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Post by interestedobserver on Jan 26, 2014 5:43:33 GMT
I've not come to terms with Stafford Stokie offering someone on over a pint today. I've had visions of him adorning a mere towel and a bag of sex toys as he waits at the bar for his challenger. It's horrible. Completely off-topic mate. But I wanted to thank you for using that album cover as your avatar. Saw it about six months ago and I liked the 'vibe' i got from it. Tracked down the album and bought it. Wife and I have listened to it quite a bit and she listens to it a lot while at work.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 26, 2014 6:15:31 GMT
Like like like op.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jan 26, 2014 6:18:39 GMT
A lot of the hysteria this time last year was delusional and misguided. Coming down to earth with a bump and realising this was never going to be pretty. Its not terrible business because we need any option in the coming relegation battle and jones was not an option.
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 26, 2014 6:25:12 GMT
We were never going to replace an entire forward Line in one window , 2 strikers in dead wood out ! It's progress of sorts .
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 26, 2014 6:33:24 GMT
Absolute joke of a message board now Don't post anywhere near as much, tonight's just proven it Can't blame you, I've had my fill of it now too. Get a grip you big Jesse
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Post by bassmaster on Jan 26, 2014 7:01:38 GMT
I've not come to terms with Stafford Stokie offering someone on over a pint today. I've had visions of him adorning a mere towel and a bag of sex toys as he waits at the bar for his challenger. It's horrible. Completely off-topic mate. But I wanted to thank you for using that album cover as your avatar. Saw it about six months ago and I liked the 'vibe' i got from it. Tracked down the album and bought it. Wife and I have listened to it quite a bit and she listens to it a lot while at work. Go and see them live I when you can, you'll not be disappointed. Also, check out Stars of theLid, you might like!!
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 26, 2014 7:03:42 GMT
I suppose with Pennant gone, another wide option is useful- which Odemwingie can provide. He's also cover for the striker role.
I was hoping we'd sign a definite starter who could improve our first XI but, if we're looking for positives, PO can cover two positions and can't offer any less than Jones and Pennant would have done.
ARM- Walters, Odemwingie ACM- Adam, Ireland ALM- Assaidi, Arnie CF- Crouch, Guidetti
I think this might see us part with Ethers in the very near future as well.
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Post by padders01 on Jan 26, 2014 8:24:17 GMT
Absolute joke of a message board now Don't post anywhere near as much, tonight's just proven it Some of the posts and posters remind me of the suicide squad in 'the life of Brian' film Fook sake everybody why do we have to tear apart every player before theyve even kicked a football? Welcome the bloke, its not as if weve unveiled a rather fat simon stainrod or paul stewary at the end of their careers Sent from my LT30p using proboards This Well said that man
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Post by keasie1863 on Jan 26, 2014 8:31:00 GMT
Because it's a massive "if". He's an aging player, who was totally useless at his last club. And he relies pace, how many 32/33 year old footballer keep their pace? Lets not beat about the bush here, it's a massive gamble and one Cardiff on the face of it get the better of. You dont need much pace, to be pacey in our side.so if hes still got a little bit of his pace left, then that wil be pacey enough for me.
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Post by werrington on Jan 26, 2014 8:34:33 GMT
It's not the fault of the player that he's been given an 18 month contract
Any frustrations should not be vented towards him
Welcome to Stoke City Peter
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 26, 2014 8:39:25 GMT
Because it's a massive "if". He's an aging player, who was totally useless at his last club. And he relies pace, how many 32/33 year old footballer keep their pace? Lets not beat about the bush here, it's a massive gamble and one Cardiff on the face of it get the better of. You dont need much pace, to be pacey in our side.so if hes still got a little bit of his pace left, then that wil be pacey enough for me. To be fair, if you sort of just did a little trot you would be pacey in our current walking midfield type football side
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 26, 2014 9:06:43 GMT
I can see the logic of your point given that Jones has burnt his bridges with Hughes but Stoke need the option of being rid in the summer , or this is expensive
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Post by malteser68 on Jan 26, 2014 9:37:27 GMT
Or the players we want or better thsn we have are not available for the right money? Why keep hold of Jones on £40k a week when he clearly wanted out? Looks like good business for me? Who would you prefer on the bench when we need a goal? PO or a half arsed KJ, who might text the manager hours before kick off saying he can't be arsed to turn up today after pocketing another £40k? Simple sell Jones to Cardiff and leave it at that. sell jones ? For how much? His contract expires in summer so no team would spend a penny to actually 'buy' him . I wouldn't spend a penny on him in any case. This swap makes a lot of sense. Odemwingie is a versatile forward who till not so long ago whilst playing with the baggies was IMO one of the best players plying their trade for a side outside the top 7. If he rediscovers a bit of form I'm sure he can give a much better contribution than the useless lazy slob we've just shipped off to Cardiff. I agree that our expectations at the start of this window were much higher but the addition of guidetti and odemwingie to our attacking options cannot but be considered (in the short term, at least) as a good step forward
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Post by wuzza on Jan 26, 2014 9:38:48 GMT
Werrington is right - we have to welcome Odemwinge with open arms. As far as this club is concerned his copy-book is totally un-blotted and he might just be an answer to some of our problems. Kenwyne on the other hand had plenty of chances and for whatever reason didnt take them (lack of ability wasnt one of those reasons).
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 26, 2014 9:46:25 GMT
Lets be honest at 33 hes finished,cant get into the cardiff side ,tried to push a movd thru by driving down to qpr,the blokes a mercenary,hughes is digging his own grave his loans and signings have been a joke,the question is will he jump ship before he takes us down
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Post by You want salad on kebab boss? on Jan 26, 2014 9:49:42 GMT
Logged on to post exactly the same kind of message this board has gone down the pan, with comments about writing players, management, even the owners off ! Ridiculous, the majority have been spoilt by the Premier league and the pressure of staying there, this final situation of KJ & PO swap makes sense for the short term, PO May or may not score the goals to keep us up ? But FFS give the guy a chance, KJ plain and simply had to go, he didn't want to play for us anymore and was off in the summer anyway for nowt, business wise it really is a no brainer !
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 26, 2014 9:50:18 GMT
We were never going to replace an entire forward Line in one window , 2 strikers in dead wood out ! It's progress of sorts . Absolutely right. It would be foolish to replace a large part of the team in one go, as it would lose "a team" and create a bunch of players who need to spend months together to become "a team". That was the mistake MH made at QPR, wholesale change does not work. This isn't fantasy football. MH is right to let those go who are not going to be regular first choice and bring in some who will challenge for a first choice position. It would be very nice to go and buy an automatic first choice but that is clearly difficult given that those sort of players are playing the field, waiting for the best offer, screwing the clubs for every penny their agents can raise, etc.
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Post by Northy on Jan 26, 2014 9:54:36 GMT
I can see the logic of your point given that Jones has burnt his bridges with Hughes but Stoke need the option of being rid in the summer , or this is expensive How do we know there isnt an opt out clause at the end of the season either way ? There may be confidentiality clauses about it, how many people knew about pennants january release clause? Half the posters on here can jump to conclusions better than a flea can jump onto a dogs back from off the ground Sent from my LT30p using proboards
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Post by ricardocomeback on Jan 26, 2014 10:08:49 GMT
Looks like we have failed in the transfer department in this window, nobody wants to come to Stoke who is half decent and Coates is clearly not prepared to spend, so why not take a ridiculous gamble and bring in a 32 year old player well past his sell by date!
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 26, 2014 10:12:30 GMT
Logged on to post exactly the same kind of message this board has gone down the pan, with comments about writing players, management, even the owners off ! Ridiculous, the majority have been spoilt by the Premier league and the pressure of staying there, this final situation of KJ & PO swap makes sense for the short term, PO May or may not score the goals to keep us up ? But FFS give the guy a chance, KJ plain and simply had to go, he didn't want to play for us anymore and was off in the summer anyway for nowt, business wise it really is a no brainer ! Writing players off, management decisions being slated and questioning the owners such as why not getting rid of the manager / transfer strategy has been debated on here for years it's nowt new . But a message board is about opinions positive or negative about what's going on is what makes it interesting. If we all agreed it would be boring!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 26, 2014 10:23:43 GMT
I can see the logic of your point given that Jones has burnt his bridges with Hughes but Stoke need the option of being rid in the summer , or this is expensive How do we know there isnt an opt out clause at the end of the season either way ? There may be confidentiality clauses about it, how many people knew about pennants january release clause? Half the posters on here can jump to conclusions better than a flea can jump onto a dogs back from off the ground Sent from my LT30p using proboards I don't just making the point that if we don't and he has another year on £30k a week he is expensive, if he scores the goals that keep us up though he will be a bargain in the way Beattie was even though he did sweet FA in his second season. It's a gamble and we will only know in May if it's paid off , It's a hard one to call , personally I don't like footballing mercenaries and we seem to be stuck with an increasing number of them in this league , I can't think our dressing room is going to be strong especially if another good character Whelan and possibly even Crouch also move on
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Post by greenhoff74 on Jan 26, 2014 10:27:18 GMT
This might just have proven to Coates that he can't trust Hughes with any of his money
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 26, 2014 10:46:50 GMT
This might just have proven to Coates that he can't trust Hughes with any of his money I think money must be a big Issue I don't fully understand financial fair play but I think a big part of it is about clubs generating a percentage of their Income and losing 3000 season tickets and having one of the weakest business communities in the league in the area probably means that our corporate support is low too , so even if the family wanted to spend more they may be limited . Others say that the money is there but not going for Shane Long makes me wonder , perfect player for our system, outmuscled by Hull who have just come up and the lad wanted to stay in the midlands makes me think that perhaps it's very tough for us financially at the moment , problem is the game is run on money so the less you invest the lower you risk your Income being next season in terms of season tickets etc, very difficult and I don't think FFP will help small clubs like us even though Coates voted for it .
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 26, 2014 10:50:12 GMT
Bayern just tell me what the gamble is you perceive because its different than the one I see. Nothing has changed other than we have Odemwinge and they have Jones. Tell me what massive risk we have taken. Looks like a free bet to me! With the added bonus that we have a player that might actually be motivated to play and might have some re-sale value in the summer. Good business in my opinion.
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Post by MrMagic on Jan 26, 2014 10:52:06 GMT
,hughes is digging his own grave his loans and signings have been a joke,the question is will he jump ship before he takes us down So assaidi Ireland Arnie Pieters Are all shit then? Bangs head very hard against wall..................
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Post by metalhead on Jan 26, 2014 10:53:01 GMT
So Hughes has taken an educated gamble as well as the club in bringing in Odemwinge for Jones. I can't believe the posts I'm reading on this site from so called Stoke fans. What a welcome for any player when he really does need welcoming and given our encouragement. I though the gamble is pretty obvious. Jones was deadwood in the squad and offered us only a duplication of what we have in Crouch. Odemwinge has pace and has had a previously good scoring record. Who would I prefer to have until the end of this season? There is only one answer. We now have more options up front. It makes us better! I would still hope that we will sign another good striker before the window closes because I think we will have received a small amount of money too with this deal. Odemwinge will be busting a gut to get into the Nigeria team. Jones offered us little. Do you lot think it's not going to be difficult enough this season? The last thing we need in this difficult time is its fan base and the club being torn apart with all these stupid comments. Lost me at 'so called Stoke fans'. Can't be doing with dickheads on this board who think they're ' better' fans than others. Rightly or wrongly, we're allowed judge the actions of Stoke players and our manager on this board... it's our forum after all. I personally think Odemwingie is a major risk, and that is exactly what I've said in the other thread mate. That doesn't make me a shit supporter, or a worse supporter than you, that just makes me someone who is worried about our future and feels that Odemwingie isn't the right man for the job. I think the way he's conducted himself in the past is part of the reason he found it tough to find anything better than Cardiff... so you might call it a gamble, but I call it taking a risk, and a big one at that. With all due respect, it's dangerous at this time of the season to sign a player who might disrupt harmony at the club... it's done now and I will support him just like everyone else, but for now, I'm allowed to give my opinion.
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Post by You want salad on kebab boss? on Jan 26, 2014 10:57:52 GMT
[/quote] Writing players off, management decisions being slated and questioning the owners such as why not getting rid of the manager / transfer strategy has been debated on here for years it's nowt new . But a message board is about opinions positive or negative about what's going on is what makes it interesting. If we all agreed it would be boring![/quote] Obviously, but some of the negative shit posted on here is comical, the board is spoilt by negative so called supporters !
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 26, 2014 11:09:38 GMT
The most positive thing I can say at the moment is that this signing won't particularly weaken the squad given who he's replacing. The negative side of me thinks this signing shows where we're really at with our budget and signing players like this signals the end of the recent good times. For all the time TP was here, I don't recall being quite so underwhelmed.
It just feels like we've swapped a carrot for a parsnip.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 26, 2014 11:15:21 GMT
Lets see how Odemwingie performs before we start slagging him off shall we.
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Post by kingstokie on Jan 26, 2014 11:26:38 GMT
I was disappointed at first, but after sleeping on it I've decided that it isn't the worst business we've done. Having just Crouch and Jones as options up front left us completely one dimensional. Now we've replaced the lazier player who's been embarrassing this club for ages with his antics with that pigs head and this strike, with someone who can offer us something different. Hopefully we'll be seeing him on the right, though. I'd have Guidetti up front for now. He seems our best option at the moment. Dropping walters for a player who can actually play on the wing, and surely can't be any slower despite his age! The difference being Odemwingie can actually find the net. He'd get a good number for us if he can get into the positions Walters usually does, but more often than not either hits it straight at the keeper or is just a whisker away from making contact. Not a long term solution, but we were never going to manage getting one in January for a fair price. Assaidi - Guidetti - Odemwingie. Assaidi - Crouch/Odemwingie - Walters
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