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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 13:16:15 GMT
We do need a genuinely fast option though like Moses last season.
It's pretty key to how we play and to not have a third winger behind these two is pretty poor.
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Post by stokemark on Nov 1, 2015 13:18:38 GMT
Until the issue we have in this area is properly addressed we will struggle
Sell your best player and dont replace him
Nuts (IMHO)
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 1, 2015 13:20:54 GMT
I don't think any of those statements have been proven conclusively true or false yet have they? So you don't think it's worth another try? I think Arnie is doing fine on the left. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 13:23:16 GMT
I like Charlie but I'm still not convinced he's right for the DM role alongside Glen as he can be a little laboured when the balls at his feet. With MH appearing to have lost patience with VG wil it be time to try out GCam V Chelsea. For me he does have more athleticism, my only doubt would be his passing. Does anyone think Ireland could do well in that role. He can certainly see a pass and has an excellent footballing brain. Bold statement, that. Especially on November 1st. |
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 1, 2015 13:25:10 GMT
It'll be Geoff and Adam with Ryan fit.
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Post by Davef on Nov 1, 2015 13:25:17 GMT
We need to spend PROPER money on a N'Zonzi replacement. It's an area of the field that is crucial to way we play and the club, including the manager, has ballsed up big time IMHO. There's spending proper money and there's being delusional. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 13:27:35 GMT
We need to spend PROPER money on a N'Zonzi replacement. It's an area of the field that is crucial to way we play and the club, including the manager, has ballsed up big time IMHO. There's spending proper money and there's being delusional. It was a net spend of what 3/4 million? I think if we wanted to we could add a one on the front of that and it wouldn't be delusional. In fact it's what you probably need to do to replace one of your best players. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 13:30:22 GMT
Bojan Affelay Shaqiri Ireland Arnie Adam For me all of these players are all effectively fighting for one place maybe we can fit two of them in but currently we are sticking four of them on the pitch!!! Our forwards I think are fine and give us variety. Walters Crouch Diouf Joselu But we are really obviously missing direct players to put in the wide positions. Odemwingie is finished Moses has gone, feasibly we can stick Walters out there but to my mind we are missing two direct players to stick either side of Diouf. Defensively I think we are fine but too many passengers for my likening especially when we don't have the ball. Ps. That guy from Kiev would have been immense. Both Vardy and Mahrez would transform this squad. Also potentially we should look at Bollasse. We need to spend big here There's four positions in that first set. Central mid (Adam), Wings (Shaqiri, Arnie), and #10 (Bojan/Afellay, Ireland). |
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Post by Davef on Nov 1, 2015 13:33:14 GMT
There's spending proper money and there's being delusional. It was a net spend of what 3/4 million? I think if we wanted to we could add a one on the front of that and it wouldn't be delusional. In fact it's what you probably need to do to replace one of your best players. I'm talking about people thinking we could attract Vardy. Christ. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 13:37:29 GMT
It was a net spend of what 3/4 million? I think if we wanted to we could add a one on the front of that and it wouldn't be delusional. In fact it's what you probably need to do to replace one of your best players. I'm talking about people thinking we could attract Vardy. Christ. That is delusional but you quoted Pugs who hasn't mentioned that, and quoted spending proper money. Nowt to do with Vardy and merely just about spending money, so it looked like you were saying that it shouldn't be done, your holiness..... |
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Nov 1, 2015 13:38:38 GMT
Vardy would cost what? 10m? Anyway in my post I'm referring to the type of player, direct and quick, at the moment we have to many ball players who actually have very few options to pass to, the other worrying aspect of our game is the lack of pressing our front four do on the opposition.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 13:42:15 GMT
It'll be Geoff and Adam with Ryan fit.    |
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Post by Davef on Nov 1, 2015 13:43:20 GMT
Vardy would cost what? 10m? Anyway in my post I'm referring to the type of player, direct and quick, at the moment we have to many ball players who actually have very few options to pass to, the other worrying aspect of our game is the lack of pressing our front four do on the opposition. £10M for Vardy? Seriously?! I'm out of here. |
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Post by kustokie on Nov 1, 2015 13:45:57 GMT
Going a bit old fashioned and beating there man and getting decent crosses in to our striker Diouf, Joselu and Walters are all good headers of the ball and have good aerial presence so why are we not using it Spot on. Both are so predictable in their current positions as the defenders know that they will always look to come inside. Switch them from time to time during the game and see what happens. Ethers and Pennant used to do that a bit to good effect. Seems blindingly obvious to me. I said this on several posts yesterday. It is blindingly obvious and other teams have figured it out It's much easier to defend a winger if you know he's always going the same way. Question is, what to do about it? |
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Post by liamo on Nov 1, 2015 13:46:18 GMT
We need a new Zonz and to find a plan b, if a team sets up to defend narrowly and they do it well we will never score, both Arnie and Shaqiri want to bring the ball inside because crossing the ball is pointless, plan b should be Joselu/Crouch and we need to mix it up when one of those is on
I've noticed that when we play with Adam along side Whelan he barely joins an attack, whether it's tactics or he's not confident enough in his ability to get back i don't know but we are easily outnumbered when attacking, Zonz managed to get both areas spot on, to be fair on Adam though, for some reason whenever we attack our back 4 sit so deep that the opposition easily gets a break on so he probably feels he has to sit in the huge gap
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 13:47:34 GMT
We need a new Zonz and to find a plan b, if a team sets up to defend narrowly and they do it well we will never score, both Arnie and Shaqiri want to bring the ball inside because crossing the ball is pointless, plan b should be Joselu/Crouch and we need to mix it up when one of those is on I've noticed that when we play with Adam along side Whelan he barely joins an attack, whether it's tactics or he's not confident enough in his ability to get back i don't know but we are easily outnumbered when attacking, Zonz managed to get both areas spot on, to be fair on Adam though, for some reason whenever we attack our back 4 sit so deep that the opposition easily gets a break on so he probably feels he has to sit in the huge gap If you play Wolly they have to sit deep. It's why when fit Muni should be in the side. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 13:49:14 GMT
Spot on. Both are so predictable in their current positions as the defenders know that they will always look to come inside. Switch them from time to time during the game and see what happens. Ethers and Pennant used to do that a bit to good effect. Seems blindingly obvious to me. I said this on several posts yesterday. It is blindingly obvious and other teams have figured it out It's much easier to defend a winger if you know he's always going the same way. Question is, what to do about it? Tell them to go on the outside more? Arnie can do it and usually does it more often than he is now. |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Nov 1, 2015 13:49:19 GMT
Pugs is spot on in what he says earlier in the thread because until we find a similar player to him this team will struggle to create the necessary chances we need to score goals.A driving force like him is essential to get the best out of our attacking talent.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 1, 2015 13:52:06 GMT
Yeah no matter how much one ponders it, sadly the answer will always come out as "none of the above"
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Post by kustokie on Nov 1, 2015 14:05:23 GMT
That's also blindingly obvious. However, it also assumes Arnie can cross with his left and Shaq with his right., which I'm not sure they can. Can you recall how many times it's happened this season? I can't recall any - but my memory ain't what it used to be.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 14:08:46 GMT
If it's so blindingly obvious why isn't it happening?
They're either not listening to their manager (I don't think they do that overly) or the manager wants them cutting inside as often as possible, which is exactly what I think is happening.
Arnie's crossing with his left is excellent.
No idea re Shaq.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 1, 2015 14:10:32 GMT
If it's so blindingly obvious why isn't it happening? They're either not listening to their manager (I don't think they do that overly) or the manager wants them cutting inside as often as possible, which is exactly what I think is happening. Arnie's crossing with his left is excellent. No idea re Shaq. Because there is never anyone in the box to cross it to? This was as plain as day against Watford. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 1, 2015 14:14:06 GMT
It was a shit transfer window. Trying to get Walters out of the door and a 31 year old half hearted replacement at 5 o clock on the last day is testament to that. It makes you fucking shudder to think about that.
We'll do fuck all in January because we're too clever for business like that. Apparently.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 14:14:06 GMT
If it's so blindingly obvious why isn't it happening? They're either not listening to their manager (I don't think they do that overly) or the manager wants them cutting inside as often as possible, which is exactly what I think is happening. Arnie's crossing with his left is excellent. No idea re Shaq. Because there is never anyone in the box to cross it to? This was as plain as day against Watford. They're not going on the outside to even give that a chance though. And I think it's all part of the tactics. I don't get it but it's what we're trying to do and it makes no sense. Especially when our best play has come from Arnie and Shaq getting to the byline and getting across from there. We need to mix it up more in general and this is a massive part of that. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 1, 2015 14:17:48 GMT
It was a shit transfer window. Trying to get Walters out of the door and a 31 year old half hearted replacement at 5 o clock on the last day is testament to that. It makes you fucking shudder to think about that. We'll do fuck all in January because we're too clever for business like that. Apparently. Correct, and it could end up a season wasted. A bottom half finish will hardly make it easy to attract the quality of player we need and the manager wants. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 1, 2015 14:20:19 GMT
Because there is never anyone in the box to cross it to? This was as plain as day against Watford. They're not going on the outside to even give that a chance though. And I think it's all part of the tactics. I don't get it but it's what we're trying to do and it makes no sense. Especially when our best play has come from Arnie and Shaq getting to the byline and getting across from there. We need to mix it up more in general and this is a massive part of that. Yep, you're preaching to the converted. It's a frustration because it's not as though we are short of ability up front. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 14:23:41 GMT
They're not going on the outside to even give that a chance though. And I think it's all part of the tactics. I don't get it but it's what we're trying to do and it makes no sense. Especially when our best play has come from Arnie and Shaq getting to the byline and getting across from there. We need to mix it up more in general and this is a massive part of that. Yep, you're preaching to the converted. It's a frustration because it's not as though we are short of ability up front. We have a fucking good side on paper, that's what makes what we're watching even more annoying. We're clearly missing a dominant force in the middle but other than that the side we have is really good. They just need to act like it. |
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Nov 1, 2015 14:34:03 GMT
I reckon Arnie is probably the best two footed player we have, there's countless times where he's put in excellent deliveries with his left foot.
The biggest problem is what's behind them, the ball is giving far to slowly to them, they aren't miracle workers, they aren't gonna beat 4/5 a time.
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Post by liamo on Nov 1, 2015 14:36:49 GMT
I don't see how we can't go for a Zonz type player in January, 11 games in and V.Ginkel is losing out to Charlie Adam, no offence to Charlie but he's not a CDM, which says a lot about MVG
We needed a Zonz replacement and we thought we had one in MVG, it hasn't worked out that way so we're back to that point, we NEED a Zonz replacement still, we've looked good at times but there hasn't been a game yet that i've though "N'zonzi who?!" our midfield looks completely empty, i would have loved to have seen Zonz in this current team
Butland
Johnson Shawcross Muni Pieters
Whelan Zonz
Shaqiri Bojan Arnie
Diouf
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 14:37:59 GMT
Arnie can put in a good cross with either foot, is pretty obvious Shaqiri is not great with his right foot.
Bayern and Basel played him on the left and benefitted.
IMO having them where they are not trying to cut in all the time would mean more space in the middle for Adam/Bojan to put some passes through or shoot and when they can actually get to the byline they can put in a good ball at full sprint with their strongest foot. Plus the added bonus of them being able to get early crosses in on the counter which Diouf seems to thrive off.
With them cutting in all the time we seem very predictable and then become crowed in the middle. They are also having to take 1/2 extra touches to cut inside and create an opening to cross (which is usually closed off pretty quickly hence a lot of sideways passing in the final third)
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