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Post by expectedtoulouse on Apr 21, 2010 22:49:34 GMT
There is a growing voice on this messageboard that wants the likes of Tuncay, Lawrence, Beattie and Kitson fucked off.
Just what is the point of selling all our best players and retaining the likes of Sidibé and the vast collection of squad players that are thieving money from the club whilst doing nothing? The likes of Soares, Tonge, Griffin, Davies, Amdy Faye, Diao, Sonko have hardly made any appearances for us in the Prem and need getting rid of so we can improve our squad - not established players who we know can do the business in this league.
Pulis' treatment of Tuncay, Lawrence and Kitson has been quite frankly, disgraceful. None of them have been given extended runs in the side and we have struggled with square pegs in round holes while these guys warm the bench just to satisfy Pulis' agendas and his inability to manage players with technical ability.
Just you wait and see. At the end of the season, Kitson will be sold whilst the hapless Sidibé continues to lumber around contributing nothing to the team and the likes of Whitehead continue to concede free kick after free kick whilst constantly giving the ball away plodding up and down the flanks.
Delap will continue to hurl in 20 throws whilst running himself into the ground to help balance up our woefully inept midfield that Pulis refuses to strengthen. Pulis has only signed 2 decent central midfielders in his whole career at Stoke - Whelan and Eustace. The rest of them, other than Delap are shite. None of them can retain the ball or pick a pass, let alone create a goalscoring opportunity, yet so called "fans" on here want 2 out of our 3 most creative midfielders "fucking off". Just what indication is there that he will suddenly change his ways?
Well I tell you what, if we get rid of Tuncay, Lawrence, Beattie and Kitson then we WILL be going down. We are already the lowest scorers in the division and a transfer window where we bolster our huge ranks of central defenders and plodding midfielders will not rectify that problem. The press are already touting our star name as a flop because of the way he has been starved of support, creative freedom and game time due to Pulis and his approximate 1 in 3 goalscoring record this season is scoffed at. Get behind him and stop labelling him as a "mardy, stroppy bastard." GET IT INTO YOUR HEADS! Tuncay did not strop off on Saturday. He clapped the fans and went into the dressing room to prevent stiffening up. Ideally, all substituted players should do this and better practices should be implemented to keep players muscles healthy. How many times has Tuncay been injured this season? And then you have the likes of Fuller, Etherington and Shawcross who have found 100% fitness hard to come by this season and always seem to pick up injuries out of nothing. Shawcross has been out for almost 2 months now - it's ridiculous.
Pulis will not be able to replace these guys with players that will actually sign for Stoke, fit into his "favoured" criteria and be good enough for the Premier League. We have finally got a quick, decent left winger and it has taken him his whole Stoke career to find one. If you think that we are going to get a striker who can hit the net, a quality right winger and central midfielder all in the same transfer window then you're sadly mistaken. The likes of Cole, Heskey, Bent, Rodallega, Parker will not sign for Stoke.
Unless you start supporting these players that have produced the goods and have served us well, then we're going to have to endure more results like Bolton home and Hull away with shit performances like Wolves away because we will have sold our attacking players.
If we weaken our attacking threat further then we're going to be in deep deep shit.
SUPPORT THE TEAM INSTEAD OF CONSTANTLY BERATING OUR TECHNICALLY ABLE PLAYERS.
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Post by nottspotter on Apr 21, 2010 22:57:09 GMT
thankyou Joe.. u have just adequately summed up how much I seethe at the Tuncay negativity. He's a breath of fresh air and we haven't seen technical skill and innovation like his at the brit before! his play making against bolton, spacial awareness and touch on the ball was quality.. and then people are ready to demonise him because he HIT THE FOOKING POST! OH DEAR! we woulda been lucky if Mama had hit that same ball and kept it in the stadium!
nice one pal!
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Post by prem4stoke on Apr 21, 2010 22:57:50 GMT
I think it is why around 8-10 players may leave this summer.
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Post by PickSCFC on Apr 21, 2010 22:58:54 GMT
yeah we really have struggled the past 2 seasons havnt we
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Apr 21, 2010 23:01:06 GMT
thankyou Joe.. you have just adequately summed up how much I seethe at the Tuncay negativity. He's a breath of fresh air and we haven't seen technical skill and innovation like his at the brit before! his play making against bolton, spacial awareness and touch on the ball was quality.. and then people are ready to demonise him because he HIT THE FOOKING POST! OH DEAR! we woulda been lucky if Mama had hit that same ball and kept it in the stadium! nice one pal! Well said mate. People were loving it when we signed him in the summer. He's a great player to watch and because he takes responsibility for his fitness, people are giving him abuse. The chorus of booing was disgraceful against Bolton - some people really do have to have a long hard think about whether they want Stoke to remain in the premier league because booing your best players ins't going to help acheive that. |
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Post by BoxxyTheLost on Apr 21, 2010 23:03:35 GMT
thankyou Joe.. you have just adequately summed up how much I seethe at the Tuncay negativity. He's a breath of fresh air and we haven't seen technical skill and innovation like his at the brit before! his play making against bolton, spacial awareness and touch on the ball was quality.. and then people are ready to demonise him because he HIT THE FOOKING POST! OH DEAR! we woulda been lucky if Mama had hit that same ball and kept it in the stadium! nice one pal! Well said mate. People were loving it when we signed him in the summer. He's a great player to watch and because he takes responsibility for his fitness, people are giving him abuse. The chorus of booing was disgraceful against Bolton - some people really do have to have a long hard think about whether they want Stoke to remain in the premier league because booing your best players ins't going to help acheive that. wasn't the booing because he was being a petulant little cunt because he'd been subbed? |
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Apr 21, 2010 23:13:05 GMT
Well said mate. People were loving it when we signed him in the summer. He's a great player to watch and because he takes responsibility for his fitness, people are giving him abuse. The chorus of booing was disgraceful against Bolton - some people really do have to have a long hard think about whether they want Stoke to remain in the premier league because booing your best players ins't going to help acheive that. wasn't the booing because he was being a petulant little cunt because he'd been subbed? Did you not read my post? He wasn't being petulant - he was going to the dressing room to get straight into the bath. If he was being petulant, he would've walked straight towards the tunnel and not clapped the fans. |
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Apr 21, 2010 23:14:20 GMT
yeah we really have struggled the past 2 seasons havnt we We've struggled scoring goals - that's why we're the lowest scorers in the league. |
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Post by nottspotter on Apr 21, 2010 23:16:39 GMT
nonetheless.. the booing has to stop regardless of the actions of the player or the actions of pulis subbing him! We're STOKE FUCKING CITY! usurpers of the premier league, our support is noted, acclaimed and the stuff of legends.. we're supposed 2 be renowned for getting behind the team, not dampening them with negativity! I personally don't agree with Pulis taking tunch off when Kitson is clearly the one needing his pipe and slippers and a hot bath, but I'll be damned before I let the opposition, their fans and the rest of the premiership know that there's dissent amongst the ranks!
I saw tuncay applaud the fans and shake pulis' hand before heading down the tunnel.. where's the petulance there? I'll tell you where it is.. it's in those fickle supporters who'll gladly sing NANA HEEEEY TUNCAY and then 5 minutes later be in uproar that he lwent down the tunnel! and also, had he been given the chance to show what he can do and not hampered by Pulis and his consistent Mama bumming.. then tunch would have no reason to feel a need 2 demonstrate his annoyance. He's here to play football.. and get goals! NOT to be introduced for 15 minutes a week by which time it's too damn late to make any impact!
fans need 2 stop being so indecisive and work out that their loyalty does not belong to players as individuals, but the club as a whole.
-nottspotter- Tuncay-Loving-Wankstain.
enough said.
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Post by BoxxyTheLost on Apr 21, 2010 23:19:19 GMT
wasn't the booing because he was being a petulant little cunt because he'd been subbed? Did you not read my post? He wasn't being petulant - he was going to the dressing room to get straight into the bath. If he was being petulant, he would've walked straight towards the tunnel and not clapped the fans. of course he was.  and he was shaking his head and had a face like a smacked arse because? i'd like to point out that i don't think he should be sold. Or Kitson or Lawrence for that matter. Beattie on the other hand can fucking rot for all i care. however when he puts on a Stoke shirt i'll support him (but he doesn't help his cause when he gets a chance to prove he can be arsed) so your basic post is just brown nosing tuncay in a typical "he can do no wrong" attitude and also "Pulis is crap" hmm support the TEAM. |
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Apr 21, 2010 23:21:11 GMT
Can't really see how Tuncay storming down the tunnel after being subbed can be defended myself.
He was looking tired and had just missed a great chance. A sitter in fact.
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Post by nottspotter on Apr 21, 2010 23:24:49 GMT
so you'd all leap to the attack if it had been Fuller that had missed said 'sitter' ??? doubtful.
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Apr 21, 2010 23:27:02 GMT
Can't really see how Tuncay storming down the tunnel after being subbed can be defended myself. He was looking tired and had just missed a great chance. A sitter in fact. FFS - HE DIDN'T STORM DOWN THE TUNNEL!!! Just because he walked down the tunnel after clapping the fans doesn't constitute storming off down the tunnel in a petulant little strop. Many players go straight into the dressing room after being substituted. In fact, there was one game at the brit against Wolves when one of their players went straight off the pitch and into the dressing room during the match and came back on again. What is wrong with looking after yourself properly and preserving your fitness for the next match? |
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Apr 21, 2010 23:27:05 GMT
The miss isn't being criticised (at least not by me), it's his attiude that needs drastic improvement. It's a childish thing to do when you get subbed to run down the tunnel and not show encouragement to your team mates.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Apr 21, 2010 23:28:38 GMT
I expect you'll be needing your tin hat Joe ...  Particularly regarding the Tunny subbing fiasco, I wonder if anyone saw Robben's reaction at being subbed tonight for Bayern. He was not a happy man, and had a real coming-together with van Gaal, and very nearly went straight for the tunnel himself. And yet the Bayern fans weren't booing him like we booed Tunny, and the commentators were crooning about how good it is that a player is so desperate to stay on the pitch and give his best for the team that he reacted in such a way. Should the Bayern fans have booed Robben perhaps? Should they now be clamouring for him to be transfer listed for perceived disrespect? |
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Apr 21, 2010 23:29:21 GMT
Can't really see how Tuncay storming down the tunnel after being subbed can be defended myself. He was looking tired and had just missed a great chance. A sitter in fact. FFS - HE DIDN'T STORM DOWN THE TUNNEL!!! Just because he walked down the tunnel after clapping the fans doesn't constitute storming off down the tunnel in a petulant little strop. Many players go straight into the dressing room after being substituted. In fact, there was one game at the brit against Wolves when one of their players went straight off the pitch and into the dressing room during the match and came back on again. What is wrong with looking after yourself properly and preserving your fitness for the next match? Lots of players do it? How many players do it 3 times in a season? Don't try and sugar coat it, he threw a strop and left for the tunnel. Clapping the fans doesn't hide this. And the reaction to boo him shows just how people are getting tired of his behaviour. |
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Post by nottspotter on Apr 21, 2010 23:32:04 GMT
I dunno.. the 1st time.. yes... I'll agree that it wasn't exactly the best impression to give.. HOWEVER.. I think he had every right to demonstrate his frustration to be honest! at that time he was getting the last 10/15 minutes of the game, week in week out, he wasn't being given the opportunity to show what he could do.. finally he gets a start and makes a good impact but is the one to be taken off first... it's like working your arse off overtime at any job, being given ur chance.. and the second that you do.. the manager hands the promotion to his 'favourite' in the firm.. think I'd have a minor demonstration of my annoyance to be fair.. don't tell me YOU wouldn't be pissed off in his shoes(boots) ? but I'm with Joe on this.. during the bolton game he went to the baths! my friend, a lifelong boro fan said he did the same there!
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Post by nottspotter on Apr 21, 2010 23:34:06 GMT
FFS - HE DIDN'T STORM DOWN THE TUNNEL!!! Just because he walked down the tunnel after clapping the fans doesn't constitute storming off down the tunnel in a petulant little strop. Many players go straight into the dressing room after being substituted. In fact, there was one game at the brit against Wolves when one of their players went straight off the pitch and into the dressing room during the match and came back on again. What is wrong with looking after yourself properly and preserving your fitness for the next match? Lots of players do it? How many players do it 3 times in a season? Don't try and sugar coat it, he threw a strop and left for the tunnel. Clapping the fans doesn't hide this. And the reaction to boo him shows just how people are getting tired of his behaviour. then all the hypocrites should stop singing his fucking song when he plays then shouldn't they. Can't have your cake AND bloody eat it too can ya? |
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Post by BoxxyTheLost on Apr 21, 2010 23:34:49 GMT
I dunno.. the 1st time.. yes... I'll agree that it wasn't exactly the best impression to give.. HOWEVER.. I think he had every right to demonstrate his frustration to be honest! at that time he was getting the last 10/15 minutes of the game, week in week out, he wasn't being given the opportunity to show what he could do.. finally he gets a start and makes a good impact but is the one to be taken off first... it's like working your arse off overtime at any job, being given ur chance.. and the second that you do.. the manager hands the promotion to his 'favourite' in the firm.. think I'd have a minor demonstration of my annoyance to be fair.. don't tell me YOU wouldn't be pissed off in his shoes(boots) ? but I'm with Joe on this.. during the bolton game he went to the baths! my friend, a lifelong boro fan said he did the same there! yes and then you'd swiftly be told that if you don't like it you can fuck off. i don't personally think he can actually be stupid enough to storm off a 3rd time. but that's not how it looks at the time so the reaction to boo was understandable BUT not acceptable. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 21, 2010 23:35:23 GMT
To be fair, Joe, I think you're going a little over the top here. For a start, you no more know that Tuncay was going off to prevent stiffening up than he was having a strop. None of us know for certain. Some of the noises Pulis has been making suggest it was the latter, but whatever it is, it's not a popular move. If the manager is alright with it and he performs for us, it's fine with me. If it becomes a problem and he plays poorly, then something needs doing.
With each of Beattie, Lawrence, Kitson and Tuncay there has been something going on behind the scenes. Lawrence was one of the four players in the Championship that we couldn't do without and once he'd built his fitness up, he made a fine contribution to our cause last season. I just don't think the manager trusts him any more after his canine capers last season. Again, we don't know the full story. He's big mates with Beattie, which I suppose doesn't help if he sided with him in the towelgate business or, indeed, if he was the mystery leak. When reading the teams out, Mark O'Connor suggested that we were disappointed with Liam's contribution this season, that'd he'd played superbly for Ireland, but never turned it on for us. I'm inclined to agree. You can point to his lack of games as a reason for him underperforming this season, but when he goes and plays his heart out for Ireland with a real man of the match performance, you have to wonder. I can think of one good game off the top of my head that Lawrence has had for us, but he's stood out in every single game for Ireland, putting McGeady on the other flank to shame with his work rate. I don't want to see him go, but he's going to have to buck his ideas up and really impress in every opportunity he gets. He was awful against Hull and epitomised average against Bolton.
James Beattie, then. Exactly what we needed last season and was viewed by both manager and fans as our best target man option, for the simple reason that when he is on, we have a massive goalscoring threat. We have to rely on the target man winning it in the air less, as he wasn't so good at that, but with Etherington as a get out ball it worked great. Beattie just has that eye for goal that's very rare amongst footballers. Again, though, this season has been something else altogether. He turned up in pre-season looking apathetic, he hurt himself against Birmingham and he's been very apathetic all season. Being headbutted by your boss is one thing, but if the same people who reported the headbutt are to be believed, Beattie was acting like a real dick prior to the whole thing anyway. I mean really, demanding two days holiday for a Christmas party in London after a defeat and then calling the manager a liar to the whole squad, despite it later being confirmed that the training schedules had been printed in advance. Based on his performances and the off the pitch stuff, I'd happily see him go for the benefit of the club.
Dave Kitson is one who I would see was mistreated to an extent. His head was all wrong in his first season, but he fixed himself in the summer and he came back with the right attitude. He made something of himself and scored goals, while putting in good performances. The manager preferred Beattie, though, and left Kitson out against Everton. Wrong move. Beattie was massively unfit and it sent Kitson haywire again. It took another loan spell for him to rehabilitate and we're now seeing the best of him. I promise you he won't be dropped for Mama this season, barring fitness or injury problems, he just won't. The manager isn't daft and unlike Beattie, Lawrence and Tuncay, he's seen him performing the role he's been given. He may well be substituted for Mama, but then Kitson to me really drops off after about 35 minutes and is shattered after an hour. He gets involved still, but doesn't do quite enough and it can cost the team, as against Bolton. I doubt he'll be sold, I really do.
Tuncay, meh. Doesn't fit in our system and is easily our most frustrating player. Sometimes he's good, sometimes he can't get himself involved. He doesn't have a best position and I don't think there's a modern team that really has room for a player who's at his best when given no responsibilities whatsoever. When he was absolutely shite against Villa, easily the worst player on the pitch through his own making (not Sidibe's or anyone elses), he started with the arm waving and gesturing at his own players. I hate that, I really do. If we find a place for him and he can turn it on, he can stay. If not, I don't really care if he goes. He's a decent link up player, but he has the first touch of an elephant and he's wildly inconsistent.
Why does the manager 'favour' certain players? Maybe there is a hint of sentimentality, but I think by and large it's because they do the job that they're told to do when they're on the pitch. Tuncay and Pulis are almost always at odds with each other because Tuncay often doesn't do what's asked of him. Bolton was, in fact, the first game where I've not seen Pulis have to say anything to Tuncay because he's done all that was necessary. The fact is, I don't think any of us really know what the job the manager wants of his players is. We can all think that a player does reasonably, but he'll be screaming at them from the sidelines and may well dump them out of the team. I'm not going to pretend that I know better than him.
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Apr 21, 2010 23:35:27 GMT
I would be pissed off yes. But I wouldn't make a scene about it. I might complain but I certianly wouldn't to what Tunny did.
At the end of the day he is a professional paid good money by the club, he can at least behave in a dignified and I stress the next word- professional manner.
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Apr 21, 2010 23:38:01 GMT
Lots of players do it? How many players do it 3 times in a season? Don't try and sugar coat it, he threw a strop and left for the tunnel. Clapping the fans doesn't hide this. And the reaction to boo him shows just how people are getting tired of his behaviour. then all the hypocrites should stop singing his fucking song when he plays then shouldn't they. Can't have your cake AND bloody eat it too can ya? Right, from your argument then just because his name is sung, he is immune to criticsm. Someone who is loved cannot be touched then? The fans WANT to love him because he a big signing. They WANT him to succeed. And if that means singing him name all the time then they will do it. |
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Post by nottspotter on Apr 21, 2010 23:44:30 GMT
I would be pissed off yes. But I wouldn't make a scene about it. I might complain but I certianly wouldn't to what Tunny did. At the end of the day he is a professional paid good money by the club, he can at least behave in a dignified and I stress the next word- professional manner. honestly could not agree more.. however.. people can forget themselves in the heat of the moment, so more so than others.. and a tantrum isn't the best way to solve it. BUT, I can afford him some understanding because I bet it's soul-destroying to have been purchased with the intent of being the next biggest thing at a club and then not being afforded the opportunity to shine. 'petulant' is not the ideal choice of words.. but there is definitely some room in tuncay for humility... however... back to my case about the fickleness of fans.. if tuncay was scoring every game I don't think people would give a toss! it's all a fine balance and I refer again to my earlier point about not demonising individuals and being loyal to others.. we should be getting behind the team regardless and showing no weakness or dischord to the opposition and their fans! |
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Post by One-Two on Apr 21, 2010 23:53:14 GMT
I dunno.. the 1st time.. yes... I'll agree that it wasn't exactly the best impression to give.. HOWEVER.. I think he had every right to demonstrate his frustration to be honest! at that time he was getting the last 10/15 minutes of the game, week in week out, he wasn't being given the opportunity to show what he could do.. finally he gets a start and makes a good impact but is the one to be taken off first... it's like working your arse off overtime at any job, being given ur chance.. and the second that you do.. the manager hands the promotion to his 'favourite' in the firm.. think I'd have a minor demonstration of my annoyance to be fair.. don't tell me YOU wouldn't be pissed off in his shoes(boots) ? but I'm with Joe on this.. during the bolton game he went to the baths! my friend, a lifelong boro fan said he did the same there! To be fair, if I was being paid around £35,000 per week, and I was told to do something, I'd bloody well do it and not show any attitude! So no, in his shoes I would act very differently |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 22, 2010 0:20:02 GMT
Joe, what a post. Absolutely excellent thread. I truly mean it, one of the most sensible posts ever made on this forum.
If karma was still available you;d be getting pluses from me for the next week!
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Post by alster on Apr 22, 2010 6:24:43 GMT
I dunno.. the 1st time.. yes... I'll agree that it wasn't exactly the best impression to give.. HOWEVER.. I think he had every right to demonstrate his frustration to be honest! at that time he was getting the last 10/15 minutes of the game, week in week out, he wasn't being given the opportunity to show what he could do.. finally he gets a start and makes a good impact but is the one to be taken off first... it's like working your arse off overtime at any job, being given ur chance.. and the second that you do.. the manager hands the promotion to his 'favourite' in the firm.. think I'd have a minor demonstration of my annoyance to be fair.. don't tell me YOU wouldn't be pissed off in his shoes(boots) ? but I'm with Joe on this.. during the bolton game he went to the baths! my friend, a lifelong boro fan said he did the same there! To be fair, if I was being paid around £35,000 per week, and I was told to do something, I'd bloody well do it and not show any attitude! So no, in his shoes I would act very differently Sounds to me like a very good reason you would be highly unlikely to find yourself in that position. In general earning that sort of wedge involves some degree of talent, talented people are rarely blindly obidient to anyone. Love him or hate him or anything in between I think most would agree Pulis has a very strange outlook on the game, his methods and man management often seem completely bizzare but it works for him. Tuncay obviously has a problem with Tone's quirky ways and this brings the attitude and contributes to the fact that we seldom see the best of him. I feel it will be a sad day when he leaves but given the choice between him and Pulis I think most fans would keep Pulis. The major down side of that is I don't expect he would be replaced by anyone with similar flair and to be honest if he was his replacement would probably face the exact same difficulties. |
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Post by jarhead on Apr 22, 2010 6:29:10 GMT
The BEST POST EVER well said joe.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 22, 2010 7:06:20 GMT
I echo MD's excellent post without the quote because it's a big un. When things are going so well for the team, too much slagging of our own players does my head in Joe (as does too much slagging of our manager) but you have gone over the top with some of your post mate especially as it is based on a spurious assumption that Tuncay heading straight for the tunnel was well intentioned and responsible. Also the idea that some of the players you have mentioned are irreplaceable and that we will go down if we get rid is laughable.
When things are so going well why not just
SUPPORT THE TEAM INCLUDING THE "HAPLESS SIDIBE AND PLODDING WHITEHEAD"
I hope you enjoy the run in and what should be an interesting off season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2010 7:11:53 GMT
To be fair, Joe, I think you're going a little over the top here. For a start, you no more know that Tuncay was going off to prevent stiffening up than he was having a strop. None of us know for certain. Some of the noises Pulis has been making suggest it was the latter, but whatever it is, it's not a popular move. If the manager is alright with it and he performs for us, it's fine with me. If it becomes a problem and he plays poorly, then something needs doing. With each of Beattie, Lawrence, Kitson and Tuncay there has been something going on behind the scenes. Lawrence was one of the four players in the Championship that we couldn't do without and once he'd built his fitness up, he made a fine contribution to our cause last season. I just don't think the manager trusts him any more after his canine capers last season. Again, we don't know the full story. He's big mates with Beattie, which I suppose doesn't help if he sided with him in the towelgate business or, indeed, if he was the mystery leak. When reading the teams out, Mark O'Connor suggested that we were disappointed with Liam's contribution this season, that'd he'd played superbly for Ireland, but never turned it on for us. I'm inclined to agree. You can point to his lack of games as a reason for him underperforming this season, but when he goes and plays his heart out for Ireland with a real man of the match performance, you have to wonder. I can think of one good game off the top of my head that Lawrence has had for us, but he's stood out in every single game for Ireland, putting McGeady on the other flank to shame with his work rate. I don't want to see him go, but he's going to have to buck his ideas up and really impress in every opportunity he gets. He was awful against Hull and epitomised average against Bolton. James Beattie, then. Exactly what we needed last season and was viewed by both manager and fans as our best target man option, for the simple reason that when he is on, we have a massive goalscoring threat. We have to rely on the target man winning it in the air less, as he wasn't so good at that, but with Etherington as a get out ball it worked great. Beattie just has that eye for goal that's very rare amongst footballers. Again, though, this season has been something else altogether. He turned up in pre-season looking apathetic, he hurt himself against Birmingham and he's been very apathetic all season. Being headbutted by your boss is one thing, but if the same people who reported the headbutt are to be believed, Beattie was acting like a real dick prior to the whole thing anyway. I mean really, demanding two days holiday for a Christmas party in London after a defeat and then calling the manager a liar to the whole squad, despite it later being confirmed that the training schedules had been printed in advance. Based on his performances and the off the pitch stuff, I'd happily see him go for the benefit of the club. Dave Kitson is one who I would see was mistreated to an extent. His head was all wrong in his first season, but he fixed himself in the summer and he came back with the right attitude. He made something of himself and scored goals, while putting in good performances. The manager preferred Beattie, though, and left Kitson out against Everton. Wrong move. Beattie was massively unfit and it sent Kitson haywire again. It took another loan spell for him to rehabilitate and we're now seeing the best of him. I promise you he won't be dropped for Mama this season, barring fitness or injury problems, he just won't. The manager isn't daft and unlike Beattie, Lawrence and Tuncay, he's seen him performing the role he's been given. He may well be substituted for Mama, but then Kitson to me really drops off after about 35 minutes and is shattered after an hour. He gets involved still, but doesn't do quite enough and it can cost the team, as against Bolton. I doubt he'll be sold, I really do. Tuncay, meh. Doesn't fit in our system and is easily our most frustrating player. Sometimes he's good, sometimes he can't get himself involved. He doesn't have a best position and I don't think there's a modern team that really has room for a player who's at his best when given no responsibilities whatsoever. When he was absolutely shite against Villa, easily the worst player on the pitch through his own making (not Sidibe's or anyone elses), he started with the arm waving and gesturing at his own players. I hate that, I really do. If we find a place for him and he can turn it on, he can stay. If not, I don't really care if he goes. He's a decent link up player, but he has the first touch of an elephant and he's wildly inconsistent. Why does the manager 'favour' certain players? Maybe there is a hint of sentimentality, but I think by and large it's because they do the job that they're told to do when they're on the pitch. Tuncay and Pulis are almost always at odds with each other because Tuncay often doesn't do what's asked of him. Bolton was, in fact, the first game where I've not seen Pulis have to say anything to Tuncay because he's done all that was necessary. The fact is, I don't think any of us really know what the job the manager wants of his players is. We can all think that a player does reasonably, but he'll be screaming at them from the sidelines and may well dump them out of the team. I'm not going to pretend that I know better than him. Now thats a good post. |
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 22, 2010 7:30:43 GMT
Well firstly to respond to the original post. To lose all of Tunc Lennie Kits and Beattie would be a major worry especially as i think they would be replaced by less flair and more aaaarrdd work. I think its safe to say that BT is a goner and pretty much all would agree that he's marked his own card.Kitson surely has a place in the squad on merit. Lennie maybe is in decline for whatever reason, perhaps complacency, but has had a poor season for us.
The one I would really be concerned about leaving is Tuncay and clearly TP gets frustrated with him as TP wants him to do the simple things and Tunny is just naturally a maverick. Tunny not surprisingly gets frustrated at the hoof tactics and the lack of football played on the deck. My guess was that he came to use reluctantly as there was no other option for him. So i think he will go and to be probably replaced by another defensive midfield option.
Tuncay leaving would be a reflection on TP's poor man management of 'maverick' type players. And Tunny may frustrate the hell out of the manager and many on here but we have a worrying lack of flare and imagination in the team to turn a game...only Fuller and Tuncay can do this. I hope the manager sorts out their differences or at worst replaces him with real quality not just a workhorse.
If we lose genuine footballers in Tunny Kitson and Lennie and replace them with Diao/W'head/Sidibe lookalikes then we could be in trouble next season.
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