thats why i say well, not incredibly well. You are literally describing Mama Sidibe there. We did pay 15M for Berahino, I would expect a little more than decent hold up play I think we're getting a little more! he's making good runs, and it showed in the Hull game, his best performance, that as a lone striker with creativity behind him, he can do well. The problem is 442, not Berahino, which is why I'm reluctant to have too much of a go, bar his couple of missed chances at the weekend. |
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 26, 2017 8:24:33 GMT
For me at the moment it's confidence, in that clip he's hitting a lot of stuff first time, or 1 touch then a finish. Against Liverpool he waited for adam, whereas a confident Berahino lashes it home without thinking.
If he can get a couple before the seasons out I think we'll see a different player.
There's also some truth in what Hughes has said, I think he's working too hard for the team and not being a striker.
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Post by Will_75 on Apr 26, 2017 8:36:59 GMT
Fucking hell, a week ago you lot were booing the manager for subbing him off. Now he's wank?!
There's clearly a good player in there, who's had his career shafted by a proven liar, and you won't even give him a pre-season?
Fucksake, this place gets worse.
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Post by butlerstreet on Apr 26, 2017 8:45:30 GMT
Fucking hell, a week ago you lot were booing the manager for subbing him off. Now he's wank?! There's clearly a good player in there, who's had his career shafted by a proven liar, and you won't even give him a pre-season? Fucksake, this place gets worse. I dislike the pant-wetting as much as the next man, but what I don't get is how a bloke who's effectively had two YEARS of pre-season (and yes that may have been TPs fault, but still) can still be at least a stone overweight. Possibly through no fault of his own, he's ended up having two years to do nothing but keep in top shape ready for his chance. |
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Post by greenstokie on Apr 26, 2017 9:02:46 GMT
Great youtube clips there. As we saw before he can strike the ball very well with both feet. He can also score headed goals. Scores most of his goals from long or longish range. Looks a real threat coming in from the left and the right and the middle and has oodles of confidence with one-on-ones with a 'keeper.
Clearly He's not fit enough and still overweight judging from then to now. It looks like we'll have to wait till next season to see the best out of him. All that rich, young footballer messing about off the pitch shite, needs to stop and we need to get him back to concentrating on being a top class striker, which evidently he was and still can be.
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Post by mickmacc on Apr 26, 2017 11:31:37 GMT
When you assess a player you look at attributes. Does he have pace?Can he hold the ball up?Does he have a good touch?Good in the air? Football brain?Etc. etc For the life of me I cannot see a single stand out attribute in Berahino. He looks like a poor man's slower Defoe -without the goals.
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Post by Foster on Apr 26, 2017 12:19:41 GMT
I think he's looking lively and getting into good positions, despite having absolutely no creativity from the middle or next to him. And his hold up play has been good. He's been unlucky with 2/3 chances and should've done better with a couple more. Thats why i say well, not incredibly well. You are literally describing Mama Sidibe there. We did pay 15M for Berahino, I would expect a little more than decent hold up play I sincerely hope Saido turns out better than Mama. |
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Post by Will_75 on Apr 26, 2017 12:24:48 GMT
Can anyone tell us what he is GOOD at? Snortin illegal substances; drink driving, sniffin' funny gas from balloons, running charity events and not paying over the proceeds. fuck me, with supporters like you.... |
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Post by borat on Apr 26, 2017 12:39:04 GMT
Pulis and West Brom fans will secretly be pissing themselves laughing. However I haven't give up hope myself as age and the shit he went through. Lets see what he's like next season with a proper pre season under his belt.
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