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Post by sjohank on Jan 25, 2014 22:45:47 GMT
Theres no doubt he'll make a bigger impact than jones. And just like Walters, PO can also be used on the wing. He's definitely a Walters upgrade too. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 25, 2014 22:47:01 GMT
Because it's a massive "if". He's an aging player, who was totally useless at his last club. And he relies pace, how many 32/33 year old footballer keep their pace? Lets not beat about the bush here, it's a massive gamble and one Cardiff on the face of it get the better of. Buying virtually any player is a gamble, swapping one for someone who wasn't interested in us and was on high wages isn't. If it wasn't for his QPR drive a while back people would be saying its a an ok deal I couldn't give a shit about that tbh. He's a player on the wane and it will just end with us going round in a vicous circle of either old or useless deadwood. Because it's a massive "if". He's an aging player, who was totally useless at his last club. And he relies pace, how many 32/33 year old footballer keep their pace? Lets not beat about the bush here, it's a massive gamble and one Cardiff on the face of it get the better of. But as you say he leaves for nothing in 6 months Swap deal for a player that will score goals and looked interested is a good move by the club What's the point in keeping KJ for 6 months then leaves for nothing picking his £40k up by doing SFA Can't you see any positives at all???? It doesn't have to be all doom and gloom you know............. Yeah great, we clear the decks and aren't lumbered with an aging forward. He will score goals? It's a given? The one positive I see is that it could mean an end to Walters but then we're still lumbered with an aging forward who relies on pace on biggish wages. I'd rather we had neither KJ or Odemwingie. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 22:51:22 GMT
It's a utter disgrace that the best our scouting team can find after "scouring the world " is a failed cardiff reserve , 32 years old and we have traded a proven 28 centre forward for him .
It's also spineless to be openly buying for the championship and leaving the manager out to dry heads need to roll , truth needs telling and as I sad earlier don't be surprised if Hughes agent is telling him to walk especially if a big player leaves in the next week as for sure none of Amy calibre are coming in as I said 10 days ago their is no money despite the noises which is entirely possible imagine what they are thinking tonight .
On a separate note what price jones to score the winner at Cardiff jerome to score the winner at fulham on the last day that sends us down and Pulis to be the Stoke manager in august in the championship with assadi , arnie , odemwinge Ireland all gone . you heard it hear first
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Post by padders01 on Jan 25, 2014 22:51:24 GMT
Buying virtually any player is a gamble, swapping one for someone who wasn't interested in us and was on high wages isn't. If it wasn't for his QPR drive a while back people would be saying its a an ok deal I couldn't give a shit about that tbh. He's a player on the wane and it will just end with us going round in a vicous circle of either old or useless deadwood. But as you say he leaves for nothing in 6 months Swap deal for a player that will score goals and looked interested is a good move by the club What's the point in keeping KJ for 6 months then leaves for nothing picking his £40k up by doing SFA Can't you see any positives at all???? It doesn't have to be all doom and gloom you know............. Yeah great, we clear the decks and aren't lumbered with an aging forward. He will score goals? It's a given? The one positive I see is that it could mean an end to Walters but then we're still lumbered with an aging forward who relies on pace on biggish wages. I'd rather we had neither KJ or Odemwingie. We had neither? So two strikers at the club? Crouch and a completely untested striker at PL level. Wow that would be just great wouldn't it? Now this board would be even more melt down if that happened (then again looking at it tonight it probably wouldn't) |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 25, 2014 22:53:00 GMT
I couldn't give a shit about that tbh. He's a player on the wane and it will just end with us going round in a vicous circle of either old or useless deadwood. Yeah great, we clear the decks and aren't lumbered with an aging forward. He will score goals? It's a given? The one positive I see is that it could mean an end to Walters but then we're still lumbered with an aging forward who relies on pace on biggish wages. I'd rather we had neither KJ or Odemwingie. We had neither? So two strikers at the club? Crouch and a completely untested striker at PL level. Wow that would be just great wouldn't it? Now this board would be even more melt down if that happened (then again looking at it tonight it probably wouldn't) Or we could sign another? God forbid. Or I'd prefer Jerome back. |
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Post by padders01 on Jan 25, 2014 22:53:32 GMT
It's a utter disgrace that the best our scouting team can find after "scouring the world " is a failed cardiff reserve , 32 years old and we have traded a proven 28 centre forward for him . It's also spineless to be openly buying for the championship and leaving the manager out to dry heads need to roll , truth needs telling and as I sad earlier don't be surprised if Hughes agent is telling him to walk especially if a big player leaves in the next week as for sure none of Amy calibre are coming in as I said 10 days ago their is no money despite the noises which is entirely possible imagine what they are thinking tonight . On a separate note what price jones to score the winner at Cardiff jerome to score the winner at fulham on the last day that sends us down and Pulis to be the Stoke manager in august in the championship with assadi , arnie , odemwinge Ireland all gone . you heard it hear first Fuck me, is your life as depressing as this pile of shit post? And KJ proven striker? Give it a rest, he hasn't been arsed for 18 months. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 25, 2014 22:54:49 GMT
Bayern just tell me what the gamble is you perceive because its different than the one I see. Nothing has changed other than we have Odemwinge and they have Jones. Tell me what massive risk we have taken. Looks like a free bet to me! We have an aging player contracted to the club when we don't need him. And he could be right shit. And KJ could be right good for them. I'd rather we either got money for KJ or let him rot. It's mainly having a player on a longer contract I don't like, one that's 3 years older and not getting any better. |
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Post by padders01 on Jan 25, 2014 22:55:04 GMT
We had neither? So two strikers at the club? Crouch and a completely untested striker at PL level. Wow that would be just great wouldn't it? Now this board would be even more melt down if that happened (then again looking at it tonight it probably wouldn't) Or we could sign another? God forbid. Or I'd prefer Jerome back. Yeah sign another striker, would be perfect but doesn't look like it's going to happen. |
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Post by padders01 on Jan 25, 2014 22:57:00 GMT
Bayern just tell me what the gamble is you perceive because its different than the one I see. Nothing has changed other than we have Odemwinge and they have Jones. Tell me what massive risk we have taken. Looks like a free bet to me! We have an aging player contracted to the club when we don't need him. And he could be right shit. And KJ could be right good for them. I'd rather we either got money for KJ or let him rot. It's mainly having a player on a longer contract I don't like, one that's 3 years older and not getting any better. But you have NO proof that he won't make a positive impart do you? You would rather see the negative straight away |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 25, 2014 22:59:52 GMT
We have an aging player contracted to the club when we don't need him. And he could be right shit. And KJ could be right good for them. I'd rather we either got money for KJ or let him rot. It's mainly having a player on a longer contract I don't like, one that's 3 years older and not getting any better. But you have NO proof that he won't make a positive impart do you? You would rather see the negative straight away Well yeah because if he is shit I won't be disappointed because I expect it, if he's good it'll be even better. I can't lose!  |
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Post by sjohank on Jan 25, 2014 23:00:50 GMT
It's a utter disgrace that the best our scouting team can find after "scouring the world " is a failed cardiff reserve , 32 years old and we have traded a proven 28 centre forward for him . It's also spineless to be openly buying for the championship and leaving the manager out to dry heads need to roll , truth needs telling and as I sad earlier don't be surprised if Hughes agent is telling him to walk especially if a big player leaves in the next week as for sure none of Amy calibre are coming in as I said 10 days ago their is no money despite the noises which is entirely possible imagine what they are thinking tonight . On a separate note what price jones to score the winner at Cardiff jerome to score the winner at fulham on the last day that sends us down and Pulis to be the Stoke manager in august in the championship with assadi , arnie , odemwinge Ireland all gone . you heard it hear first Benjamin "Drama Queen" Biscuit. Cool down mate |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 23:01:34 GMT
Not to mention another poor egg in the dressing room arnie and Ireland and now qpr gates pete hardly the kind of stuff battles are won by
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Post by padders01 on Jan 25, 2014 23:02:37 GMT
I will love it, just love it when Peter Odemwingie scores the goals to keep us in the Premier League this season.
Try, just for once to see the positives and you might just enjoy life a little bit more.
Give me Peter Odemwingie than a half arsed Kenwyne Jones any day of the week.
GOOOAAARRRRRNNN Peter, prove these negative boring Stoke favs wrong........
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 25, 2014 23:03:38 GMT
Ah yes because we'll be gutted if he scores loads of goals!  |
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 25, 2014 23:04:10 GMT
So Hughes has taken an educated gamble as well as the club in bringing in Odemwinge for Jones. I can't believe the posts I'm reading on this site from so called Stoke fans. What a welcome for any player when he really does need welcoming and given our encouragement. I though the gamble is pretty obvious. Jones was deadwood in the squad and offered us only a duplication of what we have in Crouch. Odemwinge has pace and has had a previously good scoring record. Who would I prefer to have until the end of this season? There is only one answer. We now have more options up front. It makes us better! I would still hope that we will sign another good striker before the window closes because I think we will have received a small amount of money too with this deal. Odemwinge will be busting a gut to get into the Nigeria team. Jones offered us little. Do you lot think it's not going to be difficult enough this season? The last thing we need in this difficult time is its fan base and the club being torn apart with all these stupid comments. I would say its more the fact of the possibility of him being here for 18 months. 6 month deal until the end of the season, would of been okay, any longer I don't see the point. It only alludes to desperation, & proves our transfer policy is an absolute shambles. The point is if he fails Stoke can trade him, or sell him, or loan him to Championship next season, If he is a success then Stoke would have an asset worth something at the end of the season instead of a free agent. |
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Post by padders01 on Jan 25, 2014 23:05:48 GMT
Not to mention another poor egg in the dressing room arnie and Ireland and now qpr gates pete hardly the kind of stuff battles are won by Oh because Jones was a real great person to have around the dressing room. Shawcross: Kenwyne are you playing in the match tomorrow? Jones: Not sure yet Skip, I'll see if my agent has spoken to any clubs when I get home. I'll text the gaffer in the morning and let him know if I can be bothered to play after I've picked my £40K wages up first. |
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Post by padders01 on Jan 25, 2014 23:06:56 GMT
Oh would you negative bastards prefer to be linked with Davig Ngog?
Now he is shit
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 25, 2014 23:07:21 GMT
I never thought that the Club would be spending vast fortunes on one player, smashing the wage ceiling, in this or any other window any time soon.
I like how we've started to be more creative with signings, and a bit more frugal.
Kicking against the transfer cash lunacy.
I like the younger 'potential' signings from abroad, and the way the ins and outs of loans have been handled so far.
The chance for Ness and Shea to prove their worth is great.
To pull off a swap deal is quite a coup. You rarely hear of them. Well done.
If the Agudelo work permit was a cock up, it's forgiven, he's raw and hanging our expectations on him so soon may have been counter productive.
Coates' wish to bring Academy lads through, and targets for that is encouraging. At least one every season.
I was wondering whether they might have taken a punt on a 'pay to play' type player {like the Owen deal}, someone eager to shine in the Prem before the WC.
Maybe the Peter Odemwingie deal is in effect it. {My dreams of 10 game deal for Gyan is over.}
I like the new direction, but there'll inevitably be a few fuck ups along the way, it's a risky business.
If we can take the best of the Villa and Southampton approaches, mixed in with some experience in crucial areas I'll be happy with that.
If we can hold on to Begovic, Shawcross, Huth, N'Zonzi, Crouch and Adam, it'll be as good as any signing for me.
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Post by andystokey on Jan 25, 2014 23:08:05 GMT
Its pretty obvious that regardless of the footballing side or the money KJ has been a miserable bollocks around the place for months.
Just from a workplace happiness point of view it was time to get rid. Was never going to sign a new contract and was waiting for end of season.
He was unsellable, some sort of swap was all we had on the table.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 23:14:30 GMT
I never thought that the Club would be spending vast fortunes on one player, smashing the wage ceiling, in this or any other window any time soon. I like how we've started to be more creative with signings, and a bit more frugal. Kicking against the transfer cash lunacy. I like the younger 'potential' signings from abroad, and the way the ins and outs of loans have been handled so far. The chance for Ness and Shea to prove their worth is great. To pull off a swap deal is quite a coup. You rarely hear of them. Well done. If the Agudelo work permit was a cock up, it's forgiven, he's raw and hanging our expectations on him so soon may have been counter productive. Coates' wish to bring Academy lads through, and targets for that is encouraging. At least one every season. I was wondering whether they might have taken a punt on a 'pay to play' type player {like the Owen deal}, someone eager to shine in the Prem before the WC. Maybe the Peter Odemwingie deal is in effect it. {My dreams of 10 game deal for Gyan is over.} I like the new direction, but there'll inevitably be a few fuck ups along the way, it's a risky business. If we can take the best of the Villa and Southampton approaches, mixed in with some experience in crucial areas I'll be happy with that. If we can hold on to Begovic, Shawcross, Huth, N'Zonzi, Crouch and Adam, it'll be as good as any signing for me. Pulling of a swap with a player who is three years older is not a 'coup'. The only way to look at the signing of Odemwingie is that he is a 'stocking filler'. He will be our 'super sub'....our first reserve. It suggests that Crouch and even Walters could be going too , to make room for two more strikers (or one at least) |
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Post by foster on Jan 25, 2014 23:16:26 GMT
Because it's a massive "if". He's an aging player, who was totally useless at his last club. And he relies pace, how many 32/33 year old footballer keep their pace? Lets not beat about the bush here, it's a massive gamble and one Cardiff on the face of it get the better of. I like you as a poster Bayern, but with all due respect, please stop moaning like whiny little bitch  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 25, 2014 23:20:50 GMT
Because it's a massive "if". He's an aging player, who was totally useless at his last club. And he relies pace, how many 32/33 year old footballer keep their pace? Lets not beat about the bush here, it's a massive gamble and one Cardiff on the face of it get the better of. I like you as a poster Bayern, but with all due respect, please stop moaning like whiny little bitch Ah but it's fun, especially when the same old stuff old is being said, they need to be told!  |
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 25, 2014 23:21:50 GMT
It's a utter disgrace that the best our scouting team can find after "scouring the world " is a failed cardiff reserve , 32 years old and we have traded a proven 28 centre forward for him . It's also spineless to be openly buying for the championship and leaving the manager out to dry heads need to roll , truth needs telling and as I sad earlier don't be surprised if Hughes agent is telling him to walk especially if a big player leaves in the next week as for sure none of Amy calibre are coming in as I said 10 days ago their is no money despite the noises which is entirely possible imagine what they are thinking tonight . On a separate note what price jones to score the winner at Cardiff jerome to score the winner at fulham on the last day that sends us down and Pulis to be the Stoke manager in august in the championship with assadi , arnie , odemwinge Ireland all gone . you heard it hear first I'm guessing you're a Rich Tea. I can't think of any other biscuit quite as depressing as your posts. |
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Post by RAF on Jan 25, 2014 23:22:39 GMT
The way I see it is this.
I'm not over the moon with Odemwingie, but I would rather have a player who actually wants to be here rather than one that doesn't.
The January window is always the toughest, anyone with half a footballing brain knows that.
Getting Kenwyne and his wages off the book is a bonus. We wont be paying Odemwingie anything like what Jones was on imho.
What's the worst that can happen?
Odemwingie doesn't make much of an impact?
Neither did the 8 million pound Palacios and he still isn't.
H
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 23:23:28 GMT
So if this is the end to our business, all you 'can't believe what I'm reading!!!!' boys will be perfectly satisfied I take it?
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Post by padders01 on Jan 25, 2014 23:23:52 GMT
The way I see it is this. I'm not over the moon with Odemwingie, but I would rather have a player who actually wants to be here rather than one that doesn't. The January window is always the toughest, anyone with half a footballing brain knows that. Getting Kenwyne and his wages off the book is a bonus. We wont be paying Odemwingie anything like what Jones was on imho. What's the worst that can happen? Odemwingie doesn't make much of an impact? Neither did the 8 million pound Palacios and he still isn't. H Ooooh nice positive post. Agree with all of it. |
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Post by andystokey on Jan 25, 2014 23:26:16 GMT
So if this is the end to our business, all you 'can't believe what I'm reading!!!!' boys will be perfectly satisfied I take it? I have to believe this was a total opportunist departure. Not really planned but not easy to turn down given the current circumstances. |
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Post by siggy on Jan 25, 2014 23:26:29 GMT
I suspect FFP might have a hand in here too, Presumably we have swapped someone out of contract in 6 months and on high wages for someone with a value on less per week.
If I thought we were going to miss the six goals Jones would score between now and the end of the season I'd be worried but PO has more chance of getting them against W Brom than jones has over eight games
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 23:28:01 GMT
Dream on 2 more strikers crouch Walters a totally unproven unfit guidetti and qpr gate pete is our second half forward selection
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Post by padders01 on Jan 25, 2014 23:28:20 GMT
So if this is the end to our business, all you 'can't believe what I'm reading!!!!' boys will be perfectly satisfied I take it? No but it's better than it was 24 hours ago surely? Getting KJ off the books is great business for the club and getting a replacement in who can score goals at this level is surely a postitive????? |
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