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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 22, 2024 12:15:29 GMT
Trump the man is a egotistical, loud mouth moron. However I don't necessary think he's necessarily all bad on the policy side of things - he likes to think of himself as a deal maker so I doubt he'd simply be turning a blind eye to the situation in Gaza if he was currently president. With that being said though, he commented that he could find peace in Ukraine within 24 hours..... That simply wont happen and we all know it. The mans a fuckin idiot - no sorry, a RICH fuckin idiot. And Americans lap it up !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2024 12:16:17 GMT
USA would implode if they chucked The Don in jail. For that reason it aint gonna happen With respect, that's nonsense. He'd be forgotten about within weeks. You suggesting that Trump is above the law mate? Yes, he is. Many incredibly wealthy and famous people are. There’s the law, then there’s real life. Nixon didn’t go to prison. Robert E Lee didn’t. Bloody Alexander Stephen’s was elected to congress after the civil war. They’ll find a way to pardon Trump. Either Biden will do it federally or the appropriate governor will pardon him at the State level.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 22, 2024 12:25:58 GMT
Apparently he's going to pull the USA out of NATO if he's elected 😳
Still, as long as a few wokie, lefty libtards get a bit upset it'll be well worth it...
Sweet baby jesus on a bike 😂
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Post by thisisouryear on Jan 22, 2024 12:45:59 GMT
USA would implode if they chucked The Don in jail. For that reason it aint gonna happen With respect, that's nonsense. He'd be forgotten about within weeks. You suggesting that Trump is above the law mate? Trump has a crazy following, he's formed his own MAGA cult loyal to only him. I bet Jesus didn't get as many followers as quickly as Trump has in such a short space of time. There would be hell up if Trump was jailed, it could even lead to a civil war in the US especially if it prevented him becoming President.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 22, 2024 13:20:27 GMT
With respect, that's nonsense. He'd be forgotten about within weeks. You suggesting that Trump is above the law mate? Trump has a crazy following, he's formed his own MAGA cult loyal to only him. I bet Jesus didn't get as many followers as quickly as Trump has in such a short space of time. There would be hell up if Trump was jailed, it could even lead to a civil war in the US especially if it prevented him becoming President. So you're also suggesting he is above the law?
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 22, 2024 16:15:58 GMT
Trump the man is a egotistical, loud mouth moron. However I don't necessary think he's necessarily all bad on the policy side of things - he likes to think of himself as a deal maker so I doubt he'd simply be turning a blind eye to the situation in Gaza if he was currently president. People say this but what did he actually negotiate successfully? IMO look more at what politicians do when they have power instead of how they brand themselves. The way he tried to overthrow democracy and has made it obvious he plans to do the same doesn't look like someone who'll negotiate. Looks more like a dictator in waiting.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 22, 2024 16:36:37 GMT
Trump the man is a egotistical, loud mouth moron. However I don't necessary think he's necessarily all bad on the policy side of things - he likes to think of himself as a deal maker so I doubt he'd simply be turning a blind eye to the situation in Gaza if he was currently president. People say this but what did he actually negotiate successfully? IMO look more at what politicians do when they have power instead of how they brand themselves. The way he tried to overthrow democracy and has made it obvious he plans to do the same doesn't look like someone who'll negotiate. Looks more like a dictator in waiting. I've not paid much attention to this over throw of the govt and the Jan 6th Insurrection. But I have to admit one thing just doesn't add up to me. Considering a hell of a lot of people are armed to the teeth in the USA and if the media is to be believed there is a big prevalence of Trump followers being into their assault weapons. Then how come they all turned up to Capitol Hill unarmed. I mean if you're going to take the govt out you'd think a lot of em would have turned up dressed like John Rambo with their big guns.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 22, 2024 16:38:40 GMT
Can Donald Trump around corners?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 22, 2024 16:54:59 GMT
People say this but what did he actually negotiate successfully? IMO look more at what politicians do when they have power instead of how they brand themselves. The way he tried to overthrow democracy and has made it obvious he plans to do the same doesn't look like someone who'll negotiate. Looks more like a dictator in waiting. I've not paid much attention to this over throw of the govt and the Jan 6th Insurrection. But I have to admit one thing just doesn't add up to me. Considering a hell of a lot of people are armed to the teeth in the USA and if the media is to be believed there is a big prevalence of Trump followers being into their assault weapons. Then how come they all turned up to Capitol Hill unarmed. I mean if you're going to take the govt out you'd think a lot of em would have turned up dressed like John Rambo with their big guns. Because if they planned to turn up armed the security services would have got wind and prevented them from getting there and if they had turned up armed and used them they would have been annihilated. There are a small number of lunatics who would turn up and facilitate an armed insurrection but they are in a very small minority. Trump made noises about that could be read as inviting an armed insurrection but he stayed on the side of "plausible deniability" - if an insurrection came off he'd be there claiming a personal victory and taking credit for it but as it was he just claimed it was nothing to do with him. If Trump did come out unambiguously to call for an armed insurrection a few more would turn out but again nowhere near enough for a successful coup. The thing is the vast majority of his supporters either don't believe or don't want to believe that Trump would overthrow American democracy - they think he is the picked upon good guy and wouldn't dream of going out there and be part of the overthrow of the government. In a way that's more scary than the fact they are armed - they are sleep walking into a dictatorship.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 22, 2024 17:24:19 GMT
I've not paid much attention to this over throw of the govt and the Jan 6th Insurrection. But I have to admit one thing just doesn't add up to me. Considering a hell of a lot of people are armed to the teeth in the USA and if the media is to be believed there is a big prevalence of Trump followers being into their assault weapons. Then how come they all turned up to Capitol Hill unarmed. I mean if you're going to take the govt out you'd think a lot of em would have turned up dressed like John Rambo with their big guns. Because if they planned to turn up armed the security services would have got wind and prevented them from getting there and if they had turned up armed and used them they would have been annihilated. There are a small number of lunatics who would turn up and facilitate an armed insurrection but they are in a very small minority. Trump made noises about that could be read as inviting an armed insurrection but he stayed on the side of "plausible deniability" - if an insurrection came off he'd be there claiming a personal victory and taking credit for it but as it was he just claimed it was nothing to do with him. If Trump did come out unambiguously to call for an armed insurrection a few more would turn out but again nowhere near enough for a successful coup. The thing is the vast majority of his supporters either don't believe or don't want to believe that Trump would overthrow American democracy - they think he is the picked upon good guy and wouldn't dream of going out there and be part of the overthrow of the government. In a way that's more scary than the fact they are armed - they are sleep walking into a dictatorship. Fair enough. But is it really grammatically correct to call a load of knuckle draggers turning up to Capitol Hill with nowt but flags and their fists an insurrection when you yourself tell me if they'd done it with guns they'd have been annihilated. My point being I think a lot of people aren't buying the term insurrection. Seems a bit of a stretch in my and many others opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2024 17:37:43 GMT
Because if they planned to turn up armed the security services would have got wind and prevented them from getting there and if they had turned up armed and used them they would have been annihilated. There are a small number of lunatics who would turn up and facilitate an armed insurrection but they are in a very small minority. Trump made noises about that could be read as inviting an armed insurrection but he stayed on the side of "plausible deniability" - if an insurrection came off he'd be there claiming a personal victory and taking credit for it but as it was he just claimed it was nothing to do with him. If Trump did come out unambiguously to call for an armed insurrection a few more would turn out but again nowhere near enough for a successful coup. The thing is the vast majority of his supporters either don't believe or don't want to believe that Trump would overthrow American democracy - they think he is the picked upon good guy and wouldn't dream of going out there and be part of the overthrow of the government. In a way that's more scary than the fact they are armed - they are sleep walking into a dictatorship. Fair enough. But is it really grammatically correct to call a load of knuckle draggers turning up to Capitol Hill with nowt but flags and their fists an insurrection when you yourself tell me if they'd done it with guns they'd have been annihilated. My point being I think a lot of people aren't buying the term insurrection. Seems a bit of a stretch in my and many others opinions. They went into the Capitol building looking for Pence and Pelosi. That’s after chants of “hang Mike Pence” outside the building. Pence was, at the time, confirming the results of the election. What do you think that they were trying to achieve if they were not trying to overturn the election? What is an insurrection if not a movement to alter the course of a country by forcibly instated another leader (in this case, Trump)? I don’t believe that the average person who went into the building spend days plotting for it to happen (I’m sure some did). I do believe that they got riled up at the march and rally, and that makes them no less guilty.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jan 22, 2024 17:42:04 GMT
Trump has a crazy following, he's formed his own MAGA cult loyal to only him. I bet Jesus didn't get as many followers as quickly as Trump has in such a short space of time. There would be hell up if Trump was jailed, it could even lead to a civil war in the US especially if it prevented him becoming President. So you're also suggesting he is above the law? He has too much power to go to prison. He will be the next president because Biden is too arrogant to step aside. Trump will win big if he goes against Biden again.
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Post by lordb on Jan 22, 2024 17:46:40 GMT
Because if they planned to turn up armed the security services would have got wind and prevented them from getting there and if they had turned up armed and used them they would have been annihilated. There are a small number of lunatics who would turn up and facilitate an armed insurrection but they are in a very small minority. Trump made noises about that could be read as inviting an armed insurrection but he stayed on the side of "plausible deniability" - if an insurrection came off he'd be there claiming a personal victory and taking credit for it but as it was he just claimed it was nothing to do with him. If Trump did come out unambiguously to call for an armed insurrection a few more would turn out but again nowhere near enough for a successful coup. The thing is the vast majority of his supporters either don't believe or don't want to believe that Trump would overthrow American democracy - they think he is the picked upon good guy and wouldn't dream of going out there and be part of the overthrow of the government. In a way that's more scary than the fact they are armed - they are sleep walking into a dictatorship. Fair enough. But is it really grammatically correct to call a load of knuckle draggers turning up to Capitol Hill with nowt but flags and their fists an insurrection when you yourself tell me if they'd done it with guns they'd have been annihilated. My point being I think a lot of people aren't buying the term insurrection. Seems a bit of a stretch in my and many others opinions. It was absolutely an insurrection a rubbish one but an insurrection nonetheless what else was it?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 22, 2024 17:59:24 GMT
Fair enough. But is it really grammatically correct to call a load of knuckle draggers turning up to Capitol Hill with nowt but flags and their fists an insurrection when you yourself tell me if they'd done it with guns they'd have been annihilated. My point being I think a lot of people aren't buying the term insurrection. Seems a bit of a stretch in my and many others opinions. They went into the Capitol building looking for Pence and Pelosi. That’s after chants of “hang Mike Pence” outside the building. Pence was, at the time, confirming the results of the election. What do you think that they were trying to achieve if they were not trying to overturn the election? What is an insurrection if not a movement to alter the course of a country by forcibly instated another leader (in this case, Trump)? I don’t believe that the average person who went into the building spend days plotting for it to happen (I’m sure some did). I do believe that they got riled up at the march and rally, and that makes them no less guilty. Fair enough. A load of uneducated yobs shouting nasty things and claiming an election was stolen doesn't conjure up images of a group of people seriously intent on achieving the reinstatement of Trump ie an insurrection. We're talking about America the most heavily armed country on the planet. Its not exactly going to end up well for them. Especially unarmed. And I can see why some draw comparisons to BLM riots that a large %age of the media were saying were mostly peaceful. Its a confusing narrative. So Capitol Hill was a violent insurrection but 12 months of buildings being razed to the ground was mostly peaceful. Hmmm. As I say I'm no Trump fan but I'm just trying to balance the arguement in my head and to now I'm not buying it. He facilitated a riot no doubt but I can't see beyond that really.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 22, 2024 18:04:15 GMT
Because if they planned to turn up armed the security services would have got wind and prevented them from getting there and if they had turned up armed and used them they would have been annihilated. There are a small number of lunatics who would turn up and facilitate an armed insurrection but they are in a very small minority. Trump made noises about that could be read as inviting an armed insurrection but he stayed on the side of "plausible deniability" - if an insurrection came off he'd be there claiming a personal victory and taking credit for it but as it was he just claimed it was nothing to do with him. If Trump did come out unambiguously to call for an armed insurrection a few more would turn out but again nowhere near enough for a successful coup. The thing is the vast majority of his supporters either don't believe or don't want to believe that Trump would overthrow American democracy - they think he is the picked upon good guy and wouldn't dream of going out there and be part of the overthrow of the government. In a way that's more scary than the fact they are armed - they are sleep walking into a dictatorship. Fair enough. But is it really grammatically correct to call a load of knuckle draggers turning up to Capitol Hill with nowt but flags and their fists an insurrection when you yourself tell me if they'd done it with guns they'd have been annihilated. My point being I think a lot of people aren't buying the term insurrection. Seems a bit of a stretch in my and many others opinions. The definition of insurrection is "a violent uprising against authority or government" which is what happened on Capitol Hill. The fact it wasn't violent enough to succeed is irrelevant, the fact it was violent was enough to make it an insurrection. You don't let someone off trying to rob a bank because they were a bit shit and got caught.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 22, 2024 18:07:54 GMT
Fair enough. But is it really grammatically correct to call a load of knuckle draggers turning up to Capitol Hill with nowt but flags and their fists an insurrection when you yourself tell me if they'd done it with guns they'd have been annihilated. My point being I think a lot of people aren't buying the term insurrection. Seems a bit of a stretch in my and many others opinions. It was absolutely an insurrection a rubbish one but an insurrection nonetheless what else was it? A rubbish insurrection? So not planned properly, no weapons, no generals. A bunch of knuckle draggers rioting on Capitol Hill. Did they really believe they were a match for the US government. You know, that govt that thinks nothing of bombing the shit out of countries all over the globe. I just can't make that leap.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 22, 2024 18:12:49 GMT
So you're also suggesting he is above the law? He has too much power to go to prison. He will be the next president because Biden is too arrogant to step aside. Trump will win big if he goes against Biden again. He currently does not have enough power to go to prison. The reason he wants to be President is partly to give himself the power to stop himself going to prison. I'm surprised the Democrats aren't putting up an alternative to Biden and the only reason I can think why they are doing it is that their polling suggests it's their best chance of victory. I know the official polls give Trump a bit of a lead but there are a lot of undecideds who may just go for the "safe" option rather than an unknown and it's actually quite rare for a President not to get a second term.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Jan 22, 2024 18:51:22 GMT
So you're also suggesting he is above the law? He has too much power to go to prison. He will be the next president because Biden is too arrogant to step aside. Trump will win big if he goes against Biden again. The only way The Don is not going to be POTUS is if anyone but Biden gets the Dem nomination, I got a sneaky feeling a certain former 1st Lady is waiting, and no, not crooked Hillary...
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 22, 2024 18:55:26 GMT
He has too much power to go to prison. He will be the next president because Biden is too arrogant to step aside. Trump will win big if he goes against Biden again. The only way The Don is not going to be POTUS is if anyone but Biden gets the Dem nomination, I got a sneaky feeling a certain former 1st Lady is waiting, and no, not crooked Hillary... Huddy seems to be under the misapprehension that there is no corruption in world politics and it’s only reserved for the U.K. I fear he’s gonna be disappointed.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jan 22, 2024 18:58:38 GMT
He has too much power to go to prison. He will be the next president because Biden is too arrogant to step aside. Trump will win big if he goes against Biden again. He currently does not have enough power to go to prison. The reason he wants to be President is partly to give himself the power to stop himself going to prison. I'm surprised the Democrats aren't putting up an alternative to Biden and the only reason I can think why they are doing it is that their polling suggests it's their best chance of victory. I know the official polls give Trump a bit of a lead but there are a lot of undecideds who may just go for the "safe" option rather than an unknown and it's actually quite rare for a President not to get a second term. I don't see how Biden is the safe option. He's involved in a war with Russia, sort of involved in the Israel war. He makes a fool of himself regular. He's embarrassing which doesn't sit well with voters. I don't see Trump losing his voters, I do see Biden losing many of his.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jan 22, 2024 19:01:27 GMT
He has too much power to go to prison. He will be the next president because Biden is too arrogant to step aside. Trump will win big if he goes against Biden again. The only way The Don is not going to be POTUS is if anyone but Biden gets the Dem nomination, I got a sneaky feeling a certain former 1st Lady is waiting, and no, not crooked Hillary... Michelle Obama would stand a chance against Trump but if Biden wants to run again he gets the nod and it's gonna be another Corbyn v Boris type of result I feel.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 22, 2024 19:18:41 GMT
Fair enough. But is it really grammatically correct to call a load of knuckle draggers turning up to Capitol Hill with nowt but flags and their fists an insurrection when you yourself tell me if they'd done it with guns they'd have been annihilated. My point being I think a lot of people aren't buying the term insurrection. Seems a bit of a stretch in my and many others opinions. The definition of insurrection is "a violent uprising against authority or government" which is what happened on Capitol Hill. The fact it wasn't violent enough to succeed is irrelevant, the fact it was violent was enough to make it an insurrection. You don't let someone off trying to rob a bank because they were a bit shit and got caught. Lol, so every protest against a govt that turns violent is an insurrection. Give over 😆
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jan 22, 2024 19:58:47 GMT
The definition of insurrection is "a violent uprising against authority or government" which is what happened on Capitol Hill. The fact it wasn't violent enough to succeed is irrelevant, the fact it was violent was enough to make it an insurrection. You don't let someone off trying to rob a bank because they were a bit shit and got caught. Lol, so every protest against a govt that turns violent is an insurrection. Give over 😆 What would you describe it as?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 22, 2024 20:00:25 GMT
Lol, so every protest against a govt that turns violent is an insurrection. Give over 😆 What would you describe it as? They’re a bit like “Just Stop Oil”. Where are they by the way? Bit nippy for em I reckon. Fair weather protestors😉
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jan 22, 2024 20:03:59 GMT
What would you describe it as? They’re a bit like “Just Stop Oil”. Where are they by the way? Bit nippy for em I reckon. Fair weather protestors😉 I wasn't asking you was I... 😉 If you can point to how many officers have died as a result of either 'just stop oil' mob attacks, or those who tragically took their own lives less than a week after it that would certainly add to the conversation mind.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 22, 2024 20:05:38 GMT
They’re a bit like “Just Stop Oil”. Where are they by the way? Bit nippy for em I reckon. Fair weather protestors😉 I wasn't asking you was I... 😉 If you can point to how many officers have died as a result of either 'just stop oil' mob attacks, or those who tragically took their own lives less than a week after it that would certainly add to the conversation mind. Leave me alone ya bully😉
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Jan 22, 2024 20:06:19 GMT
The only way The Don is not going to be POTUS is if anyone but Biden gets the Dem nomination, I got a sneaky feeling a certain former 1st Lady is waiting, and no, not crooked Hillary... Huddy seems to be under the misapprehension that there is no corruption in world politics and it’s only reserved for the U.K. I fear he’s gonna be disappointed. Poor deluded Huddy. He lives in a wonderfully naive world.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 22, 2024 20:07:51 GMT
It was absolutely an insurrection a rubbish one but an insurrection nonetheless what else was it? A rubbish insurrection? So not planned properly, no weapons, no generals. A bunch of knuckle draggers rioting on Capitol Hill. Did they really believe they were a match for the US government. You know, that govt that thinks nothing of bombing the shit out of countries all over the globe. I just can't make that leap. Quite a few were armed with guns in the Capitol Building The president was warned by a Secret Service official that protesters outside security magnetometers were carrying weapons. Trump said: “I don’t fucking care that they have weapons, they’re not here to hurt me. They’re not here to hurt me. Take the fucking mags away. Let my people in. They can march to the Capitol from here, let the people in and take the mags away.” www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/28/trump-jan-6-rally-guns-capitol-attackQuite a few have been charged with carrying weapons on that day ans have got pretty long sentences e.g. 5/6/7 "The full picture of how many among the crowd were armed before the riot occurred is unclear, but court records, trial testimony and accounts from police officers and rioters have supplied growing evidence that multiple people brought firearms to Washington for Jan. 6, 2021. Six men were arrested that day for having guns in the vicinity of the U.S. Capitol, and a seventh who arrived after the riot ended was arrested the following day. Despite some instances in which alerts about people with guns turned out to be false alarms, accounts from police officers and rioters indicate that many firearms were spotted on Jan. 6 but were not seized as law enforcement focused more on defending the Capitol than on arresting gun-law violators."www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/07/08/jan6-defendants-guns/
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jan 22, 2024 20:08:25 GMT
I wasn't asking you was I... 😉 If you can point to how many officers have died as a result of either 'just stop oil' mob attacks, or those who tragically took their own lives less than a week after it that would certainly add to the conversation mind. Leave me alone ya bully😉 That's what I thought 😁 get back in your sett and let Mickey Mouse stand up for himself 😉
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 22, 2024 20:08:36 GMT
Huddy seems to be under the misapprehension that there is no corruption in world politics and it’s only reserved for the U.K. I fear he’s gonna be disappointed. Poor deluded Huddy. He lives in a wonderfully naive world. Cracking left peg mind
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