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Post by andystokey on Jul 16, 2024 12:48:59 GMT
"Special" relationship my arse.
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Post by gawa on Jul 16, 2024 14:57:00 GMT
How cringey is this
You'd think he was Jesus and the congregation were singing hymns about him.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 16, 2024 15:00:01 GMT
26 minutes? š²
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 16, 2024 15:06:38 GMT
How cringey is this You'd think he was Jesus and the congregation were singing hymns about him. Beyond cringe, it's a fuckin cult! š¤¦āāļø
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Post by Goonie on Jul 16, 2024 15:10:50 GMT
I'm waiting for the Zapruder film
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 16, 2024 15:35:48 GMT
How cringey is this You'd think he was Jesus and the congregation were singing hymns about him. Beyond cringe, it's a fuckin cult! š¤¦āāļø Certainly the majority of letters are right
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 16, 2024 16:05:37 GMT
How cringey is this You'd think he was Jesus and the congregation were singing hymns about him. Beyond cringe, it's a fuckin cult! š¤¦āāļø Speaking of cringe (and apologies for hijacking the thread)... FWIW Paul, apologies for my utter dickheadedness towards you a few weeks back on a different thread. Nothing personal meant, just a bad time and my bile was completely misplaced towards you. Not an excuse at all, simply context but my attitude was 100% uncalled for and out of order. Only mentioning here rather than in PM as I was happy enough to talk shit in front of the board, so I'll happily hold my hands up and admit my wrongdoings in the same manner. Apologies again. Sorry all, on with the thread...
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 16, 2024 17:16:39 GMT
Trump shouldn't have any chance at all but the Democrats bizzarely decided to stick with a bloke who is clearly mentally unfit for the job.
You'd have thought a 3rd party candidate like Kennedy would be the obvious choice considering the other options but the US seems totally wedded to its 2 party system.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jul 16, 2024 17:33:40 GMT
Beyond cringe, it's a fuckin cult! š¤¦āāļø Speaking of cringe (and apologies for hijacking the thread)... FWIW Paul, apologies for my utter dickheadedness towards you a few weeks back on a different thread. Nothing personal meant, just a bad time and my bile was completely misplaced towards you. Not an excuse at all, simply context but my attitude was 100% uncalled for and out of order. Only mentioning here rather than in PM as I was happy enough to talk shit in front of the board, so I'll happily hold my hands up and admit my wrongdoings in the same manner. Apologies again. Sorry all, on with the thread... What a refreshing post. There should be more of this. Pretty much all of us have said stuff on here that crosses a line. Me included. In general the instinct is to dig in. Good on you, mate.
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Post by gawa on Jul 16, 2024 18:57:03 GMT
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Post by Mendicant on Jul 16, 2024 19:06:55 GMT
Isnāt Stoke City a cult by the same logic? People singing about letting Jermaine Pennant shag their wives?
Or maybe itās more that people like to congregate in a bit of atmosphere. Thatās why they play music in the pub and sing at the match. The Americans do that at political rallies, itās no big deal. A couple of years ago Simon Schama compared them to Orwellās Two Minute Hate when they booed Hillary Clintonās name, which is just biased to the point of daft. We booed John Terry and that wankstain from QPR for 90 minutes who got Jerry Taggert sent off.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 16, 2024 20:11:28 GMT
Isnāt Stoke City a cult by the same logic? People singing about letting Jermaine Pennant shag their wives? Or maybe itās more that people like to congregate in a bit of atmosphere. Thatās why they play music in the pub and sing at the match. The Americans do that at political rallies, itās no big deal. A couple of years ago Simon Schama compared them to Orwellās Two Minute Hate when they booed Hillary Clintonās name, which is just biased to the point of daft. We booed John Terry and that wankstain from QPR for 90 minutes who got Jerry Taggert sent off. Football supporters KNOW that their idols aren't really Gods and that's why the accusation of being in a cult would fall flat if levelled against them but seriously, I'm not at all sure you can (confidently) say the same about the MAGA's at the moment. When CNN (of all people) start using commentary referencing, "divine providence", "miracles" and being allowed to live "by the grace of God", personally I think we've crossed the rubicon mate and I find the entire thing extremely disturbing.
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Post by Mendicant on Jul 16, 2024 21:02:04 GMT
Isnāt Stoke City a cult by the same logic? People singing about letting Jermaine Pennant shag their wives? Or maybe itās more that people like to congregate in a bit of atmosphere. Thatās why they play music in the pub and sing at the match. The Americans do that at political rallies, itās no big deal. A couple of years ago Simon Schama compared them to Orwellās Two Minute Hate when they booed Hillary Clintonās name, which is just biased to the point of daft. We booed John Terry and that wankstain from QPR for 90 minutes who got Jerry Taggert sent off. Football supporters KNOW that their idols aren't really Gods and that's why the accusation of being in a cult would fall flat if levelled against them but seriously, I'm not at all sure you can (confidently) say the same about the MAGA's at the moment. When CNN (of all people) start using commentary referencing, "divine providence", "miracles" and being allowed to live "by the grace of God", personally I think we've crossed the rubicon mate and I find the entire thing extremely disturbing. I have never heard a single Trump supporter refer to him in those terms or consider him a God etc. Waving a flag and chanting doesnāt make them an irrational zealot even in a society much more religious than ours. Itās an attempt to discredit the candidate by characterising his support in a bad light to create a disincentive to vote for him. In turn, the right do the same with liberals, both sides do it. The Rubicon may well have been crossed in this election with the shooting as attitudes harden. What worries me is heās being allowed to win by the WEF so he has to deal with China invading Taiwan. That worries me.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 16, 2024 21:10:26 GMT
Football supporters KNOW that their idols aren't really Gods and that's why the accusation of being in a cult would fall flat if levelled against them but seriously, I'm not at all sure you can (confidently) say the same about the MAGA's at the moment. When CNN (of all people) start using commentary referencing, "divine providence", "miracles" and being allowed to live "by the grace of God", personally I think we've crossed the rubicon mate and I find the entire thing extremely disturbing. I have never heard a single Trump supporter refer to him in those terms or consider him a God etc. Waving a flag and chanting doesnāt make them an irrational zealot even in a society much more religious than ours. Itās an attempt to discredit the candidate by characterising his support in a bad light to create a disincentive to vote for him. In turn, the right do the same with liberals, both sides do it. The Rubicon may well have been crossed in this election with the shooting as attitudes harden. What worries me is heās being allowed to win by the WEF so he has to deal with China invading Taiwan. That worries me. These words from Emily Maitlis (who was in the room at the time) came several hours AFTER I posted. I (not surprisingly) concur ...
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Post by andystokey on Jul 16, 2024 22:01:05 GMT
I think this particular Empire has reached the stage where the Emperor tries to make his horse a consul.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 16, 2024 22:01:46 GMT
Beyond cringe, it's a fuckin cult! š¤¦āāļø Speaking of cringe (and apologies for hijacking the thread)... FWIW Paul, apologies for my utter dickheadedness towards you a few weeks back on a different thread. Nothing personal meant, just a bad time and my bile was completely misplaced towards you. Not an excuse at all, simply context but my attitude was 100% uncalled for and out of order. Only mentioning here rather than in PM as I was happy enough to talk shit in front of the board, so I'll happily hold my hands up and admit my wrongdoings in the same manner. Apologies again. Sorry all, on with the thread...
Thanks for having the bollocks to say as much Millsy, your words are greatly appreciated.
Rather odd that some people who were 100% behind you and praising your 'bile' at the time are now liking your post but hey, folk are indeed odd, I doubt that they'll be climbing down anytime soon though.
And it really means a lot that you didn't use the PM facility, you're a gent, with bags of integrity, thank you.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 16, 2024 23:06:18 GMT
Great. A Putinist VP. I read his book. It's shocking that it's the same guy. In the book he describes a situation for his area a lot like what Stoke's gone through, it's really sympathetic. Surprised me to see him flip completely and join the side trying to throw his own people on the fire.
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Post by desman2 on Jul 16, 2024 23:09:16 GMT
Dont know whether youve seen it Paul but the official line says that the shot came from 480 yards away yet this guy was only 150 yards away.
It mentions it on this video. Its not the whole video, just the initial sunject matter.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 16, 2024 23:32:01 GMT
The main point Vance is making in his little joke is how irrelevant UK is. Embarrassingly some of our failed or irrelevant Politicians Johnson, Truss and Farage are attempting to feed from the crumbs that fall from the Trump table Some posters even delusionaly believe that they understand Realpolitik such that there may be some merit in Farage being in Milwaukee not Clacton as an exercise other than to line his own pockets. Brexiteers in particular should understand the "America First" isolationist policy but on the contrary they feel slighted by it. The "Global Britain" "Soft Power" Saddos are even more pathetic The Europeans aren't much better in their indecisiveness and lack of direction and leadership Russia is perceived to be an existential threat to European Stability The new US administration is likely to say vis a vis Ukraine "get on with it, we're out" The Russian Economy is similar to Mexico's but Europe can't agree how to extinguish the existential threat without US holding its hand .... and paying for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2024 23:54:24 GMT
The main point Vance is making in his little joke is how irrelevant UK is. Embarrassingly some of our failed or irrelevant Politicians Johnson, Truss and Farage are attempting to feed from the crumbs that fall from the Trump tableĀ Some posters even delusionaly believe that they understand Realpolitik such that there may be some merit in Farage being in Milwaukee not Clacton as an exercise other than to line his own pockets. Brexiteers in particular should understand the "America First" isolationist policy but on the contrary they feel slighted by it. The "Global Britain" "Soft Power" Saddos are even more patheticĀ The Europeans aren't much better in their indecisiveness and lack of direction and leadershipĀ Russia is perceived to be an existential threat to European Stability The new US administration is likely to say vis a vis Ukraine "get on with it, we're out" The Russian Economy is similar to Mexico's but Europe can't agree how to extinguish the existential threat without US holding its hand .... and paying for it. The US will get very sad later when itās not being asked to hold peopleās hands. For generations, itās been the big boy on the block. If the big boy wants to go inside and play with his PS5, he shouldnāt be surprised when he returns to find his friends have found someone else to hide behind while they throw shit at the kids on the next block. The last thing a narcissist like Trump would want is to have people turn around and say āyeah, we donāt need you anymoreā. It would crush the GOP if military spending was cut as well and why do you need fortunes spent on the military if you arenāt the one people keep running to with all their problems anymore?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 17, 2024 0:04:19 GMT
Dont know whether youve seen it Paul but the official line says that the shot came from 480 yards away yet this guy was only 150 yards away. It mentions it on this video. Its not the whole video, just the initial sunject matter. No doubt there are still some very difficult questions that need to be answered Des. Not least, if the shooter did act alone, how did he know just which building would be left unsecured, before he rucked up in broad daylight, with a rifle, 50 rounds of ammo and a 15ft ladder, was it simply pure luck?
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Post by desman2 on Jul 17, 2024 0:04:54 GMT
The main point Vance is making in his little joke is how irrelevant UK is. Embarrassingly some of our failed or irrelevant Politicians Johnson, Truss and Farage are attempting to feed from the crumbs that fall from the Trump tableĀ Some posters even delusionaly believe that they understand Realpolitik such that there may be some merit in Farage being in Milwaukee not Clacton as an exercise other than to line his own pockets. Brexiteers in particular should understand the "America First" isolationist policy but on the contrary they feel slighted by it. The "Global Britain" "Soft Power" Saddos are even more patheticĀ The Europeans aren't much better in their indecisiveness and lack of direction and leadershipĀ Russia is perceived to be an existential threat to European Stability The new US administration is likely to say vis a vis Ukraine "get on with it, we're out" The Russian Economy is similar to Mexico's but Europe can't agree how to extinguish the existential threat without US holding its hand .... and paying for it. The US will get very sad later when itās not being asked to hold peopleās hands. For generations, itās been the big boy on the block. If the big boy wants to go inside and play with his PS5, he shouldnāt be surprised when he returns to find his friends have found someone else to hide behind while they throw shit at the kids on the next block. The last thing a narcissist like Trump would want is to have people turn around and say āyeah, we donāt need you anymoreā. It would crush the GOP if military spending was cut as well and why do you need fortunes spent on the military if you arenāt the one people keep running to with all their problems anymore? Who can anyone else hide behind. In the last war Europe had no one to hide behind and it rolled over like a puppy haning its belly tickled.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2024 0:07:49 GMT
The US will get very sad later when itās not being asked to hold peopleās hands. For generations, itās been the big boy on the block. If the big boy wants to go inside and play with his PS5, he shouldnāt be surprised when he returns to find his friends have found someone else to hide behind while they throw shit at the kids on the next block. The last thing a narcissist like Trump would want is to have people turn around and say āyeah, we donāt need you anymoreā. It would crush the GOP if military spending was cut as well and why do you need fortunes spent on the military if you arenāt the one people keep running to with all their problems anymore? Who can anyone else hide behind. In the last war Europe had no one to hide behind and it rolled over like a puppy haning its belly tickled. My guess would be China, who are just sitting there waiting to launch a massive media campaign on how they are actually very good guys (aided by all but the US). Cue millions of bots and positive news stories.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 17, 2024 0:18:26 GMT
The main point Vance is making in his little joke is how irrelevant UK is. Embarrassingly some of our failed or irrelevant Politicians Johnson, Truss and Farage are attempting to feed from the crumbs that fall from the Trump tableĀ Some posters even delusionaly believe that they understand Realpolitik such that there may be some merit in Farage being in Milwaukee not Clacton as an exercise other than to line his own pockets. Brexiteers in particular should understand the "America First" isolationist policy but on the contrary they feel slighted by it. The "Global Britain" "Soft Power" Saddos are even more patheticĀ The Europeans aren't much better in their indecisiveness and lack of direction and leadershipĀ Russia is perceived to be an existential threat to European Stability The new US administration is likely to say vis a vis Ukraine "get on with it, we're out" The Russian Economy is similar to Mexico's but Europe can't agree how to extinguish the existential threat without US holding its hand .... and paying for it. I actually find his little joke, utterly offensive but I can live with offensive. What I can't live with though, is highly dangerous fuckwits being given platforms on the most prominent of political stages, to spew this poisonous rhetoric. These are the ignorant fuckers, who, history has proven, time and time again, will be the ones who will lead the world into the most dangerous of places.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 17, 2024 0:46:29 GMT
The main point Vance is making in his little joke is how irrelevant UK is. Embarrassingly some of our failed or irrelevant Politicians Johnson, Truss and Farage are attempting to feed from the crumbs that fall from the Trump table Some posters even delusionaly believe that they understand Realpolitik such that there may be some merit in Farage being in Milwaukee not Clacton as an exercise other than to line his own pockets. Brexiteers in particular should understand the "America First" isolationist policy but on the contrary they feel slighted by it. The "Global Britain" "Soft Power" Saddos are even more pathetic The Europeans aren't much better in their indecisiveness and lack of direction and leadership Russia is perceived to be an existential threat to European Stability The new US administration is likely to say vis a vis Ukraine "get on with it, we're out" The Russian Economy is similar to Mexico's but Europe can't agree how to extinguish the existential threat without US holding its hand .... and paying for it. The US will get very sad later when itās not being asked to hold peopleās hands. For generations, itās been the big boy on the block. If the big boy wants to go inside and play with his PS5, he shouldnāt be surprised when he returns to find his friends have found someone else to hide behind while they throw shit at the kids on the next block. The last thing a narcissist like Trump would want is to have people turn around and say āyeah, we donāt need you anymoreā. It would crush the GOP if military spending was cut as well and why do you need fortunes spent on the military if you arenāt the one people keep running to with all their problems anymore? Every dominant Empire has a limited time span, some just take that bit longer to realise and accept Most predictions are that by 2035 China will become the largest Economy and surprisingly US will regain top spot in about 2050 but will be overtaken by India in 2080 This is a relatively short timespan but I'd add Indonesia to the mix becoming 4th behind India, China and US by 2080. None of this takes into account the possibility of Madmen, Epidemic or Global Warming Even if the predictions and timescales are a little skewed it points to a natural reorder which will be accepted as norm Other than to advance their egos and their perceived place in History nothing that Trump or indeed Vance can do will halt that inexorable change My main point which I've obviously not expressed clearly is that Britain which did hold the No 1 position has not yet fully grasped how to accept its fall from grace, its like a maiden impoverished Aunt with delusions of grandeur The main driver of the four Countries that are likely to hold the top positions 50 years hence are massive populations or the collective brains of the top 5% of its population. Religion will have have very little influence other than how its Society is controlled Hindu, None, Alleged Christianity and Muslim.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 17, 2024 1:07:39 GMT
The main point Vance is making in his little joke is how irrelevant UK is. Embarrassingly some of our failed or irrelevant Politicians Johnson, Truss and Farage are attempting to feed from the crumbs that fall from the Trump table Some posters even delusionaly believe that they understand Realpolitik such that there may be some merit in Farage being in Milwaukee not Clacton as an exercise other than to line his own pockets. Brexiteers in particular should understand the "America First" isolationist policy but on the contrary they feel slighted by it. The "Global Britain" "Soft Power" Saddos are even more pathetic The Europeans aren't much better in their indecisiveness and lack of direction and leadership Russia is perceived to be an existential threat to European Stability The new US administration is likely to say vis a vis Ukraine "get on with it, we're out" The Russian Economy is similar to Mexico's but Europe can't agree how to extinguish the existential threat without US holding its hand .... and paying for it. I actually find his little joke, utterly offensive but I can live with offensive. What I can't live with though, is highly dangerous fuckwits being given platforms on the most prominent of political stages, to spew this poisonous rhetoric. These are the ignorant fuckers, who, history has proven, time and time again, will be the ones who will lead the world into the most dangerous of places. Vance can spew his rhetoric with mpunity because he knows that he is very likely to become the next Vice President of US a position that holds about as much power as the "First Lady" or in British terms "the spare" It does however place him in pole position to become the next President "only a heartbeat away" or at the next Election He has shown a propensity to shift position from originally labeling Trump as a dirtbag to now endorsing him as the Second Coming. His current "America First " plays well but if the Economy Tanks due to protectionism it will get old very fast. American Elections are won by keeping down the price of a Gallon of Gas and the price of a Hamburger
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 17, 2024 1:44:23 GMT
The US will get very sad later when itās not being asked to hold peopleās hands. For generations, itās been the big boy on the block. If the big boy wants to go inside and play with his PS5, he shouldnāt be surprised when he returns to find his friends have found someone else to hide behind while they throw shit at the kids on the next block. The last thing a narcissist like Trump would want is to have people turn around and say āyeah, we donāt need you anymoreā. It would crush the GOP if military spending was cut as well and why do you need fortunes spent on the military if you arenāt the one people keep running to with all their problems anymore? My main point which I've obviously not expressed clearly is that Britain which did hold the No 1 position has not yet fully grasped how to accept its fall from grace, its like a maiden impoverished Aunt with delusions of grandeur
Exactly.
And it's going to fuckin destroy us if Farage and his like are allowed to exploit it.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 17, 2024 4:04:19 GMT
American Elections are won by keeping down the price of a Gallon of Gas and the price of a HamburgerĀ The idea that there will be remotely free and fair elections in future if Trump wins is cute. We can look to Putin's Russia to see what the Republican goal is.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 17, 2024 4:06:59 GMT
Great. A Putinist VP. I read his book. It's shocking that it's the same guy. In the book he describes a situation for his area a lot like what Stoke's gone through, it's really sympathetic. Surprised me to see him flip completely and join the side trying to throw his own people on the fire. Of course trump's pick is fine with abandoning the people who want to stop the baby murderers from murdering their babies. Even when stopping it is the cheapest thing in the long term for America, in the security interests of the US and its allies, will reduce the risk of future war and nuclear proliferation etc etc. But it's helping a democracy against a brutal tyrant so he's against it.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 17, 2024 6:07:17 GMT
Speaking of cringe (and apologies for hijacking the thread)... FWIW Paul, apologies for my utter dickheadedness towards you a few weeks back on a different thread. Nothing personal meant, just a bad time and my bile was completely misplaced towards you. Not an excuse at all, simply context but my attitude was 100% uncalled for and out of order. Only mentioning here rather than in PM as I was happy enough to talk shit in front of the board, so I'll happily hold my hands up and admit my wrongdoings in the same manner. Apologies again. Sorry all, on with the thread... What a refreshing post. There should be more of this. Pretty much all of us have said stuff on here that crosses a line. Me included. In general the instinct is to dig in. Good on you, mate. Well said it takes guts to admit youāve overstepped the mark. Massive respect Mick.
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