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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 15:20:41 GMT
We're walking away..the decision has been made. There can be NO soft brexit. We're fucked. I mean this in the nicest possible way but stop being such a melodramatic tart. As i've said before all the eu \ government will do is negotiate the terms and rules, companies will make them work, companies like making money and will continue to do so, stop listening to professional politicians and mardarse journalists who've known no different and have no more idea of what will actually happen than they do of tomorrow's lottery numbers. And I mean this in the nicest possible way. Brexit will make no difference to the super rich. It could be an absolute nightmare for the low paid the poor and disadvantaged. Until you and yours convince me otherwise, that's the stance I will take.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 15:23:43 GMT
And here begins the hate....
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Post by salopstick on Nov 3, 2016 15:29:16 GMT
And here begins the hate.... She is an investment fund manager and part time philanthropist. Fair does she does have a little charity but "The National Council of Voluntary Organisations reported that the Charity Commission called a 2015 report by the True and Fair Foundation on charity finances “flawed”, the charity Sue Ryder called it “misleading”, while Which? described it as “very misleading”. Yep the EU is in her vested interest. She represents the people you usually claim to hate. So yes let the hate begin
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 3, 2016 15:31:43 GMT
I mean this in the nicest possible way but stop being such a melodramatic tart. As i've said before all the eu \ government will do is negotiate the terms and rules, companies will make them work, companies like making money and will continue to do so, stop listening to professional politicians and mardarse journalists who've known no different and have no more idea of what will actually happen than they do of tomorrow's lottery numbers. And I mean this in the nicest possible way. Brexit will make no difference to the super rich. It could be an absolute nightmare for the low paid the poor and disadvantaged. Until you and yours convince me otherwise, that's the stance I will take. Nothing makes any difference to the super rich so that's not really a valid starting point, although the pension regulator sending you a big fuck off invoice might come close. As for you and yours I kept pretty much out of the EU debate on here as I really wasn't fussed either way, now it's decided let's get on with it and make the best of it. The Poor and disadvantaged voted for brexit in massive numbers, it's pretty insulting to suggest they didn't know what they were voting for and didn't research it at all.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 15:36:13 GMT
And here begins the hate.... She is an investment fund manager and part time philanthropist. Fair does she does have a little charity but "The National Council of Voluntary Organisations reported that the Charity Commission called a 2015 report by the True and Fair Foundation on charity finances “flawed”, the charity Sue Ryder called it “misleading”, while Which? described it as “very misleading”. Yep the EU is in her vested interest. She represents the people you usually claim to hate. So yes let the hate begin A decision has been made, so why is it "let the hate begin" and not "shut the fuck up and get on with it"?
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Post by salopstick on Nov 3, 2016 15:40:57 GMT
She is an investment fund manager and part time philanthropist. Fair does she does have a little charity but "The National Council of Voluntary Organisations reported that the Charity Commission called a 2015 report by the True and Fair Foundation on charity finances “flawed”, the charity Sue Ryder called it “misleading”, while Which? described it as “very misleading”. Yep the EU is in her vested interest. She represents the people you usually claim to hate. So yes let the hate begin A decision has been made, so why is it "let the hate begin" and not "shut the fuck up and get on with it"? I have not called for hate. But a milllionaire investment hedge fund manager taking the govt to court over Brexit is not really a win for the working man
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 15:41:44 GMT
I mean this in the nicest possible way but stop being such a melodramatic tart. As i've said before all the eu \ government will do is negotiate the terms and rules, companies will make them work, companies like making money and will continue to do so, stop listening to professional politicians and mardarse journalists who've known no different and have no more idea of what will actually happen than they do of tomorrow's lottery numbers. And I mean this in the nicest possible way. Brexit will make no difference to the super rich. It could be an absolute nightmare for the low paid the poor and disadvantaged. Until you and yours convince me otherwise, that's the stance I will take. Ask the low paid, poor and disadvantaged of Greece, Portugal and all the other countries the EU has done over. 50% youth employment in some countries. Ask African farmers what they think of the EU's agricultural policy which has decimated them. And theres that word again - COULD
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 15:50:28 GMT
A decision has been made, so why is it "let the hate begin" and not "shut the fuck up and get on with it"? I have not called for hate. But a milllionaire investment hedge fund manager taking the govt to court over Brexit is not really a win for the working man I quoted you, so what part of that quote "Let the hate begin" did you not say/type? This is a victory for the law of the land. Every civilised country should enforce the law to every individual within that country - that includes the Prime Minister. This a major fuck up by Cameron and the Conservative Party mainly, who either a) should've made this referendum legally binding, or b) should've informed the public that the referendum result would go to a vote in parliament. I have no idea what the motives of the group who brought this case were, but they appear to have been far smarter and far more organised than the Prime Minister and the government, which is worrying.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 3, 2016 15:52:11 GMT
A decision has been made, so why is it "let the hate begin" and not "shut the fuck up and get on with it"? I have not called for hate. But a milllionaire investment hedge fund manager taking the govt to court over Brexit is not really a win for the working man Quite right. Never been a fan of Farage
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Post by salopstick on Nov 3, 2016 15:54:43 GMT
I have not called for hate. But a milllionaire investment hedge fund manager taking the govt to court over Brexit is not really a win for the working man I quoted you, so what part of that quote "Let the hate begin" did you not say/type? This is a victory for the law of the land. Every civilised country should enforce the law to every individual within that country - that includes the Prime Minister. This a major fuck up by Cameron and the Conservative Party mainly, who either a) should've made this referendum legally binding, or b) should've informed the public that the referendum result would go to a vote in parliament. I have no idea what the motives of the group who brought this case were, but they appear to have been far smarter and far more organised than the Prime Minister and the government, which is worrying. Sarcasm. Read the post I was quoting
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Post by themistocles on Nov 3, 2016 16:07:05 GMT
And here begins the hate.... Let the the begin... Hate is all what politics is these days. Just look at the vile abuse MPs get if they dare go against saint corbyn ... Leta not just pretend it's just one side... that'll be very naive wouldn't it Mr naive
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Post by Northy on Nov 3, 2016 16:11:16 GMT
And here begins the hate.... Let the the begin... Hate is all what politics is these days. Just look at the vile abuse MPs get if they dare go against saint corbyn ... Leta not just pretend it's just one side... that'll be very naive wouldn't it Mr naive disgusting comments
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Post by Northy on Nov 3, 2016 16:12:38 GMT
any mp voting against the coutries wishes should be tried for treason then hung drawn and quartered Are you listening Tristam? amazing how he was against Gordon signing the Lisbon treaty without a referendum, then gave us a referendum
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 16:15:05 GMT
But there is a strong chance they will also lose the appeal at the Supreme Court, one barrister says.
Schona Jolly QC told the Guardian today:
The high court’s key reasoning is that the government “cannot without the intervention of parliament confer rights on individuals or deprive individuals of rights”. There is no answer to this. The removal of the ability to seek authoritative rulings of the European court, for example, is but one material change in our law, and it may have a profound impact on fundamental and social rights. So, too, other major rights merely “glossed over” by the government’s arguments. I don’t see a comeback to the various fatal gaps in the government’s reasoning, which the court found to be flawed. The most fundamental rule of UK constitutional law is that parliament is sovereign, and that legislation enacted by both Houses of Parliament is supreme. If “Brexit means Brexit”, the court has confirmed that only parliament can trigger it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 16:18:27 GMT
And here begins the hate.... She is an investment fund manager and part time philanthropist. Fair does she does have a little charity but "The National Council of Voluntary Organisations reported that the Charity Commission called a 2015 report by the True and Fair Foundation on charity finances “flawed”, the charity Sue Ryder called it “misleading”, while Which? described it as “very misleading”. Yep the EU is in her vested interest. She represents the people you usually claim to hate. So yes let the hate begin Good grief...what a vile little man you've turned into.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 16:19:16 GMT
And here begins the hate.... Let the the begin... Hate is all what politics is these days. Just look at the vile abuse MPs get if they dare go against saint corbyn ... Leta not just pretend it's just one side... that'll be very naive wouldn't it Mr naive Unbelievable.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 3, 2016 16:20:06 GMT
She is an investment fund manager and part time philanthropist. Fair does she does have a little charity but "The National Council of Voluntary Organisations reported that the Charity Commission called a 2015 report by the True and Fair Foundation on charity finances “flawed”, the charity Sue Ryder called it “misleading”, while Which? described it as “very misleading”. Yep the EU is in her vested interest. She represents the people you usually claim to hate. So yes let the hate begin Good grief...what a vile little man you've turned into. It wasn't too long go you were celebrating riots against people like this
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 16:20:50 GMT
I quoted you, so what part of that quote "Let the hate begin" did you not say/type? This is a victory for the law of the land. Every civilised country should enforce the law to every individual within that country - that includes the Prime Minister. This a major fuck up by Cameron and the Conservative Party mainly, who either a) should've made this referendum legally binding, or b) should've informed the public that the referendum result would go to a vote in parliament. I have no idea what the motives of the group who brought this case were, but they appear to have been far smarter and far more organised than the Prime Minister and the government, which is worrying. Sarcasm. Read the post I was quoting More like showing your true colours. Always thought you had some decency, how wrong was I?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 3, 2016 16:22:30 GMT
But there is a strong chance they will also lose the appeal at the Supreme Court, one barrister says. Schona Jolly QC told the Guardian today: The high court’s key reasoning is that the government “cannot without the intervention of parliament confer rights on individuals or deprive individuals of rights”. There is no answer to this. The removal of the ability to seek authoritative rulings of the European court, for example, is but one material change in our law, and it may have a profound impact on fundamental and social rights. So, too, other major rights merely “glossed over” by the government’s arguments. I don’t see a comeback to the various fatal gaps in the government’s reasoning, which the court found to be flawed. The most fundamental rule of UK constitutional law is that parliament is sovereign, and that legislation enacted by both Houses of Parliament is supreme. If “Brexit means Brexit”, the court has confirmed that only parliament can trigger it. Which of course sets the High Courts Judgment against the Supreme Courts (if the appeal succeeds) What a Legal quagmire. And Article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet !!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 16:30:41 GMT
Good grief...what a vile little man you've turned into. It wasn't too long go you were celebrating riots against people like this Fill your boots Al...you've been rumbled mate.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 3, 2016 16:32:35 GMT
Ha Ha Ha ....... the Remoaners have all suddenly become constitutional law experts Amazing, that. Looks like they have bitched enough to get their way against the will of the majority, though. Some moral high ground dwellers on here will be happy at this turn of events. Every cloud, eh?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 3, 2016 16:33:38 GMT
It wasn't too long go you were celebrating riots against people like this Fill your boots Al...you've been rumbled mate. He's right though, Huddy. For years on this forum you've hated all the kinds of people/bankers/businesses/etc... that in recent months you suddenly agree with 'cos they think Remain is for the best.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 16:36:27 GMT
Fill your boots Al...you've been rumbled mate. He's right though, Huddy. For years on this forum you've hated all the kinds of people/bankers/businesses/etc... that in recent months you suddenly agree with 'cos they think Remain is for the best. Wrong. I supported remain for the only reason that worker's rights and the rights of those unable to defend themselves can be upheld. I have absolutely no confidence in a Tory government keeping those safeguards in place. I have posted this opinion on numerous occasions, somewhat surprised you missed it.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 3, 2016 16:43:04 GMT
Wrong. I supported remain for the only reason that worker's rights and the rights of those unable to defend themselves can be upheld. I have absolutely no confidence in a Tory government keeping those safeguards in place. I have posted this opinion on numerous occasions, somewhat surprised you missed it. What happens when we leave, all these things you're worried about stay in place, and then we have a General Election & Labour win, Corbyn becomes Prime Minister. Will you still think Brexit is a bad thing? It staggers me how many people (The vast majority of who were Remain voters) played the personalities involved, rather than what was actually up for grabs. "I don't like that Farage bloke so I'm voting against him", "The Tories will screw us so it's Remain for me" etc... etc... were the typical Remain voices. Whereas Leave voters were more "We're protecting our democracy for our children's children". (Although I realise that's a bit of a laugh given todays ruling!)
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 16:43:37 GMT
A cracking quote from a Tory, which really sums up the absolutely nonsensical situation we find ourselves in.
"The UK is leaving - a public debate is needed about where we want to arrive. Before taking off, it is always a good idea for the pilot to discuss with the passengers and crew where they might want to land."
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Post by salopstick on Nov 3, 2016 16:44:35 GMT
This banker couldn't give a fuck about rights. All she cares about is the hedge funds she manages.
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Post by Northy on Nov 3, 2016 16:50:13 GMT
I have not called for hate. But a milllionaire investment hedge fund manager taking the govt to court over Brexit is not really a win for the working man I quoted you, so what part of that quote "Let the hate begin" did you not say/type? This is a victory for the law of the land. Every civilised country should enforce the law to every individual within that country - that includes the Prime Minister. This a major fuck up by Cameron and the Conservative Party mainly, who either a) should've made this referendum legally binding, or b) should've informed the public that the referendum result would go to a vote in parliament. I have no idea what the motives of the group who brought this case were, but they appear to have been far smarter and far more organised than the Prime Minister and the government, which is worrying. the major fuck up is Blair promising a referendum on the Lisbon treaty in his election mandate and then got Brown to sign the treaty without one, Cameron campaigned for a referendum before it was signed, he was only following through on what he campaigned for as leader of the opposition.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 16:51:23 GMT
He's right though, Huddy. For years on this forum you've hated all the kinds of people/bankers/businesses/etc... that in recent months you suddenly agree with 'cos they think Remain is for the best. Wrong. I supported remain for the only reason that worker's rights and the rights of those unable to defend themselves can be upheld. I have absolutely no confidence in a Tory government keeping those safeguards in place. I have posted this opinion on numerous occasions, somewhat surprised you missed it. Do you really think an institution that is actively pursuing secretive deals with mega multinational companies (CETA, TTIP etc) gives two hoots about worker's and other vulnerable peoples rights? It's up to the Labour Party and the Trade Union movement in this country to defend the working class.......and let's face it they're not doing a very good job of that at the moment are they.
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Post by Northy on Nov 3, 2016 16:51:32 GMT
He's right though, Huddy. For years on this forum you've hated all the kinds of people/bankers/businesses/etc... that in recent months you suddenly agree with 'cos they think Remain is for the best. Wrong. I supported remain for the only reason that worker's rights and the rights of those unable to defend themselves can be upheld. I have absolutely no confidence in a Tory government keeping those safeguards in place. I have posted this opinion on numerous occasions, somewhat surprised you missed it. it has been quoted that the workers rights laws will remain in place after brexit
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 16:54:12 GMT
I quoted you, so what part of that quote "Let the hate begin" did you not say/type? This is a victory for the law of the land. Every civilised country should enforce the law to every individual within that country - that includes the Prime Minister. This a major fuck up by Cameron and the Conservative Party mainly, who either a) should've made this referendum legally binding, or b) should've informed the public that the referendum result would go to a vote in parliament. I have no idea what the motives of the group who brought this case were, but they appear to have been far smarter and far more organised than the Prime Minister and the government, which is worrying. the major fuck up is Blair promising a referendum on the Lisbon treaty in his election mandate and then got Brown to sign the treaty without one, Cameron campaigned for a referendum before it was signed, he was only following through on what he campaigned for as leader of the opposition. I'm not saying Cameron fucked up in giving people a referendum - it's how the bill was created and how the referendum was presented that fucked it.
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