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Post by elystokie on Sept 14, 2024 19:49:45 GMT
All of what he said on the Biden debate was fact checked afterwards, 90% of it was lies. Of course people are going to call him a liar, it's been proven time and time again that he is. 90% lies is pretty truthful for a politician mateš There's massaging the truth, which a lot do, and there's downright bollocks. His is the latter and he gets triggered when he's called out on it. He's too thick to do the former š
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 14, 2024 19:51:37 GMT
90% lies is pretty truthful for a politician mateš There's massaging the truth, which a lot do, and there's downright bollocks. His is the latter and he gets triggered when he's called out on it. He's too thick to do the former š I wish I was as thick as a multi billionaireš
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Post by elystokie on Sept 14, 2024 19:53:15 GMT
There's massaging the truth, which a lot do, and there's downright bollocks. His is the latter and he gets triggered when he's called out on it. He's too thick to do the former š I wish I was as thick as a multi billionaireš Double post
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Post by elystokie on Sept 14, 2024 19:54:03 GMT
There's massaging the truth, which a lot do, and there's downright bollocks. His is the latter and he gets triggered when he's called out on it. He's too thick to do the former š I wish I was as thick as a multi billionaireš Luckily for him his dad wasn't thick š Not that I'm saying yours was, just for clarity š
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 14, 2024 19:54:24 GMT
No it isn't, that's just something you've made up to try and justify your daft post. I've been well critical of Harris on here. Politics isn't like a football match where you are expected to align yourself to a particular candidate, regardless of what they do. 'Anybody who votes for him' or Farage 'has a problem'. When asked for clarification about whether you meant just the real Trump fans or anyone who votes Republican, you said all of them, it makes no difference. So if someone is extremely racist there's a high chance they vote for Trump or Farage, I would agree, but they aren't the only voters and in general people are motivated by a huge range of factors. Just for fun I'll go with your football analogy for a minute: I hated watching stoke under Pulis. I watched less games on average when he was manager and I moaned a lot more. I was still a Stoke fan though. Some Stoke fans worshipped him as a God but he wasn't for me. I guess a lot of Republicans feel that way about Trump š they both love the baseball caps too, by the way! And I bet there's a few on here that would love to make scfc great again With my football analogy, I was replying to your (erroneous) claim, that due to me calling Trump a liar, then that must mean that I'm suggesting Harris is all sweetness and light, which is utter bollocks. And yes people have a problem if they're going to vote for Trump because he's a lying, racist, scumbag. I don't think that suggestion is particularly controversial.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 14, 2024 19:54:49 GMT
I wish I was as thick as a multi billionaireš Luckily for him his dad wasn't thick š Not that I'm saying yours was, just for clarity š He was and still is as far as Iām aware. I havenāt spoken to him for 5 years
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Post by elystokie on Sept 14, 2024 19:55:39 GMT
'Anybody who votes for him' or Farage 'has a problem'. When asked for clarification about whether you meant just the real Trump fans or anyone who votes Republican, you said all of them, it makes no difference. So if someone is extremely racist there's a high chance they vote for Trump or Farage, I would agree, but they aren't the only voters and in general people are motivated by a huge range of factors. Just for fun I'll go with your football analogy for a minute: I hated watching stoke under Pulis. I watched less games on average when he was manager and I moaned a lot more. I was still a Stoke fan though. Some Stoke fans worshipped him as a God but he wasn't for me. I guess a lot of Republicans feel that way about Trump š they both love the baseball caps too, by the way! And I bet there's a few on here that would love to make scfc great again With my football analogy, I was replying to your (erroneous) claim, that due to me calling Trump a liar, then that must mean that I'm suggesting Harris is all sweetness and light, which is utter bollocks. And yes people have a problem if they're going to vote for Trump because he's a lying, racist, scumbag. I don't think that suggestion is particularly controversial. It's not at all controversial. He proves it on a daily basis.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 14, 2024 19:56:57 GMT
What a mess the western world is in. I think we can all agree on that
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 14, 2024 19:59:09 GMT
There's massaging the truth, which a lot do, and there's downright bollocks. His is the latter and he gets triggered when he's called out on it. He's too thick to do the former š I wish I was as thick as a multi billionaireš You genuinely don't think that Trump is thick? š
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 14, 2024 20:01:30 GMT
I wish I was as thick as a multi billionaireš You genuinely don't think that Trump is thick? š We all know your classification of thick is people that donāt agree with you. He canāt be that āthickā can he? Deluded probably, thatās the best description I can think of
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 14, 2024 20:07:19 GMT
You genuinely don't think that Trump is thick? š We all know your classification of thick is people that donāt agree with you. He canāt be that āthickā can he? Deluded probably, thatās the best description I can think of Your first sentence is just made up bullshit, there are plenty of people on here who I disagree with, who are far from thick. Why CAN'T Trump be thick? What do you specifically see from him, that makes you think otherwise?
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Sept 14, 2024 20:10:19 GMT
'Anybody who votes for him' or Farage 'has a problem'. When asked for clarification about whether you meant just the real Trump fans or anyone who votes Republican, you said all of them, it makes no difference. So if someone is extremely racist there's a high chance they vote for Trump or Farage, I would agree, but they aren't the only voters and in general people are motivated by a huge range of factors. Just for fun I'll go with your football analogy for a minute: I hated watching stoke under Pulis. I watched less games on average when he was manager and I moaned a lot more. I was still a Stoke fan though. Some Stoke fans worshipped him as a God but he wasn't for me. I guess a lot of Republicans feel that way about Trump š they both love the baseball caps too, by the way! And I bet there's a few on here that would love to make scfc great again With my football analogy, I was replying to your (erroneous) claim, that due to me calling Trump a liar, then that must mean that I'm suggesting Harris is all sweetness and light, which is utter bollocks. And yes people have a problem if they're going to vote for Trump because he's a lying, racist, scumbag. I don't think that suggestion is particularly controversial. I take your point about Harris. About Trump, I guess it depends how you want to define 'problem'. It sort of looks like you're saying only people that are very stupid or also racist would vote for him. Maybe some just believe in free markets and don't take him seriously when he says stupid stuff. You could say that they're all wrong for voting for him but surely you can acknowledge they aren't all the same. My football response was just for fun
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 14, 2024 20:14:24 GMT
We all know your classification of thick is people that donāt agree with you. He canāt be that āthickā can he? Deluded probably, thatās the best description I can think of Your first sentence is just made up bullshit, there are plenty of people on here who I disagree with, who are far from thick. Why CAN'T Trump be thick? What do you specifically see from him, that makes you think otherwise? I suppose running multi billion dollar corporations and the president of the worlds most complicated country mean he has a little more grey matter than most. Donāt get me wrong he says the most bizarre stuff and some highly dangerous rhetoric but I donāt think he lacks genuine intelligence at all. Itās a very simplistic view to say heās thick because he does and says crazy stuff in my opinion
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 14, 2024 20:17:38 GMT
With my football analogy, I was replying to your (erroneous) claim, that due to me calling Trump a liar, then that must mean that I'm suggesting Harris is all sweetness and light, which is utter bollocks. And yes people have a problem if they're going to vote for Trump because he's a lying, racist, scumbag. I don't think that suggestion is particularly controversial. I take your point about Harris. About Trump, I guess it depends how you want to define 'problem'. It sort of looks like you're saying only people that are very stupid or also racist would vote for him. Maybe some just believe in free markets and don't take him seriously when he says stupid stuff. You could say that they're all wrong for voting for him but surely you can acknowledge they aren't all the same. My football response was just for fun It doesn't sort of look like that at all, not unless you're hell bent on establishing a particularly warped (and wrong) narrative. The Republicans need to remove such a vile individual and then there wouldn't even be such a problem in the first place, it's that simple. It's utterly disgusting that they've allowed him to be there for so long as it is. He should have been moved on a long time ago.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 14, 2024 20:25:42 GMT
It'll be great when The Don is President again, he'll get things back on track just like he did last time.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 14, 2024 20:26:34 GMT
Your first sentence is just made up bullshit, there are plenty of people on here who I disagree with, who are far from thick. Why CAN'T Trump be thick? What do you specifically see from him, that makes you think otherwise? I suppose running multi billion dollar corporations and the president of the worlds most complicated country mean he has a little more grey matter than most. Donāt get me wrong he says the most bizarre stuff and some highly dangerous rhetoric but I donāt think he lacks genuine intelligence at all. Itās a very simplistic view to say heās thick because he does and says crazy stuff in my opinion When you say about 'running' these corporations, hasn't he gone bankrupt 6 times? 9 years ago he said he had a healthcare plan that would be 'bigger and better' than Obamacare, it would be delivered in 'a couple of months'. When questioned about it at the recent debate he said 'we have a concept of a plan' š Given that he's a narcissist and narcissists biggest fear is ridicule, surely he'd want to avoid it? Rather than inviting it with stupid statements?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 14, 2024 20:33:39 GMT
Your first sentence is just made up bullshit, there are plenty of people on here who I disagree with, who are far from thick. Why CAN'T Trump be thick? What do you specifically see from him, that makes you think otherwise? I suppose running multi billion dollar corporations and the president of the worlds most complicated country mean he has a little more grey matter than most. Donāt get me wrong he says the most bizarre stuff and some highly dangerous rhetoric but I donāt think he lacks genuine intelligence at all. Itās a very simplistic view to say heās thick because he does and says crazy stuff in my opinion 'Running' multi billion dollar corporations? You do realise that he was left all his wealth by his father and despite that, six of those corporations have ended up having to file for bankruptcy under his stewardship? He doesn't 'run' corporations, he ruins them. He's possesses the vocabulary of a ten year old and he believes that he can say anything he likes and people will simply believe him. He thinks this, not because he believes other people are too stupid to realise that he's lying but because he is too stupid to realise that they aren't. I could list scores of idiotic things he has said but don't want to spam the thread, so I'll mention just one ... TODAY he claimed that you could see the island of Hawaii from the West coast of America. He's an utter moron.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 14, 2024 20:34:28 GMT
I suppose running multi billion dollar corporations and the president of the worlds most complicated country mean he has a little more grey matter than most. Donāt get me wrong he says the most bizarre stuff and some highly dangerous rhetoric but I donāt think he lacks genuine intelligence at all. Itās a very simplistic view to say heās thick because he does and says crazy stuff in my opinion 'Running' multi billion dollar corporations? You do realise that he was left all his wealth by his father and despite that, six of those corporations have ended up having to file for bankruptcy under his stewardship? He doesn't 'run' corporations, he ruins them. He's possesses the vocabulary of a ten year old and he believes that he can say anything he likes and people will simply believe him. He thinks this, not because he believes other people are too stupid to realise that he's lying but because he is too stupid to realise that they aren't. I could list scores of idiotic things he has said but don't want to spam the thread, so I'll mention just one ... TODAY he claimed that you could see the island of Hawaii from the West coast of America. He's an utter moron. You can, Iāve seen itš
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 14, 2024 20:37:58 GMT
'Running' multi billion dollar corporations? You do realise that he was left all his wealth by his father and despite that, six of those corporations have ended up having to file for bankruptcy under his stewardship? He doesn't 'run' corporations, he ruins them. He's possesses the vocabulary of a ten year old and he believes that he can say anything he likes and people will simply believe him. He thinks this, not because he believes other people are too stupid to realise that he's lying but because he is too stupid to realise that they aren't. I could list scores of idiotic things he has said but don't want to spam the thread, so I'll mention just one ... TODAY he claimed that you could see the island of Hawaii from the West coast of America. He's an utter moron. You can, Iāve seen itš The Japanese did.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 14, 2024 20:38:28 GMT
You can, Iāve seen itš The Japanese did. Back of the net
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 14, 2024 20:43:30 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 14, 2024 20:45:31 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 14, 2024 22:43:13 GMT
There's massaging the truth, which a lot do, and there's downright bollocks. His is the latter and he gets triggered when he's called out on it. He's too thick to do the former š I wish I was as thick as a multi billionaireš And if he'd taken his inheritance, put in a term deposit, he'd have a load more money than he's got now. He could've spent his time playing golf but the big thick moronic narcissistic balloon animal is intimidated by his dad's legacy and wanted to emulate it. He failed.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 15, 2024 0:02:02 GMT
Yep, no doubt about it, he's a total idiot ...
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Post by mjg13x on Sept 15, 2024 2:26:05 GMT
With my football analogy, I was replying to your (erroneous) claim, that due to me calling Trump a liar, then that must mean that I'm suggesting Harris is all sweetness and light, which is utter bollocks. And yes people have a problem if they're going to vote for Trump because he's a lying, racist, scumbag. I don't think that suggestion is particularly controversial. I take your point about Harris. About Trump, I guess it depends how you want to define 'problem'. It sort of looks like you're saying only people that are very stupid or also racist would vote for him. Maybe some just believe in free markets and don't take him seriously when he says stupid stuff. You could say that they're all wrong for voting for him but surely you can acknowledge they aren't all the same. My football response was just for fun Not every single person who supports Trump is actively bigoted themselves, but they're happy to vote for a bigoted far-right nut over a generic center-left politician. And I do think there's some merit to judging a person by the company they choose to keep.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 15, 2024 8:07:08 GMT
Definition of an idiot a person of low intelligence. "he entered their employ and learnt their secrets by pretending to be an idiot"
I donāt like Trump because for me heās a bully but heās far from an idiot. If he was an idiot he wouldnāt have been the president of the US and standing again or a billionaire.
Heās made some idiotic statements like the drinking bleach one but like it or not heās a successful businessman whose current wealth is 3.8bn.
Like in the U.K. both major parties are pretty awful but I donāt remember the US being in as big a mess as what it is now when he was president especially internally. Heās dangerous but I havenāt seen Biden pulling up any trees since he was in the White house and some cities like San Fran and LA have deterriated dramatically under his watch.
I have a friend whoās moved from LA to Florida because of the mess Biden made over there and because of the tax situation (and heās not wealthy) plus issues around safety in the city. My mate voted Trump not because he particularly likes him but because the alternative for he and his young family is far worse in respect to impact on their lives.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 15, 2024 8:30:20 GMT
I wish I was as thick as a multi billionaireš And if he'd taken his inheritance, put in a term deposit, he'd have a load more money than he's got now. He could've spent his time playing golf but the big thick moronic narcissistic balloon animal is intimidated by his dad's legacy and wanted to emulate it. He failed. He swindled money out of his siblings over the inheritance so he could spunk their share away as well š³ What a charming chap š¤¦
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Sept 15, 2024 9:00:48 GMT
Anybody who specifically backs him or anybody who votes republican? (If thereās a difference) There isn't a difference. Anybody who votes for him, as well as the likes of Farage and those that support him. He's a lying, racist, scumbag, who couldn't give two shits about the people who his comments effect. I think there is a difference. Iām certainly not going to argue against characterisations of Trump. There are a hell of a lot of republicans who despise the man too. Heās a (surely diagnosable) grandiose-narcissist; and itās a sad, inescapable irony that certain trait combinations (and outright pathologies) that make people least suitable for roles of great power, simultaneously make them more likely to desire and attain it. Your wording (āhas a problemā) was quite careful and mild Paul, so please donāt take what Iām about to write as a direct response to you because it isnāt. Iām speaking more generally now; and addressing people who are much more extreme in condemning the āother sideā. I just donāt see how itās possible to outright condemn people who vote either republican or democrat in the upcoming election, based on that information alone. US politics is (as far as Iām aware at least) the most (effectively) binary democracy in the western world. So is the expectation that someone who aligns far more closely with the policies of one party ahead of other, should either abstain or vote for the party they donāt align with, based on strongly disliking the presidential candidate of their preferred party? Iām sure this very scenario will play out and itāll hurt trump almost exclusively; but I also donāt think itās a reasonable expectation whatsoever. So therefore it becomes a problem in of itself to outright condemn someone with no information beyond who they voted for in a binary election. There has to be a difference.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 15, 2024 9:53:58 GMT
There isn't a difference. Anybody who votes for him, as well as the likes of Farage and those that support him. He's a lying, racist, scumbag, who couldn't give two shits about the people who his comments effect. I think there is a difference. Iām certainly not going to argue against characterisations of Trump. There are a hell of a lot of republicans who despise the man too. Heās a (surely diagnosable) grandiose-narcissist; and itās a sad, inescapable irony that certain trait combinations (and outright pathologies) that make people least suitable for roles of great power, simultaneously make them more likely to desire and attain it. Your wording (āhas a problemā) was quite careful and mild Paul, so please donāt take what Iām about to write as a direct response to you because it isnāt. Iām speaking more generally now; and addressing people who are much more extreme in condemning the āother sideā. I just donāt see how itās possible to outright condemn people who vote either republican or democrat in the upcoming election, based on that information alone. US politics is (as far as Iām aware at least) the most (effectively) binary democracy in the western world. So is the expectation that someone who aligns far more closely with the policies of one party ahead of other, should either abstain or vote for the party they donāt align with, based on strongly disliking the presidential candidate of their preferred party? Iām sure this very scenario will play out and itāll hurt trump almost exclusively; but I also donāt think itās a reasonable expectation whatsoever. So therefore it becomes a problem in of itself to outright condemn someone with no information beyond who they voted for in a binary election. There has to be a difference. excellent post.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 15, 2024 10:19:23 GMT
If he was an idiot he wouldnāt have been the president of the US and standing again or a billionaire. Cobs, several people (including myself) have explained in the last few posts how Trump actually acquired his wealth and how he actually is a dreadful businessesman. Just because you're a billionaire, it doesn't then mean that you can't be an idiot. I've posted a link just above, from where he is speaking just yesterday. What he is saying is completely idiotic and he's talking about trade tariffs, how do you explain what he's saying, if he's not an idiot? The reason I chose that link is because it was so recent. However I'm absolutely convinced that I could find similar examples of him not having the first clue what he's talking about, from Friday and the day before that and the day before that and the day before etc. etc. etc. From the New York Times, the writers were awarded a Pulitzer Prize for their original expose of Trump, he was anything but a successful businessman ... www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/as-a-businessman-trump-was-the-biggest-loser-of-all"Between 1985 and 1994, Trumpās core businesses lost money every single year, and the accumulated losses came to more than a billion dollars. āIn fact, year after year, Mr. Trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer, the Times found when it compared his results with detailed information the I.R.S. compiles on an annual sampling of high-income earners,ā Buettner and Craig write. āHis core business losses in 1990 and 1991āmore than $250 million each yearāwere more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the I.R.S. information for those years. Of course, anybody who has followed Trumpās career already knew that much of what he said was erroneous and deceptive. He financed the parts of his business portfolio that he didnāt inherit from Fred by taking on huge loans. During the recession of the early nineteen-nineties, four of his highly indebted businesses declared bankruptcyāthree casinos in Atlantic City and the Plaza Hotel on Fifth Avenue. Other Trump businesses only survived because they were sold or his lenders decided they were worth more as going concerns and allowed him to write down some of his debts. The Times reporters and other journalists have already covered some of this troubled history. In September, 2016, the Times received a copy of part of Trumpās 1995 tax return, which showed that he declared a massive tax loss, of nine hundred and sixteen million dollars. The latest Times report confirms that Trump didnāt pay much tax in the decade before 1995, either. To wit: āOver all, Mr. Trump lost so much money that he was able to avoid paying income taxes for eight of the 10 years.ā This revelation confirms another thing that many Trump skeptics have long suspected. The financial problems his businesses faced predated the bust of the early nineteen-nineties. āThe numbers show that in 1985, Mr. Trump reported losses of $46.1 million from his core businessesālargely casinos, hotels and retail space in apartment buildings,ā the Times reported. āThey continued to lose money every year, totaling $1.17 billion in losses for the decade.ā In 1987, Trump published a ghostwritten bookāāTrump: The Art of the Dealāāthat became a best-seller and cemented his status as a celebrity. By the time the book came out, the story notes, Trump āwas already in deep financial distress, losing tens of millions of dollars on troubled business deals. Even now, there are a lot of Americans who believe that the President is a savvy and successful businessman who knows what he is doing. The actual record, which, thanks to the Times, we now know a good deal more about, suggests the exact opposite. It reveals Trump to be a reckless conman who burned money and relied on his father, even as he was fashioning a myth that eventually took him all the way to the White House. No wonder he is so averse to allowing the American public to see any more accurate information about his financial history."
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