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Post by hcstokie on Jul 14, 2024 18:11:45 GMT
It’s completely unacceptable and has no place in a supposed democracy.
Having watched the video of the incident a couple of times, I found it absolutely bizarre that the crowd’s reaction was to film it on their phones, but most surprising was the ‘USA’ chants. Their pride in their country at that precise moment included;
1. Two old age presidential candidates. One with clear signs of dementia and one a convicted criminal that previously attempted a coup.
2. Gun laws that allowed a nutter to obtain the firearm that he used to attempt to bump off Trump.
3. A dead spectator and a couple more critically injured in the crowd.
The reaction was bizarre, and then you hear Trump wanting to stay on the stage to get his shoes. Mental!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 14, 2024 18:26:52 GMT
It’s completely unacceptable and has no place in a supposed democracy. Having watched the video of the incident a couple of times, I found it absolutely bizarre that the crowd’s reaction was to film it on their phones, but most surprising was the ‘USA’ chants. Their pride in their country at that precise moment included; 1. Two old age presidential candidates. One with clear signs of dementia and one a convicted criminal that previously attempted a coup. 2. Gun laws that allowed a nutter to obtain the firearm that he used to attempt to bump off Trump. 3. A dead spectator and a couple more critically injured in the crowd. The reaction was bizarre, and then you hear Trump wanting to stay on the stage to get his shoes. Mental! It’s very difficult in a moment like that to know how to react. Both the crowd and Trump would have so much going through their minds and people do strange things when in shock. I think a little leeway should be afforded to those people. No matter what you thoughts are politically and of Trump this kind of incident should be seen for what it is, attempted murder in full view of the world. Horrific and my thoughts are with the victims families.
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Post by Goonie on Jul 14, 2024 18:27:59 GMT
I suppose some NRA advocate will argue that if the whole crowd had AR15s someone would have picked him off. Of course the opposite is true also and everyone would be a potential threat There is a case for people being trained properly in how to use their guns. Yes I agree. If the would-be assassin had better training this would be about a successful assassination attempt 😯😁 Seriously though, this is a landmark turn of events in American history, up their with the Reagan attempt only I fear it being escalated by every single opinion on the spectrum on the internet. I can see this ushering in a new wave of extremism in the USA, perhaps on both sides of the spectrum I'm sure it'll turn out the lone gunman had serious mental health issues which is another potential argument for gun control, but as CivilleStokie says, where the hell do you begin?
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Post by Goonie on Jul 14, 2024 18:39:57 GMT
It’s completely unacceptable and has no place in a supposed democracy. Having watched the video of the incident a couple of times, I found it absolutely bizarre that the crowd’s reaction was to film it on their phones, but most surprising was the ‘USA’ chants. Their pride in their country at that precise moment included; 1. Two old age presidential candidates. One with clear signs of dementia and one a convicted criminal that previously attempted a coup. 2. Gun laws that allowed a nutter to obtain the firearm that he used to attempt to bump off Trump. 3. A dead spectator and a couple more critically injured in the crowd. The reaction was bizarre, and then you hear Trump wanting to stay on the stage to get his shoes. Mental! It’s very difficult in a moment like that to know how to react. Both the crowd and Trump would have so much going through their minds and people do strange things when in shock. I think a little leeway should be afforded to those people. No matter what you thoughts are politically and of Trump this kind of incident should be seen for what it is, attempted murder in full view of the world. Horrific and my thoughts are with the victims families. Absolutely. Violence is the antithesis of democracy Trump is a disruptor to the normal equilibrium of US politics and when a system is disrupted there are in and unintended consequences He nearly caused a coup detat The french philosopher Baudrillard once said that Disneyland is there to hide the fact America is Disneyland. If he were alive today would he be saying American politics has become a Hollywood soap opera?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 14, 2024 18:56:02 GMT
But the implication is that Trump would willingly allow someone to shoot him? The man who avoided war because of “bone spurs”? I just don’t buy it. I have the lowest opinion of Trump as an individual and a President, but I cannot see him (needing to) stoop to that. Nor could I see him being able to keep calm at all in the lead up to it. Oh I agree, no way would he be willingly doing that. I’d say any “inside job” stuff would be more geared at getting rid of trump, so your kind of deep state style conspiracy stuff I can't see anyone willingly agreeing to be the 'failed' assassin in some set-up if they knew at the end if it they'd be shot dead either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2024 18:59:20 GMT
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Post by hcstokie on Jul 14, 2024 19:52:56 GMT
It’s completely unacceptable and has no place in a supposed democracy. Having watched the video of the incident a couple of times, I found it absolutely bizarre that the crowd’s reaction was to film it on their phones, but most surprising was the ‘USA’ chants. Their pride in their country at that precise moment included; 1. Two old age presidential candidates. One with clear signs of dementia and one a convicted criminal that previously attempted a coup. 2. Gun laws that allowed a nutter to obtain the firearm that he used to attempt to bump off Trump. 3. A dead spectator and a couple more critically injured in the crowd. The reaction was bizarre, and then you hear Trump wanting to stay on the stage to get his shoes. Mental! It’s very difficult in a moment like that to know how to react. Both the crowd and Trump would have so much going through their minds and people do strange things when in shock. I think a little leeway should be afforded to those people. No matter what you thoughts are politically and of Trump this kind of incident should be seen for what it is, attempted murder in full view of the world. Horrific and my thoughts are with the victims families. I absolutely agree, perhaps it’s a generational thing. If I was in that crowd the absolutely last thing I’d think of doing is getting out my phone to record this moment for posterity. Apparently the person that died did so because they jumped on their family to protect them which you’d think would be the more natural reaction. As you say, an absolutely horrific event and there’s no place for it in democratic society.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 14, 2024 22:01:30 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2024 22:10:28 GMT
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 15, 2024 0:08:36 GMT
Biden should be motivating a well trained marine.
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Post by sticky on Jul 15, 2024 5:58:53 GMT
Then he shouldn’t be there then should he, irresponsible to put him up there in the first place That doesn’t make it open season or justification to call him a mumbling corpse Perhaps I’m just better than that Yeah of course you are.. a thread on Tory’s or the Royals it’s open season. Bore off
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Post by werrington on Jul 15, 2024 6:56:42 GMT
That doesn’t make it open season or justification to call him a mumbling corpse Perhaps I’m just better than that Yeah of course you are.. a thread on Tory’s or the Royals it’s open season. Bore off I’ve never mocked anybody’s health no matter who they are Have a thought about that eh
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 15, 2024 7:02:01 GMT
Yeah of course you are.. a thread on Tory’s or the Royals it’s open season. Bore off I’ve never mocked anybody’s health no matter who they are …Have a thought about that eh Oh yeh well I’m better than both of you😛
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 15, 2024 7:03:25 GMT
Yeah of course you are.. a thread on Tory’s or the Royals it’s open season. Bore off Bore off yourself …. I’ve never mocked anybody’s health no matter who they are I’m better than that His health is absolutely fucked though and he shouldn't be anywhere near the role of US President. That's not being mean or controversial, it's just fact. He's a terrible state who literally doesn't know what day it is half the time. How his wife can cheer this humiliation on is beyond me.
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Post by werrington on Jul 15, 2024 7:04:45 GMT
Bore off yourself …. I’ve never mocked anybody’s health no matter who they are I’m better than that His health is absolutely fucked though and he shouldn't be anywhere near the role of US President. That's not being mean or controversial, it's just fact. He's a terrible state who literally doesn't know what day it is half the time. How his wife can cheer this humiliation on is beyond me. I agree 100% but you’ve missed the point I was making
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Post by sticky on Jul 15, 2024 7:11:46 GMT
Yeah of course you are.. a thread on Tory’s or the Royals it’s open season. Bore off I’ve never mocked anybody’s health no matter who they are Have a thought about that eh I’ve seen plenty of your posts in the past, so won’t be taking any lectures of you, anyway let’s not clog the thread up eh
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 15, 2024 9:33:23 GMT
absolute insanity that trump wasn't pulled from the stage immediately, or the shooter dealt with.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 15, 2024 11:26:35 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 15, 2024 14:29:04 GMT
When you see it pieced together like this, it's bordering on the impossible, that they could have been so incompetent ...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 15:03:44 GMT
absolute insanity that trump wasn't pulled from the stage immediately, or the shooter dealt with. I’m shocked that the secret service were not on point. I’m not surprised by local cops not being amazing at their jobs. There is a massive recruitment issue for many localities with regards to police in the US. Invariably, that means that forces are either over worked, or under qualified (or both).
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 15, 2024 15:07:13 GMT
The ladder is the biggest piece of evidence so far, that indicates that the shooter didn't act alone ...
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 15, 2024 15:18:24 GMT
When you see it pieced together like this, it's bordering on the impossible, that they could have been so incompetent ... i was hoping that someone could have pieced together a visual and audio timeline so we could see what exactly happened in direct correlation to the speech and the shooting. i'm stunned that this wasn't stopped earlier. i'm really not a trump fan at all, but the only way i see out of all this is that trump is reinstated for a second after the election (i think he'll win because of this), and that he leaves office after completing his term, thereby placating his cult like following because he cannot serve more than 8 years total. I can't see any other way that wouldn't lead to civil war and any number of seriously nefarious goings on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2024 15:19:51 GMT
House Speaker Mike Johnson, a Republican, joined calls for restraint, telling CNN: “It’s a dark time in the history of the country. This is a dangerous time. And we’ve been suggesting that all elected officials, from the president on down, really try to draw the country together. We need a unified message. We need to turn the temperature down.”
I would love for politicians to actually do this. They won’t but it would be nice to see.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jul 15, 2024 15:40:09 GMT
The ladder is the biggest piece of evidence so far, that indicates that the shooter didn't act alone ... I'd be very wary indeed of taking Nick Fuentes at his word, especially when there is something for him to gain. If this is the first time you've come across him, I suggest you check him out further. I'm not saying there's nothing to see here, but I've also seen contradictory "evidence" to at least one of his points. Hopefully, people won't start going missing and committing suicide, and a serious investigation can come to a reasonable conclusion.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 15, 2024 16:02:03 GMT
Young person goes on shooting spree in US isn't exactly a unique event. Neither is incompetent officials not doing their job properly. And neither is rather than go for the simple explanation let's write a new episode of the X Files to explain what happened.
I'm going nut job with gun plus cock up explanation.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 15, 2024 16:08:06 GMT
The ladder is the biggest piece of evidence so far, that indicates that the shooter didn't act alone ... I'd be very wary indeed of taking Nick Fuentes at his word, especially when there is something for him to gain. If this is the first time you've come across him, I suggest you check him out further. I'm not saying there's nothing to see here, but I've also seen contradictory "evidence" to at least one of his points. Hopefully, people won't start going missing and committing suicide, and a serious investigation can come to a reasonable conclusion. I was referring to the ladder and the ladder only. There is numerous eye witness testaments to it being there. I could have posted any one of a hundred+ tweets referring to it, Fuentes is an irrelevance, maybe I should have made that clearer, apologies.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jul 15, 2024 16:21:03 GMT
I'd be very wary indeed of taking Nick Fuentes at his word, especially when there is something for him to gain. If this is the first time you've come across him, I suggest you check him out further. I'm not saying there's nothing to see here, but I've also seen contradictory "evidence" to at least one of his points. Hopefully, people won't start going missing and committing suicide, and a serious investigation can come to a reasonable conclusion. I was referring to the ladder and the ladder only. There is numerous eye witness testaments to it being there. I could have posted any one of a hundred+ tweets referring to it, Fuentes is an irrelevance, maybe I should have made that clearer, apologies. No apology is required or sought, and he may well be stating facts, the problem is that selectively telling the truth is important to people with ulterior motives.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 15, 2024 16:54:10 GMT
I was referring to the ladder and the ladder only. There is numerous eye witness testaments to it being there. I could have posted any one of a hundred+ tweets referring to it, Fuentes is an irrelevance, maybe I should have made that clearer, apologies. No apology is required or sought, and he may well be stating facts, the problem is that selectively telling the truth is important to people with ulterior motives. I don't actually agree that there IS a problem because it's (as i said) NOT about Fuentes, I just randomly picked his tweet out of a hundreds that had a picture of the ladder in it.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jul 15, 2024 17:52:46 GMT
No apology is required or sought, and he may well be stating facts, the problem is that selectively telling the truth is important to people with ulterior motives. I don't actually agree that there IS a problem because it's (as i said) NOT about Fuentes, I just randomly picked his tweet out of a hundreds that had a picture of the ladder in it. I fully understand that your post is not about the white supremacist, Nick Fuentes, I assumed that you used a Nick Fuentes post because you did not know about his background. Using a Fuentes post is akin to using posts by Nick Griffin or Tommy Robinson talking about the failings of multiculturism.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 15, 2024 17:56:39 GMT
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