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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 13:55:09 GMT
Some of them are bonkers, yes. Some people look at Trump and see something very different than a fat man in makeup and a wig. However, I have friends who are Trump supporters, or at least, who voted for him the first two times. They aren’t all like this. My friends are simply not that excited about abortion, nervous about losing their gun licenses and desperate for the US to stay on top. While I believe they are wrong about believing Trump will do the latter, he’s certainly more likely to implement policies in their favour for the other two than most Democrats.
No they aren't all like this but thousands upon thousands of them are, it's like a cult.
And I'm sure many republican candidates would also give your friends what they want, it doesn't have to be Trump I'd guess?
They would, but at the same time, they’d still rather see a Republican in there than a Democrat. Out of all of them, I think Haley is the one I’d be most likely to vote for, if I were to get citizenship before then. The reality is that I’d still mostly likely vote for Biden, but I think that Haley is an incredibly strong women who has conviction in her beliefs, is willing to say what she actually believes in, but is also willing to change her opinion when needed: ie removal of the Confederate flag. I don’t like her foreign policy stance (removal from the Iran deal) at all. I do like her logic on abortion legislation and her more pro-life attitudes. I like that she’s continuously risen up the political ladder, not entrenched in the system but also not a novice (why give someone with no experience such an important job?). There are far, far better options than Trump for the country. However, his popularity with certain aspects of the Republican Party make him the most likely candidate to win the race for nominee. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 13:59:02 GMT
Fox news are bias towards trump? I don't see where I mentioned fox news. Fox news are definitely more favourable of conservatives as a whole and more favourable to trump than a lot of other networks. But then they sacked Tucker Carlson out of nowhere once he started doing real journalistic work that proved trumps innocence in the January 6 scandal. I couldn't figure out why at the time but now this latest indictment has come I understand why the powers that be prevented those sort of positive stories proving his innocence being in the public domain. You did mention MSM. Fox News are the biggest MSM outlet in the country. Tucker Carlson: a “man’s man” with a penchant for makeup. A “journalist” whose own lawyers used the line that most rational viewers know that he lies and doesn’t base arguments on facts to help him get out of legal trouble. What a beacon of truth he is 😂 |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 25, 2023 14:03:58 GMT
No they aren't all like this but thousands upon thousands of them are, it's like a cult.
And I'm sure many republican candidates would also give your friends what they want, it doesn't have to be Trump I'd guess?
They would, but at the same time, they’d still rather see a Republican in there than a Democrat. Out of all of them, I think Haley is the one I’d be most likely to vote for, if I were to get citizenship before then. The reality is that I’d still mostly likely vote for Biden, but I think that Haley is an incredibly strong women who has conviction in her beliefs, is willing to say what she actually believes in, but is also willing to change her opinion when needed: ie removal of the Confederate flag. I don’t like her foreign policy stance (removal from the Iran deal) at all. I do like her logic on abortion legislation and her more pro-life attitudes. I like that she’s continuously risen up the political ladder, not entrenched in the system but also not a novice (why give someone with no experience such an important job?). There are far, far better options than Trump for the country. However, his popularity with certain aspects of the Republican Party make him the most likely candidate to win the race for nominee.
Oh indeed, an election between Nikki Haley and Michelle Obama would be far healthier for both the country and the world.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 14:11:15 GMT
They would, but at the same time, they’d still rather see a Republican in there than a Democrat. Out of all of them, I think Haley is the one I’d be most likely to vote for, if I were to get citizenship before then. The reality is that I’d still mostly likely vote for Biden, but I think that Haley is an incredibly strong women who has conviction in her beliefs, is willing to say what she actually believes in, but is also willing to change her opinion when needed: ie removal of the Confederate flag. I don’t like her foreign policy stance (removal from the Iran deal) at all. I do like her logic on abortion legislation and her more pro-life attitudes. I like that she’s continuously risen up the political ladder, not entrenched in the system but also not a novice (why give someone with no experience such an important job?). There are far, far better options than Trump for the country. However, his popularity with certain aspects of the Republican Party make him the most likely candidate to win the race for nominee.
Oh indeed, an election between Nikki Haley and Michelle Obama would be far healthier for both the country and the world.
As it stands, I’d vote for Haley 😂 Obama has never given an impression of wanting to be involved in politics. She’s also got no experience of politics (I don’t think that being the President’s wife counts). I wouldn’t employ a chemist to run my biology experiments, I wouldn’t vote for a First Lady to be a President. But I do get your point. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 25, 2023 14:21:31 GMT
1st post back on Twitter 😂 Is this legit...? Or just some goon knocking something up...? Shouldnt he have his orange type 'slipknot overalls' on with a card in front of him with his number on....? |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 14:27:16 GMT
1st post back on Twitter 😂 Is this legit...? Or just some goon knocking something up...? Shouldnt he have his orange type 'slipknot overalls' on with a card in front of him with his number on....? Fuck knows mate could be legit could be bollocks, who knows in this weird virtual world that we live in. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 25, 2023 14:27:52 GMT
Oh indeed, an election between Nikki Haley and Michelle Obama would be far healthier for both the country and the world.
As it stands, I’d vote for Haley 😂 Obama has never given an impression of wanting to be involved in politics. She’s also got no experience of politics (I don’t think that being the President’s wife counts). I wouldn’t employ a chemist to run my biology experiments, I wouldn’t vote for a First Lady to be a President. But I do get your point. Although I suspect Stanley is probably wrong (sadly). |
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Post by st3mark on Aug 25, 2023 14:34:00 GMT
I don't see where I mentioned fox news. Fox news are definitely more favourable of conservatives as a whole and more favourable to trump than a lot of other networks. But then they sacked Tucker Carlson out of nowhere once he started doing real journalistic work that proved trumps innocence in the January 6 scandal. I couldn't figure out why at the time but now this latest indictment has come I understand why the powers that be prevented those sort of positive stories proving his innocence being in the public domain. Please provide me with the "evidence" that proves Trump is innocent. Well for a start I saw the social media post they claimed incited the violence with my own eyes before they deleted it and banned him from the platform. He asked his supporters to be peaceful. I've never known any incitement of violence to have the word peaceful in it. Once Musk took over twitter and released the twitter files he re-released the post, released the emails between the old twitter staff and the Whitehouse where they discussed how to ban him even though his tweet was lawful. And guess what? Mainstream media chose not to report. If it was true it would have been the biggest scandal of the century, but if it was a lie it still would have been one of the biggest scandals. So why not report it????? Instead the media then turned Musk into a villain. Even though there wasn't any issues before he started exposing the truth. This day in age its about opening your eyes up to what they aren't showing you and not being a zombie who just believes everything they see on TV. His latest allegation is that he dared to question the integrity of the election. The most blatantly corrupted election since Bill the butcher died but even if it was a legit election and we can pretend a record number of people voted for a man who cant string a sentence together, is it really worthy of an international harassment because he dared to question it? You have made your own mind up and thats fine. I'd recommend doing your own research rather than relying on me to provide evidence to you, but certainly don't form an opinion on anyone based on media thats been forced upon you. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Aug 25, 2023 14:38:02 GMT
Reminds me of one of my favourite films, the classic The Remains of the Day. Sir Anthony Hopkins' character, the butler, is asked all manner of political and economic questions by an aristocrat who is a sympathiser of Hitler and facism. Mr Stevens' inability to answer these important questions is supposedly an argument against democracy. It makes you wonder for a second, although ultimately, people are poorly educated by the media, on all sides of the political spectrum. Democracy isn't the problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 14:38:30 GMT
As it stands, I’d vote for Haley 😂 Obama has never given an impression of wanting to be involved in politics. She’s also got no experience of politics (I don’t think that being the President’s wife counts). I wouldn’t employ a chemist to run my biology experiments, I wouldn’t vote for a First Lady to be a President. But I do get your point. Although I suspect Stanley is probably wrong (sadly). Haha, not a chance (in my opinion) that this happens. I think she’d dominate Trump to be honest (in debates). However, Trump often loses debates but wins the fight. It highlights the general weakness of the Democratic Party right now though. It’s always hard to shine under a President when you are in the same party but that there was no major competition for an older Biden at the business end of their last nomination cycle is a bit concerning. Michelle Obama would run on popularity rather than policy. She may well win because of that alone. She seems like an excellent woman and I would love to sit down and talk to her and ask her opinions on many topics. However, that doesn’t mean I’d be happy voting for her. I want politicians with experience in politics. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable request. I wouldn’t want some random off the street building my house, so why would I want them to build my country? |
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 25, 2023 14:45:04 GMT
The most alarming thing for me about Donald Trump is his reach. I have people on my Facebook who have no interest in politics in any shape or form that are Trump enthusiasts. And while I know many Trump supporters on here and in America have grown up with an interest and understanding in politics. Its those with little interest which concern me the most. One of then is a friend of mine since primary school. TikTok and Facebook is what he uses for his news sources. And it's not like huddys tweets which relate back to a credible source from a known publisher. These are just random people making videos speaking a load of shite unchallenged and they lap it up. It's very dangerous. I don't personally consider Trump right wing myself. This isn't traditional left/right politics at all. Its much more manipulative pulling on emotions and fear usually with very little political plan. Can anyone possibly inform me of any of Trumps political plans? Aside from building a wall which never happened. Has he ever had any other policies? Maybe some of his super fans can let us know more about his policies. Try checking the accuracy of any of those claims. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 14:56:10 GMT
Please provide me with the "evidence" that proves Trump is innocent. Well for a start I saw the social media post they claimed incited the violence with my own eyes before they deleted it and banned him from the platform. He asked his supporters to be peaceful. I've never known any incitement of violence to have the word peaceful in it. Once Musk took over twitter and released the twitter files he re-released the post, released the emails between the old twitter staff and the Whitehouse where they discussed how to ban him even though his tweet was lawful. And guess what? Mainstream media chose not to report. If it was true it would have been the biggest scandal of the century, but if it was a lie it still would have been one of the biggest scandals. So why not report it????? Instead the media then turned Musk into a villain. Even though there wasn't any issues before he started exposing the truth. This day in age its about opening your eyes up to what they aren't showing you and not being a zombie who just believes everything they see on TV. His latest allegation is that he dared to question the integrity of the election. The most blatantly corrupted election since Bill the butcher died but even if it was a legit election and we can pretend a record number of people voted for a man who cant string a sentence together, is it really worthy of an international harassment because he dared to question it? You have made your own mind up and thats fine. I'd recommend doing your own research rather than relying on me to provide evidence to you, but certainly don't form an opinion on anyone based on media thats been forced upon you. The election was legit mate, because I read it in the paper and saw it on the telly. rumble.com/v2pzxl0-dinesh-desousas-2000-mules.html |
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Post by marylandstoke on Aug 25, 2023 15:05:47 GMT
Dolly Parton for President.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 15:16:30 GMT
Well for a start I saw the social media post they claimed incited the violence with my own eyes before they deleted it and banned him from the platform. He asked his supporters to be peaceful. I've never known any incitement of violence to have the word peaceful in it. Once Musk took over twitter and released the twitter files he re-released the post, released the emails between the old twitter staff and the Whitehouse where they discussed how to ban him even though his tweet was lawful. And guess what? Mainstream media chose not to report. If it was true it would have been the biggest scandal of the century, but if it was a lie it still would have been one of the biggest scandals. So why not report it????? Instead the media then turned Musk into a villain. Even though there wasn't any issues before he started exposing the truth. This day in age its about opening your eyes up to what they aren't showing you and not being a zombie who just believes everything they see on TV. His latest allegation is that he dared to question the integrity of the election. The most blatantly corrupted election since Bill the butcher died but even if it was a legit election and we can pretend a record number of people voted for a man who cant string a sentence together, is it really worthy of an international harassment because he dared to question it? You have made your own mind up and thats fine. I'd recommend doing your own research rather than relying on me to provide evidence to you, but certainly don't form an opinion on anyone based on media thats been forced upon you. The election was legit mate, because I read it in the paper and saw it on the telly. rumble.com/v2pzxl0-dinesh-desousas-2000-mules.htmlAnd because Trump tried to challenge it in courts, with judges appointed by him, while he was in power, and failed 😂 |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 25, 2023 15:20:32 GMT
Please provide me with the "evidence" that proves Trump is innocent. Well for a start I saw the social media post they claimed incited the violence with my own eyes before they deleted it and banned him from the platform. He asked his supporters to be peaceful. I've never known any incitement of violence to have the word peaceful in it. Once Musk took over twitter and released the twitter files he re-released the post, released the emails between the old twitter staff and the Whitehouse where they discussed how to ban him even though his tweet was lawful. And guess what? Mainstream media chose not to report. If it was true it would have been the biggest scandal of the century, but if it was a lie it still would have been one of the biggest scandals. So why not report it????? Instead the media then turned Musk into a villain. Even though there wasn't any issues before he started exposing the truth. This day in age its about opening your eyes up to what they aren't showing you and not being a zombie who just believes everything they see on TV. His latest allegation is that he dared to question the integrity of the election. The most blatantly corrupted election since Bill the butcher died but even if it was a legit election and we can pretend a record number of people voted for a man who cant string a sentence together, is it really worthy of an international harassment because he dared to question it? You have made your own mind up and thats fine. I'd recommend doing your own research rather than relying on me to provide evidence to you, but certainly don't form an opinion on anyone based on media thats been forced upon you. I've made my mind up based on the indictments released by Jack Smith. Who's empirical evidence have you based your summary on? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 25, 2023 15:21:21 GMT
 MoiraAnne @missmoira100 THIS was the minute I knew. I've worked with special needs children for almost 20 years. I've seen 4 year olds with Cerebral Palsy work harder, care more, be kinder, smarter and a better person than this little man. I've been waiting since 2015 for today. Yes, this should have ended it right there. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 25, 2023 15:22:00 GMT
And because Trump tried to challenge it in courts, with judges appointed by him, while he was in power, and failed 😂 I am genuinely struggling to understabd how anyone can defend him. |
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Post by Gawa on Aug 25, 2023 15:25:00 GMT
Please provide me with the "evidence" that proves Trump is innocent. Well for a start I saw the social media post they claimed incited the violence with my own eyes before they deleted it and banned him from the platform. He asked his supporters to be peaceful. I've never known any incitement of violence to have the word peaceful in it. Once Musk took over twitter and released the twitter files he re-released the post, released the emails between the old twitter staff and the Whitehouse where they discussed how to ban him even though his tweet was lawful. And guess what? Mainstream media chose not to report. If it was true it would have been the biggest scandal of the century, but if it was a lie it still would have been one of the biggest scandals. So why not report it????? Instead the media then turned Musk into a villain. Even though there wasn't any issues before he started exposing the truth. This day in age its about opening your eyes up to what they aren't showing you and not being a zombie who just believes everything they see on TV. His latest allegation is that he dared to question the integrity of the election. The most blatantly corrupted election since Bill the butcher died but even if it was a legit election and we can pretend a record number of people voted for a man who cant string a sentence together, is it really worthy of an international harassment because he dared to question it? You have made your own mind up and thats fine. I'd recommend doing your own research rather than relying on me to provide evidence to you, but certainly don't form an opinion on anyone based on media thats been forced upon you. 1. So because he used the word peaceful, that means he didn't incite violence? So lets say for example I have millions of followers who I have a huge amount of influence over that follow me across the country to show their support. And lets say I tweet "King Charles has raped and killed thousands of children, we know it's true and we have the evidence. Everyone gather at Buckingham Palace peacefully". And then long behold lots of people roll up where I told them to go and behave violently as they are outraged by what they've just learned. Does that not make me slightly accountable because without my tweet nobody would have turned up at Buckingham Palace in their droves and no violence would have occurred. Or at the very least a helluva lot less? 2. This paragraph doesn't make sense for alot of people because of my point 1. It makes sense to you because I guess you believe the election was stolen from Trump and it is all a huge conspiracy to keep the reigning president out of office. I'm not sure the reason for the corruption as I don't follow QANON and stuff but isn't it because Trump (previously best friends with one of Americas biggest pedos who died under his 24 hour watch) was going to expose all the corrupt liberals who have dungeons like Oprah filled with kids they rape and drink the blood of to stay young? Or something like this. Because the illumanti who control the world are all liberals with a common shared interest in paedophilia, notably not so interested in any financial crimes, and Trump is here to save our children? You can see why the average person like me finds it a bit far fetched. 3. When did the media turn Musk into a villain? He's still regularly portrayed very well in the media. People like me thought he was a cunt long before Twitter. And it seems I'm not alone, there's a thread there of people slagging him 5 years ago - oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/280949/elon-musk4. 100% agree about not being a zombie and believing everything you see on TV. All you need to do is read the thread about the UK government and you'll find the vast majority of the stories on there often go unreported on the BBC, Daily Mail, Telegraph etc.. But with the trump stuff I don't see anything coming from them outside of main stream media which is anything more than opinion. We keep hearing about the election being stolen. But where's the proof or evidence? Why was it so easy to steal when he lost but when he won it wasn't stolen? Or Pizzagate and all these other mad theories. Again mostly opinion pieces with very little evidence. Whereas the stuff in the government thread about the corruption of the conservative government which goes unreported, well it's there with facts alongside it. Whether it be accounts from a company which benefited from tory contracts and their connections to tory members, or if its about the directors in the BBC and their links to the conservative party, or if it's about Kwami-Kasi and his links to businessmen who made lots of money from the economy crashing. But "Oprah has a dungeon filled with kids she drinks blood from to stay young" doesn't really convince me no matter how many likes the facebook post has. I need more than just a baseless accusation with next to no evidence. 5. I find the distrust of MSM stuff quite dangerous too. Because while I agree it's important to look at lots of different sources of information to get a balanced view and to ensure you're doing your due diligence. It feels very much to me that for Trump supporters it's now a case of "unless it's coming from us, you can't trust anything from any other source" and that's quite dangerous because you're putting your full 100% faith into what any Trump supporting media will tell you. To me I just think there's a lack of inquisitiveness sometimes from some of his supporters. But then maybe people like yourself would say that about me with Jeremy Corbyn too who also had the MSM against him. I just found his rhetoric about inequality and greed and how the top 1% have more wealth than half the world like alot more believable and stuff I could get behind to try and make the world a more fair place. Whereas if he went down the route of telling me that the super rich people (like elon musk) aren't the ones we should be concerned about but instead it's random tv presenters with much less money than the insanely rich that are the problem. And the reason for that is because all of them are pedophiles and we have to protect our kids. I'd expect the people who have the most influence over the world to be those with the businesses and the money and the connections. Not the randomers who are all raping the kids and keeping them in dungeons and shit. I just don't get it. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 15:25:00 GMT
And because Trump tried to challenge it in courts, with judges appointed by him, while he was in power, and failed 😂 It'll come to light, keep your eye on this trial and watch what the Don has up his sleeve. 😉 |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 15:33:13 GMT
Well for a start I saw the social media post they claimed incited the violence with my own eyes before they deleted it and banned him from the platform. He asked his supporters to be peaceful. I've never known any incitement of violence to have the word peaceful in it. Once Musk took over twitter and released the twitter files he re-released the post, released the emails between the old twitter staff and the Whitehouse where they discussed how to ban him even though his tweet was lawful. And guess what? Mainstream media chose not to report. If it was true it would have been the biggest scandal of the century, but if it was a lie it still would have been one of the biggest scandals. So why not report it????? Instead the media then turned Musk into a villain. Even though there wasn't any issues before he started exposing the truth. This day in age its about opening your eyes up to what they aren't showing you and not being a zombie who just believes everything they see on TV. His latest allegation is that he dared to question the integrity of the election. The most blatantly corrupted election since Bill the butcher died but even if it was a legit election and we can pretend a record number of people voted for a man who cant string a sentence together, is it really worthy of an international harassment because he dared to question it? You have made your own mind up and thats fine. I'd recommend doing your own research rather than relying on me to provide evidence to you, but certainly don't form an opinion on anyone based on media thats been forced upon you. 1. So because he used the word peaceful, that means he didn't incite violence? So lets say for example I have millions of followers who I have a huge amount of influence over that follow me across the country to show their support. And lets say I tweet "King Charles has raped and killed thousands of children, we know it's true and we have the evidence. Everyone gather at Buckingham Palace peacefully". And then long behold lots of people roll up where I told them to go and behave violently as they are outraged by what they've just learned. Does that not make me slightly accountable because without my tweet nobody would have turned up at Buckingham Palace in their droves and no violence would have occurred. Or at the very least a helluva lot less? 2. This paragraph doesn't make sense for alot of people because of my point 1. It makes sense to you because I guess you believe the election was stolen from Trump and it is all a huge conspiracy to keep the reigning president out of office. I'm not sure the reason for the corruption as I don't follow QANON and stuff but isn't it because Trump (previously best friends with one of Americas biggest pedos who died under his 24 hour watch) was going to expose all the corrupt liberals who have dungeons like Oprah filled with kids they rape and drink the blood of to stay young? Or something like this. Because the illumanti who control the world are all liberals with a common shared interest in paedophilia, notably not so interested in any financial crimes, and Trump is here to save our children? You can see why the average person like me finds it a bit far fetched. 3. When did the media turn Musk into a villain? He's still regularly portrayed very well in the media. People like me thought he was a cunt long before Twitter. And it seems I'm not alone, there's a thread there of people slagging him 5 years ago - oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/280949/elon-musk4. 100% agree about not being a zombie and believing everything you see on TV. All you need to do is read the thread about the UK government and you'll find the vast majority of the stories on there often go unreported on the BBC, Daily Mail, Telegraph etc.. But with the trump stuff I don't see anything coming from them outside of main stream media which is anything more than opinion. We keep hearing about the election being stolen. But where's the proof or evidence? Why was it so easy to steal when he lost but when he won it wasn't stolen? Or Pizzagate and all these other mad theories. Again mostly opinion pieces with very little evidence. Whereas the stuff in the government thread about the corruption of the conservative government which goes unreported, well it's there with facts alongside it. Whether it be accounts from a company which benefited from tory contracts and their connections to tory members, or if its about the directors in the BBC and their links to the conservative party, or if it's about Kwami-Kasi and his links to businessmen who made lots of money from the economy crashing. But "Oprah has a dungeon filled with kids she drinks blood from to stay young" doesn't really convince me no matter how many likes the facebook post has. I need more than just a baseless accusation with next to no evidence. 5. I find the distrust of MSM stuff quite dangerous too. Because while I agree it's important to look at lots of different sources of information to get a balanced view and to ensure you're doing your due diligence. It feels very much to me that for Trump supporters it's now a case of "unless it's coming from us, you can't trust anything from any other source" and that's quite dangerous because you're putting your full 100% faith into what any Trump supporting media will tell you. To me I just think there's a lack of inquisitiveness sometimes from some of his supporters. But then maybe people like yourself would say that about me with Jeremy Corbyn too who also had the MSM against him. I just found his rhetoric about inequality and greed and how the top 1% have more wealth than half the world like alot more believable and stuff I could get behind to try and make the world a more fair place. Whereas if he went down the route of telling me that the super rich people (like elon musk) aren't the ones we should be concerned about but instead it's random tv presenters with much less money than the insanely rich that are the problem. And the reason for that is because all of them are pedophiles and we have to protect our kids. I'd expect the people who have the most influence over the world to be those with the businesses and the money and the connections. Not the randomers who are all raping the kids and keeping them in dungeons and shit. I just don't get it. Quanon is a load of bollocks. The MSM are the mouthpiece of the so called elites. When the media constantly force feed the populace a narrative that any normal same minded man knows is bullshit, when a pattern emerges time and time again, eventually people wake up and lose trust in them and start to question their agenda. Podcasts like the Joe Rogan experience have helped to damage the control that the media once had though and that's a great thing for society. |
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Post by noustie on Aug 25, 2023 15:36:02 GMT
The Trump support being thick is a fucking stupid argument to be honest - in the Independence referendum I could point to as many knuckle dragging orange order types as I could Poundland Patriots.
74m people voted for him - they can't all be morons!
'If Liberals are so fucking smart how come they lose so god dam always?'
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Post by Gawa on Aug 25, 2023 15:38:07 GMT
1. So because he used the word peaceful, that means he didn't incite violence? So lets say for example I have millions of followers who I have a huge amount of influence over that follow me across the country to show their support. And lets say I tweet "King Charles has raped and killed thousands of children, we know it's true and we have the evidence. Everyone gather at Buckingham Palace peacefully". And then long behold lots of people roll up where I told them to go and behave violently as they are outraged by what they've just learned. Does that not make me slightly accountable because without my tweet nobody would have turned up at Buckingham Palace in their droves and no violence would have occurred. Or at the very least a helluva lot less? 2. This paragraph doesn't make sense for alot of people because of my point 1. It makes sense to you because I guess you believe the election was stolen from Trump and it is all a huge conspiracy to keep the reigning president out of office. I'm not sure the reason for the corruption as I don't follow QANON and stuff but isn't it because Trump (previously best friends with one of Americas biggest pedos who died under his 24 hour watch) was going to expose all the corrupt liberals who have dungeons like Oprah filled with kids they rape and drink the blood of to stay young? Or something like this. Because the illumanti who control the world are all liberals with a common shared interest in paedophilia, notably not so interested in any financial crimes, and Trump is here to save our children? You can see why the average person like me finds it a bit far fetched. 3. When did the media turn Musk into a villain? He's still regularly portrayed very well in the media. People like me thought he was a cunt long before Twitter. And it seems I'm not alone, there's a thread there of people slagging him 5 years ago - oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/280949/elon-musk4. 100% agree about not being a zombie and believing everything you see on TV. All you need to do is read the thread about the UK government and you'll find the vast majority of the stories on there often go unreported on the BBC, Daily Mail, Telegraph etc.. But with the trump stuff I don't see anything coming from them outside of main stream media which is anything more than opinion. We keep hearing about the election being stolen. But where's the proof or evidence? Why was it so easy to steal when he lost but when he won it wasn't stolen? Or Pizzagate and all these other mad theories. Again mostly opinion pieces with very little evidence. Whereas the stuff in the government thread about the corruption of the conservative government which goes unreported, well it's there with facts alongside it. Whether it be accounts from a company which benefited from tory contracts and their connections to tory members, or if its about the directors in the BBC and their links to the conservative party, or if it's about Kwami-Kasi and his links to businessmen who made lots of money from the economy crashing. But "Oprah has a dungeon filled with kids she drinks blood from to stay young" doesn't really convince me no matter how many likes the facebook post has. I need more than just a baseless accusation with next to no evidence. 5. I find the distrust of MSM stuff quite dangerous too. Because while I agree it's important to look at lots of different sources of information to get a balanced view and to ensure you're doing your due diligence. It feels very much to me that for Trump supporters it's now a case of "unless it's coming from us, you can't trust anything from any other source" and that's quite dangerous because you're putting your full 100% faith into what any Trump supporting media will tell you. To me I just think there's a lack of inquisitiveness sometimes from some of his supporters. But then maybe people like yourself would say that about me with Jeremy Corbyn too who also had the MSM against him. I just found his rhetoric about inequality and greed and how the top 1% have more wealth than half the world like alot more believable and stuff I could get behind to try and make the world a more fair place. Whereas if he went down the route of telling me that the super rich people (like elon musk) aren't the ones we should be concerned about but instead it's random tv presenters with much less money than the insanely rich that are the problem. And the reason for that is because all of them are pedophiles and we have to protect our kids. I'd expect the people who have the most influence over the world to be those with the businesses and the money and the connections. Not the randomers who are all raping the kids and keeping them in dungeons and shit. I just don't get it. Quanon is a load of bollocks. The MSM are the mouthpiece of the so called elites. When the media constantly force feed the populace a narrative that any normal same minded man knows is bullshit, when a pattern emerges time and time again, eventually people wake up and lose trust in them and start to question their agenda. Podcasts like the Joe Rogan experience have helped to damage the control that the media once had though and that's a great thing for society. But then why do uk trump supporters generally not support Jeremy Corbyn? Given the MSM attacked him at every opportunity? Alot of them tend to be more conservative supporters in the UK who control most of the main stream media in the UK. Whys nobody putting 2 and 2 together and going "wait if the msm are interfering with elections. Then maybe corbyn was the good guy and Boris wasn't all he was cracked up to be?" That's stuff which happened on the doorsteps of the UK trump supporters and there's no outrage there. |
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Post by cdf on Aug 25, 2023 15:39:56 GMT
Don't like the man but I love the fact that he's now selling t-shirts with his mugshot on.
He's not real is he? he's just a figment of everyone's imagination rolled into one
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Post by Gawa on Aug 25, 2023 15:40:12 GMT
The Trump support being thick is a fucking stupid argument to be honest - in the Independence referendum I could point to as many knuckle dragging orange order types as I could Poundland Patriots. 74m people voted for him - they can't all be morons! 'If Liberals are so fucking smart how come they lose so god dam always?' I haven't said anywhere Trump supporters are thick. Sorry if I've implied that. I just don't understand their reasoning at times. |
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Post by noustie on Aug 25, 2023 15:45:29 GMT
The Trump support being thick is a fucking stupid argument to be honest - in the Independence referendum I could point to as many knuckle dragging orange order types as I could Poundland Patriots. 74m people voted for him - they can't all be morons! 'If Liberals are so fucking smart how come they lose so god dam always?' I haven't said anywhere Trump supporters are thick. Sorry if I've implied that. I just don't understand their reasoning at times. Not you mate just a general observation. There's likely plenty of thick twats vote democrat and would envisage the collective IQ of both camps would probably be about the same. What I don't get is I don't see a massive difference between Trump and Biden - both seem absolutely rotten to the core yet continually see folk entrenched either side. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 15:50:58 GMT
Quanon is a load of bollocks. The MSM are the mouthpiece of the so called elites. When the media constantly force feed the populace a narrative that any normal same minded man knows is bullshit, when a pattern emerges time and time again, eventually people wake up and lose trust in them and start to question their agenda. Podcasts like the Joe Rogan experience have helped to damage the control that the media once had though and that's a great thing for society. But then why do uk trump supporters generally not support Jeremy Corbyn? Given the MSM attacked him at every opportunity? Alot of them tend to be more conservative supporters in the UK who control most of the main stream media in the UK. Whys nobody putting 2 and 2 together and going "wait if the msm are interfering with elections. Then maybe corbyn was the good guy and Boris wasn't all he was cracked up to be?" That's stuff which happened on the doorsteps of the UK trump supporters and there's no outrage there. The MSM in the UK, just like the modern Torys are socially Liberal, if the topic is anything transgender related, anything that slags Britain's past off or anything that promotes globalism then the MSM are all for it. Why do you think the likes of Andrew Tate have become so popular. When young men are constantly being told they are racist for being white, that they are toxic for being masculine, that they can be any gender they like and that they are some how privileged it's obviously going to cause resentment and some backlash from those young men that reject what they know is bullshit, then along comes Andrew Tate with his message. The irony is the MSM that hate Trump are the ones that actually created Trump. We're at a point now where Trump actually could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and people would still support him because they are sick of the blatant hypocritical mainstream media narrative that gets peddled all day everyday. |
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Post by Gawa on Aug 25, 2023 15:54:32 GMT
I haven't said anywhere Trump supporters are thick. Sorry if I've implied that. I just don't understand their reasoning at times. Not you mate just a general observation. There's likely plenty of thick twats vote democrat and would envisage the collective IQ of both camps would probably be about the same. What I don't get is I don't see a massive difference between Trump and Biden - both seem absolutely rotten to the core yet continually see folk entrenched either side. I don't think either of them fit for the post to be honest. And I think having a political system where its always one of 2 parties which wins and those 2 parties have a very strong influence over which member of their party stands. I think that itself is corrupt. There's no way George Bush and his son were both conveniently the most capable people to be the president of the country. And the same goes for Bill and Hilary Clinton too. Both parties mostly look to serve the interests of their donors who bank roll them into power in my opinion. Trump does stand out compared to the rest though because it feels alot more cult like compared to anything else in recent years. And with Trump well he's been involved in politics since the 80s. And he's flip flopped between the two parties in that time too trying to become president. To me he feels like a man who craves power and will do and say anything necessary to get it. I don't think he holds any particularly strong views hence how he's flipped between the parties across his career. I just think his main drive is to be in power and doing whatever is necessary to achieve that. |
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Post by Gawa on Aug 25, 2023 16:12:44 GMT
But then why do uk trump supporters generally not support Jeremy Corbyn? Given the MSM attacked him at every opportunity? Alot of them tend to be more conservative supporters in the UK who control most of the main stream media in the UK. Whys nobody putting 2 and 2 together and going "wait if the msm are interfering with elections. Then maybe corbyn was the good guy and Boris wasn't all he was cracked up to be?" That's stuff which happened on the doorsteps of the UK trump supporters and there's no outrage there. The MSM in the UK, just like the modern Torys are socially Liberal, if the topic is anything transgender related, anything that slags Britain's past off or anything that promotes globalism then the MSM are all for it. Why do you think the likes of Andrew Tate have become so popular. When young men are constantly being told they are racist for being white, that they are toxic for being masculine, that they can be any gender they like and that they are some how privileged it's obviously going to cause resentment and some backlash from those young men that reject what they know is bullshit, then along comes Andrew Tate with his message. The irony is the MSM that hate Trump are the ones that actually created Trump. We're at a point now where Trump actually could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and people would still support him because they are sick of the blatant hypocritical mainstream media narrative that gets peddled all day everyday. The MSM in the UK, just like the modern Torys are socially Liberal - I couldn't disagree with this statement more on both claims. Alot of the examples which you've provided there I don't actually see when I read the news websites. If I enter "The Clown Thread" then I'll see plenty of tweets posted by CrouchPotato and TheDrunkenCommunist and stuff relating to trans, blm, green protestors and whatever else. But when I look on the news myself I don't see it so much. And I certainly don't see the Daily Mail or Telegraph engaging in slaggin britain off, promoting transgender etc.. To me it feels more like social media algorithms are what's influencing peoples opinions alot more than Main Stream Media. People seem to think that because they end up seeing a particular group, post or page on facebook that this accounts as finding news themselves and doing their own research. But they don't ever consider the algorithms which influence the stuff which appears on your social media. It feels a bit like if it's found on social media then it means the person behind the page is trustworthy and how you got there to find the particular page or youtube video is entirely down to yourself too with no background influences. And who controls those algorithms? Zuckerburg, Musk and a few others. In my opinion both Zukcerberg and Musk tend to lean right as well but because it's a social network nobody considers that they could also be influencing things? Your last paragraph I agree completely with and that's quite worrying to think about. I want to make it clear as well I'm not trying to say here I'm right and your wrong. I'm literally just raising the things which come to my mind when it comes to Trump and stating what I think. I don't think I'm any more informed than others on here, if anything I'm probably less informed than most as I don't follow US politics in any depth. I'm just enjoying the debate around MSM influence and stuff more as that's stuff I am a bit more interested in. |
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Post by musik on Aug 25, 2023 16:16:55 GMT
He paid 2.2 million SEK to be able to go home instead of custody until the trial.
He wasn't allowed to use any social media as part of the deal, but the first thing he did was to publish his picture. The first President ever photographed by the Police, they said on the news.
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 25, 2023 16:19:31 GMT
The MSM in the UK, just like the modern Torys are socially Liberal, if the topic is anything transgender related, anything that slags Britain's past off or anything that promotes globalism then the MSM are all for it. Why do you think the likes of Andrew Tate have become so popular. When young men are constantly being told they are racist for being white, that they are toxic for being masculine, that they can be any gender they like and that they are some how privileged it's obviously going to cause resentment and some backlash from those young men that reject what they know is bullshit, then along comes Andrew Tate with his message. The irony is the MSM that hate Trump are the ones that actually created Trump. We're at a point now where Trump actually could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and people would still support him because they are sick of the blatant hypocritical mainstream media narrative that gets peddled all day everyday. The MSM in the UK, just like the modern Torys are socially Liberal - I couldn't disagree with this statement more on both claims. Alot of the examples which you've provided there I don't actually see when I read the news websites. If I enter "The Clown Thread" then I'll see plenty of tweets posted by CrouchPotato and TheDrunkenCommunist and stuff relating to trans, blm, green protestors and whatever else. But when I look on the news myself I don't see it so much. And I certainly don't see the Daily Mail or Telegraph engaging in slaggin britain off, promoting transgender etc.. To me it feels more like social media algorithms are what's influencing peoples opinions alot more than Main Stream Media. People seem to think that because they end up seeing a particular group, post or page on facebook that this accounts as finding news themselves and doing their own research. But they don't ever consider the algorithms which influence the stuff which appears on your social media. It feels a bit like if it's found on social media then it means the person behind the page is trustworthy and how you got there to find the particular page or youtube video is entirely down to yourself too with no background influences. And who controls those algorithms? Zuckerburg, Musk and a few others. In my opinion both Zukcerberg and Musk tend to lean right as well but because it's a social network nobody considers that they could also be influencing things? Your last paragraph I agree completely with and that's quite worrying to think about. I want to make it clear as well I'm not trying to say here I'm right and your wrong. I'm literally just raising the things which come to my mind when it comes to Trump and stating what I think. I don't think I'm any more informed than others on here, if anything I'm probably less informed than most as I don't follow US politics in any depth. I'm just enjoying the debate around MSM influence and stuff more as that's stuff I am a bit more interested in. Good points well made mate. The way you put your points across without feeling the needs to insult or to use a arrogant condescending tone are much more likely to get the 'other side' thinking. Exactly how a debate should be. |
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