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Post by salopstick on Aug 26, 2023 9:58:31 GMT
Sorry for late reply, I went out last night. 1. No not just because he used the word peaceful, the entire message that he put out had no suggestion that anyone should be anything other than law abiding. 2. I do believe the election was stolen. Trump had more votes than anyone had ever had in American history. Yet Biden, a man who can't speak also managed to get more votes than anyone in Americas history, with hundreds of thousands of votes appearing overnight. Epstein was killed because Clinton and Obama had visited the island. If Trumps name was on that list it would have been released. They would have been so excited to get it out there. Anyone who knows anything about the Clinton's disappears. legacyfirearmsco.com/news/the-list-of-clinton-associates-who-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/Obamas chef died in an accident recently too, and guess what so did Clinton's. What are the odds? 3. You may have noticed that all celebrities and mainstream media turned on twitter and all celebrities started threads accounts. It's all because musk exposed some truths and he refuses to be controlled or bought. I'm not particularly a fan of musk, but I admire his transparency. Read through the twitter files and at the very least you'll wonder why it didn't make the news. 4. Largely in agreement with each other here - until you mention Trump. The media loved him until he dared to try and drain the swamp. Nobody called him a racist until the media said it a thousand times. The zombies just believe that he is a racist, regardless of the fact that he had the most diverse cabinet in United States history at the time. Everything he said about covid they portrayed as lies and racist. Now 4 years later they are confirming that it did come from where trump said. Only the same media that said it was racist for him to say it now don't have a problem with it being said by the current regime. During the civil sexual case against him they found him guilty of one crime against a woman they never even successfully proved that he had ever met. They had the 'victim' on the news after and she said 'rape is sexy' before they cut the interview. 5. You're right about trust/mistrust of media, I don't just go about life trusting sources from trump supporters. I was raised very left wing. I look at both sides and make my own mind up. I have my eyes open enough to know that each one of trumps indictments has come a day after a Biden family scandal was happening in the courts. Imagine the coincidence. The reason I mistrust the media around trump is because I listen to what I hear him say with my own ears and not what the news tells me that he said. The reason I won't believe that he incited violence is because I saw the tweet with my own eyes and therefore believe my own eyes over the media. Hope I responded to the majority of what you said, your post was pretty long. It's great to see other viewpoints and feel free to respond, I'll be concentrating on football from now until the weekend is over but I'm sure I'll be back for more trump soon. I'm as fascinated with him as the rest of the world is. Also, when you mentioned previously about looking up vivek. Look up kari lake too, she has huge political potential in my opinion. Biden won the popular vote as did Clinton. Trump was also very close to Epstein. Both of these are established fact mate. The popular vote is irrelevant because they don’t use it The Clinton’s were close to Epstein |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 26, 2023 10:28:34 GMT
1. So because he used the word peaceful, that means he didn't incite violence? So lets say for example I have millions of followers who I have a huge amount of influence over that follow me across the country to show their support. And lets say I tweet "King Charles has raped and killed thousands of children, we know it's true and we have the evidence. Everyone gather at Buckingham Palace peacefully". And then long behold lots of people roll up where I told them to go and behave violently as they are outraged by what they've just learned. Does that not make me slightly accountable because without my tweet nobody would have turned up at Buckingham Palace in their droves and no violence would have occurred. Or at the very least a helluva lot less? 2. This paragraph doesn't make sense for alot of people because of my point 1. It makes sense to you because I guess you believe the election was stolen from Trump and it is all a huge conspiracy to keep the reigning president out of office. I'm not sure the reason for the corruption as I don't follow QANON and stuff but isn't it because Trump (previously best friends with one of Americas biggest pedos who died under his 24 hour watch) was going to expose all the corrupt liberals who have dungeons like Oprah filled with kids they rape and drink the blood of to stay young? Or something like this. Because the illumanti who control the world are all liberals with a common shared interest in paedophilia, notably not so interested in any financial crimes, and Trump is here to save our children? You can see why the average person like me finds it a bit far fetched. 3. When did the media turn Musk into a villain? He's still regularly portrayed very well in the media. People like me thought he was a cunt long before Twitter. And it seems I'm not alone, there's a thread there of people slagging him 5 years ago - oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/280949/elon-musk4. 100% agree about not being a zombie and believing everything you see on TV. All you need to do is read the thread about the UK government and you'll find the vast majority of the stories on there often go unreported on the BBC, Daily Mail, Telegraph etc.. But with the trump stuff I don't see anything coming from them outside of main stream media which is anything more than opinion. We keep hearing about the election being stolen. But where's the proof or evidence? Why was it so easy to steal when he lost but when he won it wasn't stolen? Or Pizzagate and all these other mad theories. Again mostly opinion pieces with very little evidence. Whereas the stuff in the government thread about the corruption of the conservative government which goes unreported, well it's there with facts alongside it. Whether it be accounts from a company which benefited from tory contracts and their connections to tory members, or if its about the directors in the BBC and their links to the conservative party, or if it's about Kwami-Kasi and his links to businessmen who made lots of money from the economy crashing. But "Oprah has a dungeon filled with kids she drinks blood from to stay young" doesn't really convince me no matter how many likes the facebook post has. I need more than just a baseless accusation with next to no evidence. 5. I find the distrust of MSM stuff quite dangerous too. Because while I agree it's important to look at lots of different sources of information to get a balanced view and to ensure you're doing your due diligence. It feels very much to me that for Trump supporters it's now a case of "unless it's coming from us, you can't trust anything from any other source" and that's quite dangerous because you're putting your full 100% faith into what any Trump supporting media will tell you. To me I just think there's a lack of inquisitiveness sometimes from some of his supporters. But then maybe people like yourself would say that about me with Jeremy Corbyn too who also had the MSM against him. I just found his rhetoric about inequality and greed and how the top 1% have more wealth than half the world like alot more believable and stuff I could get behind to try and make the world a more fair place. Whereas if he went down the route of telling me that the super rich people (like elon musk) aren't the ones we should be concerned about but instead it's random tv presenters with much less money than the insanely rich that are the problem. And the reason for that is because all of them are pedophiles and we have to protect our kids. I'd expect the people who have the most influence over the world to be those with the businesses and the money and the connections. Not the randomers who are all raping the kids and keeping them in dungeons and shit. I just don't get it. Sorry for late reply, I went out last night. 1. No not just because he used the word peaceful, the entire message that he put out had no suggestion that anyone should be anything other than law abiding. 2. I do believe the election was stolen. Trump had more votes than anyone had ever had in American history. Yet Biden, a man who can't speak also managed to get more votes than anyone in Americas history, with hundreds of thousands of votes appearing overnight. Epstein was killed because Clinton and Obama had visited the island. If Trumps name was on that list it would have been released. They would have been so excited to get it out there. Anyone who knows anything about the Clinton's disappears. legacyfirearmsco.com/news/the-list-of-clinton-associates-who-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/Obamas chef died in an accident recently too, and guess what so did Clinton's. What are the odds? 3. You may have noticed that all celebrities and mainstream media turned on twitter and all celebrities started threads accounts. It's all because musk exposed some truths and he refuses to be controlled or bought. I'm not particularly a fan of musk, but I admire his transparency. Read through the twitter files and at the very least you'll wonder why it didn't make the news. 4. Largely in agreement with each other here - until you mention Trump. The media loved him until he dared to try and drain the swamp. Nobody called him a racist until the media said it a thousand times. The zombies just believe that he is a racist, regardless of the fact that he had the most diverse cabinet in United States history at the time. Everything he said about covid they portrayed as lies and racist. Now 4 years later they are confirming that it did come from where trump said. Only the same media that said it was racist for him to say it now don't have a problem with it being said by the current regime. During the civil sexual case against him they found him guilty of one crime against a woman they never even successfully proved that he had ever met. They had the 'victim' on the news after and she said 'rape is sexy' before they cut the interview. 5. You're right about trust/mistrust of media, I don't just go about life trusting sources from trump supporters. I was raised very left wing. I look at both sides and make my own mind up. I have my eyes open enough to know that each one of trumps indictments has come a day after a Biden family scandal was happening in the courts. Imagine the coincidence. The reason I mistrust the media around trump is because I listen to what I hear him say with my own ears and not what the news tells me that he said. The reason I won't believe that he incited violence is because I saw the tweet with my own eyes and therefore believe my own eyes over the media. Hope I responded to the majority of what you said, your post was pretty long. It's great to see other viewpoints and feel free to respond, I'll be concentrating on football from now until the weekend is over but I'm sure I'll be back for more trump soon. I'm as fascinated with him as the rest of the world is. Also, when you mentioned previously about looking up vivek. Look up kari lake too, she has huge political potential in my opinion. Excellent post mate and spot on. rumble.com/v2pzxl0-dinesh-desousas-2000-mules.htmlIt's a well known fact that loads of Jan 6th protestors were antifa type infiltrators and those that were genuine Trump supporters were understandably angry at the election being stolen. Twitter blocking and represing things that they know could would of changed the outcome, media bias, mail in ballots, the corruption was rife. When Trump wins in 2024 I just hope crooked Hillary, bent sleepy Joe Biden and all the other cultural marxist agitators get what's coming to them, ie a long stint in guantanamo. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 26, 2023 10:39:40 GMT
Biden won the popular vote as did Clinton. Trump was also very close to Epstein. Both of these are established fact mate. The popular vote is irrelevant because they don’t use it The Clinton’s were close to Epstein The poster stated "Trump got more votes" not me. I know they were and so was Trump. He's going to Jail not because of some left wing plot but because he tried to sabotage democracy. It's not hard to understand this. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 26, 2023 10:40:10 GMT
Sorry for late reply, I went out last night. 1. No not just because he used the word peaceful, the entire message that he put out had no suggestion that anyone should be anything other than law abiding. 2. I do believe the election was stolen. Trump had more votes than anyone had ever had in American history. Yet Biden, a man who can't speak also managed to get more votes than anyone in Americas history, with hundreds of thousands of votes appearing overnight. Epstein was killed because Clinton and Obama had visited the island. If Trumps name was on that list it would have been released. They would have been so excited to get it out there. Anyone who knows anything about the Clinton's disappears. legacyfirearmsco.com/news/the-list-of-clinton-associates-who-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/Obamas chef died in an accident recently too, and guess what so did Clinton's. What are the odds? 3. You may have noticed that all celebrities and mainstream media turned on twitter and all celebrities started threads accounts. It's all because musk exposed some truths and he refuses to be controlled or bought. I'm not particularly a fan of musk, but I admire his transparency. Read through the twitter files and at the very least you'll wonder why it didn't make the news. 4. Largely in agreement with each other here - until you mention Trump. The media loved him until he dared to try and drain the swamp. Nobody called him a racist until the media said it a thousand times. The zombies just believe that he is a racist, regardless of the fact that he had the most diverse cabinet in United States history at the time. Everything he said about covid they portrayed as lies and racist. Now 4 years later they are confirming that it did come from where trump said. Only the same media that said it was racist for him to say it now don't have a problem with it being said by the current regime. During the civil sexual case against him they found him guilty of one crime against a woman they never even successfully proved that he had ever met. They had the 'victim' on the news after and she said 'rape is sexy' before they cut the interview. 5. You're right about trust/mistrust of media, I don't just go about life trusting sources from trump supporters. I was raised very left wing. I look at both sides and make my own mind up. I have my eyes open enough to know that each one of trumps indictments has come a day after a Biden family scandal was happening in the courts. Imagine the coincidence. The reason I mistrust the media around trump is because I listen to what I hear him say with my own ears and not what the news tells me that he said. The reason I won't believe that he incited violence is because I saw the tweet with my own eyes and therefore believe my own eyes over the media. Hope I responded to the majority of what you said, your post was pretty long. It's great to see other viewpoints and feel free to respond, I'll be concentrating on football from now until the weekend is over but I'm sure I'll be back for more trump soon. I'm as fascinated with him as the rest of the world is. Also, when you mentioned previously about looking up vivek. Look up kari lake too, she has huge political potential in my opinion. Excellent post mate and spot on. rumble.com/v2pzxl0-dinesh-desousas-2000-mules.htmlIt's a well known fact that loads of Jan 6th protestors were antifa type infiltrators and those that were genuine Trump supporters were understandably angry at the election being stolen. Twitter blocking and represing things that they know could would of changed the outcome, media bias, mail in ballots, the corruption was rife. When Trump wins in 2024 I just hope crooked Hillary, bent sleepy Joe Biden and all the other cultural marxist agitators get what's coming to them, ie a long stint in guantanamo. Edit: Plenty of Trump supporters are pricks, they're humans and humans have a tendency to be pricks. But when you compare them to Biden/Democrat type supporters there is no comparison. Have you ever noticed that people of that mindset always seem to be soft and weak and feeble, kind of effeminate as if they are lacking in testosterone. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 26, 2023 10:41:00 GMT
Sorry for late reply, I went out last night. 1. No not just because he used the word peaceful, the entire message that he put out had no suggestion that anyone should be anything other than law abiding. 2. I do believe the election was stolen. Trump had more votes than anyone had ever had in American history. Yet Biden, a man who can't speak also managed to get more votes than anyone in Americas history, with hundreds of thousands of votes appearing overnight. Epstein was killed because Clinton and Obama had visited the island. If Trumps name was on that list it would have been released. They would have been so excited to get it out there. Anyone who knows anything about the Clinton's disappears. legacyfirearmsco.com/news/the-list-of-clinton-associates-who-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/Obamas chef died in an accident recently too, and guess what so did Clinton's. What are the odds? 3. You may have noticed that all celebrities and mainstream media turned on twitter and all celebrities started threads accounts. It's all because musk exposed some truths and he refuses to be controlled or bought. I'm not particularly a fan of musk, but I admire his transparency. Read through the twitter files and at the very least you'll wonder why it didn't make the news. 4. Largely in agreement with each other here - until you mention Trump. The media loved him until he dared to try and drain the swamp. Nobody called him a racist until the media said it a thousand times. The zombies just believe that he is a racist, regardless of the fact that he had the most diverse cabinet in United States history at the time. Everything he said about covid they portrayed as lies and racist. Now 4 years later they are confirming that it did come from where trump said. Only the same media that said it was racist for him to say it now don't have a problem with it being said by the current regime. During the civil sexual case against him they found him guilty of one crime against a woman they never even successfully proved that he had ever met. They had the 'victim' on the news after and she said 'rape is sexy' before they cut the interview. 5. You're right about trust/mistrust of media, I don't just go about life trusting sources from trump supporters. I was raised very left wing. I look at both sides and make my own mind up. I have my eyes open enough to know that each one of trumps indictments has come a day after a Biden family scandal was happening in the courts. Imagine the coincidence. The reason I mistrust the media around trump is because I listen to what I hear him say with my own ears and not what the news tells me that he said. The reason I won't believe that he incited violence is because I saw the tweet with my own eyes and therefore believe my own eyes over the media. Hope I responded to the majority of what you said, your post was pretty long. It's great to see other viewpoints and feel free to respond, I'll be concentrating on football from now until the weekend is over but I'm sure I'll be back for more trump soon. I'm as fascinated with him as the rest of the world is. Also, when you mentioned previously about looking up vivek. Look up kari lake too, she has huge political potential in my opinion. Excellent post mate and spot on. rumble.com/v2pzxl0-dinesh-desousas-2000-mules.htmlIt's a well known fact that loads of Jan 6th protestors were antifa type infiltrators and those that were genuine Trump supporters were understandably angry at the election being stolen. Twitter blocking and represing things that they know could would of changed the outcome, media bias, mail in ballots, the corruption was rife. When Trump wins in 2024 I just hope crooked Hillary, bent sleepy Joe Biden and all the other cultural marxist agitators get what's coming to them, ie a long stint in guantanamo. Jesus wept crappy. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 26, 2023 10:42:45 GMT
Excellent post mate and spot on. rumble.com/v2pzxl0-dinesh-desousas-2000-mules.htmlIt's a well known fact that loads of Jan 6th protestors were antifa type infiltrators and those that were genuine Trump supporters were understandably angry at the election being stolen. Twitter blocking and represing things that they know could would of changed the outcome, media bias, mail in ballots, the corruption was rife. When Trump wins in 2024 I just hope crooked Hillary, bent sleepy Joe Biden and all the other cultural marxist agitators get what's coming to them, ie a long stint in guantanamo. Jesus wept crappy. Can you define what a women is? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 26, 2023 10:45:02 GMT
Can you define what a women is? Try sticking to the subject mate..you've been back 5 minutes and you're already making a fool of yourself. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 26, 2023 10:45:50 GMT
Can you define what a women is? Try sticking to the subject mate..you've been back 5 minutes and you're already making a fool of yourself. Didn't think so, as I expected. |
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Post by desman2 on Aug 26, 2023 10:50:09 GMT
I think the democrats. Party, leaning media, electorate etc undermined trumps election victory from the start. Right or wrong he was elected. They never expected Hillary to lose A bit like how the eu brigade tried to undermine the Brexit vote. The brexiteers have run the country for the last 4 years. Brecit is a disaster because it was a terrible idea. A bit like Trump. But only Trump incited violence in an attempt to overthrow the US democratic system. When was that concerning Trump. |
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Post by desman2 on Aug 26, 2023 10:51:41 GMT
The popular vote is irrelevant because they don’t use it The Clinton’s were close to Epstein The poster stated "Trump got more votes" not me. I know they were and so was Trump. He's going to Jail not because of spme left wing plot but because he tried to sabotage democracy. It's not hard to understand this. He wont go to jail. You can guarantee it. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 26, 2023 11:22:13 GMT
The brexiteers have run the country for the last 4 years. Brecit is a disaster because it was a terrible idea. A bit like Trump. But only Trump incited violence in an attempt to overthrow the US democratic system. When was that concerning Trump. His speech that led to the riot at the Capitol |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 26, 2023 11:26:59 GMT
The poster stated "Trump got more votes" not me. I know they were and so was Trump. He's going to Jail not because of spme left wing plot but because he tried to sabotage democracy. It's not hard to understand this. He wont go to jail. You can guarantee it. He most certainly will. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 26, 2023 11:39:00 GMT
The poster stated "Trump got more votes" not me. I know they were and so was Trump. He's going to Jail not because of spme left wing plot but because he tried to sabotage democracy. It's not hard to understand this. He wont go to jail. You can guarantee it. 100% he won't mate, crooked Hillary will though. |
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Post by wannabee on Aug 26, 2023 12:16:37 GMT
* This is an interesting observation, but it's not factual accurate. There are 5 Countries in Europe with an average income higher than in US Top 10 Countries By Average Income Country Average annual income Monaco $186,080 Bermuda $122,470 Switzerland $90,600 Luxembourg $88,190 Norway $83,880 Ireland $76,110 United States $70,930 Denmark $68,300 Singapore $64,010 Iceland $63,460 www.zippia.com/advice/average-income-worldwide/** I have no idea where UK is in the table other than not in Top 10 Come on mate. I say Americans are richer than Europeans and you point to a few low population countries to say it’s not factually correct. I’m fairly surely you understand how averages (both mean and median) work. You point out that UK isn’t in the top ten in your list (which is sort oft point) alongside France, Italy, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Austria, etc etc. It’s a constant surprise to me how little people in Europe (and perhaps Brits especially) realise just how rich the average American actually is. I do think its one reason why Europeans are constantly surprised by American politics. If you had used a caveat on population size I would have had no reason to make a correction In any case my point was to debunk your theory as nonsensical In my experience of working in the East Coast, West Coast and Mid West where most of my colleagues and friends would have incomes well above the median it had no influence on their Politics What I did observe was a surprisingly low engagement with National Politics which is reflected in low Electoral turnout Of those that do engage they are very committed and unswerving either from the Faith and Flag / Committed Conservatives on the one hand to Progressive Left / Establishment Liberals on the other. It is why the battleground is actually quite small. As in almost every Countries Election the number one issue is The Economy no matter what Socio-Economic bracket you come from |
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Post by lonestarstokie on Aug 26, 2023 12:22:21 GMT
L - Law and order
G - Guns
B - Beer
T - Trump
MAGA 🇺🇸
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Post by salopstick on Aug 26, 2023 12:53:30 GMT
The popular vote is irrelevant because they don’t use it The Clinton’s were close to Epstein The poster stated "Trump got more votes" not me. I know they were and so was Trump. He's going to Jail not because of some left wing plot but because he tried to sabotage democracy. It's not hard to understand this. He’s not going to jail. Behave |
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 26, 2023 13:38:09 GMT
He wont go to jail. You can guarantee it. He most certainly will. Unfortunately I don't think he will. It actually may trigger a civil war if he did which is just crazy, Trump supporters are nuts and believe everything he says. As a conman he's done a good number on the American people, the fact he got so much support in the last election proves it. Most of the armed forces and police are likely to be Trump supporters too which may play a part if a civil war did break out. Crazy times in the US so anything could happen, I honestly think they are stupid enough. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 26, 2023 13:44:43 GMT
Unfortunately I don't think he will. It actually may trigger a civil war if he did which is just crazy, Trump supporters are nuts and believe everything he says. As a conman he's done a good number on the American people, the fact he got so much support in the last election proves it. Most of the armed forces and police are likely to be Trump supporters too which may play a part if a civil war did break out. Crazy times in the US so anything could happen, I honestly think they are stupid enough. As another poster said last night I can't see a civil war but if Trump went to prison (he won't) he'd be a political prisoner and that would almost certainly spark the patriots into action not only in the US but elsewhere including the UK as Trump has many supporters overseas especially here in the UK. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2023 16:16:46 GMT
The cost of Trump going to jail would be ridiculous and I’d be annoyed to pay it. I have no desire to see him in prison.
There won’t be a civil war because of it. There will be riots.
Mostly though, the cost of putting him in prison would be placed on the need to keep his fat mouth shut. He can’t be trusted with national security in the best of times, imagine what he’d do in the worst!
Best case for my taxpayer dollars: he is convicted, pardoned under conditions and sods off.
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 26, 2023 16:27:37 GMT
The cost of Trump going to jail would be ridiculous and I’d be annoyed to pay it. I have no desire to see him in prison. There won’t be a civil war because of it. There will be riots. Mostly though, the cost of putting him in prison would be placed on the need to keep his fat mouth shut. He can’t be trusted with national security in the best of times, imagine what he’d do in the worst! Best case for my taxpayer dollars: he is convicted, pardoned under conditions and sods off. Imagine the people he could (and will) expose and drop in it. |
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Post by Gawa on Aug 26, 2023 16:38:13 GMT
1. So because he used the word peaceful, that means he didn't incite violence? So lets say for example I have millions of followers who I have a huge amount of influence over that follow me across the country to show their support. And lets say I tweet "King Charles has raped and killed thousands of children, we know it's true and we have the evidence. Everyone gather at Buckingham Palace peacefully". And then long behold lots of people roll up where I told them to go and behave violently as they are outraged by what they've just learned. Does that not make me slightly accountable because without my tweet nobody would have turned up at Buckingham Palace in their droves and no violence would have occurred. Or at the very least a helluva lot less? 2. This paragraph doesn't make sense for alot of people because of my point 1. It makes sense to you because I guess you believe the election was stolen from Trump and it is all a huge conspiracy to keep the reigning president out of office. I'm not sure the reason for the corruption as I don't follow QANON and stuff but isn't it because Trump (previously best friends with one of Americas biggest pedos who died under his 24 hour watch) was going to expose all the corrupt liberals who have dungeons like Oprah filled with kids they rape and drink the blood of to stay young? Or something like this. Because the illumanti who control the world are all liberals with a common shared interest in paedophilia, notably not so interested in any financial crimes, and Trump is here to save our children? You can see why the average person like me finds it a bit far fetched. 3. When did the media turn Musk into a villain? He's still regularly portrayed very well in the media. People like me thought he was a cunt long before Twitter. And it seems I'm not alone, there's a thread there of people slagging him 5 years ago - oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/280949/elon-musk4. 100% agree about not being a zombie and believing everything you see on TV. All you need to do is read the thread about the UK government and you'll find the vast majority of the stories on there often go unreported on the BBC, Daily Mail, Telegraph etc.. But with the trump stuff I don't see anything coming from them outside of main stream media which is anything more than opinion. We keep hearing about the election being stolen. But where's the proof or evidence? Why was it so easy to steal when he lost but when he won it wasn't stolen? Or Pizzagate and all these other mad theories. Again mostly opinion pieces with very little evidence. Whereas the stuff in the government thread about the corruption of the conservative government which goes unreported, well it's there with facts alongside it. Whether it be accounts from a company which benefited from tory contracts and their connections to tory members, or if its about the directors in the BBC and their links to the conservative party, or if it's about Kwami-Kasi and his links to businessmen who made lots of money from the economy crashing. But "Oprah has a dungeon filled with kids she drinks blood from to stay young" doesn't really convince me no matter how many likes the facebook post has. I need more than just a baseless accusation with next to no evidence. 5. I find the distrust of MSM stuff quite dangerous too. Because while I agree it's important to look at lots of different sources of information to get a balanced view and to ensure you're doing your due diligence. It feels very much to me that for Trump supporters it's now a case of "unless it's coming from us, you can't trust anything from any other source" and that's quite dangerous because you're putting your full 100% faith into what any Trump supporting media will tell you. To me I just think there's a lack of inquisitiveness sometimes from some of his supporters. But then maybe people like yourself would say that about me with Jeremy Corbyn too who also had the MSM against him. I just found his rhetoric about inequality and greed and how the top 1% have more wealth than half the world like alot more believable and stuff I could get behind to try and make the world a more fair place. Whereas if he went down the route of telling me that the super rich people (like elon musk) aren't the ones we should be concerned about but instead it's random tv presenters with much less money than the insanely rich that are the problem. And the reason for that is because all of them are pedophiles and we have to protect our kids. I'd expect the people who have the most influence over the world to be those with the businesses and the money and the connections. Not the randomers who are all raping the kids and keeping them in dungeons and shit. I just don't get it. Sorry for late reply, I went out last night. 1. No not just because he used the word peaceful, the entire message that he put out had no suggestion that anyone should be anything other than law abiding. 2. I do believe the election was stolen. Trump had more votes than anyone had ever had in American history. Yet Biden, a man who can't speak also managed to get more votes than anyone in Americas history, with hundreds of thousands of votes appearing overnight. Epstein was killed because Clinton and Obama had visited the island. If Trumps name was on that list it would have been released. They would have been so excited to get it out there. Anyone who knows anything about the Clinton's disappears. legacyfirearmsco.com/news/the-list-of-clinton-associates-who-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/Obamas chef died in an accident recently too, and guess what so did Clinton's. What are the odds? 3. You may have noticed that all celebrities and mainstream media turned on twitter and all celebrities started threads accounts. It's all because musk exposed some truths and he refuses to be controlled or bought. I'm not particularly a fan of musk, but I admire his transparency. Read through the twitter files and at the very least you'll wonder why it didn't make the news. 4. Largely in agreement with each other here - until you mention Trump. The media loved him until he dared to try and drain the swamp. Nobody called him a racist until the media said it a thousand times. The zombies just believe that he is a racist, regardless of the fact that he had the most diverse cabinet in United States history at the time. Everything he said about covid they portrayed as lies and racist. Now 4 years later they are confirming that it did come from where trump said. Only the same media that said it was racist for him to say it now don't have a problem with it being said by the current regime. During the civil sexual case against him they found him guilty of one crime against a woman they never even successfully proved that he had ever met. They had the 'victim' on the news after and she said 'rape is sexy' before they cut the interview. 5. You're right about trust/mistrust of media, I don't just go about life trusting sources from trump supporters. I was raised very left wing. I look at both sides and make my own mind up. I have my eyes open enough to know that each one of trumps indictments has come a day after a Biden family scandal was happening in the courts. Imagine the coincidence. The reason I mistrust the media around trump is because I listen to what I hear him say with my own ears and not what the news tells me that he said. The reason I won't believe that he incited violence is because I saw the tweet with my own eyes and therefore believe my own eyes over the media. Hope I responded to the majority of what you said, your post was pretty long. It's great to see other viewpoints and feel free to respond, I'll be concentrating on football from now until the weekend is over but I'm sure I'll be back for more trump soon. I'm as fascinated with him as the rest of the world is. Also, when you mentioned previously about looking up vivek. Look up kari lake too, she has huge political potential in my opinion. I'll try to reply when I can mate. Got guests staying this weekend so quite busy. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 26, 2023 17:43:42 GMT
Sorry for late reply, I went out last night. 1. No not just because he used the word peaceful, the entire message that he put out had no suggestion that anyone should be anything other than law abiding. 2. I do believe the election was stolen. Trump had more votes than anyone had ever had in American history. Yet Biden, a man who can't speak also managed to get more votes than anyone in Americas history, with hundreds of thousands of votes appearing overnight. Epstein was killed because Clinton and Obama had visited the island. If Trumps name was on that list it would have been released. They would have been so excited to get it out there. Anyone who knows anything about the Clinton's disappears. legacyfirearmsco.com/news/the-list-of-clinton-associates-who-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/Obamas chef died in an accident recently too, and guess what so did Clinton's. What are the odds? 3. You may have noticed that all celebrities and mainstream media turned on twitter and all celebrities started threads accounts. It's all because musk exposed some truths and he refuses to be controlled or bought. I'm not particularly a fan of musk, but I admire his transparency. Read through the twitter files and at the very least you'll wonder why it didn't make the news. 4. Largely in agreement with each other here - until you mention Trump. The media loved him until he dared to try and drain the swamp. Nobody called him a racist until the media said it a thousand times. The zombies just believe that he is a racist, regardless of the fact that he had the most diverse cabinet in United States history at the time. Everything he said about covid they portrayed as lies and racist. Now 4 years later they are confirming that it did come from where trump said. Only the same media that said it was racist for him to say it now don't have a problem with it being said by the current regime. During the civil sexual case against him they found him guilty of one crime against a woman they never even successfully proved that he had ever met. They had the 'victim' on the news after and she said 'rape is sexy' before they cut the interview. 5. You're right about trust/mistrust of media, I don't just go about life trusting sources from trump supporters. I was raised very left wing. I look at both sides and make my own mind up. I have my eyes open enough to know that each one of trumps indictments has come a day after a Biden family scandal was happening in the courts. Imagine the coincidence. The reason I mistrust the media around trump is because I listen to what I hear him say with my own ears and not what the news tells me that he said. The reason I won't believe that he incited violence is because I saw the tweet with my own eyes and therefore believe my own eyes over the media. Hope I responded to the majority of what you said, your post was pretty long. It's great to see other viewpoints and feel free to respond, I'll be concentrating on football from now until the weekend is over but I'm sure I'll be back for more trump soon. I'm as fascinated with him as the rest of the world is. Also, when you mentioned previously about looking up vivek. Look up kari lake too, she has huge political potential in my opinion. I'll try to reply when I can mate. Got guests staying this weekend so quite busy. OK I can take the hint, if you want me to go home just say 😳. |
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Post by lordb on Aug 26, 2023 18:00:07 GMT
The cost of Trump going to jail would be ridiculous and I’d be annoyed to pay it. I have no desire to see him in prison. There won’t be a civil war because of it. There will be riots. Mostly though, the cost of putting him in prison would be placed on the need to keep his fat mouth shut. He can’t be trusted with national security in the best of times, imagine what he’d do in the worst! Best case for my taxpayer dollars: he is convicted, pardoned under conditions and sods off. Riots and counter riots? |
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Post by swampmongrel on Aug 26, 2023 18:21:32 GMT
Come on mate. I say Americans are richer than Europeans and you point to a few low population countries to say it’s not factually correct. I’m fairly surely you understand how averages (both mean and median) work. You point out that UK isn’t in the top ten in your list (which is sort oft point) alongside France, Italy, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Austria, etc etc. It’s a constant surprise to me how little people in Europe (and perhaps Brits especially) realise just how rich the average American actually is. I do think its one reason why Europeans are constantly surprised by American politics. If you had used a caveat on population size I would have had no reason to make a correction In any case my point was to debunk your theory as nonsensical In my experience of working in the East Coast, West Coast and Mid West where most of my colleagues and friends would have incomes well above the median it had no influence on their Politics What I did observe was a surprisingly low engagement with National Politics which is reflected in low Electoral turnout Of those that do engage they are very committed and unswerving either from the Faith and Flag / Committed Conservatives on the one hand to Progressive Left / Establishment Liberals on the other. It is why the battleground is actually quite small. As in almost every Countries Election the number one issue is The Economy no matter what Socio-Economic bracket you come from . Pomposity and innumeracy in the same post. |
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Post by swampmongrel on Aug 26, 2023 18:25:22 GMT
If you had used a caveat on population size I would have had no reason to make a correction In any case my point was to debunk your theory as nonsensical In my experience of working in the East Coast, West Coast and Mid West where most of my colleagues and friends would have incomes well above the median it had no influence on their Politics What I did observe was a surprisingly low engagement with National Politics which is reflected in low Electoral turnout Of those that do engage they are very committed and unswerving either from the Faith and Flag / Committed Conservatives on the one hand to Progressive Left / Establishment Liberals on the other. It is why the battleground is actually quite small. As in almost every Countries Election the number one issue is The Economy no matter what Socio-Economic bracket you come from . Pomposity and innumeracy in the same post. I actually think the theory in my post is arguable. I’m not very convinced of it myself. The fact that US households are much richer than European ones is not arguable. Pointing to lists that show small parts of zeurige are also rich does not invalidate that fact. Oatcake ‘maths’ 🙄 |
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Post by Gawa on Aug 26, 2023 18:56:39 GMT
I'll try to reply when I can mate. Got guests staying this weekend so quite busy. OK I can take the hint, if you want me to go home just say 😳. 🤣🤣 |
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Post by wannabee on Aug 26, 2023 18:59:36 GMT
If you had used a caveat on population size I would have had no reason to make a correction In any case my point was to debunk your theory as nonsensical In my experience of working in the East Coast, West Coast and Mid West where most of my colleagues and friends would have incomes well above the median it had no influence on their Politics What I did observe was a surprisingly low engagement with National Politics which is reflected in low Electoral turnout Of those that do engage they are very committed and unswerving either from the Faith and Flag / Committed Conservatives on the one hand to Progressive Left / Establishment Liberals on the other. It is why the battleground is actually quite small. As in almost every Countries Election the number one issue is The Economy no matter what Socio-Economic bracket you come from . Pomposity and innumeracy in the same post. Beats Stupidity and Fallacy Hands Down |
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Post by wannabee on Aug 26, 2023 19:17:49 GMT
. Pomposity and innumeracy in the same post. I actually think the theory in my post is arguable. I’m not very convinced of it myself. The fact that US households are much richer than European ones is not arguable. Pointing to lists that show small parts of zeurige are also rich does not invalidate that fact. Oatcake ‘maths’ 🙄 Your original premis was US Wealth influenced Politics which is a non sequitur as people of equal Income are just as likely to vote Republican as Democrat |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2023 19:37:55 GMT
. Pomposity and innumeracy in the same post. I actually think the theory in my post is arguable. I’m not very convinced of it myself. The fact that US households are much richer than European ones is not arguable. Pointing to lists that show small parts of zeurige are also rich does not invalidate that fact. Oatcake ‘maths’ 🙄 Richer until you factor in the “other”. My wife’s insurance doesn’t cover IVF, so we’ve had to find $40k for that so far. She doesn’t get maternity leave, so if it works, we have to figure that out. It’ll also cost about $4k for the delivery. State pension is awful, so if you want to retire at a decent age, you best get saving. Income tax is lower but the extra taxes like property tax (house and car) apply annually and cut into any space you are making for yourself. That’s especially painful for those who live in an area that gets renovated. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 26, 2023 23:39:41 GMT
The poster stated "Trump got more votes" not me. I know they were and so was Trump. He's going to Jail not because of some left wing plot but because he tried to sabotage democracy. It's not hard to understand this. He’s not going to jail. Behave He most certainly is mate. Believe. |
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