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Post by RAF on Mar 7, 2016 9:31:22 GMT
Every single one of us knows what it takes to be tripped over causing us to the floor on our hands and knees. Be it inadvertently whilst in a crowd. Be it your mate flicking your foot at school when you're walking in front. Be it playing any team sport ever. Because of that we all know that he dived. We all know that was not enough contact to take the man to his hands and knees. The difference in what you are saying is that benteke was running at speed, when you get your ankle clipped like that it trips you over. Not necessarily it doesn't and even if it puts you off balance it doesnt mean you fall over. How many times have we seen more 'honest' players stay on their feet and get nothing? Benteke is a big strong lad who could have ridden that slight bit of contact, but because we are now being told by the experts ' he had a right to go down then' it's vindicated! Absolute bollocks,, it's cheating and Benteke cheated. The only solace I get from it is seeing Pardew internally combust. H |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 7, 2016 9:34:20 GMT
Just watched the highlights of the game and it opitomises all that is wrong with our game. Benteke is hardly touched by the defender and you can clearly see him deliberately not try and tackle Benteke. However Benteke goes down under "The Shearer Law of Entitlement" and the ref falls for it. FFS Benteke was had no chance of scoring because he took the ball so wide so why would the defender even attempt a tackle. Appalling incident, appaling cheat and another shit decision that cries out for video assistance. Imagine if this was the final game of the season and Palace survival resting on a point won.
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Post by Northy on Mar 7, 2016 10:34:30 GMT
The difference in what you are saying is that benteke was running at speed, when you get your ankle clipped like that it trips you over. Not necessarily it doesn't and even if it puts you off balance it doesnt mean you fall over. How many times have we seen more 'honest' players stay on their feet and get nothing? Benteke is a big strong lad who could have ridden that slight bit of contact, but because we are now being told by the experts ' he had a right to go down then' it's vindicated! Absolute bollocks,, it's cheating and Benteke cheated. The only solace I get from it is seeing Pardew internally combust. H It does the majority of times, remember instances like Mary decker/Zola Budd, I've been clipped a few times when running and always gone over, your momentum is forward and the legsare already moving, there isn't a lot you can do about it. |
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Post by Northy on Mar 7, 2016 10:40:06 GMT
Whether Benteke was touched or not, does that automatically make it a foul, the defender was clearly trying to pull out of the tackle, it's Bentekes outstretched foot that makes contact with the defender. At that rate any contact at all would be a foul. You surely have to look at the perceived intention. Intention or not doesn't come into it, he impeded him by tripping him, so it's a direct free kick, which in the penatly area results in a penalty, he was careless i wanted Palace to win as much as anybody on here yesterday, but people calling him a cheat isn't right. FIFA Laws of the Game 2015-16 Direct free kick A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force: kicks or attempts to kick an opponent trips or attempts to trip an opponent jumps at an opponent charges an opponent strikes or attempts to strike an opponent pushes an opponent tackles an opponent |
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Post by Northy on Mar 7, 2016 10:41:00 GMT
Just watched the highlights of the game and it opitomises all that is wrong with our game. Benteke is hardly touched by the defender and you can clearly see him deliberately not try and tackle Benteke. However Benteke goes down under "The Shearer Law of Entitlement" and the ref falls for it. FFS Benteke was had no chance of scoring because he took the ball so wide so why would the defender even attempt a tackle. Appalling incident, appaling cheat and another shit decision that cries out for video assistance. Imagine if this was the final game of the season and Palace survival resting on a point won. It was a penaly within the laws of the game though. |
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Post by RAF on Mar 7, 2016 11:04:13 GMT
Not necessarily it doesn't and even if it puts you off balance it doesnt mean you fall over. How many times have we seen more 'honest' players stay on their feet and get nothing? Benteke is a big strong lad who could have ridden that slight bit of contact, but because we are now being told by the experts ' he had a right to go down then' it's vindicated! Absolute bollocks,, it's cheating and Benteke cheated. The only solace I get from it is seeing Pardew internally combust. H It does the majority of times, remember instances like Mary decker/Zola Budd, I've been clipped a few times when running and always gone over, your momentum is forward and the legsare already moving, there isn't a lot you can do about it. If you watch rugby week in week out and see the amount of tackles that are run through even with arms around ankles then its fairly obvious at full pelt going over isnt the only option. Granted there are times when people cant help hitting the deck, but in this instance with Benteke we are talking about who quite clearly cheated and dived. If you go over every time I suggest some gym leg work :) H |
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Post by Northy on Mar 7, 2016 12:16:17 GMT
It does the majority of times, remember instances like Mary decker/Zola Budd, I've been clipped a few times when running and always gone over, your momentum is forward and the legsare already moving, there isn't a lot you can do about it. If you watch rugby week in week out and see the amount of tackles that are run through even with arms around ankles then its fairly obvious at full pelt going over isnt the only option. Granted there are times when people cant help hitting the deck, but in this instance with Benteke we are talking about who quite clearly cheated and dived. If you go over every time I suggest some gym leg work  H But with rugby you tend to see the tackle coming and can prepare by lowering your centre of gravity they tend to bend their knees, or hurdle over an arm so their legs are in the air, Benteke's foot was on the ground and the opposite foot in the air when he got knocked, his motion was going quickly forward, not every tripping over is a dive. Fancy a run together to see who needs the leg work  |
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Post by mumf on Mar 7, 2016 12:21:11 GMT
Just watched the highlights of the game and it opitomises all that is wrong with our game. Benteke is hardly touched by the defender and you can clearly see him deliberately not try and tackle Benteke. However Benteke goes down under "The Shearer Law of Entitlement" and the ref falls for it. FFS Benteke was had no chance of scoring because he took the ball so wide so why would the defender even attempt a tackle. Appalling incident, appaling cheat and another shit decision that cries out for video assistance. Imagine if this was the final game of the season and Palace survival resting on a point won. It was a penaly within the laws of the game though. Yes ....But it doesn't make for an entertaining honest game of football . They are destroying the game . The law needs changing and has done for some time ....Its pathetic cheating at every opportunity . |
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Post by go4stoke on Mar 7, 2016 12:25:44 GMT
Are we forgetting only person who could tell us if was Dive is John Hartson
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 7, 2016 12:37:08 GMT
Alan Pardew should be more concerned with how a 10 man team conjured up four clear chances in the last 15 mins against him than the penalty.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 7, 2016 12:48:35 GMT
Alan Pardew should be more concerned with how a 10 man team conjured up four clear chances in the last 15 mins against him than the penalty. He did allude to that Joe. To be honest I don't know how these managers keep the control they do. I'd be up in front of the beak every week!!! Anyway, job done by the footballing authorities. Cheating is encouraged - it all goes to keeping the game front and center in the national spotlight. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 7, 2016 12:56:17 GMT
Just watched the highlights of the game and it opitomises all that is wrong with our game. Benteke is hardly touched by the defender and you can clearly see him deliberately not try and tackle Benteke. However Benteke goes down under "The Shearer Law of Entitlement" and the ref falls for it. FFS Benteke was had no chance of scoring because he took the ball so wide so why would the defender even attempt a tackle. Appalling incident, appaling cheat and another shit decision that cries out for video assistance. Imagine if this was the final game of the season and Palace survival resting on a point won. It was a penaly within the laws of the game though. NS I've looked at the replay several times and cannot see where he even makes contact with Benteke. Certainly there is no trip IMO ...maybe a brushing of bodies but no impedance. |
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Post by Bick on Mar 7, 2016 13:00:36 GMT
Pardew is a good man manager and when things are going well he does a great job.
But he cannot arrest a slide! The second things start going wrong, he can't pick his players up and improve their performance at all!
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Post by pez75 on Mar 7, 2016 13:26:05 GMT
This is THE opportunity the FA have been waiting for. At the start of the season they promised 3 game retrospective bans for cheats. He didn't cheat though, he had his heel clipped when running at full speed, if that happens you fall over, watch any running race when it happens. Do they scream out in agony as loud as possible to get the refs attention at the same time too? There was contact, he went down like a twat. Those are the facts. The rest is just opinion, unfortunately the only one that counts is the refs. |
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Post by Northy on Mar 7, 2016 13:35:46 GMT
It was a penaly within the laws of the game though. NS I've looked at the replay several times and cannot see where he even makes contact with Benteke. Certainly there is no trip IMO ...maybe a brushing of bodies but no impedance. Have a look on here, you can see his knee going into his foot. It was a careless trip which in the laws of the game is a direct free kick, or a penalty in this case (as in my post above) which is eaxctly what the linesman was telling the ref hoofoot.com/?match=Crystal_Palace_1_-_2_Liverpool_2016_03_06 |
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Post by thebet365 on Mar 7, 2016 13:42:38 GMT
It was a penaly within the laws of the game though. NS I've looked at the replay several times and cannot see where he even makes contact with Benteke. Certainly there is no trip IMO ...maybe a brushing of bodies but no impedance. He does make contact. His sliding knee catches the back of Benteke's foot. It was still a dive for me, he was looking for the contact and went down as soon as he felt it. If he was tripped he would have gone flying forward not collapse his legs behind him and fall to the floor. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 7, 2016 13:54:11 GMT
Whether Benteke was touched or not, does that automatically make it a foul, the defender was clearly trying to pull out of the tackle, it's Bentekes outstretched foot that makes contact with the defender. At that rate any contact at all would be a foul. You surely have to look at the perceived intention. Intention or not doesn't come into it, he impeded him by tripping him, so it's a direct free kick, which in the penatly area results in a penalty, he was careless i wanted Palace to win as much as anybody on here yesterday, but people calling him a cheat isn't right. FIFA Laws of the Game 2015-16 Direct free kick A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force: kicks or attempts to kick an opponent trips or attempts to trip an opponent jumps at an opponent charges an opponent strikes or attempts to strike an opponent pushes an opponent tackles an opponent That is true about no intent being necessary for a trip however he has only tripped him if he was not able to stay on his feet, if he fell down on purpose on feeling a very small contact, then he wasn't tripped it was a dive which is tantamount to cheating. I think it is on that point that this debate hangs. Of course if you are a fully signed up member of the "entitled to go down on contact club' then I suppose you would say any contact in the box is a penalty but then I fail to see how you can square that with football being a contact sport if every and any contact is a foul. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 14:26:11 GMT
Every single one of us knows what it takes to be tripped over causing us to the floor on our hands and knees. Be it inadvertently whilst in a crowd. Be it your mate flicking your foot at school when you're walking in front. Be it playing any team sport ever. Because of that we all know that he dived. We all know that was not enough contact to take the man to his hands and knees. The difference in what you are saying is that benteke was running at speed, when you get your ankle clipped like that it trips you over. No he wasn't and no it doesn't. Evidenced by the fact that he fell over after taking another step |
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Post by Northy on Mar 7, 2016 14:49:32 GMT
The difference in what you are saying is that benteke was running at speed, when you get your ankle clipped like that it trips you over. No he wasn't and no it doesn't. Evidenced by the fact that he fell over after taking another step We assume diving is going over when there wasn't any contact, there was clearly contact whether it was an exagerated fall is the debate, if you can't see that there was contact then maybe you need to look at it again. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 7, 2016 14:52:32 GMT
The cheating c*nt played for it he had lost control of the ball not really a surprise, he saw the defender coming in a threw himself to the ground with his arms in the air and squealing like stuffed pig as soon as his boot brushed the defenders knee, Liverpool have history in this department remember the so called Spanish penalty awarded to that little shit Sterling, it seems to engrained within the club.
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Post by TinkerT on Mar 7, 2016 14:59:52 GMT
Never a pen. Absolute disgrace that it was even given. How many times at stoke do we have linesmen who bottle any decision either that or don't see it. Always the "big" clubs who go down like a sack of shit over little or no contact. Chelsea were exactly the same at the weekend and it needs stopping. Nothing will be done though as the "big club" profits from it
I mean imagine if palace went down by 1 point? I know they won't but there's millions at stake with these decisions and it needs stopping. Its becoming a joke now
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Post by starkiller on Mar 7, 2016 15:03:17 GMT
Cheating cunt and ref.
This could cost us a European place cone the end of the season.
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Post by greyman on Mar 7, 2016 15:07:33 GMT
I don't know why this debate goes on. If somebody is legged up or clattered with force, they go down in a particular way. If they go down with a slight trip, they fall over in a different way. But that's not the way Benteke went down. We need to stop this bullshit about 'entitlement'. It's cheating, pure and simple, and years ago ex pros would have called it for what it is. Instead we have them lined up on MOTD and live games perpetuating the idea of entitlement.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 15:37:37 GMT
No he wasn't and no it doesn't. Evidenced by the fact that he fell over after taking another step We assume diving is going over when there wasn't any contact, there was clearly contact whether it was an exagerated fall is the debate, if you can't see that there was contact then maybe you need to look at it again. I'm not saying there wasn't contact. I'm saying he wasn't running at speed ergo the contact did not justify the end result, which was a dive |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 16:33:05 GMT
Not necessarily it doesn't and even if it puts you off balance it doesnt mean you fall over. How many times have we seen more 'honest' players stay on their feet and get nothing? Benteke is a big strong lad who could have ridden that slight bit of contact, but because we are now being told by the experts ' he had a right to go down then' it's vindicated! Absolute bollocks,, it's cheating and Benteke cheated. The only solace I get from it is seeing Pardew internally combust. H It does the majority of times, remember instances like Mary decker/Zola Budd, I've been clipped a few times when running and always gone over, your momentum is forward and the legsare already moving, there isn't a lot you can do about it. Oh I dunno, I usually manage to stay sort of upright when it happens. Its the Police dogs that are the bugger. They'll have you over in a moment GD |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 16:40:32 GMT
fair play to Pardew  This ^ not issue with the interview honest direct answers to the stock questions asked. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 16:58:51 GMT
I've seen toddlers stay on their feet better than some of today's so called stars.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 7, 2016 17:01:57 GMT
Peno, he got clipped it took him down.
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Post by ohbottom on Mar 7, 2016 17:05:16 GMT
It does the majority of times, remember instances like Mary decker/Zola Budd, I've been clipped a few times when running and always gone over, your momentum is forward and the legsare already moving, there isn't a lot you can do about it. If you watch rugby week in week out and see the amount of tackles that are run through even with arms around ankles then its fairly obvious at full pelt going over isnt the only option. Granted there are times when people cant help hitting the deck, but in this instance with Benteke we are talking about who quite clearly cheated and dived. If you go over every time I suggest some gym leg work H If you watch rugby you'll no doubt have seen a winger at full pelt being brought down by an ankle-tap. Tap the trailing foot inwards as he's running and he trips himself up. It's incredibly satisfying to do! |
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Post by thepirehillpoet on Mar 7, 2016 17:11:53 GMT
Didn't say much when Bolasie was chucking himself all over the shop against Bego. Yip and a big yip Carragher is a biased brainless excuse for a pundit.
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