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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 11:57:46 GMT
Can I assume from your answer that no-one said the referendum was legally binding? You can assume whatever you like pal. I never said the referendum was legally binding you muppet. No but you laid yourself wide open with your op Rog...
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2016 12:00:25 GMT
Treason doesn't carry the death penalty anymore. That pesky law getting in your way for the second time today eh But on the subject of treason, I have come to the conclusion recently that there could be a strong case for Boris Johnson having committed treason. He was clearly not supportive of leaving the EU, he said as much both before and after the referendum. Yet, for his own personal gain and to increase his chances of getting the PMs job, he decided to support something that he believed would harm the country. That can't be far off treason can it? Fair enough so how do you view the actions of Corbyn ?, a lifelong anti EU campaigner who supported remain even though he believed it would harm the country Depends if Corbyn instantly switches back to being a rabid proponent of leaving the EU - I haven't seen anything to suggest that he is. If he does, then I'll have the same opinion of him as I do of Johnson.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 12:03:18 GMT
Fair enough so how do you view the actions of Corbyn ?, a lifelong anti EU campaigner who supported remain even though he believed it would harm the country Depends if Corbyn instantly switches back to being a rabid proponent of leaving the EU - I haven't seen anything to suggest that he is. If he does, then I'll have the same opinion of him as I do of Johnson. The press release from the Labour Party this morning was that they still support the outcome of the referendum.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 3, 2016 12:04:15 GMT
You can assume whatever you like pal. I never said the referendum was legally binding you muppet. No but you laid yourself wide open with your op Rog... No I didn't. The referendum was always advisory. Jenny Watson the Chief Counting Officer at the referendum was interviewed before the vote and asked what would happen if it was a dead heat. She said she declare a dead heat as the referendum was only advisory. This has been known from the beginning. This is not a new legal angle.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 3, 2016 12:04:33 GMT
MP's are elected to represent their constituency. The brexit vote was on a knife edge (52/48), almost half sit in constituencies which were pro-remain. I don't think it is a given they will vote against the wishes of their constituents. virtually the whole of England apart from London voted to leave didnt it?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 12:07:00 GMT
Oh the irony....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 12:08:06 GMT
No but you laid yourself wide open with your op Rog... No I didn't. The referendum was always advisory. Jenny Watson the Chief Counting Officer at the referendum was interviewed before the vote and asked what would happen if it was a dead heat. She said she declare a dead heat as the referendum was only advisory. This has been known from the beginning. This is not a new legal angle. Nice swerve there Rog...
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 3, 2016 12:10:15 GMT
No I didn't. The referendum was always advisory. Jenny Watson the Chief Counting Officer at the referendum was interviewed before the vote and asked what would happen if it was a dead heat. She said she declare a dead heat as the referendum was only advisory. This has been known from the beginning. This is not a new legal angle. Nice swerve understanding of the facts there Rog...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 12:19:43 GMT
Nice swerve understanding of the facts there Rog... No problem, you post that the PROMISES made by the brexit camp were also only ADVISORY. So in truth the British Public were lied to, correct?
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 3, 2016 12:20:03 GMT
Fair enough so how do you view the actions of Corbyn ?, a lifelong anti EU campaigner who supported remain even though he believed it would harm the country Depends if Corbyn instantly switches back to being a rabid proponent of leaving the EU - I haven't seen anything to suggest that he is. If he does, then I'll have the same opinion of him as I do of Johnson. He has been unusually quiet on the subject of Brexit since the result , man of principal my arse.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 12:23:33 GMT
Depends if Corbyn instantly switches back to being a rabid proponent of leaving the EU - I haven't seen anything to suggest that he is. If he does, then I'll have the same opinion of him as I do of Johnson. He has been unusually quiet on the subject of Brexit since the result , man of principal my arse. You really should get your head out of your arse and start reading something other than the shite proffered by Murdoch and Rothmere.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 12:25:59 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 3, 2016 12:26:09 GMT
Oh the irony.... Not really. It's the same old shit. Remoaners and Bankers. There's an appeal to this decision lodged already. If that fails then there'll be a vote but the courts have not indicated how that should be conducted. A flash vote through the chamber the day after the appeal ruling would almost certainly go in favour of Brexit. Job done. Or does there need to be an Act invoked calling for the vote which could take weeks or months of deliberate stalling before being passed. Then there is the un-elected House of Lords who don't lose their seats at the next GE who could vote everything down as no doubt there'll be plenty of non-executive merchant bank board members in there. Status Quo and all that. Not to mention the no doubt constant screeching from North of the border and the likes of Thornberry 'demanding clarity' over every set of meeting minutes. Meanwhile the majority of the taxpayers who were promised that the Government would implement their decision and came out in their droves in a 1 person 1 vote referendum are cast as the bad guys. Power to the people eh Huddy?
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Post by bringmesunshine on Nov 3, 2016 12:27:46 GMT
Depends if Corbyn instantly switches back to being a rabid proponent of leaving the EU - I haven't seen anything to suggest that he is. If he does, then I'll have the same opinion of him as I do of Johnson. He has been unusually quiet on the subject of Brexit since the result , man of principal my arse. No no no no no, he is a man of principal, just fucking shameful principals.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 12:31:08 GMT
Oh the irony.... Not really. It's the same old shit. Remoaners and Bankers. There's an appeal to this decision lodged already. If that fails then there'll be a vote but the courts have not indicated how that should be conducted. A flash vote through the chamber the day after the appeal ruling would almost certainly go in favour of Brexit. Job done. Or does there need to be an Act invoked calling for the vote which could take weeks or months of deliberate stalling before being passed. Then there is the un-elected House of Lords who don't lose their seats at the next GE who could vote everything down as no doubt there'll be plenty of non-executive merchant bank board members in there. Status Quo and all that. Not to mention the no doubt constant screeching from North of the border and the likes of Thornberry 'demanding clarity' over every set of meeting minutes. Meanwhile the majority of the taxpayers who were promised that the Government would implement their decision and came out in their droves in a 1 person 1 vote referendum are cast as the bad guys. Power to the people eh Huddy? Hoisted by his own petard more like Rog.
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Post by Northy on Nov 3, 2016 12:31:15 GMT
Im sure that fooker sits behind me whenever I go to the cinema
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 3, 2016 12:38:36 GMT
Hoisted by his own petard more like Rog. What do you think should happen now, Huddy? Do we need parliment to vote, or should the Government be allowed to play out the will of the people, like they promised they would? If you think parliment need to vote, what do you think should happen if they vote against it? If they vote for it, will you then get 'onboard' and do your utmost to make it work, or will you still be against it?
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Post by Northy on Nov 3, 2016 12:40:30 GMT
An investment banker who's victory speech was just long enough to name check the two law firms that she used. Another claimant saying they voted for Brexit so it's not about leaving the EU it's about judicial process. Lies on the courtroom steps.As opposed to lies on the side of a bus? and lies when we were promised a referendum before the Lisbon treaty .... maybe it was unconstitutional when that treaty was signed then ?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 12:41:54 GMT
Hoisted by his own petard more like Rog. What do you think should happen now, Huddy? Do we need parliment to vote, or should the Government be allowed to play out the will of the people, like they promised they would? If you think parliment need to vote, what do you think should happen if they vote against it? If they vote for it, will you then get 'onboard' and do your utmost to make it work, or will you still be against it? Parliament should be allowed to debate and vote on the terms of exit. It's that simple.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 12:51:05 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 3, 2016 12:59:57 GMT
What do you think should happen now, Huddy? Do we need parliment to vote, or should the Government be allowed to play out the will of the people, like they promised they would? If you think parliment need to vote, what do you think should happen if they vote against it? If they vote for it, will you then get 'onboard' and do your utmost to make it work, or will you still be against it? Parliament should be allowed to debate and vote on the terms of exit. It's that simple. Nonsense. It was the Conservative Party that promised a referendum on the EU, a Conservative Party that won the following GE, a Conservative Government that held the referendum and a Conservative Government that has promised to honour the majority vote. ALL other major players have been against this whole process. Why the fuck do they deserve to be a part of it ??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 13:16:54 GMT
And now, for all those that voted to Leave because of the lack of democracy in the EU, you are seeing just how much say you actually have here at home. Nil, zip, sweet fuck all.
Government, Parliament, House of Lords...it just doesn't include you, me or anyone else other than those who sit on their seats.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 3, 2016 13:18:10 GMT
Oh the irony....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 13:19:08 GMT
Parliament should be allowed to debate and vote on the terms of exit. It's that simple. Nonsense. It was the Conservative Party that promised a referendum on the EU, a Conservative Party that won the following GE, a Conservative Government that held the referendum and a Conservative Government that has promised to honour the majority vote. ALL other major players have been against this whole process. Why the fuck do they deserve to be a part of it ?? To avoid a brexit that would harm the country and provide a brexit that wouldn't.
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Post by skemstokie on Nov 3, 2016 13:32:03 GMT
Not necessarily. No reason to believe they will Some MPs will vote for what's in their interest...not their constituents. There will be an appeal in a months time. There will be intense lobbying until then No reason that Judgment will be overturned. Depends who sits. any mp voting against the coutries wishes should be tried for treason then hung drawn and quartered Only after the people who voted to leave.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Nov 3, 2016 13:33:48 GMT
I can't argue against Gina Millers logic that Brexit has to have full parliamentary scrutiny. I don't think this is for a soft Brexit, it's the thin end of the wedge to remain in the EU. My overwhelming feeling here is whatever way you look or go in life, the rich and wealthy will get their way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 13:39:28 GMT
How can it be down to bought and paid for politicians to decide, when 52% of voters voted out of the eu?
I hope those 52% of voters show labour conservative and liberal parties what they think at the next elections
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 3, 2016 13:39:58 GMT
any mp voting against the coutries wishes should be tried for treason then hung drawn and quartered Only after the people who voted to leave. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 3, 2016 13:49:14 GMT
How can it be down to bought and paid for politicians to decide, when 52% of voters voted out of the eu? I hope those 52% of voters show labour conservative and liberal parties what they think at the next elections So you're happy for May, Fox, Johnson and Davis to deliver a brexit without any consultation or scrutiny whatsoever?
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Post by salopstick on Nov 3, 2016 13:58:23 GMT
I suppose most MP's would vote to trigger Article 50 despite most thinking it's a complete nonsense to respect the narrow brexit majority in the referendum. Quite some wrangling ahead though I think... This is it The only people winning will be lawyers. Great use of taxes. The govt despite their views are committed to the will of the people. Good job
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