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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 1, 2015 11:33:51 GMT
I like Charlie but I'm still not convinced he's right for the DM role alongside Glen as he can be a little laboured when the balls at his feet. With MH appearing to have lost patience with VG wil it be time to try out GCam V Chelsea. For me he does have more athleticism, my only doubt would be his passing. Does anyone think Ireland could do well in that role. He can certainly see a pass and has an excellent footballing brain.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 1, 2015 11:34:13 GMT
Give it a rest. We were never going to get Moses. Affelay and Shaq were supposed to be the speedsters and compete with Arnie for the two wing positions. Didn't work out too well because they've been too predictable and easy to defend. What's getting him got to do with anything? We needed another really fast winger in that case. If Afellay was our scouts needs firing pronto. He hasn't been quick for about 4 years! Shaqiri is quick but he's never been that fast and we always needed 2 wingers, Shaq and a really, really fast sort. Very poor transfer window is the reason, Vg, Joselu, Affelay, not fit for purpose this settling in thing is bull shit we are a quarter of the way through the season, Wolly not as good as Huth, Shaqu looking a very expensive addition to the squad, comes to something when the most consistent players we have at the moment are all Pulis buys. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 11:40:11 GMT
I've slightly gone past caring with it because all of the options (I'd think about Afellay there as well) look pretty grim.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 1, 2015 11:43:54 GMT
Charlie has done much better in the role than I'd thought he could.
He is now lasting the whole game too.
His recent displays have not justified him being dropped.
Until such time as he does something stupid(needless sending off) or loses form he deserves to keep his place.
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Post by nutterpotter on Nov 1, 2015 11:47:42 GMT
Think we should give Afellay a chance.
He's composed on the ball and will help us link the defence to attack, much like what N'Zonzi used to do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 11:51:27 GMT
Either a new signing in January to fill that position or we mix up the formation a bit and just play with the one defensive mid with both other central midfielders slightly further back, Bojan isn't really suited to that though and it's vital he plays in his best position. I'd probably go with Afellay or Ireland and stick with the current formation.
--------------------Butland-------------
--Johnson --Shawcross--Wolly--Pieters
-------------------Whelan--------------
-------------Affelay----Bojan------------
-----Shaq-----------------------Arnie---
------------------Diouf------------------
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 1, 2015 12:03:52 GMT
I like Charlie but I'm still not convinced he's right for the DM role alongside Glen as he can be a little laboured when the balls at his feet. With MH appearing to have lost patience with VG wil it be time to try out GCam V Chelsea. For me he does have more athleticism, my only doubt would be his passing. Does anyone think Ireland could do well in that role. He can certainly see a pass and has an excellent footballing brain. Adam lasted the game yesterday but he hasn't got the engine (which N'Zonzi had) to do the defensive element AND get forward to support the front men. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 12:24:29 GMT
Going a bit old fashioned and beating there man and getting decent crosses in to our striker
Diouf, Joselu and Walters are all good headers of the ball and have good aerial presence so why are we not using it
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 1, 2015 12:27:00 GMT
Arnie generally isn't as good on the right.
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Post by MilanStokie on Nov 1, 2015 12:28:15 GMT
Going a bit old fashioned and beating there man and getting decent crosses in to our striker Diouf, Joselu and Walters are all good headers of the ball and have good aerial presence so why are we not using it I am not sure it would work. The problem is having 2 wingers doing the same thing. I think whilst Bojan is obviously lacking fitness and should make some appearances from the bench, Shaqiri should be used in the middle and pick from Walters/Odemwingie/Afellay on the right. Arnie looks worlds apart when played left wing over right. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 1, 2015 12:29:47 GMT
We need to get a a lot more early crosses in but also more than one man in the box , thought we had left those days behind
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 12:31:11 GMT
Arnie generally isn't as good on the right. Apparently Charlie can't play in a midfield two and Wollscheid and Shawcross can't play together. It's worth another try to kickstart our creativity, even if it's just the odd switch during games to start with. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 1, 2015 12:36:07 GMT
Arnie generally isn't as good on the right. Apparently Charlie can't play in a midfield two and Wollscheid and Shawcross can't play together. It's worth another try to kickstart our creativity, even if it's just the odd switch during games to start with. I don't think any of those statements have been proven conclusively true or false yet have they? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 12:36:56 GMT
Arnie generally isn't as good on the right. Apparently Charlie can't play in a midfield two and Wollscheid and Shawcross can't play together. It's worth another try to kickstart our creativity, even if it's just the odd switch during games to start with. Adam needs dropping faster than a stone! |
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Post by stokester1989 on Nov 1, 2015 12:38:41 GMT
arnie a left footer and shaq right footed.
it makes sense
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 12:39:28 GMT
Apart from Arnie when he has played on the right for us has generally been awful?
He's a left winger.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Nov 1, 2015 12:43:31 GMT
Going a bit old fashioned and beating there man and getting decent crosses in to our striker Diouf, Joselu and Walters are all good headers of the ball and have good aerial presence so why are we not using it Spot on. Both are so predictable in their current positions as the defenders know that they will always look to come inside. Switch them from time to time during the game and see what happens. Ethers and Pennant used to do that a bit to good effect. Seems blindingly obvious to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 12:44:35 GMT
Apparently Charlie can't play in a midfield two and Wollscheid and Shawcross can't play together. It's worth another try to kickstart our creativity, even if it's just the odd switch during games to start with. I don't think any of those statements have been proven conclusively true or false yet have they? So you don't think it's worth another try? |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 1, 2015 12:48:04 GMT
One change I would try is to drop Bojan, move Shaq inside and put Diouf on the right.
I just don't think we get the ball enough to Shaqiri.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Nov 1, 2015 12:50:34 GMT
Bojan
Affelay
Shaqiri
Ireland
Arnie
Adam
For me all of these players are all effectively fighting for one place maybe we can fit two of them in but currently we are sticking four of them on the pitch!!!
Our forwards I think are fine and give us variety.
Walters
Crouch
Diouf
Joselu
But we are really obviously missing direct players to put in the wide positions.
Odemwingie is finished Moses has gone, feasibly we can stick Walters out there but to my mind we are missing two direct players to stick either side of Diouf.
Defensively I think we are fine but too many passengers for my likening especially when we don't have the ball.
Ps. That guy from Kiev would have been immense.
Both Vardy and Mahrez would transform this squad. Also potentially we should look at Bollasse. We need to spend big here
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 12:52:27 GMT
One change I would try is to drop Bojan, move Shaq inside and put Diouf on the right. I just don't think we get the ball enough to Shaqiri. I was with you until Diouf on the right. Why play our best striker on the right? It's a waste. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 1, 2015 12:55:04 GMT
One change I would try is to drop Bojan, move Shaq inside and put Diouf on the right. I just don't think we get the ball enough to Shaqiri. I was with you until Diouf on the right. Why play our best striker on the right? It's a waste. I know but it's better than Walters on the right. If Walters plays it has to be down the middle. To be honest I'd probably stick with what we have but we have to get the ball quicker to our creative players. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 13:02:56 GMT
I was with you until Diouf on the right. Why play our best striker on the right? It's a waste. I know but it's better than Walters on the right. If Walters plays it has to be down the middle. To be honest I'd probably stick with what we have but we have to get the ball quicker to our creative players. I hate Walters on the right but I hate Diouf out there more. I think dropping Bojan though is a great idea and then using him later on instead of Afellay. It keeps the starting XI strong attacking wise (on paper) and will only strengthen it when he comes on. That can't be said currently. It will also help Bojan imo. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 1, 2015 13:05:02 GMT
I know but it's better than Walters on the right. If Walters plays it has to be down the middle. To be honest I'd probably stick with what we have but we have to get the ball quicker to our creative players. I hate Walters on the right but I hate Diouf out there more. I think dropping Bojan though is a great idea and then using him later on instead of Afellay. It keeps the starting XI strong attacking wise (on paper) and will only strengthen it when he comes on. That can't be said currently. It will also help Bojan imo. It's mystifying why Ireland isn't getting a chance, especially after he virtually single-handedly changed the game at Spurs. |
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Post by Davef on Nov 1, 2015 13:05:14 GMT
Vardy, Mahrez, Bollasie?
You do realise we're not Chelsea or Manchester City?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2015 13:06:29 GMT
Here I am stuck in the middle with diouf!
There's a song to made here!!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 1, 2015 13:07:58 GMT
I hate Walters on the right but I hate Diouf out there more. I think dropping Bojan though is a great idea and then using him later on instead of Afellay. It keeps the starting XI strong attacking wise (on paper) and will only strengthen it when he comes on. That can't be said currently. It will also help Bojan imo. It's mystifying why Ireland isn't getting a chance, especially after he virtually single-handedly changed the game at Spurs. It's a puzzler. Some say he was shit at Luton.........who wasn't? His assist that game was also exquisite and we haven't seen creativity like that (all be it against a League 2 side) all season. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 1, 2015 13:10:00 GMT
We need to spend PROPER money on a N'Zonzi replacement. It's an area of the field that is crucial to way we play and the club, including the manager, has ballsed up big time IMHO.
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Post by kevkj on Nov 1, 2015 13:11:28 GMT
Both lack the pace to go past on the outside,still think we need someone wide with lightning pace in the squad.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 1, 2015 13:14:22 GMT
Both lack the pace to go past on the outside,still think we need someone wide with lightning pace in the squad. Which is untrue. They both have enough pace to beat their man. You don't have to knock it 10 yards past and just run quicker - you need the skill as well which they both have in abundance. We've seen it plenty of times from Arnie and glimpses from Shaq. We just need to get the ball to them quicker, get them in space, one on one with the fullback. |
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