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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 23:38:20 GMT
Problem with Geoff is the same as it has always been. I don't understand why Sparky doesn't just tell him he is an average defender, playing right back. If he just kept things more simple, didn't push forward quite so much, he would be an okay squad player. So you're blaming Hughes here? If it wasn't for injuries, he'd be nowhere near starting for us. Most people have realised this for ages. He's not remotely anywhere near good enough at this level. I was blaming Geoff, but I get what you are saying. In all probability the manager is telling him exactly those things. He just seems to lack discipline. His tactical understanding of the game is nonexistent.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 18:57:07 GMT
Yep the fullback position has been the weak link for the last year or so.
Pieters is okay, nothing more. Bardsley is okay, but inconsistent. Cameron is obviously not good enough.
Problem is where do you get a decent fullback from without spending lots of money? Most clubs in our position just have 'okay' fullbacks which is exactly what we have.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 18:53:54 GMT
I do agree regarding Diouf. Gave him the benefit of the doubt for the first 10-15 games but he is not what we are looking for. I would still probably start him away from home because of his pace on the counter but in the long run he is just a squad filler. Dodged a bullet by landing him on a free and not paying the 5.5 million we were offering last January.
That's not a comment on his performance today. And I wouldn't knock his effort. But half way through the season, I think we have seen enough to know we need better if we are to remain a top ten side.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 18:48:39 GMT
Anyone else remember the debates about why Sparky's teams always do better in the second half of a season?
Some people said the reason was to do with the fitness regime which was designed to ensure players stayed fit for the whole season and so reduced injuries and fatigue meant the squad performed better towards the end of the season when others began to run out of steam.
Seems even more bizarre we have had so many problems.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 18:46:14 GMT
What's that got to do with it ? Today we were utter wank, total embarrassment Just a throwback to the ole days
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 18:03:40 GMT
Why not blame injuries? If we still had Ryan, Bojan, Walters, Pieters, Odemwingie et. al. we would not ever be having this conversation. Because if that starting eleven wasn't good enough to compete with a championship team, it begs the question as to the real depth of quality within the squad. Not good enough. Outside the top six in the Prem, nobody has the kind of depth that can deal with the extent of injuries we have faced. That is just a fact of life. I don't understand why everyone is so surprised by this. The only surprise is that we have managed to stay comfortably above the relegation places for so long.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 18:01:22 GMT
philm87' We are still in the top ten. Ryan will be back soon. He will sort our defence out. Which defence? Who have we got? When Ryan is back it will be fine. Last week Muniesa and Wollscheid were amazing. This week they are shite. The Oatcake is a hotbed of mass schizophrenia.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 17:18:50 GMT
Problem with Geoff is the same as it has always been. I don't understand why Sparky doesn't just tell him he is an average defender, playing right back. If he just kept things more simple, didn't push forward quite so much, he would be an okay squad player.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 17:10:24 GMT
That starting team should have been good enough to beat a Blackburn team with 8 changes from their last league match. Absolute shambles from Stoke and most of our players should be taking a long hard look at their performances today. Disgraceful. And please don't blame injuries and referee decisions. Blame Stoke, end of story. Why not blame injuries? If we still had Ryan, Bojan, Walters, Pieters, Odemwingie et. al. we would not ever be having this conversation.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 17:06:34 GMT
It's not just those though is it?
Shawcross missed a couple of games a few weeks back, which never usually happens. Moses was out for weeks. Arnie has been in and out. Ireland out at the start of the season. Whelan in and out. It's been like this all season. I'm honestly amazed we are so comfortably above the drop zone. Pretty much any team outside the top six, if they had the kind of injury problems we have had this season, would be fighting relegation. Look at Wet Sham last year. Didn't have it as bad as we do now, yet all their fans wanted Fat Sham out because they were stuck in the bottom half playing gashball.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 17:01:28 GMT
We're 10 FFS
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 17:00:01 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Since when has Ryan Shawcross ever got injured? But Shawcross had already injured his groin just prior to deadline day. Hughes said the deal was too far down the line to end. Bollocks. If we get an 11th hour injury then we should do whatever the hell we want. If that's true, why would you automatically assume that Shawcross would immediately get injured again? It's a gamble to an extent, but you have to make those gambles. We have loaned Huth out to try and get him back to match fitness/sharpness. Had he stayed then he would most likely have been sitting on the bench. Of course, we now know that he wouldn't be on the bench, he would be playing every game. But the manager cannot know that unless he has psychic powers.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 16:31:09 GMT
Unless I'm getting you mixed up with someone else, I'm pretty sure you spent all your time slating him whilst he was our manager? Who me ? Yes you troll
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 16:28:25 GMT
We could do with looking at the wba manager too. He seems to know how to get a team fired up. Unless I'm getting you mixed up with someone else, I'm pretty sure you spent all your time slating him whilst he was our manager?
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 16:24:08 GMT
Exactly. You need say no more. People shouldn't read too much into this, nor that unkind defeat to Man City the other day.
A part of me is glad. When Chelsea and Man City were knocked out, I thought we were guaranteed a shot at winning the cup. When Bojan was ruled out for the rest of the season, I knew that chance was gone. What I feared most was not a pasting against Blackburn, but getting to Wembley and just coming up short like last time. We would all have walked away thinking 'What might have been' if only we had had Bojan fit. Better to get the disappointment over with now.
We are still in the top ten. Ryan will be back soon. He will sort our defence out. We have no relegation worries.
Our chance will come again and next time, when it does, Bojan will make history for us. I promise.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2015 16:15:34 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Since when has Ryan Shawcross ever got injured?
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Post by philm87 on Feb 12, 2015 0:02:47 GMT
Bojan is the future.
We play whatever system he requires.
End of.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 12, 2015 0:01:15 GMT
Often he can be, but he makes up for it in other ways. A team full of Whelans would be crap, a team full of Arnies would be crap. Part of the reason we are a top ten side is because we have the right balance and Glenn Whelan, whatever you think of him, is key to that balance. Can't argue with that. I would hope that we sign a strong midfielder in the summer to at least put pressure on Whelan, preferably to replace him. They are really difficult to find unfortunately. Probably another reason for Whelan having held down his place for so long. I'm hoping Muniesa can be adapted to a central midfield role as a long-term replacement.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 11, 2015 23:58:00 GMT
Whelan does a lot of good work off the ball that goes unnoticed. Covering for others, getting in the right position. He's also the kind of guy you want in your dressing room. There is a reason why two of the best managers in the Premier League have consistently picked Whelan week in week out for the last five years. Yeah, one loves a trier and the other has his hands tied. Stoke fans love a runner and will forgive other things. Fact is Whelan is diabolical on the ball. Often he can be, but he makes up for it in other ways. A team full of Whelans would be crap, a team full of Arnies would be crap. Part of the reason we are a top ten side is because we have the right balance and Glenn Whelan, whatever you think of him, is key to that balance.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 11, 2015 23:54:57 GMT
You have the right to go early. Equally, others have the right to point out it is poor support. Because it is poor support. You don't need to cry about it, nobody is 'dictating' anything to you. Just pointing out that it is poor support. I think the fact that so many people always feel the need to defend themselves sort of suggests that, deep down, they know it is poor support. Come off it Phil - you're normally better than that mate. People aren't defending THEMSELVES, they're defending peoples right to do whatever they like, especially when they've paid for that right. Everybody who pays for a ticket, has a different sense of affinity to SCFC - that's why we have twice as many season ticket holders now that we're in the Prem and why we'll have close to 40k wanting tickets if we get to Wembley. Should we fook all those supporters off because they don't meet the criteria set by YOUR proper supporter test? Better for as many to be there as possible and leave when ever the like, than not even be there in the first place IMHO. Yeah I wouldn't disagree. They have a right to do that if they want. I'm not suggesting fooking them off (they did that all by themselves ) Just pointing out that as much as people have a right to walk out because their team has conceded four goals, others have the right to call it poor support if that's what they believe. So long as nobody is having a go at the game.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 11, 2015 23:51:54 GMT
Whelan does a lot of good work off the ball that goes unnoticed. Covering for others, getting in the right position. He's also the kind of guy you want in your dressing room.
There is a reason why two of the best managers in the Premier League have consistently picked Whelan week in week out for the last five years.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 11, 2015 23:47:44 GMT
Bit harsh really. Sure Bego has saved a couple in his time.
Still one of the best keepers in the league. We are lucky to have him.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 11, 2015 23:46:10 GMT
Incredibly frustrating. But he is gradually improving game by game.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 11, 2015 23:40:58 GMT
People go to see a football match, that said football match was dead what else was there to see? Yes we played alright and they are the champions but never the less that football match was dead and buried. Our players gave up and so had the fans. So keep your nose out of what everybody is entilted to do. I suppose you kick off if someone leaves work 14 mins early because there work is done. Nobody is putting their nose in though. People are just making an observation, stating their opinion on something that happened at the match. It happens on forums quite often
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Post by philm87 on Feb 11, 2015 23:38:19 GMT
Agreed. Nice to see most on here have some perspective regarding tonight's result.
Given our injury toll we are having a great season so far. That result was not a fair reflection of the game either. We're still 10th in the league, and have a decent chance of another trip to Wembley.
Roll on Blackburn.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 11, 2015 23:36:20 GMT
You have the right to go early. Equally, others have the right to point out it is poor support. Because it is poor support. You don't need to cry about it, nobody is 'dictating' anything to you. Just pointing out that it is poor support. I think the fact that so many people always feel the need to defend themselves sort of suggests that, deep down, they know it is poor support. Rubbish Well in that case I retract my previous comments. You've convinced me with that argument.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 11, 2015 23:32:15 GMT
You have the right to go early.
Equally, others have the right to point out it is poor support. Because it is poor support.
You don't need to cry about it, nobody is 'dictating' anything to you. Just pointing out that it is poor support.
I think the fact that so many people always feel the need to defend themselves sort of suggests that, deep down, they know it is poor support.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 7, 2015 20:59:36 GMT
Well feel free to do so when you have a computer Dave. I'm not twisted anything you said. And I'm not deliberately taking anything out of context. All of the 'sweeping generalizations' you claim I am making are things I can quite easily back up simply by copying and pasting the many comments you have made on this thread. Either you have forgotten what you have said, or pretending not to have said it.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 7, 2015 20:10:10 GMT
Dave I openly admitted I don't know all the detail. You are acting like you know everything about this guy and are a trained medical professional. You've even implied that he faked the whole thing. I'm not putting words into your mouth either. Your words are on this thread for all to see. These points apply beyond the case in question... 'Some depressed people are brave enough to seek help and they have my respect and sympathy' So those who suffer in silence, the majority of the thousands who claims their lives every year, do not deserve sympathy? 'A man who could destroy his kids isn't deserving of the same respect or sympathy.' You do realise that would extent to pretty much any man who has ever killed himself? None of them deserve sympathy? 'My view is that suicide is the easy way out, a cowardly way out' AND 'I don't need to read up on depression. I understand it fully.' No offence mate, but based on most of what you have said on this thread, you DEFINITELY don't understand. Come on then, put me right. Don't just tell me I'm wrong and ignorant. Make a point of your own. I've experienced a mental illness first hand and nursed someone through those times so I do have an understanding of it. Perhaps "understanding fully" were the wrong words because no one understands it fully...not even the medical profession's. I've watched with interest the situation with Clarke Carlisle over the years and I comment based in what I know and understand in relation to his case. If something came out to make me change my mind, then I'd admit it. As things stand, I maintain that Clarke Carlisle isn't deserving of sympathy. His was a cowardly act, borne not out of desperation or mental illness but by a need to somehow justify and excuse his appalling behaviour that has endangered the lives of several people, including his own. Funnily enough, I don't know the full detail and neither does anyone else on here. However, the only person close to him to speak out seems to share a similar view of Clarke Carlisle's current plight as I do and i posted my opinion a few hours before the thoughts of his friend became public knowledge. Does that make me right? No it doesn't but it does at least add a bit I substance to the view that I'm expressing. I don't actually have to offer an opinion. You put yours out there and anyone is entitled to challenge it. So I'll ask again... You said, 'some depressed people are brave enough to seek help and they have my respect and sympathy' So, I'll ask again, those who suffer in silence, the majority of the thousands who claims their lives every year, do not deserve sympathy? You also said, 'a man who could destroy his kids isn't deserving of the same respect or sympathy.' So, I'll ask again, do you realise that would probably extend to the majority of the thousands of men who kill themselves every year? None of them deserve sympathy? You say that you are only referring specifically to the case of Clarke Carlisle, and not people with mental health problems in general. Juxtapose that with the comments I have quoted above and ask yourself if you can spot the contradiction. You say that Carlisle's mental health problems are purely the result of his own personal failings and that he wasn't depressed when he was a professional footballer. Where is your evidence for this? I'm not familiar with the details of this case, but I thought it was widely known he was suffering from similar problems even whilst he was a successful pro? You say you have substance for your allegations that he is simply using depression to further his career or escape criminal charges, but what exactly is this substance? Are you referring to the comments made on Twitter by an actor who last spoke to him ten years ago? That doesn't sound like substance to me. You imply that the very fact that he is an alcoholic is all the more reason for us not to have any sympathy for him. Do you seriously believe that anyone chooses to become an alcoholic? You also suggest that he might actually have faked this suicide attempt, because, in your own words, 'he has escaped without a single broken bone and only a few cuts and bruises'. Are you for real? Read that back again and ask if it sounds like something a sensible, rational person would come up with, or someone who judgement is impaired by a hatred of Carlisle personally. If we take the totality of your comments, that is what it looks like. Maybe I am wrong. You usually talk good sense, so it seems to stand out a bit more. And yes I do think you are ignorant. Perhaps suicide is a cowardly thing to do. Personally, I would have thought it's pretty scary. Either way, the fact that it is cowardly doesn't seem to provide grounds for discarding any sympathy altogether. People attempt suicide out of desperation, a sense of complete helplessness. For people in this state of mind, they often genuinely feel the world would be better off without them, so they are not able to comprehend the selfishness of their actions to the extent that you or I can. In terms of 'triggers', they don't really work in the way you suggest. In this context, a trigger and a cause are not the same thing. A trigger for an episode (depression or otherwise) can be any major life changing event. It could even be something that appears to be a positive change. The word 'trigger' is used to refer to an event activating problems that were already there. It is the trigger that forces them to bubble to the surface and become unmanageable. Alcoholism is recognised as a disease by the World Health Organization. People don't choose to become alcoholics. People choose to drink yes, but that is not the same thing. Most of us drink and most of us drink heavily. We do not become alcoholics as a result of this. Given these facts, it is probably likely that those who develop alcoholism do so because of differences in their brain chemistry, psychological differences, and so on. In general, the evidence does not support the idea that these people are 'weak'. Perhaps you are correct in diagnosing some of them as 'weak' or whatever, but that hardly suggests they deserve what they get does it? In terms of the relationship between drugs, alcohol and mental health conditions the relationship is usually symbiotic. People often drink more as a way of coping with their problems. The simple linearity implied by your understanding just doesn't reflect how the real world actually works. I agree people should accept responsibility for choices, but the world is not as black and white as you seem to think. You have to consider proportionality. So if a teenager runs across the road because his mates egged him on to do it then yes I think he is stupid and 'a sheep' and whatever else. But that doesn't mean, if he is killed, he deserves it because of the 'choice' he made and the fact he is weak. I'm not trying to put words into your mouth here, merely pointing out the logical conclusion at which your understanding of morality terminates. According to your understanding, whatever happens to us is what we deserve, provided it results from the 'choices' we made. Alternatively, it's quite possible to sympathise with other people whilst simultaneously thinking they are idiots or, in the case of Carlisle, perhaps worse. I'm not really bothered too much about Carlisle, I'm only raising these points if you want people to stop being so 'cowardly' and so on, then attitudes need to change. I'd bet good money that many of the people posting on here admitting they are suffering from depression would not do so without the anonymity of the internet. Many others reading this will not even admit it on an internet forum. You can say they are weak, have made poor choices, or whatever, and then when the bodies pile up you can say they don't deserve any sympathy because they are 'cowards'. Perhaps part of the reason they suffered in silence, and part of the reason those folk are no longer with us, is because there are many people who share similar views to you. If these people come out and ask for help, they will have to deal with you talking down to them with your 'strong personality' or listen to the dickhead who posted above telling us that we are all being 'too soft'. Or worse yet, they may have people like you telling them they are doing it to absolve themselves of responsibility for their actions. In short, they can't win. I can assure you what I have said carries much more substance than anything you have written on this thread. You can check the scientific literature, or ask anyone who has experience, in a professional or personal capacity, of dealing with the issues we are discussing. I'll put good money on them agreeing with most of what I have written and regarding your comments as ill-informed. In the interests of more people being able to talk freely about their problems, to have the 'courage' to seek help as you put it, there is no shame in occasionally accepting that perhaps, just maybe, you don't really know what you are talking about. Once people in your position have the 'courage' to accept their own ignorance, I honestly think it will be better for those who would otherwise continue to suffer in silence before their cowardly retreat into oblivion.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 7, 2015 18:28:54 GMT
Dave I openly admitted I don't know all the detail. You are acting like you know everything about this guy and are a trained medical professional. You've even implied that he faked the whole thing.
I'm not putting words into your mouth either. Your words are on this thread for all to see. These points apply beyond the case in question...
'Some depressed people are brave enough to seek help and they have my respect and sympathy'
So those who suffer in silence, the majority of the thousands who claims their lives every year, do not deserve sympathy?
'A man who could destroy his kids isn't deserving of the same respect or sympathy.'
You do realise that would extent to pretty much any man who has ever killed himself? None of them deserve sympathy?
'My view is that suicide is the easy way out, a cowardly way out' AND 'I don't need to read up on depression. I understand it fully.'
No offence mate, but based on most of what you have said on this thread, you DEFINITELY don't understand.
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