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Post by roro on Aug 27, 2011 10:55:07 GMT
Thanks for the info.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 11:00:53 GMT
ok! have to go now! it s nice to meet you! Thanks Dave Bullet point summary anyone? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 11:06:08 GMT
This is one i fancy going to- but thats not much of a tciket allocation- surprised theres only 16,500 seats as I rememebered when they had a huge stadium
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Post by VolvicStokie on Aug 27, 2011 11:08:30 GMT
It'll be a similar following to what we had in Split I think
600 - 800
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 11:28:32 GMT
Welcome to the Oatcake, you will be made very welcome here, we enjoy having our Europa opponents talking to us.
We don't enjoy having our league opponents though! ;D (DJShitmyPants, I'm talking to you)
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Post by minty1964 on Aug 27, 2011 11:47:55 GMT
DoSvidanya Den,
It's 35years since I studied Russian and I went to Moscow in 1978. Obviously you are now the Ukraine and many things have changed.
I found then and now on holidays Russian / Ukranian etc people to be very funny and interesting.
Just wondered, in Kiev is there much English spoken in order to get food, beer, directions etc.
There wasn't in Moscow in 78 but the world has changed dramatically since.
Will you be coming to Stoke for the match when we play here?
Spacibo and Do Svidanya
Dave
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 12:24:10 GMT
To share with fellow stokies my experience of Kyiv: Firstly, be respectful. Ukrainians by nature are a very welcoming, kind, generous people - certainly a far cry from many of the folk you get in england and our capital city. However, I dont think they'd take kindly to disrespect, and the police certainly (unless you've got a couple of hundred quid spare as an apology) wont stand for any bollocks. This last week saw them celebrate the 20th anniversary of independence from the Soviet. There were three times in the last century mass extermination of ukrainian citizens to reduce the population, and there is a definite sense of pride and determination from everybody with the city to put behind them the days of the soviet union. They are definitely using the 2012 Euro's as a great driver for this, and there have recently been (and still are) large numbers of transport improvement schemes and large apartment developments. There is an increasing amount of wealth in Kiev, but I think there is something like 85% of the population who earn less than $10,000 per year. When you consider that a one bedroom flat in the not too great areas of Kiev can still set you back a good $70,000, it gives you the feeling that people make do with what they've got and live to what they earn. When you can see these things day in day out for an extended period, it gives you a great humility to realise just how privileged we are and how much folk take it for granted. The people there will appreciate any attempt to communicate with them in their language, because they know how complex the language is. Take the time to learn a few phrases, I can give you these which are russian (i dont yet speak ukrainian - all my work there is with a russian company, and in any case, about 90 to 95% of the Kyiv population speak Ukrainian and Russian as a dual native tongue): Dobri dyen - good day (or just 'dobri' will do as a quick greeting) Prosti, ya ne ponimao po-ukrainski. Vi govorite po-angliski? - Forgive me, I dont understand ukrainian. Do you speak english? (though apart from the more touristy area to the north east of the city centre, dont expect a huge amount of 'yes' answers!) Dva/Tri/Chetirya Peeva pozhalsta - 2/3/4 beers please (replace 'peeva' with 'vodi' for water if you're gay) Gdye blizhaisye bar - where is the nearest bar? Cpacibo - thank you Do cvidania - good bye Travelling - if you go by Wizzair to Kiev Zhulyany from Luton, its only a small airport, but as you go out of the airport on to the main road, turn right and a hundred metres or so down the road you'll see a bus stop. The trolleybus number 9 will take you to the main train station 'вокзал' and from there, you can get anywhere. If you go to Kiev Borispil, its a bit outside the city, a good 40 minutes or so from the centre (but allow an extra 30 minutes easily when returning to the airport because of roadworks). From the airport, absolutely DO NOT take a taxi, it'll cost you 25 euro's. Simply go outside the terminal and you'll see a bus called 'політ'. This will take you again to the train station, and it'll cost 25 grivna (less than £2). You'll know if you're at the right 'end' of the train station for the bus, because there's a small church outside to the left. If you cant, then go to the other end. To get around, make sure you get, and take with you the Ukrainian addresses, because, as mentioned earlier, not too many speak english. At least that way you'll be able to just give somebody the address if all else fails! There are a number of places in the city centre that you can change sterling, but outside the centre its not so easy. Take either Euro or Dollars. Sterling currently exchanging just below 13 grivna to the pound, 1120ish to the euro, 800 to the dollar. Euro and Dollar you can exchange everywhere. Beer, I definately recommend the Львівське beer. Comes from Lviv, which I mentioned earlier, and is one of the most beautiful cities I've seen. I like to go there for christmas and new year. Another one which is more of a wheaty beer is White Lion (белый лев) which i think is a russian beer. I would recommend to take an extra couple of days too. If nohting else...go to see the Motherland Statue, it is on the west banks of the Dnipro River. I go there often when I need to clear my mind, it seems to have quite an emotional hold over me somehow. You could also see it if you travel from Borispil as you drive by it to the right.  If to go along to Kreshatik, around there is a large commercial district, awesome place and recommend you go too. Take a trip up to Independence Square too, its like their Trafalgar Square. You'll also see in this area an absolute huge stonking amount of fit girls in short skirts. Treat yourself to a well known hotel too. There are a lot of 'hotels' which are very difficult to find. If you want to chance it on a budget place - then best of luck, but dont say you havent been warned  PM me if you want more details about owt from an english person who visits and spends loadsa time in Kiev |
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Post by andystokey on Aug 27, 2011 13:59:26 GMT
Cheers Po4B this is the one Ive picked and just got e-ticket through so hope I can get an allocation. Having been nearby before I can honestly say the cyrillic signs lack of English I found totally and utterly bewildering, so anyone who has only ever been to Mallorca on a package tour before best get used to being a complete alien on the street I think I will be taking a big book of photos of a toilet, beer, football ground and a bed. that should cover most situations. Any advice from a local or frequent visitor is very much appreciated, thanks. Anyone know if they actually will accept a Euro or if we should actual just go the hog and get some local currency at the airport? |
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Post by bigroy on Aug 27, 2011 14:25:32 GMT
Will our bank cards work in the ATM's? Stupid question maybe but you never know.
I went Russia on tour with my band November 2009 and it was an amazing place. We weren't allowed into the Ukraine because we didn't have the correct documents with our van. Looking forward to it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 14:31:38 GMT
Id exchange sone hrivna. You can spend euros in a few fashion outlets but not much else. Its closed currency though,cant exchange to and from hrivna from outside ukraine. Maximum you can take out is 50 UAN though thankfully ive never had money counted. Biggest cost to you will be taxis as they'll be charging you tourist rates, a quick 'skolko pozhalsta' beforehand to confirm first would be handy.
Also recommend you taste the salads too,so freshly made,and a nice borsh too
Bigroy (et al) register your card with bank for use in ukraine and you'll be fine most atms translate to english too
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Post by Teddler Stokie Born and Bred on Aug 27, 2011 14:41:30 GMT
Nice guy, and great we are getting recognition from foriegn fans alls I can say is '' PROUD ''
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 27, 2011 14:48:49 GMT
My mate did the Mongol Rally through the Ukraine and insists that the women are stonkingly beautiful and everyone* they met was very welcoming.
Have a great trip guys!
*except for the Police, who you might need to bribe. They normally start at $200 or something, but apparently most can be bought off with a couple of packets of cigarettes or a bottle of vodka.
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Post by andystokey on Aug 27, 2011 15:00:05 GMT
It would be really nice if we could share some beers with their lot and do some swapsies (Badges, shirts etc), Im hoping for a good friendly trip. Fingers crossed
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Post by denfcdk on Aug 27, 2011 16:05:24 GMT
Hi, all! I m back!
About language:
be ready that not everyone speaks English, but the young people usually do.
In the pubs & restaurants the menus usually have Ukrainian & English versions - so enjoy!
About sharing a beer - why not! )
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Post by denfcdk on Aug 27, 2011 16:15:37 GMT
to 1964
hello!
yea! lots of things changed!
we Ukraine are finally out of soviet - and it s SO GREAT!
more people speak English & have opportunities to travel abroad.
but we still have low living standards here.
we have very rich people & people who are really poor.
the prices are not so high, but the most salaries are very low.
but some people try to do their best & they have opportunities. that s important.
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Post by andystokey on Aug 27, 2011 16:25:04 GMT
denfcdk I will be there from the evening of the 14th leaving on the 16th so if you send a message and a location we can get a beer
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Post by denfcdk on Aug 27, 2011 16:33:13 GMT
to andy:
great!
got the mobile-number for sms (in PM sure)?
you know where are you going to stay?
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Post by besiktas1903 on Aug 27, 2011 16:37:56 GMT
Hi from istanbul, We have bad memories with the Kiev from last year. They beat us 2 times and we got out of the tournament I hope it will change this year |
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Post by andystokey on Aug 27, 2011 16:38:39 GMT
A mate of mine has done some work over there so we are maybe going to use the hotel the company did in the centre somewhere near the Premier Palace, (is that correct?) I will find out
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Post by andystokey on Aug 27, 2011 16:40:47 GMT
This is a tough group for everyone, lots of travelling involved about 10,000 miles for Stoke City. Besiktas looks an awesome atmosphere we saw the ManUtd "welcome to hell" fantastic.
Lets just hope everyone stays safe
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Post by denfcdk on Aug 27, 2011 16:41:28 GMT
Hi, istanbul! yea! that was great games for Dynamo! sure I hope the result won t change! But I understand that you are not easy opponent!! anyway, it can be seen only after the game! |
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Post by denfcdk on Aug 27, 2011 16:44:59 GMT
2 andy that s correct. it s in the city-centre, so lots of pubs around! i sent you pm with my e-mail & Ukrainian mobile. |
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Post by mistersausage on Aug 27, 2011 16:52:45 GMT
))) Вітаю! Дуже приємно! До Англії поки що не приїду, але дуже приємно чути що ти любиш Київ (Львів, Крим та Одесу)! Успіхів тобі та Сток Сіті!  What do you think of my missus ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by andystokey on Aug 27, 2011 16:57:49 GMT
2 andy that s correct. it s in the city-centre, so lots of pubs around! i sent you pm with my e-mail & Ukrainian mobile. right o sounds good |
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Post by trigger on Aug 27, 2011 17:05:48 GMT
Promised myself I'd attend an away match if we made the group stages, what sort of money would I be looking at for flights and a one night stay over?
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Post by denfcdk on Aug 27, 2011 17:36:41 GMT
one night stay can be from 40 USD (flat) to ~80-150 USD (hotel-room).
dinner - from 6 USD in cafeterium to 20 USD in a pub or small restaurant.
taxi ... not expensive (unless from airport)
flights - you better ask in England.
have a nice trip!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 17:44:17 GMT
Aaaaaaaargh! Reading all this really makes me want to go to Kyiv!
Den sounds like a good guy, I hope some Stokies get to meet up with him for a few beers before the game.
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Post by denfcdk on Aug 27, 2011 18:08:00 GMT
Guys, can you tell me how you gonna get to Kyiv & so how can we get to Stoke? Are your flights from London or Liverpool? And how much it costs to get from these cities to Stoke? Thanx!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 18:27:19 GMT
))) Вітаю! Дуже приємно! До Англії поки що не приїду, але дуже приємно чути що ти любиш Київ (Львів, Крим та Одесу)! Успіхів тобі та Сток Сіті! Дэн, я ОЧЕНЬ плохо понимаю по-украйнски, потому что я еще учусь русском языка. А было хорошо что ты меня понимаешь. Скажи, где в Киеве ты живёт? Когда я опять остаюсь в Киеве, мы можем пообедать? |
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Post by bigbolokbob on Aug 27, 2011 18:31:20 GMT
Do you need a Visa to go to Ukraine?
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