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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 3, 2016 10:27:53 GMT
Ruling states that all MPs can vote on triggering Article 50.
Thereby removing the decision to trigger Article 50 out of the Govts hands.
Barristers are having a field day with Brexit.
Christmas came 6 months early.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 10:29:06 GMT
Ruling states that all MPs can vote on triggering Article 50. Thereby removing the decision to trigger Article 50 out of the Govts hands. Barristers are having a field day with Brexit. Christmas came 6 months early. Holy crap....
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 10:30:26 GMT
This could get interesting.......
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Post by Gods on Nov 3, 2016 10:46:16 GMT
I suppose most MP's would vote to trigger Article 50 despite most thinking it's a complete nonsense to respect the narrow brexit majority in the referendum.
Quite some wrangling ahead though I think...
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 3, 2016 10:52:37 GMT
Ruling states that all MPs can vote on triggering Article 50. Thereby removing the decision to trigger Article 50 out of the Govts hands. Barristers are having a field day with Brexit. Christmas came 6 months early. Or maybe Easter come 6 months early.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 10:53:20 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 10:54:31 GMT
I suppose most MP's would vote to trigger Article 50 despite most thinking it's a complete nonsense to respect the narrow brexit majority in the referendum. Quite some wrangling ahead though I think... I actually think the decision will probably get over-turned on appeal, or if it does get to a vote I agree that MPs might vote to leave. You would think anti-hard brexit MPs could get some concessions out of the government though, in return for a vote to leave.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 10:56:23 GMT
I suppose most MP's would vote to trigger Article 50 despite most thinking it's a complete nonsense to respect the narrow brexit majority in the referendum. Quite some wrangling ahead though I think... I actually think the decision will probably get over-turned on appeal, or if it does get to a vote I agree that MPs might vote to leave. You would think anti-hard brexit MPs could get some concessions out of the government though, in return for a vote to leave. It's not a vote to leave the EU, that's already been done, it's a vote to trigger Article 50 which MPs will vote for.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 3, 2016 11:00:20 GMT
I actually think the decision will probably get over-turned on appeal, or if it does get to a vote I agree that MPs might vote to leave. You would think anti-hard brexit MPs could get some concessions out of the government though, in return for a vote to leave. It's not a vote to leave the EU, that's already been done, it's a vote to trigger Article 50 which MPs will vote for. Not necessarily. No reason to believe they will Some MPs will vote for what's in their interest...not their constituents. There will be an appeal in a months time. There will be intense lobbying until then No reason that Judgment will be overturned. Depends who sits.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 11:02:10 GMT
It's not a vote to leave the EU, that's already been done, it's a vote to trigger Article 50 which MPs will vote for. Not necessarily. No reason to believe they will Some MPs will vote for what's in their interest...not their constituents. There will be an appeal in a months time. There will be intense lobbying until then No reason that Judgment will be overturned. Depends who sits. We'll see.......
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 11:07:45 GMT
I actually think the decision will probably get over-turned on appeal, or if it does get to a vote I agree that MPs might vote to leave. You would think anti-hard brexit MPs could get some concessions out of the government though, in return for a vote to leave. It's not a vote to leave the EU, that's already been done, it's a vote to trigger Article 50 which MPs will vote for. You're correct that there is a slight difference, but the end result is the same isn't it? We can't leave without triggering Article 50, so a vote to trigger Article 50 (if it reaches a vote) is, in a round-a-bout way, a vote to leave the EU. Unless I've misunderstood something in the process?
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Post by Northy on Nov 3, 2016 11:09:31 GMT
It's not a vote to leave the EU, that's already been done, it's a vote to trigger Article 50 which MPs will vote for. Not necessarily. No reason to believe they will Some MPs will vote for what's in their interest...not their constituents. There will be an appeal in a months time. There will be intense lobbying until then No reason that Judgment will be overturned. Depends who sits. any mp voting against the coutries wishes should be tried for treason then hung drawn and quartered
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Post by Gods on Nov 3, 2016 11:25:29 GMT
Not necessarily. No reason to believe they will Some MPs will vote for what's in their interest...not their constituents. There will be an appeal in a months time. There will be intense lobbying until then No reason that Judgment will be overturned. Depends who sits. any mp voting against the coutries wishes should be tried for treason then hung drawn and quartered MP's are elected to represent their constituency. The brexit vote was on a knife edge (52/48), almost half sit in constituencies which were pro-remain. I don't think it is a given they will vote against the wishes of their constituents.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 11:25:42 GMT
Not necessarily. No reason to believe they will Some MPs will vote for what's in their interest...not their constituents. There will be an appeal in a months time. There will be intense lobbying until then No reason that Judgment will be overturned. Depends who sits. any mp voting against the coutries wishes should be tried for treason then hung drawn and quartered Treason doesn't carry the death penalty anymore. That pesky law getting in your way for the second time today eh But on the subject of treason, I have come to the conclusion recently that there could be a strong case for Boris Johnson having committed treason. He was clearly not supportive of leaving the EU, he said as much both before and after the referendum. Yet, for his own personal gain and to increase his chances of getting the PMs job, he decided to support something that he believed would harm the country. That can't be far off treason can it?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 3, 2016 11:27:27 GMT
An investment banker who's victory speech was just long enough to name check the two law firms that she used.
Another claimant saying they voted for Brexit so it's not about leaving the EU it's about judicial process. Lies on the courtroom steps.
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Post by Northy on Nov 3, 2016 11:27:32 GMT
any mp voting against the coutries wishes should be tried for treason then hung drawn and quartered MP's are elected to represent their constituency. The brexit vote was on a knife edge (52/48), almost half sit in constituencies which were pro-remain. I don't think it is a given they will vote against the wishes of their constituents. virtually the whole of England apart from London voted to leave didnt it?
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Post by Northy on Nov 3, 2016 11:30:26 GMT
any mp voting against the coutries wishes should be tried for treason then hung drawn and quartered Treason doesn't carry the death penalty anymore. That pesky law getting in your way for the second time today eh But on the subject of treason, I have come to the conclusion recently that there could be a strong case for Boris Johnson having committed treason. He was clearly not supportive of leaving the EU, he said as much both before and after the referendum. Yet, for his own personal gain and to increase his chances of getting the PMs job, he decided to support something that he believed would harm the country. That can't be far off treason can it? yep i know it doesnt, just wishful thinking we all knew boris was baffoon before all this
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 3, 2016 11:30:30 GMT
any mp voting against the coutries wishes should be tried for treason then hung drawn and quartered Treason doesn't carry the death penalty anymore. That pesky law getting in your way for the second time today eh But on the subject of treason, I have come to the conclusion recently that there could be a strong case for Boris Johnson having committed treason. He was clearly not supportive of leaving the EU, he said as much both before and after the referendum. Yet, for his own personal gain and to increase his chances of getting the PMs job, he decided to support something that he believed would harm the country. That can't be far off treason can it? Absolute cobblers.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 11:30:37 GMT
An investment banker who's victory speech was just long enough to name check the two law firms that she used. Another claimant saying they voted for Brexit so it's not about leaving the EU it's about judicial process. Lies on the courtroom steps.As opposed to lies on the side of a bus?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 11:35:13 GMT
Thanks for the link. Having read the conclusion, the basis of the decisions appears to be: - Triggering Article 50 will automatically change some laws in the UK
- Only parliament can vote on changing laws in the UK
- Therefore parliament must vote on triggering Article 50
The conclusion seems fairly definite that there is nothing in the 1972 Act that supports the government's position, but I guess we'll have to wait for the appeal to see if that is normal legalese or whether there is no substance behind May's claims.
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Post by scfcwebby on Nov 3, 2016 11:36:33 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 3, 2016 11:40:30 GMT
An investment banker who's victory speech was just long enough to name check the two law firms that she used. Another claimant saying they voted for Brexit so it's not about leaving the EU it's about judicial process. Lies on the courtroom steps.As opposed to lies on the side of a bus? Only if you're daft enough to think that campaigning slogans and manifesto promises are legally binding.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 11:43:58 GMT
As opposed to lies on the side of a bus? Only if you're daft enough to think that campaigning slogans and manifesto promises are legally binding. Where did anyone say that the referendum was legally binding?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 11:45:08 GMT
As opposed to lies on the side of a bus? Only if you're daft enough to think that campaigning slogans and manifesto promises are legally binding. Funnily enough a referendum isn't legally binding either.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 3, 2016 11:49:17 GMT
Ha Ha Ha ....... the Remoaners have all suddenly become constitutional law experts
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 3, 2016 11:50:39 GMT
Nice to see Her Maj on the side of the claimants! Well done, ma'am!
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 3, 2016 11:51:20 GMT
any mp voting against the coutries wishes should be tried for treason then hung drawn and quartered Treason doesn't carry the death penalty anymore. That pesky law getting in your way for the second time today eh But on the subject of treason, I have come to the conclusion recently that there could be a strong case for Boris Johnson having committed treason. He was clearly not supportive of leaving the EU, he said as much both before and after the referendum. Yet, for his own personal gain and to increase his chances of getting the PMs job, he decided to support something that he believed would harm the country. That can't be far off treason can it? Fair enough so how do you view the actions of Corbyn ?, a lifelong anti EU campaigner who supported remain even though he believed it would harm the country
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 11:53:16 GMT
Ha Ha Ha ....... the Remoaners have all suddenly become constitutional law experts Can I assume from your answer that no-one said the referendum was legally binding?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 3, 2016 11:54:50 GMT
Only if you're daft enough to think that campaigning slogans and manifesto promises are legally binding. Funnily enough a referendum isn't legally binding either. A referendum can be legally binding but only if this provision of being binding is included in the Act of parliament instituting the referendum. Cameron didn't make the Referendum legally binding! It is advisory!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 3, 2016 11:56:14 GMT
Ha Ha Ha ....... the Remoaners have all suddenly become constitutional law experts Can I assume from your answer that no-one said the referendum was legally binding? You can assume whatever you like pal. I never said the referendum was legally binding you muppet.
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