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Post by Pedropotter on Jul 11, 2012 13:55:40 GMT
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Post by miltonstokie on Jul 11, 2012 14:05:44 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 11, 2012 14:17:54 GMT
How is it actually possible for a collection of Manchester United supporters to have a clue what they're talking about? It's the first sensible commentary on the incident from opposition supporters that I've read. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 14:22:37 GMT
to be fair Foster you've missed some important points in that article; in the article it actually does state that Coleman is not necessarily asking for Ramsey's "Acceptance" (presumably he means that he would consult Ramsey to see if it was even possible they could play together rather than be bezzie mates) and it isn't a case of being weak willed as a manager at all. if Coleman talks to Ramsey and says "I appreciate you won't be buddies but is it possible for you to even play on the same team as him" and Ramsey says no then it would be daft for a manager to pick a player who he knows will cause upset and disruption in the rest of the squad and he would always understandably take Ramsey's side on that as he is Captain and (although i hate saying this) quite simply one of the best players they have. in short, it's not being weak willed at all, it's actually him doing his job! if he completely ignored it and just put Ryan in the side regardless then THAT would be being a weak willed manager who doesn't have the sense to even address the issue. as i said, the simple fact of him sounding out Ramsey is exactly what he should do given that Ramsey has been very public about the fact the refuses to accept Ryan's apology so the whole issue has been created by Ramsey rather than Coleman. it is daft though to have talked about publically, i do agree with that Mick, at the end of the day, Coleman is making this Ramseys decision. Taking a decision on Ryan himself and then telling Ramsey in private that he's going to become part of the team is one thing. Waiting to make the decision based on Ramseys feedback, is another. Your arguments are valid, but if you have two great players then you don't sacrifice one of them just because they don't get along. Colemans job as manager is to pick the best players available and get them playing together. Without letting personal grudges get in the way. So in summary, I thought my previous post was spot on.  i agree that's the way it SHOULD work foster (so i'm with you on that and also that it should never have been something that Coleman went public with) but look at Ferdinand/Terry at the Euros, Terry/Bridge at Chelsea (bit of a common denominator there actually ;D ); situations where players made it clear that playing together just wouldn't be an option (although Rio never came out and said it his twitter comments if nothing else made it bloody obvious what he thought of Scumbag Terry)......in practice they should be professionals and just get on with it whilst on the pitch agreed, but in reality they are also human beings and there will always be reasons why people find it hard to work with someone else and that is all Coleman appeared to want to check out with Ramsey.Coleman made it clear that he was not asking for Ramsey's acceptance so was merely testing the water IN CASE Ryan was an option and that is actually quite a sensible thing to do.by doing that then if Ramsey said "Sorry boss but there's just no way i could be on a pitch with him" then Ryan wouldn't get picked so as not to upset the squad spirit and Ramsey would have looked a right dick in the media (that way we're all happy ) Coleman's mistake was telling all of that to the media BEFOREHAND though because now it's him that looks a prize knob ;D anyway who cares now, Ryan has seen sense and told the inbreds to do one (am i going to get banned for racism now???) |
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 11, 2012 14:30:39 GMT
How is it actually possible for a collection of Manchester United supporters to have a clue what they're talking about? It's the first sensible commentary on the incident from opposition supporters that I've read. I say that, but then an Arsenal supporter turns up and, in typical Wenger style, he appears to have not seen the incident. |
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 11, 2012 14:33:41 GMT
All things considered, Coleman would be stupid not to have a word with Ramsey about it first if he wants to call Ryan up.
He'd be a phenomenal fuckwit to tell the media that's what he was going to do.
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Post by swampmongrel on Jul 11, 2012 14:35:10 GMT
How is it actually possible for a collection of Manchester United supporters to have a clue what they're talking about? It's the first sensible commentary on the incident from opposition supporters that I've read. I say that, but then an Arsenal supporter turns up and, in typical Wenger style, he appears to have not seen the incident. Are you on about the chap who's talking about a 'studs up' challenge? ;D The silly twat. |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 11, 2012 14:42:22 GMT
I say that, but then an Arsenal supporter turns up and, in typical Wenger style, he appears to have not seen the incident. Are you on about the chap who's talking about a 'studs up' challenge? ;D The silly twat. Dived in, studs up - Christ, this is what I have to put up with down here. The number of times I've shown those photos to pissed Arse fans in a daft pub argument. |
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Post by scfctilidie on Jul 11, 2012 15:07:10 GMT
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Post by dime on Jul 11, 2012 15:16:03 GMT
Are you on about the chap who's talking about a 'studs up' challenge? ;D The silly twat. Dived in, studs up - Christ, this is what I have to put up with down here. The number of times I've shown those photos to pissed Arse fans in a daft pub argument. The Arse fans on there are frankly ridiculous, only a complete fuckwit would try to falsify events that are caught from numerous angles on clear video. ;D |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 11, 2012 15:24:49 GMT
Dived in, studs up - Christ, this is what I have to put up with down here. The number of times I've shown those photos to pissed Arse fans in a daft pub argument. The Arse fans on there are frankly ridiculous, only a complete fuckwit would try to falsify events that are caught from numerous angles on clear video. ;D The trouble is very few have seen it since, they just lump it in with the eduardo incident - which was a much worse 'tackle'. They still refuse to see it after evidence. They are all like Stokelad or Tazi but for Arseanal (sorry gents) |
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Post by nott1 on Jul 11, 2012 15:35:51 GMT
At the end of the day the big question is;- why is this little prat captain of his country? They must be very hard up for inspirational figures in Wales to appoint this charmless numpty in the first place.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 11, 2012 15:41:44 GMT
The Arse fans on there are frankly ridiculous, only a complete fuckwit would try to falsify events that are caught from numerous angles on clear video. ;D The trouble is very few have seen it since, they just lump it in with the eduardo incident - which was a much worse 'tackle'. They still refuse to see it after evidence. They are all like Stokelad or Tazi but for Arseanal (sorry gents) ;D Was just going to post exactly the same thing.  |
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Post by tazi on Jul 11, 2012 15:44:45 GMT
Fcuk off...
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 11, 2012 15:49:46 GMT
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Post by tazi on Jul 11, 2012 16:09:05 GMT
;D 
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Post by stokelad84 on Jul 11, 2012 16:15:33 GMT
+1 |
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Post by droz on Jul 11, 2012 16:26:15 GMT
Just about the most ludicrous thing I've ever read. Even if I were eligible for Brazil and the manager was asking the players if I should play there would just be no discussion.
How weak does it make Coleman sound?
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Post by bignickhowes on Jul 11, 2012 17:45:49 GMT
what a joke, letting a young lad basically pick your team
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 11, 2012 18:18:14 GMT
Nothing surprising there.
That's wh Coleman is managing Wales.
He's a knob of the highest order and is incapable of independent thought.
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Post by Janet in ST5 on Jul 11, 2012 18:19:48 GMT
Precisely. Coleman is the manager allegedly. I'd tell him to go fuck himself with bells on! What a load of bollocks! |
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Post by werrington on Jul 11, 2012 18:23:56 GMT
This has now put Ramsey in a very very difficult position tbh?
He has never opened his mouth about the incident but Coleman has now made it very awkward for him
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Post by conzdad on Jul 11, 2012 18:44:32 GMT
Always said that Ramsey's leg was already broken before Ryan made contact,anybody could say that after seeing the pictures.As for Ramsey not replying to Ryan makes him look a complete tit.And I'm glad Ryan has chosen to still try and make it to the England team,shows the lad still has ambition and will give it his all every game which obviously is good news for Stoke.
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Post by jbstokie on Jul 11, 2012 18:46:19 GMT
This has now put Ramsey in a very very difficult position tbh? He has never opened his mouth about the incident but Coleman has now made it very awkward for him If he says he doesn't mind Ryan in the same squad as him he's going against all of Wenger's Bullshit. But if he says he doesn't want him in the squad the rest of football will say he's being petty and he will 10X the level of abuse he has previously had(no more than any other Arsenal player in the past). |
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Post by werrington on Jul 11, 2012 18:47:11 GMT
Always said that Ramsey's leg was already broken before Ryan made contact,anybody could say that after seeing the pictures.As for Ramsey not replying to Ryan makes him look a complete tit.And I'm glad Ryan has chosen to still try and make it to the England team,shows the lad still has ambition and will give it his all every game which obviously is good news for Stoke. Unfortunately sooner or later Shawcross will leave SCFC for a bigger club. When that happens he will be straight into the England set up so he will do well to "sit tight" Very sad but very true |
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Post by werrington on Jul 11, 2012 18:49:26 GMT
This has now put Ramsey in a very very difficult position tbh? He has never opened his mouth about the incident but Coleman has now made it very awkward for him If he says he doesn't mind Ryan in the same squad as him he's going against all of Wenger's Bullshit. But if he says he doesn't want him in the squad the rest of football will say he's being petty and he will 10X the level of abuse he has previously had(no more than any other Arsenal player in the past). Like i said mate......Ramsey has all of a sudden been put on the spot and i for one am very pleased |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 18:51:50 GMT
My thoughts that I've shared elsewhere on the www. Thoughts are appreciated.
In Chris Coleman’s latest interview with the Press he spoke of his interest in recruiting Ryan Shawcross to the Wales Squad for the upcoming World Cup Campaign. Having previously turned down the chance to represent Wales when Gary Speed was in charge, you’d assume Coleman would know he’d have a battle on his hands to turn Ryan’s head. When he was pondering how best to persuade the young Stoke City centre half to accept the call, I wonder at what point he decided the best option was to overtly undermine the player in the media?
To suggest, publicly, that he would need Ramsey’s approval before speaking to Shawcross smacks of utterly dire man management. What is he expecting to happen next? “Hi Ryan, I’ve spoken to Ramsey and he’s said he’s ok with it, so what do you think, would you be interested in playing forWales?”. I strongly suspect Ryan will not speak out publicly in response to this latest move by Coleman but I ardently hope he tells him to shove his pleas where the sun don’t shine.
Ryan Shawcross does not have a case to answer and this whole incident should have been put to bed a long, long time ago. I strongly believe there was absolutely no intent on his behalf on that fateful day. You could see from his immediate reaction what his feelings were. Since that day he has made attempts to apologise to Ramsey and even visit him in hospital during his recovery; all of which were denied by Ramsey.
You can’t criticise the Arsenal midfielder for these latest comments made by Coleman, but he could have done a whole lot more in the past to put this issue to bed. He could have accepted the apology from Shawcross, shook his hand and state publicly that the issue is sorted and its time to move on.
How many players in the history of football have broken their leg as the result of an innocuous challenge? Football, the sport we all love and worship, is a contact sport. Whether you are a Premier League Pro earning £80,000 a week or a Sunday league player playing for the love of the sport, you know when you cross that white line you run the risk of injury. The only way to completely eradicate injuries from the game is to make it non-contact and all of a sudden we’ve lost the game we fell in love with in the first place.
Thankfully, Aaron Ramsey has gone on to fully recover from his injury and he has his full career ahead of him, for both club and country. It’s about time he acted like a real man and faced up to this issue. He isn’t the first player to have suffered a horrific leg break and he won’t be the last.
In 2008, whilst on loan from Sunderland, Rory Delap suffered a similar double leg break as a result of a 50/50 challenge. In the immediate aftermath Tony Pulis said “Two people have just gone in for a challenge. Elliott is a seasoned pro and would know Rory, so I’m sure the last thing he would want to do is break his leg.”
Delap himself said “I know Robbie really well and I know that he goes in hard, hard but fair. He just went in stronger than me and that is what you should do. I certainly don’t hold any grudge against Robbie and I have told him that.”
The matter was immediately laid to rest. Elliot was allowed to get on with his career and Stoke stood by Delap through his rehabilitation and the rest, as they say, is history.
The fact that over 2 years down the line we are still taking about this issue tells you everything you need to know about Ramsey’s and Arsenal’s handling of the incident.
As for Chris Coleman and his plea to Ryan Shawcross, I sincerely hope he isn’t holding his breath awaiting a positive answer…….he could be waiting a long, long time.
Trudemostue1914.
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Post by harrysburrow on Jul 11, 2012 19:00:53 GMT
The whole thing beggars belief.
1. Why would Coleman take that route.
2. Why would he make it public knowledge?
3. Where can it possibly go from here? If Ryan got selected, he would now be wondering if it was in some way on Ramsey's say so and vice versa? I don't really see how anyone with any self respect can do anything else but tell him to stick it?
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 11, 2012 19:04:05 GMT
My thoughts that I've shared elsewhere on the www. Thoughts are appreciated.In Chris Coleman’s latest interview with the Press he spoke of his interest in recruiting Ryan Shawcross to the Wales Squad for the upcoming World Cup Campaign. Having previously turned down the chance to represent Wales when Gary Speed was in charge, you’d assume Coleman would know he’d have a battle on his hands to turn Ryan’s head. When he was pondering how best to persuade the young Stoke City centre half to accept the call, I wonder at what point he decided the best option was to overtly undermine the player in the media? To suggest, publicly, that he would need Ramsey’s approval before speaking to Shawcross smacks of utterly dire man management. What is he expecting to happen next? “Hi Ryan, I’ve spoken to Ramsey and he’s said he’s ok with it, so what do you think, would you be interested in playing forWales?”. I strongly suspect Ryan will not speak out publicly in response to this latest move by Coleman but I ardently hope he tells him to shove his pleas where the sun don’t shine. Ryan Shawcross does not have a case to answer and this whole incident should have been put to bed a long, long time ago. I strongly believe there was absolutely no intent on his behalf on that fateful day. You could see from his immediate reaction what his feelings were. Since that day he has made attempts to apologise to Ramsey and even visit him in hospital during his recovery; all of which were denied by Ramsey. You can’t criticise the Arsenal midfielder for these latest comments made by Coleman, but he could have done a whole lot more in the past to put this issue to bed. He could have accepted the apology from Shawcross, shook his hand and state publicly that the issue is sorted and its time to move on. How many players in the history of football have broken their leg as the result of an innocuous challenge? Football, the sport we all love and worship, is a contact sport. Whether you are a Premier League Pro earning £80,000 a week or a Sunday league player playing for the love of the sport, you know when you cross that white line you run the risk of injury. The only way to completely eradicate injuries from the game is to make it non-contact and all of a sudden we’ve lost the game we fell in love with in the first place. Thankfully, Aaron Ramsey has gone on to fully recover from his injury and he has his full career ahead of him, for both club and country. It’s about time he acted like a real man and faced up to this issue. He isn’t the first player to have suffered a horrific leg break and he won’t be the last. In 2008, whilst on loan from Sunderland, Rory Delap suffered a similar double leg break as a result of a 50/50 challenge. In the immediate aftermath Tony Pulis said “Two people have just gone in for a challenge. Elliott is a seasoned pro and would know Rory, so I’m sure the last thing he would want to do is break his leg.” Delap himself said “I know Robbie really well and I know that he goes in hard, hard but fair. He just went in stronger than me and that is what you should do. I certainly don’t hold any grudge against Robbie and I have told him that.” The matter was immediately laid to rest. Elliot was allowed to get on with his career and Stoke stood by Delap through his rehabilitation and the rest, as they say, is history. The fact that over 2 years down the line we are still taking about this issue tells you everything you need to know about Ramsey’s and Arsenal’s handling of the incident. As for Chris Coleman and his plea to Ryan Shawcross, I sincerely hope he isn’t holding his breath awaiting a positive answer…….he could be waiting a long, long time. Trudemostue1914. You wrote exactly the same thing, word for word, as WhyDelilah? ??? |
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Post by tazi on Jul 11, 2012 19:04:42 GMT
Ryan will never play for Wales.
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