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Post by salopstick on Nov 3, 2016 14:02:43 GMT
You cannot negotiate terms of exit until you trigger the exit. The vote therefore becomes meaningless and an attempt at remain via a loophole
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 3, 2016 14:08:56 GMT
How can it be down to bought and paid for politicians to decide, when 52% of voters voted out of the eu? I hope those 52% of voters show labour conservative and liberal parties what they think at the next elections So you're happy for May, Fox, Johnson and Davis to deliver a brexit without any consultation or scrutiny whatsoever? Yes. That was easy wasn't it :-)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 14:20:51 GMT
So you're happy for May, Fox, Johnson and Davis to deliver a brexit without any consultation or scrutiny whatsoever? Yes. That was easy wasn't it :-) Wow.....astonishing.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 3, 2016 14:25:28 GMT
Yeah its a new concept called Winning and Leading Huddy so probanly not something you're used to :-)
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 3, 2016 14:33:13 GMT
You cannot negotiate terms of exit until you trigger the exit. The vote therefore becomes meaningless and an attempt at remain via a loophole Spot on and to accept that as a position would be a greenlight to the EU to offer the worst deal knowing parliament would vote No meaning the EU gets what it wants nothing to change.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 14:39:24 GMT
How can it be down to bought and paid for politicians to decide, when 52% of voters voted out of the eu? I hope those 52% of voters show labour conservative and liberal parties what they think at the next elections So you're happy for May, Fox, Johnson and Davis to deliver a brexit without any consultation or scrutiny whatsoever? Yes. It wouldn't be so bad if the people that want to scrutinise and consult are remembering that the majority voted to leave the European Union in a referendum. Alas, there are so many of these politicians that now have the power to sabotage this.....and obviously will. Especially the ones with vested interests in the eu, and those that haven't, will no doubt be promised the world to cripple any attempts to follow through with the will of the people of the U.K. and their democratic decision. Who is the judge that has agreed to this? What is his background? Does he like back scratching as much as Westminster politicians do? How on earth is this decision more lawfully democratic than a referendum result
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Nov 3, 2016 14:44:54 GMT
Yeah its a new concept called Winning and Leading Huddy so probanly not something you're used to :-) Nor is our Prime Minister.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 14:46:30 GMT
So you're happy for May, Fox, Johnson and Davis to deliver a brexit without any consultation or scrutiny whatsoever? Yes. It wouldn't be so bad if the people that want to scrutinise and consult are remembering that the majority voted to leave the European Union in a referendum. Alas, there are so many of these politicians that now have the power to sabotage this.....and obviously will. Especially the ones with vested interests in the eu, and those that haven't, will no doubt be promised the world to cripple any attempts to follow through with the will of the people of the U.K. and their democratic decision. Who is the judge that has agreed to this? What is his background? Does he like back scratching as much as Westminster politicians do? How on earth is this decision more lawfully democratic than a referendum result It doesn't have to be "more lawfully democratic", it simply has to be lawful. This verdict suggests that what was offered to the UK electorate - "have your say and we will enact it with no questions asked" - was not legally sound. David Cameron is somehow looking even more of an incompetent fool today than he was previously. But no worries for him, he's writing his new book that will no doubt pocket him millions.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 3, 2016 14:46:33 GMT
Yeah its a new concept called Winning and Leading Huddy so probanly not something you're used to :-)
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 3, 2016 14:48:59 GMT
As I understand it the ruling today was that triggering Art 50 would be by a yes/no vote being held in Parliament not a vote about being involved in the negotiations afterwards.
If that's voted down then there's no trigger, so no exit.
Although the guy who actually wrote Article 50 thought it doesn't have to be formally triggered.
He said that if you stop paying your contributions and don't turn up to the meetings then your friends will eventually realise that you've left :-)
He's presently advising Sturgeon.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 3, 2016 14:50:40 GMT
Yeah its a new concept called Winning and Leading Huddy so probanly not something you're used to :-) Nor is our Prime Minister. The party she leads is though
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 14:51:33 GMT
So you're happy for May, Fox, Johnson and Davis to deliver a brexit without any consultation or scrutiny whatsoever? Yes. It wouldn't be so bad if the people that want to scrutinise and consult are remembering that the majority voted to leave the European Union in a referendum. Alas, there are so many of these politicians that now have the power to sabotage this.....and obviously will. Especially the ones with vested interests in the eu, and those that haven't, will no doubt be promised the world to cripple any attempts to follow through with the will of the people of the U.K. and their democratic decision. Who is the judge that has agreed to this? What is his background? Does he like back scratching as much as Westminster politicians do? How on earth is this decision more lawfully democratic than a referendum result This is the main judge: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-article-50-theresa-may-high-court-lord-chief-justice-john-thomas-a7395026.html
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 14:52:34 GMT
Yeah its a new concept called Winning and Leading Huddy so probanly not something you're used to :-) Pretty piss poor response to be honest. May is capable of neither.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 14:53:50 GMT
So you're happy for May, Fox, Johnson and Davis to deliver a brexit without any consultation or scrutiny whatsoever? Yes. It wouldn't be so bad if the people that want to scrutinise and consult are remembering that the majority voted to leave the European Union in a referendum. Alas, there are so many of these politicians that now have the power to sabotage this.....and obviously will. Especially the ones with vested interests in the eu, and those that haven't, will no doubt be promised the world to cripple any attempts to follow through with the will of the people of the U.K. and their democratic decision. Who is the judge that has agreed to this? What is his background? Does he like back scratching as much as Westminster politicians do? How on earth is this decision more lawfully democratic than a referendum result Because it's a constitutional matter.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 14:56:04 GMT
You cannot negotiate terms of exit until you trigger the exit. The vote therefore becomes meaningless and an attempt at remain via a loophole Spot on and to accept that as a position would be a greenlight to the EU to offer the worst deal knowing parliament would vote No meaning the EU gets what it wants nothing to change. Or conversely getting an absolute terrible deal knowing that brexit has been triggered?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 14:56:43 GMT
Nor is our Prime Minister. The party she leads is though
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 3, 2016 14:59:36 GMT
Yeah its a new concept called Winning and Leading Huddy so probanly not something you're used to :-) Pretty piss poor response to be honest. May is capable of neither. Already leading her party, nevermind in the polls I make that 2-0 already over Jezza.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 15:00:11 GMT
Yes. It wouldn't be so bad if the people that want to scrutinise and consult are remembering that the majority voted to leave the European Union in a referendum. Alas, there are so many of these politicians that now have the power to sabotage this.....and obviously will. Especially the ones with vested interests in the eu, and those that haven't, will no doubt be promised the world to cripple any attempts to follow through with the will of the people of the U.K. and their democratic decision. Who is the judge that has agreed to this? What is his background? Does he like back scratching as much as Westminster politicians do? How on earth is this decision more lawfully democratic than a referendum result This is the main judge: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-article-50-theresa-may-high-court-lord-chief-justice-john-thomas-a7395026.htmlAccording to the Daily Mail, one of the three judges was gay. Their anger at this decision has just doubled. If the other two are a foreigner and a gypsy, the Daily Mail offices will explode.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 3, 2016 15:01:18 GMT
You cannot negotiate terms of exit until you trigger the exit. The vote therefore becomes meaningless and an attempt at remain via a loophole Spot on and to accept that as a position would be a greenlight to the EU to offer the worst deal knowing parliament would vote No meaning the EU gets what it wants nothing to change. A bit like telling the world you are having a gold sale
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 3, 2016 15:01:41 GMT
Yes. It wouldn't be so bad if the people that want to scrutinise and consult are remembering that the majority voted to leave the European Union in a referendum. Alas, there are so many of these politicians that now have the power to sabotage this.....and obviously will. Especially the ones with vested interests in the eu, and those that haven't, will no doubt be promised the world to cripple any attempts to follow through with the will of the people of the U.K. and their democratic decision. Who is the judge that has agreed to this? What is his background? Does he like back scratching as much as Westminster politicians do? How on earth is this decision more lawfully democratic than a referendum result This is the main judge: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-article-50-theresa-may-high-court-lord-chief-justice-john-thomas-a7395026.html How can you trust a man named after a knob.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 15:03:49 GMT
Pretty piss poor response to be honest. May is capable of neither. Already leading her party, nevermind in the polls I make that 2-0 already over Jezza. Leading her party.....
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 15:03:58 GMT
How can you trust a man named after a knob. Judge Trouser Snake dislikes this comment.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 3, 2016 15:05:15 GMT
Spot on and to accept that as a position would be a greenlight to the EU to offer the worst deal knowing parliament would vote No meaning the EU gets what it wants nothing to change. Or conversely getting an absolute terrible deal knowing that brexit has been triggered? WTO terms as worst fallback means the EU countries starts writing a check for £8bn a year net to the UK nevermind having to fund the £5bn a year or whatever the amount is we pay in each year. The EU has to believe the UK will just walk away otherwise negotiations will go nowhere.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 15:05:55 GMT
How can you trust a man named after a knob. Judge Trouser Snake dislikes this comment. I could quote Rog and Crappy "you lost, grow a pair and get over it" I could but I'm far too fair minded to do so....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 15:07:21 GMT
Or conversely getting an absolute terrible deal knowing that brexit has been triggered? WTO terms as worst fallback means the EU countries starts writing a check for £8bn a year net to the UK nevermind having to fund the £5bn a year or whatever the amount is we pay in each year. The EU has to believe the UK will just walk away otherwise negotiations will go nowhere. We're walking away..the decision has been made. There can be NO soft brexit. We're fucked.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 3, 2016 15:12:48 GMT
So you're happy for May, Fox, Johnson and Davis to deliver a brexit without any consultation or scrutiny whatsoever? Yes. It wouldn't be so bad if the people that want to scrutinise and consult are remembering that the majority voted to leave the European Union in a referendum. Alas, there are so many of these politicians that now have the power to sabotage this.....and obviously will. Especially the ones with vested interests in the eu, and those that haven't, will no doubt be promised the world to cripple any attempts to follow through with the will of the people of the U.K. and their democratic decision. Who is the judge that has agreed to this? What is his background? Does he like back scratching as much as Westminster politicians do? How on earth is this decision more lawfully democratic than a referendum result It's not all bad news didn't the judge decide the UK parliament has to decide, unlucky wee jimmy krankie I think the judge has just pissed on your chips.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 3, 2016 15:12:55 GMT
WTO terms as worst fallback means the EU countries starts writing a check for £8bn a year net to the UK nevermind having to fund the £5bn a year or whatever the amount is we pay in each year. The EU has to believe the UK will just walk away otherwise negotiations will go nowhere. We're walking away..the decision has been made. There can be NO soft brexit. We're fucked. If you are predicting we are fucked then I can sleep easy. We know how well your predictions on here go
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 3, 2016 15:17:24 GMT
WTO terms as worst fallback means the EU countries starts writing a check for £8bn a year net to the UK nevermind having to fund the £5bn a year or whatever the amount is we pay in each year. The EU has to believe the UK will just walk away otherwise negotiations will go nowhere. We're walking away..the decision has been made. There can be NO soft brexit. We're fucked. I mean this in the nicest possible way but stop being such a melodramatic tart. As i've said before all the eu \ government will do is negotiate the terms and rules, companies will make them work, companies like making money and will continue to do so, stop listening to professional politicians and mardarse journalists who've known no different and have no more idea of what will actually happen than they do of tomorrow's lottery numbers.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 15:18:14 GMT
We're walking away..the decision has been made. There can be NO soft brexit. We're fucked. If you are predicting we are fucked then I can sleep easy. We know how well your predictions on here go Like I ever gave a toss what you think? Get over yourself....
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 3, 2016 15:19:06 GMT
Yeah its a new concept called Winning and Leading Huddy so probanly not something you're used to :-) Pretty piss poor response to be honest. May is capable of neither. Come on mate that was actually quite a good response, even for me.
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