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Post by eccythump on Aug 27, 2023 10:55:47 GMT
He’s not going to jail. Behave He most certainly is mate. Believe. Before it even comes close to sentencing either Him, his son or who ever gets the GOP nomination will become POTUS and pardon him. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 27, 2023 11:11:17 GMT
He most certainly is mate. Believe. Before it even comes close to sentencing either Him, his son or who ever gets the GOP nomination will become POTUS and pardon him. Expect the family to go down with him too. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 27, 2023 11:16:55 GMT
He most certainly is mate. Believe. Before it even comes close to sentencing either Him, his son or who ever gets the GOP nomination will become POTUS and pardon him. If Trump or a supporter became President they could indeed pardon him for three of his current potential convictions but not the one in Georgia because it is a state rather than a federal case and the President doesn't have the authority in to overturn a state ruling. Unless they change the US constitution. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 27, 2023 11:38:30 GMT
He most certainly is mate. Believe. Before it even comes close to sentencing either Him, his son or who ever gets the GOP nomination will become POTUS and pardon him. He won't be getting sent down mate not a chance, no one actually believes that. Hunter Biden needs a long stint inside though. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2023 12:10:29 GMT
The cost of Trump going to jail would be ridiculous and I’d be annoyed to pay it. I have no desire to see him in prison. There won’t be a civil war because of it. There will be riots. Mostly though, the cost of putting him in prison would be placed on the need to keep his fat mouth shut. He can’t be trusted with national security in the best of times, imagine what he’d do in the worst! Best case for my taxpayer dollars: he is convicted, pardoned under conditions and sods off. Riots and counter riots? Quite likely but a civil war needs more than a flash mob of looters stealing from department stores. Imagine the level of organization it takes to organize a resistance in a country the size of Europe. While a lot of Southern States are Red, the big Cities (i.e., economic power) within those States are very Blue. States have the power to form militia but how are they going to supply food/water/ammo to a hundred or so million people without Federal consent? Politicians love the talk of this crap. Division = votes. It doesn’t mean that it’s remotely likely to happen without a bigger catalyst than a fat old man in makeup going to prison. Any appetite for war would soon disappear when they realize they’d have to leave behind a cushy computer job and work 14 hour days in a weapons factory 😂 |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 27, 2023 12:15:46 GMT
Quite likely but a civil war needs more than a flash mob of looters stealing from department stores. Imagine the level of organization it takes to organize a resistance in a country the size of Europe. While a lot of Southern States are Red, the big Cities (i.e., economic power) within those States are very Blue. States have the power to form militia but how are they going to supply food/water/ammo to a hundred or so million people without Federal consent? Politicians love the talk of this crap. Division = votes. It doesn’t mean that it’s remotely likely to happen without a bigger catalyst than a fat old man in makeup going to prison. They wouldn't see it as a fat old man going to prison though. They'd see it as an attack on freedom and democracy, they see Trump as a saviour of some sort. I still can't see a civil war as we commonly imagine a civil war but I could well see the complete break down of society in a different way. But no one knows for sure. |
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Post by felonious on Aug 27, 2023 12:36:48 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 27, 2023 13:09:01 GMT
As mentioned ad finitum….. “ never underestimate the predictability of stupidity “ |
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Post by wannabee on Aug 27, 2023 13:18:36 GMT
Of course it's nuts but when you break it down not that surprising as a novelty piece to have a T-shirt with a Mug Shot and Number of a former President When you calculate at say 20 Bucks x 350,000 = $7M which is about 0.1% of the Population The image has universal appeal to both his supporters and detractors Hell if I still lived in the US I might buy one and definitely if he appears in an Orange Jumpsuit to colour match his Hair and Face Makeup |
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 27, 2023 13:54:37 GMT
Before it even comes close to sentencing either Him, his son or who ever gets the GOP nomination will become POTUS and pardon him. He won't be getting sent down mate not a chance, no one actually believes that. Hunter Biden needs a long stint inside though. Why? What has he done? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2023 14:02:51 GMT
Quite likely but a civil war needs more than a flash mob of looters stealing from department stores. Imagine the level of organization it takes to organize a resistance in a country the size of Europe. While a lot of Southern States are Red, the big Cities (i.e., economic power) within those States are very Blue. States have the power to form militia but how are they going to supply food/water/ammo to a hundred or so million people without Federal consent? Politicians love the talk of this crap. Division = votes. It doesn’t mean that it’s remotely likely to happen without a bigger catalyst than a fat old man in makeup going to prison. They wouldn't see it as a fat old man going to prison though. They'd see it as an attack on freedom and democracy, they see Trump as a saviour of some sort. I still can't see a civil war as we commonly imagine a civil war but I could well see the complete break down of society in a different way. But no one knows for sure. That’s fair. My impression of the Trump base though is that it makes up about 30% of the core Republican base. “Despite his difficulties since he left office, about a third of Republicans and Republican-leaning voters still consider themselves supporters more of Trump than the Republican Party, according to a recent NBC News poll. Many of them aren’t going anywhere. Fully 28 percent of Republican primary voters are so devoted to the former president that they said they’d support him even if he ran as an independent, according to a national survey last month from The Bulwark and longtime Republican pollster Whit Ayres. Indeed, the “Always Trump” component of the party is so pronounced that it’s affecting how Trump’s opponents operate around him”. www.politico.com/news/2023/02/28/trump-voters-republican-primary-00084652 That still represents a lot of people but it’s not the Republican Party. It’s politically acceptable for politicians to get behind Trump (even now) because they can draw his base. They are always desperate to do that. Vivek’s claims that he isn’t running against Trump are laughably naive but highlight Trump’s power (and Vivek’s own weakness as a candidate). MTG/Gaetz et al may worship him now but if he becomes too distasteful for the core vote, they’ll leave. Just look at De Santis, first he loved him, then he ignored him, now he targets him. Georgia has shown that swing States are not all aboard the Trump Express. The midterms further highlighted that. Biden should have been crushed, but he wasn’t. Now, he’s gaining ground in his policies. If Trump does go to prison (I don’t believe he will) the biggest change I envision will be a split in the Republican Party. That will be great for the DNC. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2023 14:05:44 GMT
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 27, 2023 15:27:30 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 27, 2023 16:27:30 GMT
I think Biden will pardon him even if he convicted
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Post by wannabee on Aug 27, 2023 16:45:20 GMT
I think Biden will pardon him even if he convicted Can't be done in Georgia but I doubt he'd see the inside of a Prison even if convicted. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 27, 2023 16:47:37 GMT
He could well pardon him, which, while politically sensible, not least because it'd reduce the likelihood of civil unrest, it does reinforce the idea that once you've reached a certain elevated, almost protected, status you can essentially do what you like.
A 'little man' would not receive the same degree of 'forgiveness'. If there is to be any reduction in inequality, it should apply equally to the judicial system.
Likewise, any 'jail time' is likely to be minimal: house arrest, passport surrendered type stuff. I'd be astonished if he sees the inside of an actual cell.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 27, 2023 17:12:59 GMT
I think Biden will pardon him even if he convicted That would be the ultimate irony |
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 27, 2023 17:16:40 GMT
I think Biden will pardon him even if he convicted I think that'd be wrong. Gives the green light to any wannabe dictator to try and end democracy in America. Looks like there's a few more election cycles yet where the US is gonna have to pick between democracy and dictatorship. |
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Post by wannabee on Aug 27, 2023 17:32:08 GMT
I think Biden will pardon him even if he convicted I think that'd be wrong. Gives the green light to any wannabe dictator to try and end democracy in America. Looks like there's a few more election cycles yet where the US is gonna have to pick between democracy and dictatorship. I beg your Pardon? |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 27, 2023 17:33:21 GMT
I think Biden will pardon him even if he convicted I think that'd be wrong. Gives the green light to any wannabe dictator to try and end democracy in America. Looks like there's a few more election cycles yet where the US is gonna have to pick between democracy and dictatorship. I doubt Biden would pardon him. Him and his team would be reveling in it and seeing it as some sort of (short lived) victory, but it would be a good thing politically for him if he did. All hypothetical of course because Trump isn't doing any jail time. |
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Post by lordb on Aug 27, 2023 17:39:27 GMT
A pardon makes it harder for Trump to play the martyr card, gives Biden the moral high-ground and gives him a lever over Trump
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 27, 2023 18:41:49 GMT
I think that'd be wrong. Gives the green light to any wannabe dictator to try and end democracy in America. Looks like there's a few more election cycles yet where the US is gonna have to pick between democracy and dictatorship. I doubt Biden would pardon him. Him and his team would be reveling in it and seeing it as some sort of (short lived) victory, but it would be a good thing politically for him if he did. All hypothetical of course because Trump isn't doing any jail time. Fiw if Hunter Biden ends up with jail time I'd be pissed if any president pardons him too. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 27, 2023 18:52:30 GMT
I doubt Biden would pardon him. Him and his team would be reveling in it and seeing it as some sort of (short lived) victory, but it would be a good thing politically for him if he did. All hypothetical of course because Trump isn't doing any jail time. Fiw if Hunter Biden ends up with jail time I'd be pissed if any president pardons him too. He deserves it though. |
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Post by wannabee on Aug 27, 2023 21:50:48 GMT
Fiw if Hunter Biden ends up with jail time I'd be pissed if any president pardons him too. He deserves it though. I wonder if you will answer Royland's question? because I'm struggling to understand why Hunter should be incarcerated On what charges? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2023 22:04:53 GMT
I wonder if you will answer Royland's question? because I'm struggling to understand why Hunter should be incarcerated On what charges? Tax evasion and lying about drug use on a gun application. He should go to prison. He’s another that’s probably too well connected to have to though. Kushner is similar: a scumlord who should never be allowed to rent property to others again. Alas, one rule for the rich and powerful…. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Aug 27, 2023 22:26:27 GMT
Not that a billionaire would care for my opinion but the guy’s a fucking dick.
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 27, 2023 22:26:52 GMT
I wonder if you will answer Royland's question? because I'm struggling to understand why Hunter should be incarcerated On what charges? Tax evasion and lying about drug use on a gun application. He should go to prison. He’s another that’s probably too well connected to have to though. Kushner is similar: a scumlord who should never be allowed to rent property to others again. Alas, one rule for the rich and powerful…. It's a long list mate, not to mention his dodgy dealings in Ukraine. The info is out there and the poster knows very well. 🤦♂️ |
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Post by wannabee on Aug 27, 2023 23:29:01 GMT
I wonder if you will answer Royland's question? because I'm struggling to understand why Hunter should be incarcerated On what charges? Tax evasion and lying about drug use on a gun application. He should go to prison. He’s another that’s probably too well connected to have to though. Kushner is similar: a scumlord who should never be allowed to rent property to others again. Alas, one rule for the rich and powerful…. I don't make the rules but Hunters late payment of Taxes for 2017 and 2018 which were paid in 2021 falls under a misdemeanour in the US Penal Code The Gun application charge was successfully challenged under the 2nd Ammendment in United States v Daniels What's your point? |
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Post by wannabee on Aug 27, 2023 23:34:40 GMT
Tax evasion and lying about drug use on a gun application. He should go to prison. He’s another that’s probably too well connected to have to though. Kushner is similar: a scumlord who should never be allowed to rent property to others again. Alas, one rule for the rich and powerful…. It's a long list mate, not to mention his dodgy dealings in Ukraine. The info is out there and the poster knows very well. 🤦♂️ Wouldn't it be easier to admit your clueless and unable to answer Royland's or my question 🙋 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2023 0:06:24 GMT
Tax evasion and lying about drug use on a gun application. He should go to prison. He’s another that’s probably too well connected to have to though. Kushner is similar: a scumlord who should never be allowed to rent property to others again. Alas, one rule for the rich and powerful…. I don't make the rules but Hunters late payment of Taxes for 2017 and 2018 which were paid in 2021 falls under a misdemeanour in the US Penal Code The Gun application charge was successfully challenged under the 2nd Ammendment in United States v Daniels What's your point? My point? He was getting legal advice to make plea deals. So, I assume that people with good knowledge of the case are a little concerned about his practices. Though, it is nice that $100k of theft is only a misdemeanor. amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/08/19/politics/hunter-biden-plea-deal-collapse/index.htmlIt’s great when rich people can steal from the government and unlawfully purchase guns. We should promote more of the same behaviour. Take a normal person, they aren’t getting a nice plea deal, are they? A black man spends years behind bars. Hunter gets to make more mistakes. If justice was blind, he should go to prison. |
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