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Post by mywaydesolzan on Apr 8, 2015 19:49:49 GMT
I am not asking for Coates to pay. I am asking for the company that owns the club to invest in the club, given the extra TV revenue. And I'm saying trust in the board that have taken us on this magical ride over the last 10 years. Alright buddy, you are obviously quite happy. You got your season ticket and all that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 19:52:50 GMT
upthefud - yep fair shout they have done amazingly well but, like Tony Pulis - perhaps they too have reached their own 'glass ceiling' ?
happy with where they are - not too bothered about going much further - risk averse perhaps - not seeing the next steps on the ladder ?
things now being filed under 'too difficult' or too 'risky' perhaps ?
(Perhaps the club would care to comment on their vision for the future perhaps ?)
I talked about the Evertons the Villas and the Spurs on another thread - these are the well established upper quartile clubs we need to be chasing down hard
one thing we know form past history - sit on your arse in this league system - you go backwards in point of fact
We've stabilised - prudently run - respected for not overstretching or messing about
you cant hide it though -our income IS doubling - we ARE a world wide brand
So
Hows about = Stoke City Pushing for top six - tilting at Cups (in a real way) and Europe too ! - regularly attracting and retaining a 30k plus crowd
I say -- why not ?
and ---- anyone been around North East Manchester recently ?
seen whats happening there ? - thats what we're up against - Im not saying we have to match them - but the message is clear
grow or die
AND if we dont do it somebody else will -- Derby perhaps ? Maybe Norwich ? - Wolves ? Ipswich ? Watford ? Leeds even ??
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Apr 8, 2015 19:56:15 GMT
upthefud - yep fair shout they have done amazingly well but, like Tony Pulis - perhaps they too have reached their own 'glass ceiling' ? happy with where they are - not too bothered about going much further - risk averse perhaps - not seeing the next steps on the ladder ? things now being filed under 'too difficult' or too 'risky perhaps' perhaps ? (Perhaps the club would care to comment on their vision for the future perhaps ?) I talked about the Evertons the Villas and the Spurs on another thread - these are the well established upper quartile clubs we need to be chasing down hard one thing we know form past history - sit on your arse - you go backwards in point of fact Stoke City Pushing for top six - tilting at Cups (in a real way) and Europe - regularly attracting and retaining a 30k plus crowd I say -- why not ? and ---- anyone been around North East Manchester recently ? seen whats happening there ? - thats what we're up against - Im not saying we have to match them - but the message is clear grow or die The only alternative is to go backwards.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 20:10:13 GMT
So exactly where is multistory car park with walkways to the stadium going. Just asking. You could put one at the bottom of our street, as long as I get 50p a car =)
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Post by upthefud on Apr 8, 2015 20:16:51 GMT
upthefud - yep fair shout they have done amazingly well but, like Tony Pulis - perhaps they too have reached their own 'glass ceiling' ? happy with where they are - not too bothered about going much further - risk averse perhaps - not seeing the next steps on the ladder ? things now being filed under 'too difficult' or too 'risky' perhaps ? (Perhaps the club would care to comment on their vision for the future perhaps ?) I talked about the Evertons the Villas and the Spurs on another thread - these are the well established upper quartile clubs we need to be chasing down hard one thing we know form past history - sit on your arse in this league system - you go backwards in point of fact We've stabilised - prudently run - respected for not overstretching or messing about you cant hide it though -our income IS doubling - we ARE a world wide brand So Hows about = Stoke City Pushing for top six - tilting at Cups (in a real way) and Europe too ! - regularly attracting and retaining a 30k plus crowd I say -- why not ?and ---- anyone been around North East Manchester recently ? seen whats happening there ? - thats what we're up against - Im not saying we have to match them - but the message is clear grow or die AND if we dont do it somebody else will -- Derby perhaps ? Maybe Norwich ? - Wolves ? Ipswich ? Watford ? Leeds even ?? St.Peter has been an absolute godsend. We are in the best hands in the league with the family. If they don't want a corner then I don't want a corner. When they want a corner I'll back them to the hilt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 20:20:37 GMT
It is a moderate prize staring us in the face
it is hardly a big step or a major risk to the business
it is readily funded and will yield benefits over the longer term
it is also a 'no brainer' given our circumstance
it is also overdue, if anything
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Post by upthefud on Apr 8, 2015 20:22:00 GMT
Its a prize staring us in the face it is also a no brainer and overdue if anything If it was a no brainer the billionaires who wrote off the clubs debt costing them millions would have done it already. They're better business people than anyone on this board and they have our best interests at heart.
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Post by keasie1863 on Apr 8, 2015 20:33:00 GMT
Its a prize staring us in the face it is also a no brainer and overdue if anything If it was a no brainer the billionaires who wrote off the clubs debt costing them millions would have done it already. They're better business people than anyone on this board and they have our best interests at heart. If you think "billionaires ",have our "best interests at heart" then you my friend are deluded!
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Apr 8, 2015 20:34:05 GMT
I'm right with you tone needs to happen fast
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Apr 8, 2015 20:34:27 GMT
If it was a no brainer the billionaires who wrote off the clubs debt costing them millions would have done it already. They're better business people than anyone on this board and they have our best interests at heart. If you think "billionaires ",have our "best interests at heart" then you my friend are deluded! I agree with that as well
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Post by upthefud on Apr 8, 2015 20:35:39 GMT
If it was a no brainer the billionaires who wrote off the clubs debt costing them millions would have done it already. They're better business people than anyone on this board and they have our best interests at heart. If you think "billionaires ",have our "best interests at heart" then you my friend are deluded! So they just wrote off what the club owed them for nothing? Name me a better chairman in the league then
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 20:35:57 GMT
This isnt about the chairman or criticsm thereof
but large organisations have directors - usually they are not of one voice and, I know for a fact sometimes - directors and chief executives usually through being ill advised or badly informed
make bad calls or as in this case, just plain - fail to act in timely fashion
BUT
Step back - think about it - its hardly a decision - design is done, approvals done - footings done - funding - not an issue
in the overall scheme of things when you look around at what other clubs are doing
its small potatoes - it really is
and I STILL completely fail to see why we procrastinate on this one aspect
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Post by surreystokie on Apr 8, 2015 20:40:26 GMT
No one wants that corner filled in more than me and not only because I have such an embarrassing view of it.
What makes it worse, is the fact that the other two clubs whose ground was the same as ours but was finished properly, (Boro and Derby) may be demanding a visit next season.
However, am refusing to bang my head in vain right now but leaving my exasperation until next season, when with the new Sky contract just ahead, there will be no excuses whatsoever.
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Post by keasie1863 on Apr 8, 2015 20:50:01 GMT
If you think "billionaires ",have our "best interests at heart" then you my friend are deluded! So they just wrote off what the club owed them for nothing? Name me a better chairman in the league then I never questioned,mr coates as a chairman,the second time around.but ask yourself this.why do you think the spending over the last two years has stopped.now dont take this as slagging off the owners,because under mark hughes i have been thoroughly entertained.and as we all know spending shit loads doesnt always work.but as i said before,billionaires dont tend to have other peoples interests at heart,the are usually ruthless and do things first and foremost for themselves. Thats how they make it big.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 8, 2015 20:51:31 GMT
If you think "billionaires ",have our "best interests at heart" then you my friend are deluded! So they just wrote off what the club owed them for nothing? Name me a better chairman in the league then This book was written for you...
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Post by nenepotter on Apr 8, 2015 20:54:21 GMT
If you think "billionaires ",have our "best interests at heart" then you my friend are deluded! I agree with that as well
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Post by upthefud on Apr 8, 2015 20:54:29 GMT
So they just wrote off what the club owed them for nothing? Name me a better chairman in the league then I never questioned,mr coates as a chairman,the second time around.but ask yourself this.why do you think the spending over the last two years has stopped.now dont take this as slagging off the owners,because under mark hughes i have been thoroughly entertained.and as we all know spending shit loads doesnt always work.but as i said before,billionaires dont tend to have other peoples interests at heart,the are usually ruthless and do things first and foremost for themselves. Thats how they make it big. The spending has dropped off because top targets haven't been landed. We agreed £8m for Diouf, we chased Shaqiri. Sidwell and Bardsley are two experienced pros who would have cost us £5m for the pair. Bojan was a steal. Our squad is huge and not easy to pay the wages of. If the money had truly dried up then would the ambitious Mr.Hughes have rushed to sign a new deal? This club is going places.
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Post by upthefud on Apr 8, 2015 20:55:23 GMT
So they just wrote off what the club owed them for nothing? Name me a better chairman in the league then This book was written for you... When you've finished reading please send it my way
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Post by nenepotter on Apr 8, 2015 20:58:50 GMT
Totally appreciate what Coates has done and have confidence in the future, but frustrated by the silence on this issue. Planning approval sought and granted a few years ago now. I can understand the short term delay as season tickets we're falling then. But now demand as big as ever. Surely the supporters ought to be kept informed as to the plans.
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Post by keasie1863 on Apr 8, 2015 21:02:56 GMT
I never questioned,mr coates as a chairman,the second time around.but ask yourself this.why do you think the spending over the last two years has stopped.now dont take this as slagging off the owners,because under mark hughes i have been thoroughly entertained.and as we all know spending shit loads doesnt always work.but as i said before,billionaires dont tend to have other peoples interests at heart,the are usually ruthless and do things first and foremost for themselves. Thats how they make it big. The spending has dropped off because top targets haven't been landed. We agreed £8m for Diouf, we chased Shaqiri. Sidwell and Bardsley are two experienced pros who would have cost us £5m for the pair. Bojan was a steal. Our squad is huge and not easy to pay the wages of. If the money had truly dried up then would the ambitious Mr.Hughes have rushed to sign a new deal? This club is going places. Then fill the fucking corners in then!!!!
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Apr 8, 2015 21:27:44 GMT
I'm not certain why this hasn't happened or isn't happening but I have a theory which I've aired before. Are the club waiting for safe standing to be made legal?
I don't buy it that they won't do it because there is no demand, as many have stated, some people don't go because they either think that there are no tickets available or they can't get3,4 together.
I'm sure that if safe standing was passed then the club would want an area for this. If they now went ahead and seated the corner it would then be a costly exercise to redevelop another area into safe standing, so, just maybe they're waiting?
I'm not in the know and this is purely a thought, maybe a question someone could ask at a future news conference?
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Post by lordb on Apr 8, 2015 21:57:24 GMT
Players with less than 25 appearances for the club: John Guidetti Brek Shea Maurice Edu Michael Owen Jamie Ness Jonathan Woodgate John Carew Eidur Gudjohnsen Diego Arismendi Louis Moult Michael Tonge Tom Soares Andrew Davies Ibrahima Sonko Amdy Faye Seyi Olofinjana Stephen Kelly Henri Camara Demar Phillips And however many games Palacios/Jerome got dont have a few of those and we could of paid for a corner? The fee we paid for Arismendi would have paid for it. The cost implications for the scoreboard corner is so ridiculously low that the hesitation is being driven by other concerns. I.e. that we would end up with swathes of empty seats thus affecting the atmosphere. Given we effectively sell out now I think that's daft. When we going for promotion many said after the first season or two the novelty would wear off and crowds would drop. Didn't happen. The idea that we wouldn't continue to sell 95% (minimum) of our tickets with a 30000 (that's 30000 not 50000) is bonkers.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 9, 2015 8:23:57 GMT
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Post by StokieMatt on Apr 9, 2015 8:44:30 GMT
You work down the ground or something? Because 200 out of 21000 season tickets want the corner filled in, think your letter might end up in the bin
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 9, 2015 8:55:50 GMT
You work down the ground or something? Because 200 out of 21000 season tickets want the corner filled in, think your letter might end up in the bin are you the binman or something? dick
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Post by Paddypotter on Apr 9, 2015 9:27:55 GMT
What I get from posts like this are; Some Season ticket holders who've already got their seats don't want to fill in the corners, which smacks of "fuck you I'm alright Jack" What about people who can't plan to be there due to various things? You don't have to fill every seat in the stadium every week, even filling half of the extra seats would mean almost a 1,000 more fans could enjoy games, add to the atmosphere. In the 70's I couldn't have a season ticket as I was in the forces, never knew when I'd be able to attend. Onetime I flew in from Germany unexpectedly,put my gear down, picked up the Sentinel saw Stoke were playing that night and off I went. We're bound to have in our catchment area enough people to make it worth while.
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Post by StokieMatt on Apr 9, 2015 9:56:15 GMT
You work down the ground or something? Because 200 out of 21000 season tickets want the corner filled in, think your letter might end up in the bin are you the binman or something? dick i take it back, with such high standard diplomacy skills you're presenting he will be sure to listen. you would need do a more in depth study; Ratio of them voters who don't have season tickets and will buy one if we have a corner. How many season tickets we have sold and if there is a waiting list which will require the extra 1500 seats, if so would it recoup the cost of the new seats? how many people would be interested in safe standing if that becomes legal in the next few years, which for all you know might be the plan which they wont put out in the press till it is legal. you writing a letter to Tony Scholes going 'ive got 200 people who want a new corner we demand answers' isnt going get very far, he probably wouldn't even read it all.
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 9, 2015 9:56:51 GMT
I have read the comments and sympathise with a lot of the arguments people are making in favour of faci, but I remain to be convinced.
A lot of people are asking for the club to spend £millions for seats for people who may occasionally choose to turn up. Even some of the pro faci admit it might not be filled.
Arguing that the club has wasted £millions on players is no justification for installing rows of empty seats.
I struggle to understand how such a large majority of posters (I accept I am in the tiny minority) can just ignore economics; the viability of the club is not at stake I know, but spending money on assets that may not be properly utilised sends a bad signal, indicating the club has got money to waste.
The fundamental obstacle that pro faci supporters must overcome is that Stoke has never had an average gate to support a larger ground than the present. A lot of people seem to be placing blind faith in the belief that if the seats are installed they will be filled. I know they will be filled for half a dozen "big matches" each season, but that is not sufficient argument to invest the capital.
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Post by skemstokie on Apr 9, 2015 9:59:21 GMT
What I get from posts like this are; Some Season ticket holders who've already got their seats don't want to fill in the corners, which smacks of "fuck you I'm alright Jack" What about people who can't plan to be there due to various things? You don't have to fill every seat in the stadium every week, even filling half of the extra seats would mean almost a 1,000 more fans could enjoy games, add to the atmosphere. In the 70's I couldn't have a season ticket as I was in the forces, never knew when I'd be able to attend. Onetime I flew in from Germany unexpectedly,put my gear down, picked up the Sentinel saw Stoke were playing that night and off I went. We're bound to have in our catchment area enough people to make it worth while. My sentiments too, as you say if you cannot do a season ticket should not exclude you from attending,i was there in the days of 7500 gates in the bad old days so why must i miss out on a bit of the good times< i may not live in Stoke but my heart does.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 10:02:41 GMT
I don't really care too much about increased capacity etc. I'd just like a ground that's finished. It looks toss when compared to some Championship clubs, we've had years of Premier League income now. Just sort it. Make it look decent, not half-arsed.
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