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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 18, 2024 14:59:05 GMT
Are Islam and Christianity cults? Or just started as cults and got out of hand? Religion is and always will be a way of controlling people.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 18, 2024 15:01:36 GMT
Are Islam and Christianity cults? Or just started as cults and got out of hand? In modern day, they are both religions but there are certainly cults that operate within them, particularly at their extremities.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 18, 2024 15:07:57 GMT
Are Islam and Christianity cults? Or just started as cults and got out of hand? In modern day, they are both religions but there are certainly cults that operate within them, particularly at their extremities. For me Paul , it's just a question of terminology ( and conceptualising if you like).....some religions are just big cults.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2024 15:10:30 GMT
I've never seen football fans showing up with their legs in plaster to show love for an injured footballer. It's cringe and a cult. 10 years ago we would be shown videos of people singing songs about Kim Jung Un and be told about how deranged North Korea is. But even they never went so far as to wear bandages to show solidarity for their love and saviour 😁 It's astounding but at the same time not surprising. America is two countries within one and maybe Alex Garland's new film, Civil War, isn't too far off the mark. Obesity in the US is far too high for any chance of a civil war.
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Post by gawa on Jul 18, 2024 16:02:49 GMT
I disagree and don't think Ukraine is anymore important geopolitically. It's politics of fear and fearmongering what makes people think Russia is this huge threat. The best thing for the West isn't to carry on this war but instead find peace and while I don't support Trump in the slightest - we're much more likely to get that peace under him than Genocide Joe. Ukraine historically and presently has always been amongst the most corrupt countries in Europe I spend more time talking about Gaza because 10s of thousands of children are dying there as well as 10s of thousands of other innocent civillians. Those numbers are incomparable to what is happening in Ukraine. As for Sudan, the media very much drives what we discuss and debate - I'd ask why our media is barely reporting on it, probably don't want it to be discussed. I wouldn't be surprised if Sudan is another Rwanda or Iran in the making where the West are interfering and don't want a democracy to be formed but instead what to impose their own dictator who nods along and does what their big boss says. A bit like Paul Kagame who since being imposed by the West 30 years ago somehow has won every election. This is the same country which our government claimed is a safe country to send asylum seekers to. Or what about Iran with the Pahlavi dynasty another dictatorship backed by the West to exploit the Iranians. You probably know about them as we usually see the propaganda pushed by the west of videos of "how iran used to be". The more you read up on actual historical context in Palestine, Ukraine, Sudan, Israel, Rwanda, Iran and other countries the more you learn about what has led us to where we are today. Combine that with all the other corruption and war crimes we learned through wikileaks too. You begin to realise that we probably create many more problems than we solve. That doesn't make Russia or Putin a saint by any means, they also commit many war crimes and take part in propaganda. However with that said Luhansk and Donetsk have been independant republics for over a decade now, both regions have seen a huge drop in living standards since the fall of the soviet union and I don't believe there is a will there for them to rejoin Ukraine either (of which it was only a member for a few of decades of it's existence). The war started after Russia voted to recognise them as independant states which in turn breaks the Minsk 2 agreement. We should be trying to find peace rather than throwing hundreds of billions at Ukraine for more people to needlessly die. I am more worried about continuing this conflict and the ramifications that may have on us than the ramifications if we were to remove our funding and force Ukraine to actually take a seat at the negotiation table rather than sending bomb after bomb hoping Russia give up. Maybe if historically us, USA/UK, had a positive record of finding peaceful solutions after engaging in conflict I'd feel differently but time and time again we don't - we make things worse by sticking our nose in other peoples business, and increasing the death toll or prolonging conflict doesn't show any positive corelation towards better long term outcomes. When the shoe is on the other foot and it was Russia/Soviet Union building relations with countries bordering the USA the response from Western media was much different. Pretty sure a trade embargo still exists in Cuba till this day. But yeah Russia isn't going to do this full scale invasion of Europe, it is fearmongering and politics of fear and that fear is what is being used to justify continuing to support this needless conflict. That's just an anti-imperialist rant mate as well as pretty condescending to suggest that others are just 'played' by the media and you are not. And you've still got a 'hierarchy of lives' which I suggest is no better or worse than a lot of other people's. Just different. I'm a bit disappointed by your first paragraph there. I try very hard to articulate my arguments on here and I'm receptive to most peoples opinions even with those whom I disagree. Not once have I said "everyone is played bar me" or that "I know best". I actually make a point of regularly signing of my messages making it clear that it's my opinion/take and others may feel differently. But to come in here and imply I'm condescending and I know better is just rude and ignorant. No effort at all to respond to my argument just an attack on my character. Honestly I think it's incredibly patronising of you. What is my hierarchy of lives then Seymour? Because I'll call someone out for suggesting they want outside interference on the American election because the new president may not be as committed to Ukraine? That is a hierarchy of lives there. Not bothered if the new president wants to carry on supporting Israels genocide. But if they don't want to back Ukraine with 100s of billions the election needs outside interference. I've not once said we should be interfering in another countries elections based on whom they may or may not support. Anyway carrying on from before if you actually want to you know.... have a discussion. Or if you just want to attack me as an individual because you don't respect a viewpoint different from your own then feel free to and call me condescending and whatever other insults come to mind. The Pahlavi dynasty was backed by the west and overthrown by the Iranian people of which Iranian women ("who lost their freedoms") were some of the leading forces behind the movement - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution#Women's_role Yet when you read about Iranian women on the bbc and the pictures before and after the revolution it paints a very different picture - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-47032829When we talk about the "Rwanda Genocide" we don't talk about how the Tutsi's oppressed, beat, enslaved, raped and belittled the Huti's for centuries. We don't talk about America's role, we don't talk about the many Huti's who died from the invasion of Paul Kagame's RPF, we don't talk about the assassination of the president which was a catalyst, we don't talk about the Arusha Accords and the affect the assassination had on it. Actually how we talk about it and report on it is very similar to how we have reported on what happens in Palestine. Historical oppression isn't important or any kind of background or context which led to the RPF invasion. We simply just believe that for little reason at all the Huti's decided to murder lots of Tusi's and they wanted to kill them all because they hate them... despite overthrowing them decades earlier. And then we all watch Hotel Rwanda and that's what we believe because we don't seek to research it further. None of the above is because I know best. Some of the above may even be inaccurate. But what I can say is that I only learn the above through reading up on the history myself. That's not because I'm "not played" and you are "played". It's simply through taking an interest and trying to educate myself further on subjects so that I feel I can make an informed opinion. Maybe you've not bothered to do that yourself which is why you've went down the character assassination route. Feel free to come back to me when you do.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2024 16:12:43 GMT
Trump will abandon Europe. We have to back them or Russia won’t stop at Ukraine. Indeed European nations should be doing their utmost to interfere in this election and try and swing it back. It’s very much in their interest to counter what Russia is doing with it. And what about the 10s of thousands of kids dying in genocide in Gaza Bayern? Kids with down syndrome being mauled alive by IDF dogs. Schools, refugee camps and hospitals regularly bombed. Turning off water and electric, collectively punishing a whole population. Why do we need to "interfere" to swing the election for Ukraine? Why are ukranian lives (of which there are significant less civillian casualties) more important than Palestine lives? It's OK to elect a president if they support Israels genocide. But if they don't dare spend 100s of billions on a war in Ukraine we need to interfere? Hierarchy of lives? What makes ukranians more important? Because it could directly affect me. Absolutely selfish yes but that’s the truth of it. Ukraine is an issue that directly affects the UK. Gaza isn’t.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 18, 2024 16:18:21 GMT
And what about the 10s of thousands of kids dying in genocide in Gaza Bayern? Kids with down syndrome being mauled alive by IDF dogs. Schools, refugee camps and hospitals regularly bombed. Turning off water and electric, collectively punishing a whole population. Why do we need to "interfere" to swing the election for Ukraine? Why are ukranian lives (of which there are significant less civillian casualties) more important than Palestine lives? It's OK to elect a president if they support Israels genocide. But if they don't dare spend 100s of billions on a war in Ukraine we need to interfere? Hierarchy of lives? What makes ukranians more important? Because it could directly affect me. Absolutely selfish yes but that’s the truth of it. Ukraine is an issue that directly affects the UK. Gaza isn’t. You won't be saying that when terrorist reprisals for Gaza begin happening around the UK...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2024 16:50:20 GMT
Because it could directly affect me. Absolutely selfish yes but that’s the truth of it. Ukraine is an issue that directly affects the UK. Gaza isn’t. You won't be saying that when terrorist reprisals for Gaza begin happening around the UK... I don’t think that’s even close to being as big a threat as Russia and the whole right wing shit baggery they are trying to get to save their skins. I wish there was a ceasefire and I wish Israel would stop being cunts and I wish Hamas would stop being cunts. Passed that it’s not an issue I get worked up about.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 18, 2024 16:54:20 GMT
That's just an anti-imperialist rant mate as well as pretty condescending to suggest that others are just 'played' by the media and you are not. And you've still got a 'hierarchy of lives' which I suggest is no better or worse than a lot of other people's. Just different. I'm a bit disappointed by your first paragraph there. I try very hard to articulate my arguments on here and I'm receptive to most peoples opinions even with those whom I disagree. Not once have I said "everyone is played bar me" or that "I know best". I actually make a point of regularly signing of my messages making it clear that it's my opinion/take and others may feel differently. But to come in here and imply I'm condescending and I know better is just rude and ignorant. No effort at all to respond to my argument just an attack on my character. Honestly I think it's incredibly patronising of you. What is my hierarchy of lives then Seymour? Because I'll call someone out for suggesting they want outside interference on the American election because the new president may not be as committed to Ukraine? That is a hierarchy of lives there. Not bothered if the new president wants to carry on supporting Israels genocide. But if they don't want to back Ukraine with 100s of billions the election needs outside interference. I've not once said we should be interfering in another countries elections based on whom they may or may not support. Anyway carrying on from before if you actually want to you know.... have a discussion. Or if you just want to attack me as an individual because you don't respect a viewpoint different from your own then feel free to and call me condescending and whatever other insults come to mind. The Pahlavi dynasty was backed by the west and overthrown by the Iranian people of which Iranian women ("who lost their freedoms") were some of the leading forces behind the movement - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution#Women's_role Yet when you read about Iranian women on the bbc and the pictures before and after the revolution it paints a very different picture - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-47032829When we talk about the "Rwanda Genocide" we don't talk about how the Tutsi's oppressed, beat, enslaved, raped and belittled the Huti's for centuries. We don't talk about America's role, we don't talk about the many Huti's who died from the invasion of Paul Kagame's RPF, we don't talk about the assassination of the president which was a catalyst, we don't talk about the Arusha Accords and the affect the assassination had on it. Actually how we talk about it and report on it is very similar to how we have reported on what happens in Palestine. Historical oppression isn't important or any kind of background or context which led to the RPF invasion. We simply just believe that for little reason at all the Huti's decided to murder lots of Tusi's and they wanted to kill them all because they hate them... despite overthrowing them decades earlier. And then we all watch Hotel Rwanda and that's what we believe because we don't seek to research it further. None of the above is because I know best. Some of the above may even be inaccurate. But what I can say is that I only learn the above through reading up on the history myself. That's not because I'm "not played" and you are "played". It's simply through taking an interest and trying to educate myself further on subjects so that I feel I can make an informed opinion. Maybe you've not bothered to do that yourself which is why you've went down the character assassination route. Feel free to come back to me when you do. Disappointment is part if life. It's not the first time you've insinuated that I would be/am taken in in a way that you're not and previously I've let it go. This time I didn't. I didn't comnent on interference in elections merely picked up on an accusation you made of another poster having a 'hierarchy of lives' and pointed out that it's something you also demonstrate. Which you do.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 18, 2024 21:29:17 GMT
And what about the 10s of thousands of kids dying in genocide in Gaza Bayern? Kids with down syndrome being mauled alive by IDF dogs. Schools, refugee camps and hospitals regularly bombed. Turning off water and electric, collectively punishing a whole population. Why do we need to "interfere" to swing the election for Ukraine? Why are ukranian lives (of which there are significant less civillian casualties) more important than Palestine lives? It's OK to elect a president if they support Israels genocide. But if they don't dare spend 100s of billions on a war in Ukraine we need to interfere? Hierarchy of lives? What makes ukranians more important? Because it could directly affect me. Absolutely selfish yes but that’s the truth of it. Ukraine is an issue that directly affects the UK. Gaza isn’t. I really couldn't disagree with you more. The state of Israel and it's treatment of the Palestinian people has been the root cause of so much insecurity in the West for 50 years, at least.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2024 23:52:05 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 1:37:51 GMT
Could you imagine Giant Heystacks or Big Daddy being encouraged to endorse a political candidate in the UK? I'm watching it live right now and if it wasn't so utterly pathetic, it might actually be kind of funny in a satirical kind of way.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 19, 2024 1:55:06 GMT
Eric Trump now, lie after lie after lie and they lap it up ...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 19, 2024 5:51:56 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 19, 2024 6:21:18 GMT
And what about the 10s of thousands of kids dying in genocide in Gaza Bayern? Kids with down syndrome being mauled alive by IDF dogs. Schools, refugee camps and hospitals regularly bombed. Turning off water and electric, collectively punishing a whole population. Why do we need to "interfere" to swing the election for Ukraine? Why are ukranian lives (of which there are significant less civillian casualties) more important than Palestine lives? It's OK to elect a president if they support Israels genocide. But if they don't dare spend 100s of billions on a war in Ukraine we need to interfere? Hierarchy of lives? What makes ukranians more important? Because it could directly affect me. Absolutely selfish yes but that’s the truth of it. Ukraine is an issue that directly affects the UK. Gaza isn’t. By your own admission Russia won’t use nuclear weapons, and the war is at a stalemate and going nowhere, so using your own analogy I don’t feel threatened by the war in Ukraine in any way shape or form. So bollocks to them…..
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 19, 2024 6:49:21 GMT
Now this IS next level stupid....
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Post by andystokey on Jul 19, 2024 7:26:37 GMT
Now this IS next level stupid.... Well she can hardly say "to face down a right wing authoritarian cult leader" could she?
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Post by gawa on Jul 19, 2024 9:39:26 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 9:43:37 GMT
Wouldn't really work in the UK with big daddy and giant haystacks being wheeled out 😆
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Post by musik on Jul 19, 2024 9:44:41 GMT
A split, a mix of two pictures? Has he got a head twice as big?
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Post by musik on Jul 19, 2024 9:46:43 GMT
According to Swe news Trump says he wants a more polite and friendlier debate now, (since being shot).
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 9:50:06 GMT
According to Swe news Trump says he wants a more polite and friendlier debate now, (since being shot). Maybe he's had an epiphany 🤔 and we'll see a nicer trump who no longer sends mean tweets out😆
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Post by musik on Jul 19, 2024 9:55:41 GMT
According to Swe news Trump says he wants a more polite and friendlier debate now, (since being shot). Maybe he's had an epiphany 🤔 and we'll see a nicer trump who no longer sends mean tweets out😆 Hopefully.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 19, 2024 10:00:07 GMT
Maybe he's had an epiphany 🤔 and we'll see a nicer trump who no longer sends mean tweets out😆 Hopefully. I mean its unlikely maybe. But a brush with death that close must make even the biggest narcissistic buffoon have a look inside themselves 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2024 11:08:37 GMT
Could you imagine Giant Heystacks or Big Daddy being encouraged to endorse a political candidate in the UK? I'm watching it live right now and if it wasn't so utterly pathetic, it might actually be kind of funny in a satirical kind of way. The convention is a pep rally. No more, no less. You’d think they’d be done with them at college but seemingly, grown adults need some pep to get through their day as well.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 19, 2024 11:59:36 GMT
Isn’t Stoke City a cult by the same logic? People singing about letting Jermaine Pennant shag their wives? Or maybe it’s more that people like to congregate in a bit of atmosphere. That’s why they play music in the pub and sing at the match. The Americans do that at political rallies, it’s no big deal. A couple of years ago Simon Schama compared them to Orwell’s Two Minute Hate when they booed Hillary Clinton’s name, which is just biased to the point of daft. We booed John Terry and that wankstain from QPR for 90 minutes who got Jerry Taggert sent off. I've never seen football fans showing up with their legs in plaster to show love for an injured footballer. It's cringe and a cult. 10 years ago we would be shown videos of people singing songs about Kim Jung Un and be told about how deranged North Korea is. But even they never went so far as to wear bandages to show solidarity for their love and saviour 😁 'Life of Brian' It's a sign! 😄 He's on a mission from God! 🕶🕶
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Post by 828492 on Jul 19, 2024 22:59:12 GMT
I've never seen football fans showing up with their legs in plaster to show love for an injured footballer. It's cringe and a cult. 10 years ago we would be shown videos of people singing songs about Kim Jung Un and be told about how deranged North Korea is. But even they never went so far as to wear bandages to show solidarity for their love and saviour 😁 'Life of Brian' It's a sign! 😄 He's on a mission from God! 🕶🕶 They wear those pads on their right ear because the sound waves enter through their left ear and as there is nothing between their ears to stop them exiting, they have to wear something to trap the noises in their heads.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2024 11:30:02 GMT
What the fuck is wrong with these men?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 23, 2024 11:36:18 GMT
What the fuck is wrong with these men? Otherwise known as "doing an Andrea Leadsom"...
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Jul 23, 2024 11:38:33 GMT
What the fuck is wrong with these men? Awful people. They stoke division, lies, and hate but if a civil war broke out you know they'd be the first to get out the country and leave the MAGA cult as cannon fodder. All a bunch of rats.
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