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Post by serpico on Jul 17, 2024 15:18:38 GMT
Last 50 years and 4 previous attempts on former/sitting presidents Loose gun control Kennedy both shot and killed Ford luckily escaped being shot Reagan shot Trump shot Tight gun control Prescott egged And Farage milkshaked. Ban dairy products and we are good. Even in the last 10 years Jo cox shot dead and David Amess stabbed to death!
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Post by Goonie on Jul 17, 2024 17:55:23 GMT
And Farage milkshaked. Ban dairy products and we are good. Even in the last 10 years Jo cox shot dead and David Amess stabbed to death! Yes good point A huge rise in Western extremism. Thankfully most people in the UK don't have access to firearms
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Post by andystokey on Jul 17, 2024 18:58:54 GMT
the more i read about this guy, the more his appointment seem extremely concerning. just so angry! however, some of the trump fanbase don't like him because his wife is Indian, and his kids have indian names, the left don't like him because he flip flopped on his views, a lot of women don't like him because of his views on abortion and domestic violence ... but he does seem popular. The question is to whom has been parachuted in to appease? Well he's Trump's son's bestie for a start. The sycophancy is extreme. Trump realised term v2 he needs to surround himself with different people. Remember how many officials he sacked first time around? Now he has chosen family and cult followers, regardless of skills. His daughter'in-law Lara Trump is now Republican party chief and notably the amount of his family on stage this week hints where all the jobs will go when he wins. Don Trump Jr and his fiancée, former Fox News host Kimberly Guilfoyle are scheduled to speak at the RNC. Ivanka and Jarad worked in the White House last time. Eric his other son is scheduled to speak. Rather than think politics think Corleone.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 17, 2024 20:02:57 GMT
She's defo Trumps nadine dories She doesn't DESTROY her at all. To have destroyed her, she would have had to put up a credible argument to the journos question, which she entirely avoids and instead deflects to a completely different topic and simply talks over the journo when she attempts to bring her back to the point. She has got zero interest in having a civilised conversation and would much rather reinforce to her audience, the mantra, that the (as she calls) 'problem' lies with the media and the deep state, rather than with the rhetoric of dangerous fuckwits like Vance. It's classic manipulation, she doesn't like having to answer the question, so instead, attacks the person asking it. And now Kari Lake, using EXACTLY the same tactics as MTG. These are dangerous people. It's all very well avoiding questions that you don't want to answer but when you do so, by attacking the person who is asking the question, then you cross the line into a completely different territory. It is a narrative of pure bullshit and hate, which sadly, their gullible audience all too easily swallow without applying any critical thinking to what is actually taking place.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 17, 2024 20:20:59 GMT
Show your patriotic pride ...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 17, 2024 21:39:59 GMT
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Post by frasier37 on Jul 18, 2024 5:41:12 GMT
Just listening to vance at the republican convention...how can the public not see he's playing them.. "for the working classes" ..as if.
Same thing here with Reform, or any other political party around. They are there for their own ends and nothing more.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 18, 2024 6:21:42 GMT
When they get in, which they will. Britain and Europe have a huge decision to make. Continue and pump money and arms at no insignificant cost and split with the USA or roll over and leave Ukraine to the wolves.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2024 6:25:12 GMT
When they get in, which they will. Britain and Europe have a huge decision to make. Continue and pump money and arms at no insignificant cost and split with the USA or roll over and leave Ukraine to the wolves. Trump will abandon Europe. We have to back them or Russia won’t stop at Ukraine. Indeed European nations should be doing their utmost to interfere in this election and try and swing it back. It’s very much in their interest to counter what Russia is doing with it.
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 18, 2024 6:40:04 GMT
When they get in, which they will. Britain and Europe have a huge decision to make. Continue and pump money and arms at no insignificant cost and split with the USA or roll over and leave Ukraine to the wolves. Some sort of negotiated settlement based on current front lines is inevitable at this point imo (unless Nato troops were directly involved). Ukraine doesnt have the men left to wage an offensive.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 18, 2024 6:46:14 GMT
When they get in, which they will. Britain and Europe have a huge decision to make. Continue and pump money and arms at no insignificant cost and split with the USA or roll over and leave Ukraine to the wolves. Some sort of negotiated settlement based on current front lines is inevitable at this point imo (unless Nato troops were directly involved). Ukraine doesnt have the men left to wage an offensive. Leaving several front lines in Europe with Russia that Putin can almost guarantee will never be defended with US help for 4 years at least.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 18, 2024 6:57:28 GMT
What an absolute top tier cunt 🤣
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 18, 2024 7:58:08 GMT
What an absolute top tier cunt 🤣 So many desperate people hanging on to Trump. Someone post an Inbetweeners Friend gif
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Post by frasier37 on Jul 18, 2024 8:00:01 GMT
What an absolute top tier cunt 🤣 So many desperate people hanging on to Trump Yeh im crossing the Atlantic tomorrow....Micky Mouse asked me
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jul 18, 2024 8:20:27 GMT
I see that Biden has Covid. Fingers crossed that this is a device to allow him to drop his campaign, failing that, I hope it makes him realise how fragile he is. My worry is that he comes through it ok and tries to use it as proof that he's still vibrant.
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 18, 2024 8:23:32 GMT
Some sort of negotiated settlement based on current front lines is inevitable at this point imo (unless Nato troops were directly involved). Ukraine doesnt have the men left to wage an offensive. Leaving several front lines in Europe with Russia that Putin can almost guarantee will never be defended with US help for 4 years at least. Europe is in no imminent danger - Russia is making progress in Ukraine purely as it has the man power advantage to grind away but it's own resources are now depleted. Also with NATO air power brought to bare, any sort of offensive would be annihilated. However Europe definitely needs to start to immediately look at how to defend itself without US help, it's not in our interests to be reliant on the whims of American politicians.
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Post by gawa on Jul 18, 2024 8:44:12 GMT
When they get in, which they will. Britain and Europe have a huge decision to make. Continue and pump money and arms at no insignificant cost and split with the USA or roll over and leave Ukraine to the wolves. Trump will abandon Europe. We have to back them or Russia won’t stop at Ukraine. Indeed European nations should be doing their utmost to interfere in this election and try and swing it back. It’s very much in their interest to counter what Russia is doing with it. And what about the 10s of thousands of kids dying in genocide in Gaza Bayern? Kids with down syndrome being mauled alive by IDF dogs. Schools, refugee camps and hospitals regularly bombed. Turning off water and electric, collectively punishing a whole population. Why do we need to "interfere" to swing the election for Ukraine? Why are ukranian lives (of which there are significant less civillian casualties) more important than Palestine lives? It's OK to elect a president if they support Israels genocide. But if they don't dare spend 100s of billions on a war in Ukraine we need to interfere? Hierarchy of lives? What makes ukranians more important?
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Post by andystokey on Jul 18, 2024 9:31:34 GMT
Leaving several front lines in Europe with Russia that Putin can almost guarantee will never be defended with US help for 4 years at least. Europe is in no imminent danger - Russia is making progress in Ukraine purely as it has the man power advantage to grind away but it's own resources are now depleted. Also with NATO air power brought to bare, any sort of offensive would be annihilated. However Europe definitely needs to start to immediately look at how to defend itself without US help, it's not in our interests to be reliant on the whims of American politicians. Agree about European defence. I think the calls for a European army will increase. We look increasingly isolated as a nation if Trump is elected. I would turn to my close neighbours who are frankly more similar to us than our American cousins.
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Post by noustie on Jul 18, 2024 9:44:30 GMT
I see that Biden has Covid. Fingers crossed that this is a device to allow him to drop his campaign, failing that, I hope it makes him realise how fragile he is. My worry is that he comes through it ok and tries to use it as proof that he's still vibrant.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 18, 2024 10:18:00 GMT
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Post by noustie on Jul 18, 2024 10:45:56 GMT
I’d rather know where the servers and emails are personally. Much like the Wikileaks bloke being accused of treachery it is a handy way of deflecting from what should be far more pressing concerns
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Post by gawa on Jul 18, 2024 11:38:06 GMT
Isn’t Stoke City a cult by the same logic? People singing about letting Jermaine Pennant shag their wives? Or maybe it’s more that people like to congregate in a bit of atmosphere. That’s why they play music in the pub and sing at the match. The Americans do that at political rallies, it’s no big deal. A couple of years ago Simon Schama compared them to Orwell’s Two Minute Hate when they booed Hillary Clinton’s name, which is just biased to the point of daft. We booed John Terry and that wankstain from QPR for 90 minutes who got Jerry Taggert sent off. I've never seen football fans showing up with their legs in plaster to show love for an injured footballer. It's cringe and a cult. 10 years ago we would be shown videos of people singing songs about Kim Jung Un and be told about how deranged North Korea is. But even they never went so far as to wear bandages to show solidarity for their love and saviour 😁
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 18, 2024 11:38:48 GMT
I’d rather know where the servers and emails are personally. Much like the Wikileaks bloke being accused of treachery it is a handy way of deflecting from what should be far more pressing concerns Servers and emails yes. And whilst they're at it see if they can find Hilarys 33,000 emails..
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 18, 2024 11:57:45 GMT
Isn’t Stoke City a cult by the same logic? People singing about letting Jermaine Pennant shag their wives? Or maybe it’s more that people like to congregate in a bit of atmosphere. That’s why they play music in the pub and sing at the match. The Americans do that at political rallies, it’s no big deal. A couple of years ago Simon Schama compared them to Orwell’s Two Minute Hate when they booed Hillary Clinton’s name, which is just biased to the point of daft. We booed John Terry and that wankstain from QPR for 90 minutes who got Jerry Taggert sent off. I've never seen football fans showing up with their legs in plaster to show love for an injured footballer. It's cringe and a cult. 10 years ago we would be shown videos of people singing songs about Kim Jung Un and be told about how deranged North Korea is. But even they never went so far as to wear bandages to show solidarity for their love and saviour 😁 It's astounding but at the same time not surprising. America is two countries within one and maybe Alex Garland's new film, Civil War, isn't too far off the mark.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 18, 2024 12:09:29 GMT
Trump will abandon Europe. We have to back them or Russia won’t stop at Ukraine. Indeed European nations should be doing their utmost to interfere in this election and try and swing it back. It’s very much in their interest to counter what Russia is doing with it. And what about the 10s of thousands of kids dying in genocide in Gaza Bayern? Kids with down syndrome being mauled alive by IDF dogs. Schools, refugee camps and hospitals regularly bombed. Turning off water and electric, collectively punishing a whole population. Why do we need to "interfere" to swing the election for Ukraine? Why are ukranian lives (of which there are significant less civillian casualties) more important than Palestine lives? It's OK to elect a president if they support Israels genocide. But if they don't dare spend 100s of billions on a war in Ukraine we need to interfere? Hierarchy of lives? What makes ukranians more important? They aren't more important on a human scale but geopolitically Ukraine is more important to the UK and Europe because of the potential knock on effects of an emboldened, tytanical Russia on our doorstep. Everyone's got a hierarchy to some degree Otherwise why do you spend more time talking about Gaza than - say - Sudan? Because of personal experience I'm pretty outraged about what is going on in Myanmar which matches what is going in in Gaza in brutality if not scale. But I don't talk about it on here because no-one gives a fuck.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 18, 2024 12:12:31 GMT
Isn’t Stoke City a cult by the same logic? People singing about letting Jermaine Pennant shag their wives? Or maybe it’s more that people like to congregate in a bit of atmosphere. That’s why they play music in the pub and sing at the match. The Americans do that at political rallies, it’s no big deal. A couple of years ago Simon Schama compared them to Orwell’s Two Minute Hate when they booed Hillary Clinton’s name, which is just biased to the point of daft. We booed John Terry and that wankstain from QPR for 90 minutes who got Jerry Taggert sent off. I've never seen football fans showing up with their legs in plaster to show love for an injured footballer. It's cringe and a cult. 10 years ago we would be shown videos of people singing songs about Kim Jung Un and be told about how deranged North Korea is. But even they never went so far as to wear bandages to show solidarity for their love and saviour 😁 Definitely a cult. It is utterly terrifying to think these people are running America. MTG at it again ...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 18, 2024 13:15:08 GMT
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Post by gawa on Jul 18, 2024 13:21:32 GMT
And what about the 10s of thousands of kids dying in genocide in Gaza Bayern? Kids with down syndrome being mauled alive by IDF dogs. Schools, refugee camps and hospitals regularly bombed. Turning off water and electric, collectively punishing a whole population. Why do we need to "interfere" to swing the election for Ukraine? Why are ukranian lives (of which there are significant less civillian casualties) more important than Palestine lives? It's OK to elect a president if they support Israels genocide. But if they don't dare spend 100s of billions on a war in Ukraine we need to interfere? Hierarchy of lives? What makes ukranians more important? They aren't more important on a human scale but geopolitically Ukraine is more important to the UK and Europe because of the potential knock on effects of an emboldened, tytanical Russia on our doorstep. Everyone's got a hierarchy to some degree Otherwise why do you spend more time talking about Gaza than - say - Sudan? Because of personal experience I'm pretty outraged about what is going on in Myanmar which matches what is going in in Gaza in brutality if not scale. But I don't talk about it on here because no-one gives a fuck. I disagree and don't think Ukraine is anymore important geopolitically. It's politics of fear and fearmongering what makes people think Russia is this huge threat. The best thing for the West isn't to carry on this war but instead find peace and while I don't support Trump in the slightest - we're much more likely to get that peace under him than Genocide Joe. Ukraine historically and presently has always been amongst the most corrupt countries in Europe I spend more time talking about Gaza because 10s of thousands of children are dying there as well as 10s of thousands of other innocent civillians. Those numbers are incomparable to what is happening in Ukraine. As for Sudan, the media very much drives what we discuss and debate - I'd ask why our media is barely reporting on it, probably don't want it to be discussed. I wouldn't be surprised if Sudan is another Rwanda or Iran in the making where the West are interfering and don't want a democracy to be formed but instead what to impose their own dictator who nods along and does what their big boss says. A bit like Paul Kagame who since being imposed by the West 30 years ago somehow has won every election. This is the same country which our government claimed is a safe country to send asylum seekers to. Or what about Iran with the Pahlavi dynasty another dictatorship backed by the West to exploit the Iranians. You probably know about them as we usually see the propaganda pushed by the west of videos of "how iran used to be". The more you read up on actual historical context in Palestine, Ukraine, Sudan, Israel, Rwanda, Iran and other countries the more you learn about what has led us to where we are today. Combine that with all the other corruption and war crimes we learned through wikileaks too. You begin to realise that we probably create many more problems than we solve. That doesn't make Russia or Putin a saint by any means, they also commit many war crimes and take part in propaganda. However with that said Luhansk and Donetsk have been independant republics for over a decade now, both regions have seen a huge drop in living standards since the fall of the soviet union and I don't believe there is a will there for them to rejoin Ukraine either (of which it was only a member for a few of decades of it's existence). The war started after Russia voted to recognise them as independant states which in turn breaks the Minsk 2 agreement. We should be trying to find peace rather than throwing hundreds of billions at Ukraine for more people to needlessly die. I am more worried about continuing this conflict and the ramifications that may have on us than the ramifications if we were to remove our funding and force Ukraine to actually take a seat at the negotiation table rather than sending bomb after bomb hoping Russia give up. Maybe if historically us, USA/UK, had a positive record of finding peaceful solutions after engaging in conflict I'd feel differently but time and time again we don't - we make things worse by sticking our nose in other peoples business, and increasing the death toll or prolonging conflict doesn't show any positive corelation towards better long term outcomes. When the shoe is on the other foot and it was Russia/Soviet Union building relations with countries bordering the USA the response from Western media was much different. Pretty sure a trade embargo still exists in Cuba till this day. But yeah Russia isn't going to do this full scale invasion of Europe, it is fearmongering and politics of fear and that fear is what is being used to justify continuing to support this needless conflict.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 18, 2024 14:28:28 GMT
They aren't more important on a human scale but geopolitically Ukraine is more important to the UK and Europe because of the potential knock on effects of an emboldened, tytanical Russia on our doorstep. Everyone's got a hierarchy to some degree Otherwise why do you spend more time talking about Gaza than - say - Sudan? Because of personal experience I'm pretty outraged about what is going on in Myanmar which matches what is going in in Gaza in brutality if not scale. But I don't talk about it on here because no-one gives a fuck. I disagree and don't think Ukraine is anymore important geopolitically. It's politics of fear and fearmongering what makes people think Russia is this huge threat. The best thing for the West isn't to carry on this war but instead find peace and while I don't support Trump in the slightest - we're much more likely to get that peace under him than Genocide Joe. Ukraine historically and presently has always been amongst the most corrupt countries in Europe I spend more time talking about Gaza because 10s of thousands of children are dying there as well as 10s of thousands of other innocent civillians. Those numbers are incomparable to what is happening in Ukraine. As for Sudan, the media very much drives what we discuss and debate - I'd ask why our media is barely reporting on it, probably don't want it to be discussed. I wouldn't be surprised if Sudan is another Rwanda or Iran in the making where the West are interfering and don't want a democracy to be formed but instead what to impose their own dictator who nods along and does what their big boss says. A bit like Paul Kagame who since being imposed by the West 30 years ago somehow has won every election. This is the same country which our government claimed is a safe country to send asylum seekers to. Or what about Iran with the Pahlavi dynasty another dictatorship backed by the West to exploit the Iranians. You probably know about them as we usually see the propaganda pushed by the west of videos of "how iran used to be". The more you read up on actual historical context in Palestine, Ukraine, Sudan, Israel, Rwanda, Iran and other countries the more you learn about what has led us to where we are today. Combine that with all the other corruption and war crimes we learned through wikileaks too. You begin to realise that we probably create many more problems than we solve. That doesn't make Russia or Putin a saint by any means, they also commit many war crimes and take part in propaganda. However with that said Luhansk and Donetsk have been independant republics for over a decade now, both regions have seen a huge drop in living standards since the fall of the soviet union and I don't believe there is a will there for them to rejoin Ukraine either (of which it was only a member for a few of decades of it's existence). The war started after Russia voted to recognise them as independant states which in turn breaks the Minsk 2 agreement. We should be trying to find peace rather than throwing hundreds of billions at Ukraine for more people to needlessly die. I am more worried about continuing this conflict and the ramifications that may have on us than the ramifications if we were to remove our funding and force Ukraine to actually take a seat at the negotiation table rather than sending bomb after bomb hoping Russia give up. Maybe if historically us, USA/UK, had a positive record of finding peaceful solutions after engaging in conflict I'd feel differently but time and time again we don't - we make things worse by sticking our nose in other peoples business, and increasing the death toll or prolonging conflict doesn't show any positive corelation towards better long term outcomes. When the shoe is on the other foot and it was Russia/Soviet Union building relations with countries bordering the USA the response from Western media was much different. Pretty sure a trade embargo still exists in Cuba till this day. But yeah Russia isn't going to do this full scale invasion of Europe, it is fearmongering and politics of fear and that fear is what is being used to justify continuing to support this needless conflict. That's just an anti-imperialist rant mate as well as pretty condescending to suggest that others are just 'played' by the media and you are not. And you've still got a 'hierarchy of lives' which I suggest is no better or worse than a lot of other people's. Just different.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 18, 2024 14:52:45 GMT
Are Islam and Christianity cults?
Or just started as cults and got out of hand?
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