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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 14:00:32 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 14, 2024 14:05:43 GMT
Indeed, if it is negligence, then it's on an utterly staggering scale, bordering on the incredible. Thinking back to previous assassination attempts, very often, the target would be moving, so it would almost be impossible to ascertain where a strike might come from exactly. Kennedy in the car, Bobby in the kitchen, Reagan getting into the car etc. But the security services knew exactly where Trump was going to be standing and knew exactly for how long he was going to be standing there. So why then, weren't all the surrounding roofs covered, even at least with drones monitoring them? It seems absolutely unbelievable that such an easy site to secure, could in actual fact end up being so poorly secured. Ignore the calls of an 'inside job' in the tweets but listen to the account of the guy in the red cap. If he's telling the truth and I can see no reason why he wouldn't be, then his statement is utterly mind-boggling. the video witness statements in the immediate aftermath, when its fresh and running on adrenaline, have opened up a whole can of worms for trump supporting conspiracy theorists. If its true, its just unbelievable that the shooter wasn't dealt with beforehand. The whole thing has made trump almost invincible now. Indeed, that's my point, if you can see past the conspiracy allegations, then the failure of the security services is absolutely monumental. If the crowd can actually video the shooter before he even starts shooting, then why haven't the security services got eyes on him? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 14, 2024 14:07:41 GMT
To think. If he hadn't stood for Clacton he could have been standing just behind Trump's ear* Sliding Doors. *Though in truth he'd more likely be safely tucked up his lower colon. So are you implying that Farage could have got killed Seymour? Why? One poor innocent person did, with two critical |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 14, 2024 14:11:54 GMT
To think. If he hadn't stood for Clacton he could have been standing just behind Trump's ear* Sliding Doors. *Though in truth he'd more likely be safely tucked up his lower colon. So are you implying that Farage could have got killed Seymour? Why? One poor innocent person did, with two critical If he'd been stood next to him yes he could have been killed - just as you or I could if we'd been stood next to him. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 14, 2024 14:16:23 GMT
So are you implying that Farage could have got killed Seymour? Why? One poor innocent person did, with two critical If he'd been stood next to him yes he could have been killed - just as you or I could if we'd been stood next to him. Indeed, or in the same way that the people in the crowd were hit. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 14, 2024 14:18:54 GMT
Horrible, terrible event yesterday. Unacceptable.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 14, 2024 14:22:11 GMT
So are you implying that Farage could have got killed Seymour? Why? One poor innocent person did, with two critical If he'd been stood next to him yes he could have been killed - just as you or I could if we'd been stood next to him. Why mention it? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 14, 2024 14:25:11 GMT
If he'd been stood next to him yes he could have been killed - just as you or I could if we'd been stood next to him. Why mention it? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 14, 2024 14:25:59 GMT
I don't think the post is as clever as you think it is. People aren't stupid |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 14, 2024 14:29:14 GMT
If he'd been stood next to him yes he could have been killed - just as you or I could if we'd been stood next to him. Why mention it? Didn't the original post tell you that? Had he not stood for Clacton he would have been on the campaign trail with Trump and could plausibly have been stood next to him (unlike you or I who would not be in that position). Which is why I referenced 'Sliding Doors' (popular 90's film starring Gwyneth Paltrow). So I would have thought it was bleeding obvious why I mentioned it. Why are you making an issue of it? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 14, 2024 14:30:54 GMT
Didn't the original post tell you that? Had he not stood for Clacton he would have been on the campaign trail with Trump and could plausibly have been stood next to him (unlike you or I who would not be in that position). Which is why I referenced 'Sliding Doors' (popular 90's film starring Gwyneth Paltrow). So I would have thought it was bleeding obvious why I mentioned it. Why are you making an issue of it? And you've included an insult. A bit petty really. As Paul says it could have been anyone. Why mention Farage. I'll leave it with you. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 14, 2024 14:31:37 GMT
I don't think the post is as clever as you think it is. People aren't stupid What on earth are you on about John? Farage said he would have been with Trump if he hadn't won in Clacton. And I've simply provided you the link to him saying it, in answer to your question. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 14, 2024 14:42:40 GMT
I don't think the post is as clever as you think it is. People aren't stupid What on earth are you on about John? Farage said he would have been with Trump if he hadn't won in Clacton. And I've simply provided you the link to him saying it, in answer to your question. I'll leave it with you then Paul |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 14, 2024 14:44:12 GMT
Didn't the original post tell you that? Had he not stood for Clacton he would have been on the campaign trail with Trump and could plausibly have been stood next to him (unlike you or I who would not be in that position). Which is why I referenced 'Sliding Doors' (popular 90's film starring Gwyneth Paltrow). So I would have thought it was bleeding obvious why I mentioned it. Why are you making an issue of it? And you've included an insult. A bit petty really. As Paul says it could have been anyone. Why mention Farage. I'll leave it with you. Because it followed on from a post about Farage and as is often the case with social media posts become sequential. So we have the plausability (Farage was set to go on the campaign trail with Trump, so statistically the possibility of it being him would be far higher than 'just anyone') we have sequenciality providing the prompt (social media) and we have the popular cultural reference to a 'Sliding Doors' moment (where a split decision could make your life go one way or another). Like I said I would have thought it was bleeding obvious. But to you it's obviously something different - .......which I'll leave with you. As for the insult - well that's for Bercow |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 14, 2024 14:49:34 GMT
What on earth are you on about John? Farage said he would have been with Trump if he hadn't won in Clacton. And I've simply provided you the link to him saying it, in answer to your question. I'll leave it with you then Paul No, it'd be polite of you to explain what you meant. You asked SB why he had mentioned Farage and I knew that you didn't have a TV, so probably wouldn't have seen him doing the news rounds today, where he has been saying that if he hadn't won in Clacton he would have been with Trump yesterday. So I provided you a link to him saying as much in reply to your specific question and I left no comment. In what way did my post to you warrant the snotty reply that you replied with? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 14, 2024 14:57:30 GMT
I'll leave it with you then Paul No, it'd be polite of you to explain what you meant. You asked SB why he had mentioned Farage and I knew that you didn't have a TV, so probably wouldn't have seen him doing the news rounds today, where he has been saying that if he hadn't won in Clacton he would have been with Trump yesterday. So I provided you a link to him saying as much in reply to your specific question and I left no comment. In what way did my post to you warrant the snotty reply that you replied with? My reply wasn't snotty. Apologies if you think it was. I saw the link earlier in the thread. Theses things have a tendency to go on and on and on etc, getting nowhere, so I'm not prepared for thst so you'll have to accept my answer. Posters can make up there own minds on the posts. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 14, 2024 15:08:56 GMT
No, it'd be polite of you to explain what you meant. You asked SB why he had mentioned Farage and I knew that you didn't have a TV, so probably wouldn't have seen him doing the news rounds today, where he has been saying that if he hadn't won in Clacton he would have been with Trump yesterday. So I provided you a link to him saying as much in reply to your specific question and I left no comment. In what way did my post to you warrant the snotty reply that you replied with? My reply wasn't snotty. Apologies if you think it was. I saw the link earlier in the thread. Theses things have a tendency to go on and on and on etc, getting nowhere, so I'm not prepared for thst so you'll have to accept my answer. Posters can make up there own minds on the posts. Please explain what you meant then? What post did I suggest was 'clever'? And how did I suggest that people were 'stupid'? These things wouldn't go 'on and on', if you had the common decency to explain what you meant. |
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Post by desman2 on Jul 14, 2024 15:13:36 GMT
If you want to see which side of the divide are the sickest fuckers go and look at some of the tik tok video's and see how younger people behave on there. Someone lost their life here yet they get forgotten.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 16:31:40 GMT
The idea of it being an inside job seems highly unlikely to me. You’d have to have a lot of faith in the sniper’s accuracy to allow him a free shot at your ear.
To me, incompetence seems a hell of a lot more likely.
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Post by steve66 on Jul 14, 2024 16:41:05 GMT
Having just seen the footage I can’t get my head round as to why straight away many members of the crowd have their phones out taking videos or pictures when not at all safe from the shooter at that point I’d of been legging it or hitting the ground for self preservation!
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Post by superjw on Jul 14, 2024 16:45:25 GMT
The idea of it being an inside job seems highly unlikely to me. You’d have to have a lot of faith in the sniper’s accuracy to allow him a free shot at your ear. To me, incompetence seems a hell of a lot more likely. I think an inside job meaning the shooter would have actually hit trump before being blown away, you know, to make it look real… I’ve seen a video where trump seems to turn his head at the last second, seems to have saved him. The shooter missed rather than intentionally hit his ear, that would be some marksmanship to do that |
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Post by superjw on Jul 14, 2024 16:46:40 GMT
Having just seen the footage I can’t get my head round as to why straight away many members of the crowd have their phones out taking videos or pictures when not at all safe from the shooter at that point I’d of been legging it or hitting the ground for self preservation! Americans are really desensitised to gun violence, so that must have a part to play. But I’d agree if it were me I’d have legged it |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 16:56:29 GMT
The idea of it being an inside job seems highly unlikely to me. You’d have to have a lot of faith in the sniper’s accuracy to allow him a free shot at your ear. To me, incompetence seems a hell of a lot more likely. I think an inside job meaning the shooter would have actually hit trump before being blown away, you know, to make it look real… I’ve seen a video where trump seems to turn his head at the last second, seems to have saved him. The shooter missed rather than intentionally hit his ear, that would be some marksmanship to do that But the implication is that Trump would willingly allow someone to shoot him? The man who avoided war because of “bone spurs”? I just don’t buy it. I have the lowest opinion of Trump as an individual and a President, but I cannot see him (needing to) stoop to that. Nor could I see him being able to keep calm at all in the lead up to it. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jul 14, 2024 17:00:09 GMT
Having just seen the footage I can’t get my head round as to why straight away many members of the crowd have their phones out taking videos or pictures when not at all safe from the shooter at that point I’d of been legging it or hitting the ground for self preservation! Americans are really desensitised to gun violence, so that must have a part to play. But I’d agree if it were me I’d have legged it It’s a societal thing to video everything so they can get likes or whatever on their social media account. You only have to look on youtube to see it’s the same with footy. I don’t get why you’d do it if you get a better version on MOTD or on Sky. I can’t see how people can get into the game when they’re trying to take a photo or video something. In relation to guns some people seem to value life way too lowly. You only live once so sod hanging around when someone’s waving a gun about. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 17:07:28 GMT
*Though in truth he'd more likely be safely tucked up his lower colon. That puts him packing around a minimum of a 7.5 inch dong. Good for Mrs Farage 😂. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 14, 2024 17:14:38 GMT
*Though in truth he'd more likely be safely tucked up his lower colon. That puts him packing around a minimum of a 7.5 inch dong. Good for Mrs Farage 😂. The reference was alluding to sycophancy - therefore suggesting total occupancy rather than mere coitus. Unless your image was one of contortion - in which case keep practicing the yoga.🧘♂️🧘♂️ |
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Post by superjw on Jul 14, 2024 17:19:00 GMT
I think an inside job meaning the shooter would have actually hit trump before being blown away, you know, to make it look real… I’ve seen a video where trump seems to turn his head at the last second, seems to have saved him. The shooter missed rather than intentionally hit his ear, that would be some marksmanship to do that But the implication is that Trump would willingly allow someone to shoot him? The man who avoided war because of “bone spurs”? I just don’t buy it. I have the lowest opinion of Trump as an individual and a President, but I cannot see him (needing to) stoop to that. Nor could I see him being able to keep calm at all in the lead up to it. Oh I agree, no way would he be willingly doing that. I’d say any “inside job” stuff would be more geared at getting rid of trump, so your kind of deep state style conspiracy stuff |
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Post by Gawa on Jul 14, 2024 17:21:24 GMT
But the implication is that Trump would willingly allow someone to shoot him? The man who avoided war because of “bone spurs”? I just don’t buy it. I have the lowest opinion of Trump as an individual and a President, but I cannot see him (needing to) stoop to that. Nor could I see him being able to keep calm at all in the lead up to it. Oh I agree, no way would he be willingly doing that. I’d say any “inside job” stuff would be more geared at getting rid of trump, so your kind of deep state style conspiracy stuff You don't get some random kid with little to no gun handling experience to carry out a hit if its some "deep state conspiracy" and they certainly don't miss multiple shots on a relatively stationary target from the high ground. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 17:29:53 GMT
That puts him packing around a minimum of a 7.5 inch dong. Good for Mrs Farage 😂. The reference was alluding to sycophancy - therefore suggesting total occupancy rather than mere coitus. Unless your image was one of contortion - in which case keep practicing the yoga.🧘♂️🧘♂️ I was more alluding to the fact that you have about 7.5 inches of rectum and anus before you get anywhere near the colon. A lot of contortion would definitely be required regardless of what they’d be doing, yes 😂 |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 14, 2024 17:35:43 GMT
The reference was alluding to sycophancy - therefore suggesting total occupancy rather than mere coitus. Unless your image was one of contortion - in which case keep practicing the yoga.🧘♂️🧘♂️ I was more alluding to the fact that you have about 7.5 inches of rectum and anus before you get anywhere near the colon. A lot of contortion would definitely be required regardless of what they’d be doing, yes 😂 My inability you shake off that image has every chance of affecting my concentration on tonight's match - not to mention spoiling my dinner🤢 |
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