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Post by Mr Wheeze on Jul 11, 2012 9:59:59 GMT
Wales can get fucked, Coleman can get fucked and Ramsey can get fucked.
If your reading this Ryan, then my advice is to tell them to get fucked!
Its a fucking insult to Ryan and they need to get fucked.
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Post by mrred on Jul 11, 2012 10:08:06 GMT
Wales can get fucked, Coleman can get fucked and Ramsey can get fucked. If your reading this Ryan, then my advice is to tell them to get fucked! Its a fucking insult to Ryan and they need to get fucked. So what is it you're trying to say exactally?  |
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Post by Mr Wheeze on Jul 11, 2012 10:10:56 GMT
Wales can get fucked, Coleman can get fucked and Ramsey can get fucked. If your reading this Ryan, then my advice is to tell them to get fucked! Its a fucking insult to Ryan and they need to get fucked. So what is it you're trying to say exactally? Get fucked....  |
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Post by superjonnywalters on Jul 11, 2012 10:11:24 GMT
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Post by stokelad84 on Jul 11, 2012 10:14:55 GMT
WD, you should send Ryan a message on twitter. Saying Ramsey is a daft cunt  |
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Post by superjonnywalters on Jul 11, 2012 10:17:17 GMT
WD, you should send Ryan a message on twitter. Saying Ramsey is a daft cunt I've sent him a msg mate: - Tony Pulis þ@SirTonyPulis @ryanshawy - I hope you tell Coleman to go f**k himself after this shambles www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18786041 |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 11, 2012 10:18:46 GMT
Coleman is wise to talk to Ramsey, but very unwise to make it public. The article, however, is utter wank in every way.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jul 11, 2012 10:22:08 GMT
Nice one WD |
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Post by kitkatkev on Jul 11, 2012 10:24:05 GMT
its on SSN now
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Post by Foster on Jul 11, 2012 10:24:39 GMT
How is this Ramseys fault by the way?
Colemans the weak willed manager.
Though I agree that if his discussion with Ramsey results in Ryan not getting called up then Ramsey is also a total cuntflap.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 11, 2012 10:26:37 GMT
This is good to be honest. We might finally get another 'look' at the tackle in the media with less of the hysteria. Probably the best thing that could happen for Ryan. |
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Post by Pedropotter on Jul 11, 2012 10:28:39 GMT
How is this Ramseys fault by the way? Colemans the weak willed manager. Though I agree that if his discussion with Ramsey results in Ryan not getting called up then Ramsey is also a total cuntflap. Its Ramseys fault because he was such a classless twat after the accident. If he had accepted Ryans apology and seen the tackle for what it was it would be all but forgotten by now. |
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Post by Foster on Jul 11, 2012 10:29:40 GMT
How is this Ramseys fault by the way? Colemans the weak willed manager. Though I agree that if his discussion with Ramsey results in Ryan not getting called up then Ramsey is also a total cuntflap. Its Ramseys fault because he was such a classless twat after the accident. If he had accepted Ryans apology and seen the tackle for what it was it would be all but forgotten by now. Even so, it's not his fault that Coleman's publicly stated that he's going to ask him if Ryans allowed to play for Wales or not. |
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Post by Pedropotter on Jul 11, 2012 10:31:52 GMT
Its Ramseys fault because he was such a classless twat after the accident. If he had accepted Ryans apology and seen the tackle for what it was it would be all but forgotten by now. Even so, it's not his fault that Coleman's publicly stated that he's going to ask him if Ryans allowed to play for Wales or not. Fair point well made. Either way, Ramsay could now deny Ryan international football by the sounds of it - you couldn't make this shit up.  |
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Post by Foster on Jul 11, 2012 10:34:41 GMT
Even so, it's not his fault that Coleman's publicly stated that he's going to ask him if Ryans allowed to play for Wales or not. Fair point well made. Either way, Ramsay could now deny Ryan international football by the sounds of it - you couldn't make this shit up. Yeah, I know. So basically what Coleman's said is. 'I've got no problem picking Ryan and he's good enough to play for us. However, it's Ramsey who's going to decide....'. So he's put all the pressure on Ramsey now If Ramsey says 'no', then he'll get slaughtered by the media for putting his personal vendetta ahead of his country. As will Coleman for not taking the decision himself. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 11, 2012 10:35:43 GMT
You know this saga - the whole of it - the incident, Wenger and Ramsey's reactions, the stupidity of Coleman releasing, what should be kept private, to the press - could form a module on one of the FA coaching courses. "How NOT to behave if you are a club or an International manager - and the importance of accepting genuine apologies when they are offered, and not bearing grudges, if you are a player."
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Post by andylgr on Jul 11, 2012 10:44:50 GMT
Just read the BBC article on it. I was amazed he came back to playing in such a short space of time if its correct that his leg was broken in 6 places. Fair play to the medical side of things.
I've always thought it must be strange to represent a country that in reality you have no real affiliation too.
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Post by Pedropotter on Jul 11, 2012 10:45:35 GMT
You know this saga - the whole of it - the incident, Wenger and Ramsey's reactions, the stupidity of Coleman releasing, what should be kept private, to the press - could form a module on one of the FA coaching courses. "How NOT to behave if you are a club or an International manager - and the importance of accepting genuine apologies when they are offered, and not bearing grudges, if you are a player."Shows them all up for what they are lakeland. |
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Post by Foster on Jul 11, 2012 10:46:13 GMT
The number of leg breaks he suffered seem to correlate to the number of games Tone says we played last season.
Next week we'll probably hear that Ramseys leg was broken in 52 places.
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Post by nonameface on Jul 11, 2012 10:46:40 GMT
My memory was that at all times Shawcross was nearer the ball and that it was Ramsey who jumped in. Do we still have the staggered pictures to show it on this board?
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Post by Timmypotter on Jul 11, 2012 10:46:50 GMT
First post....be kind Agree with Coleman's sentiments with regards to wanting the best players for Wales however, and it is a BIG however, would Ryan even be interested? Look at the current England squad and those set to replace the likes of Terry and is our skipper that far off? What really annoys me with this article is the reference to a reckless challenge...was I watching a different game? Ramsey may not have officially accepted Ryan's apology but I'd guess that the reason for this is that it'd show Wenger to be the complete tit he is... Looking forward to welcoming the Arse to the Brit..... This - what really annoys about that piece is the accepted wisdom that it was a 'reckless challenge'. It wasn't. It was an attempt at a typically agricultural clearance by Ryan, who hadn't even seen that Ramsey was trying to nip in. |
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Post by kevan45 on Jul 11, 2012 10:51:58 GMT
Irrespective of all / any photographic evidence, Arse fans will always testify that Ryan deliberatley broke Ramseys leg, murdered his parents, and mutilated his pet gerbil beyond recognition.
I think Mr Wheeze has the final word on this one
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 11, 2012 10:53:55 GMT
The number of leg breaks he suffered seem to correlate to the number of games Tone says we played last season. Next week we'll probably hear that Ramseys leg was broken in 52 places. These numbers, along with how much we have spent on transfers, are all subject to the elusive 'delusional fuckwit' quotient which is represented in mathematical equations by the symbol that is Prince's new name. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 11:04:59 GMT
to be fair i think it's less to do with Coleman and more to do with Ramsey; Coleman is actually just doing his job. if Ramsey HAD accepted Ryan's several attempts to apologise then it would be a non-story and non-issue. however, if Coleman knows that Ramsey has refused to accept the apology then he is simply doing his job as a manager of the national team to ensure that there would be no disruptions in the whole camp IF Ryan decided to take up the offer (which, incidentally i don't think he will anyway) so the whole issue has been caused by that whining little precious boy who seems to base his life decisions around what that French arsehole tells him, unfortnately though that whining boy happens to be Captain of the national side so is NOT going to dropped in place of Ryan. the manager has a responsibility to ensure that the team spirit is not ruined by ANYONE coming into the fold. I fail to see why Coleman had to trott along to the press with this story at this early stage. I'm not surprised he felt it best to consult (or perhaps a better word would be, "tell") Ramsey, if only because he would not particularly want to approach Ryan and then find that Ramsey was going to kick up a fuss and possibly go walkabout. But why not do it behind closed doors? A good manager would have ensured that the first the public knew about this was when/if Ryan was unveiled as a Welsh squad player or both parties could announce that it wasn't going to happen. i can't disagree with this. yes i appreciate that he won't have come and just said it; some journalist will have heard the rumours that he was going to approach Ryan and seen it as a good story given that Ramsey is in the side. however, you are right that Coleman should have simply said he would cross that bridge when he comes to it especially given that Coleman himself states on several occasions "If it gets that far" etc. i would see no problem with him saying this IF Ryan accepted and Coleman simply wanted to ensure and make a public point of acknowledging that there could be a problem so he would discuss it with all parties etc. and therefore show it has been discussed and resolved so no need for the media to make a story of it (as "Togetherness" is obviously a major issue in any side) but to go so into it at such an early stage is very naive in terms of media savvy |
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Jul 11, 2012 11:05:42 GMT
Its hard to believe even if Coleman thinks he has to ask Ramsay's permission in the first place that he would go public on it.
Its at best chronic management of a situation and at worst complete fuckwittery.
Its crazy that our lad has to put up with this tripe over and over again.
Why dont people just accept what i saw and have seen subsequently hundreds of times how this incident occured.
Ramsay, i am sorry to say, did what i dont think any other professional has done in the past and not accepted the honesty of the comments of a fellow professional re the tackle and its intent.
He could have killed this stone dead with a handshake publically prior to the next meeting between Stoke and Arsenal but he chose not to do so, and has poured fuel or an extremely unfortunate incident and it effected and continues to effect both their careers.
Its time the PFA stepped in on this and whilst having sympathy for Ramsay started backing up our player in the blame game.
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Post by popadom7 on Jul 11, 2012 11:08:17 GMT
F**K this particular captain. If he was any sort of captain, he'd be a man. A man would have excepted Mr Shawcross' apology for accidentally breaking his leg in the first instance.
There shouldn't be a issue here at all, it should be dead and buried.
If you read the article on the BBC website the links are there to the boos from both sets of fans for both players at the Stoke Arsenal games.
I personally think, as proper fans with honest players who play for us, we should take the high ground next time the teams meet and do one of a few things:
-cheer when either player receives the ball
-clap when either player receives the ball
-go silent when either player receives the ball
-do something positive I guess is the plan
but Ar*ehole will probably complain no matter what we do. I'm sure he does it to distract from the fact his team has not won anything in years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 11:12:33 GMT
Fair point well made. Either way, Ramsay could now deny Ryan international football by the sounds of it - you couldn't make this shit up. Yeah, I know. So basically what Coleman's said is. 'I've got no problem picking Ryan and he's good enough to play for us. However, it's Ramsey who's going to decide....'. So he's put all the pressure on Ramsey now If Ramsey says 'no', then he'll get slaughtered by the media for putting his personal vendetta ahead of his country. As will Coleman for not taking the decision himself. to be fair Foster you've missed some important points in that article; in the article it actually does state that Coleman is not necessarily asking for Ramsey's "Acceptance" (presumably he means that he would consult Ramsey to see if it was even possible they could play together rather than be bezzie mates) and it isn't a case of being weak willed as a manager at all. if Coleman talks to Ramsey and says "I appreciate you won't be buddies but is it possible for you to even play on the same team as him" and Ramsey says no then it would be daft for a manager to pick a player who he knows will cause upset and disruption in the rest of the squad and he would always understandably take Ramsey's side on that as he is Captain and (although i hate saying this) quite simply one of the best players they have. in short, it's not being weak willed at all, it's actually him doing his job! if he completely ignored it and just put Ryan in the side regardless then THAT would be being a weak willed manager who doesn't have the sense to even address the issue. as i said, the simple fact of him sounding out Ramsey is exactly what he should do given that Ramsey has been very public about the fact the refuses to accept Ryan's apology so the whole issue has been created by Ramsey rather than Coleman. it is daft though to have talked about publically, i do agree with that |
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Post by s7oke on Jul 11, 2012 11:13:18 GMT
Ramsey is a fanny end of and a mard arse and coleman is an alcy who cant drive or make a decision(grow some balls man) And why would Ryan want to play in a side thats never going to win anything he may as well not bother and concentrate on the prem Not that England will win a deal with Woy in charge either !!! |
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Post by ladyinred on Jul 11, 2012 11:22:05 GMT
Reading the comments in the BBC article,
Very High and Very late tackle - obviously never actually watched the tackle
Horrendous - obviously never actually watched the tackle
Bad, Bad, tackle -obviuosly never actually watched the tackle
I believe that the TV companies are very much too blame in the misconceptions surrounding the incident.
During the actual match, the tackle was never replayed (because of the horrific and distressful nature of the injury).
Any subsequent replays are shown from distance and it is very difficult to see the incident due to distance and crowd of bodies. Also in real time it is an extremely high speed incident.
In fact it all happened so quickly that even the still images only capture the moment before and the moment after impact.
As such, many 'fans' have only seen the pictures of the resulting injury/listened to Wenger/Ramsay etc and actually believe that it was an horrific, high, late tackle.
I recall around the time of the incident that there was a newspaper article from Dara O'Brein having a pop at Shawcross - but admitting that he hadn't actually watched the challenge, because he didn't think he could stomach it!
I would challenge anyone to do some youtube/google images research on the actual tackle, and conclude anything other than an unfortunate accident. Shawcross didn't deserve a red card.
Now that this incident has been dragged up again, I would like SCFC to come out with a statement with still photographs defending Shawcross and highlighting the actual incident. I understand at the time SCFC acted in a sensible and mature way 'taking our medicine' as Pulis put it, but this is just getting silly now.
Ramsay has fully recovered, but Shawcross is STILL getting villified.
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