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Post by bookofsouls23 on Nov 1, 2015 1:28:32 GMT
Not complaining.
Good point today.
But every game the formation of players keeps changing.
Joselu up front one game he gets dropped.
Then diouf and then Walters.
Do you play with one up top or two.
And the big question is.
Can you play arnie ,Bojan,and shaqiri
In the starting eleven.
Why aren't we scoring more goals with these players.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 1:32:59 GMT
When everyone is fit I think the starting XI is pretty easy and very good barring one position.
Butland
Johnson Shawcross Muni Pieters
Whelan Problem Position
Shaqiri Bojan Arnie
Diouf
It keeps changing due to injuries though.
One.
Yes, they need better and quicker ball from deep though.
We're moving the ball too slowly and not creating space for them to play in.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 1, 2015 1:40:28 GMT
When everyone is fit I think the starting XI is pretty easy and very good barring one position. Butland Johnson Shawcross Muni Pieters Whelan Problem Position Shaqiri Bojan Arnie Diouf It keeps changing due to injuries though. One. Yes, they need better and quicker ball from deep though. We're moving the ball too slowly and not creating space for them to play in.
I think that's a fair assessment.
He's got a massive issue with the 'problem' position.
It's all very well him saying that he now thinks Charlie can fill that position but if that was always what he really thought, why then did he champion Van Ginkel in the first place and then after watching him there for a few games, why did he then try to panic buy Jedinak at the last minute?
Fair appraisal.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 1:44:13 GMT
When everyone is fit I think the starting XI is pretty easy and very good barring one position. Butland Johnson Shawcross Muni Pieters Whelan Problem Position Shaqiri Bojan Arnie Diouf It keeps changing due to injuries though. One. Yes, they need better and quicker ball from deep though. We're moving the ball too slowly and not creating space for them to play in.
I think that's a fair assessment.
He's got a massive issue with the 'problem' position.
It's all very well him saying that he now thinks Charlie can fill that position but if that was always what he really thought, why then did he champion Van Ginkel in the first place and then after watching him there for a few games, why did he then try to panic buy Jedinak at the last minute?
Fair appraisal.
No idea! But our transfer policy during the summer made little sense and I still don't get it really. The central midfield being the culmination of that and as you say we signed the man to play there in Van Ginkel. We then tried to replace him with an absolute stop gap measure. And then now we've got a bloke who can't really play there. It's all very curious. |
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Post by cooper67 on Nov 1, 2015 1:57:45 GMT
We could with a winger who actually goes past their man on the outside-this is one thing that slows us down.Check back inside and the defence is facing away from their goal,go on the outside with pace and all of a sudden the defenders are facing the other way which they hate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 2:06:43 GMT
We could with a winger who actually goes past their man on the outside-this is one thing that slows us down.Check back inside and the defence is facing away from their goal,go on the outside with pace and all of a sudden the defenders are facing the other way which they hate. Yup, we miss Moses massively. |
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Post by cooper67 on Nov 1, 2015 2:19:26 GMT
Perhaps we should make them swap flanks every now and then to vary the play-or buy a real flyer in January.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Nov 1, 2015 2:38:33 GMT
When everyone is fit I think the starting XI is pretty easy and very good barring one position. Butland Johnson Shawcross Muni Pieters Whelan Problem Position Shaqiri Bojan Arnie Diouf It keeps changing due to injuries though. One. Yes, they need better and quicker ball from deep though. We're moving the ball too slowly and not creating space for them to play in. I would switch Muni for Wooli, and Adam in the problem position, and I think thats our best 11 with everyone fit. Would like to see a bit more of Van Ginkel before he's completely written off alongside Whelan, but the chances of him being given more than five minutes to settle in and prove himself are slim to none. IMO, we need to get over the fact the Fonzi has gone, have a bit of patience and give somebody some time to lay claim to the position. It's a big role to fill and it wont happen overnight. Our fans (or at least a good number of folks who post on here) need to show a bit more patience than what we've seen so far this season and let Hughes figure out how best to fill the void. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 1, 2015 3:03:17 GMT
A best 11 is an outmoded concept.
Squad game with options to suit each occasion.
At least that's what I hope we're building.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 1, 2015 3:09:29 GMT
Perhaps we should make them swap flanks every now and then to vary the play-or buy a real flyer in January. Bojan, Arnie and Shaq switched wings and the #10 spot all the game. However, none was very effective because it was too slow and very predictable. Easy defend if you know Arnie's going to go right and Shaq's going to go left. |
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Post by kustokie on Nov 1, 2015 3:14:31 GMT
Perhaps we should make them swap flanks every now and then to vary the play-or buy a real flyer in January. Shaq and Affelay were supposed to be the "real flyers". Not shown much yet. Very likely Hughes has given up on one of the two main objectives: top ten finish and win one of the cups. Looks to me he's trying to figure things out in the Prem and focus on the cups. Let's hope it works and we don't do a Wigan. |
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Post by kustokie on Nov 1, 2015 3:18:35 GMT
We could with a winger who actually goes past their man on the outside-this is one thing that slows us down.Check back inside and the defence is facing away from their goal,go on the outside with pace and all of a sudden the defenders are facing the other way which they hate. Yup, we miss Moses massively. Give it a rest. We were never going to get Moses. Affelay and Shaq were supposed to be the speedsters and compete with Arnie for the two wing positions. Didn't work out too well because they've been too predictable and easy to defend. |
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Post by cooper67 on Nov 1, 2015 3:23:05 GMT
Perhaps we should make them swap flanks every now and then to vary the play-or buy a real flyer in January. Shaq and Affelay were supposed to be the "real flyers". Not shown much yet. Very likely Hughes has given up on one of the two main objectives: top ten finish and win one of the cups. Looks to me he's trying to figure things out in the Prem and focus on the cups. Let's hope it works and we don't do a Wigan. Yes but they aren't though are they.I'm probably faster than both of them! We need a winger that will push the ball past the full back and give it a go. |
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Post by StatesideStokie on Nov 1, 2015 3:28:17 GMT
Perhaps we should make them swap flanks every now and then to vary the play-or buy a real flyer in January. Shaq and Affelay were supposed to be the "real flyers". Not shown much yet. Very likely Hughes has given up on one of the two main objectives: top ten finish and win one of the cups. Looks to me he's trying to figure things out in the Prem and focus on the cups. Let's hope it works and we don't do a Wigan. Why in thw world would he have given up on a top ten finish? We're currently one point behind Southampton who are in tenth, and a couple of wins off the top six with about three quarters of the season left to play. I know we've not been at our best yet, but thats crazy talk right there. |
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Post by kustokie on Nov 1, 2015 3:29:07 GMT
Shaq and Affelay were supposed to be the "real flyers". Not shown much yet. Very likely Hughes has given up on one of the two main objectives: top ten finish and win one of the cups. Looks to me he's trying to figure things out in the Prem and focus on the cups. Let's hope it works and we don't do a Wigan. Yes but they aren't though are they.I'm probably faster than both of them! We need a winger that will push the ball past the full back and give it a go. Erm That was my point! |
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Post by kustokie on Nov 1, 2015 3:38:44 GMT
Shaq and Affelay were supposed to be the "real flyers". Not shown much yet. Very likely Hughes has given up on one of the two main objectives: top ten finish and win one of the cups. Looks to me he's trying to figure things out in the Prem and focus on the cups. Let's hope it works and we don't do a Wigan. Why in thw world would he have given up on a top ten finish? We're currently one point behind Southampton who are in tenth, and a couple of wins off the top six with about three quarters of the season left to play. I know we've not been at our best yet, but thats crazy talk right there. Actually, top 10 is a beginning to look a real stretch - have you checked the fixture list for the run up to the New Year (especially at home)? Pretty scary. Actually one of the easier games is next week against Chelsea. Sorry to be a knicker-wetter but we haven't beaten anyone decent yet this season. Our three wins have been against Bournemouth, Swansea and Villa who have a combined record of 6-6-18 and sit 13th, 17th and bottom! Not very impressive. |
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Post by StatesideStokie on Nov 1, 2015 3:42:44 GMT
A point off the top ten makes it a real stretch? I'm calling it a night.
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Post by cooper67 on Nov 1, 2015 3:43:22 GMT
Yes but they aren't though are they.I'm probably faster than both of them! We need a winger that will push the ball past the full back and give it a go. Erm That was my point! And that was my point-they aren't flyers! Why bother to say they were supposed to be the answer when they obviously aren't what I said we needed?  |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 1, 2015 4:07:59 GMT
When everyone is fit I think the starting XI is pretty easy and very good barring one position. Butland Johnson Shawcross Muni Pieters Whelan Problem Position Shaqiri Bojan Arnie Diouf It keeps changing due to injuries though. One. Yes, they need better and quicker ball from deep though. We're moving the ball too slowly and not creating space for them to play in. Think you've got that spot on. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 7:55:45 GMT
No point even considering Muni when he's always injured and can't complete 90 minutes.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 1, 2015 8:36:46 GMT
When everyone is fit I think the starting XI is pretty easy and very good barring one position. Butland Johnson Shawcross Muni Pieters Whelan Problem Position Shaqiri Bojan Arnie Diouf It keeps changing due to injuries though. One. Yes, they need better and quicker ball from deep though. We're moving the ball too slowly and not creating space for them to play in. Adam is doing fine and played pretty well again yesterday. We are missing Moses and diouf far more than we are missing n'zonzi at the moment in my opinion. How Ireland isn't the first alternative to bojan is a tad baffling as well |
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 1, 2015 8:53:13 GMT
When everyone is fit I think the starting XI is pretty easy and very good barring one position. Butland Johnson Shawcross Muni Pieters Whelan Problem Position Shaqiri Bojan Arnie Diouf It keeps changing due to injuries though. One. Yes, they need better and quicker ball from deep though. We're moving the ball too slowly and not creating space for them to play in. Adam is doing fine and played pretty well again yesterday. We are missing Moses and diouf far more than we are missing n'zonzi at the moment in my opinion. How Ireland isn't the first alternative to bojan is a tad baffling as well Moses would have been a great signing of course but he was injured for the end of last season when we had our best run of form . Arne has played well for the most part this season . |
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 1, 2015 9:02:55 GMT
Personally I think Adam's played well alongside Whelan.
The 'problem position' is alongside Ryan in central defence; we'll continue to see Wolly, Muniesa, Cameron and Wilson rotated there because none of them seem consistent enough or (in Muniesa's case) free of injury long enough to truly nail a place down. And when Shawcross is out, as we've seen, any combination of the others looks dodgy.
A really good CB to partner Ryan would be the first thing on the shopping list for January, although we'd probably have to ship out one of the others.
I'd be interested to see if Cameron can perform in midfield, and if he can then it might offer us a solution. As good as Charlie can be, I do think we need a real enforcer-type to help Whelan out a bit more in games where we're under a bit of pressure. There's also the issue that none of our CM options are getting any younger so a long-term successor to Whelan might be needed anyway in the next year or two. Van Ginkel's been somewhere between average and anonymous so far. If we could terminate his loan and bring in someone better then I think we should look at doing that in January.
Diouf's our only proper pacey option up-front and I think we need some proper competition for him. Walters can plug a gap but I think he's better on the right. Crouch is alright to throw on for the last 5 minutes if we're launching the ball into the box while Joselu just looks like a waste of money.
In an ideal world I think we should look to try and build a matchday squad along these lines:
Butland
Johnson
Shawcross
NEW CB
Pieters
Whelan
Adam
Shaqiri
Bojan
Arnautovic
Diouf
subs:
Given
Cameron
Muniesa
*NEW CM*
Afellay
Walters
*NEW CF*
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 9:12:40 GMT
Personally I think Adam's played well alongside Whelan. The 'problem position' is alongside Ryan in central defence; we'll continue to see Wolly, Muniesa, Cameron and Wilson rotated there because none of them seem consistent enough or (in Muniesa's case) free of injury long enough to truly nail a place down. And when Shawcross is out, as we've seen, any combination of the others looks dodgy. A really good CB to partner Ryan would be the first thing on the shopping list for January, although we'd probably have to ship out one of the others. I'd be interested to see if Cameron can perform in midfield, and if he can then it might offer us a solution. As good as Charlie can be, I do think we need a real enforcer-type to help Whelan out a bit more in games where we're under a bit of pressure. There's also the issue that none of our CM options are getting any younger so a long-term successor to Whelan might be needed anyway in the next year or two. Van Ginkel's been somewhere between average and anonymous so far. If we could terminate his loan and bring in someone better then I think we should look at doing that in January. Diouf's our only proper pacey option up-front and I think we need some proper competition for him. Walters can plug a gap but I think he's better on the right. Crouch is alright to throw on for the last 5 minutes if we're launching the ball into the box while Joselu just looks like a waste of money. In an ideal world I think we should look to try and build a matchday squad along these lines: Butland Johnson Shawcross NEW CB Pieters Whelan Adam Shaqiri Bojan Arnautovic Diouf subs: Given Cameron Muniesa *NEW CM* Afellay Walters *NEW CF* I'd definitely think about playing Cameron in midfield. He offers industry and athletiscm and would give us far more energy than we have at present. Too be honest I don't think a centre half is as pressing as a fast direct winger who can actually go by past the full back. Too often the widened are receiving the ball with their backs to the goal and are cutting back into an already congested middle. In the short term I'd give Bojan a rest, he looks way off the pace. Move Shaqiri into the middle where he will see more of the ball. The upshot is we have to move the ball quicker. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 9:19:12 GMT
I honestly don't think he has a clue as to what his best 11 is. Nzonzi was never replaced. Neither was Moses. Which is the two positions we are really struggling. We currently have 4 number 10s all vying for one slot.
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 1, 2015 9:20:24 GMT
A really fast winger would be an excellent addition. Afellay's been disappointing so far and isn't really an alternative to anything else we've got, just an inferior version.
I suppose it's a case of balancing these wishes against the wage bill and 25-man squad limit, but if we could somehow make room for a Moses-type then we should look to do it. I think Bojan's been good in fits and starts, and Shaqiri is getting better , but having a range of different options is essential when you have opponents like Watford turning up and frustrating us with effective defensive tactics.
We haven't seen the best of Diouf yet this season. I think his return to the first XI will improve things considerably.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 1, 2015 9:27:16 GMT
As has been said I think our starting XI is a doddle to pick and it's just that Hughes hasn't had the luxury of picking it very often.
Jack
Johnson
Ryan
Muni/Cameron/Wolly (take your pick)
Erik
Whelan
Charlie
Shaq
Bojan
Arnie
Diouf
Once the holy trinity behind Diouf are ALL fit and on form then we will see a different Stoke in my opinion.
In an ideal world we would sign a new centre back and a new holding midfielder but other than that I think we are in good shape (another winger would be ace as Afellay isn't a winger anymore).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 10:54:11 GMT
When everyone is fit I think the starting XI is pretty easy and very good barring one position. Butland Johnson Shawcross Muni Pieters Whelan Problem Position Shaqiri Bojan Arnie Diouf It keeps changing due to injuries though. One. Yes, they need better and quicker ball from deep though. We're moving the ball too slowly and not creating space for them to play in. I would switch Muni for Wooli, and Adam in the problem position, and I think thats our best 11 with everyone fit. Would like to see a bit more of Van Ginkel before he's completely written off alongside Whelan, but the chances of him being given more than five minutes to settle in and prove himself are slim to none. IMO, we need to get over the fact the Fonzi has gone, have a bit of patience and give somebody some time to lay claim to the position. It's a big role to fill and it wont happen overnight. Our fans (or at least a good number of folks who post on here) need to show a bit more patience than what we've seen so far this season and let Hughes figure out how best to fill the void. I still have no confidence in Wolly. And Adam has shown this season he can't do it. We need a new central midfielder as a matter of urgency in January. In the meantime who should play there? No idea! They're much of a shitness. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 10:56:31 GMT
Yup, we miss Moses massively. Give it a rest. We were never going to get Moses. Affelay and Shaq were supposed to be the speedsters and compete with Arnie for the two wing positions. Didn't work out too well because they've been too predictable and easy to defend. What's getting him got to do with anything? We needed another really fast winger in that case. If Afellay was our scouts needs firing pronto. He hasn't been quick for about 4 years! Shaqiri is quick but he's never been that fast and we always needed 2 wingers, Shaq and a really, really fast sort. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 10:59:50 GMT
When everyone is fit I think the starting XI is pretty easy and very good barring one position. Butland Johnson Shawcross Muni Pieters Whelan Problem Position Shaqiri Bojan Arnie Diouf It keeps changing due to injuries though. One. Yes, they need better and quicker ball from deep though. We're moving the ball too slowly and not creating space for them to play in. Adam is doing fine and played pretty well again yesterday. We are missing Moses and diouf far more than we are missing n'zonzi at the moment in my opinion. How Ireland isn't the first alternative to bojan is a tad baffling as well Adam is a massive problem, the hole by Whelan is fat and Scottish shaped!  We are missing them as well. The play isn't being stretched like it needs to be. But we're missing someone from deep to keep the play going, to have one-twos with the attacking midfielder and to be that spare man for the more creative types to run off. Having someone in the midfield who can get up and down would make a massive difference to us. |
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